I was checking definitions of chimping and Wikipedia claims it is and
acronym: Chimp is an acronym for CHeck IMage Preview.
sounds like horseshit to me. (Does horseshit make a noise? whatever). I
reckon that's a back-formation that someone's come up with. Does wikipedia
provide any kind of
Words with new meaning - already mentioned by Stan and Jeffery:
chimping (Paul, sorry, chimps didn't do what some of us do,
what are these guys doing then if they're not staring at the pictures in an
iPod:
http://www.collativelearning.com/PICS%20FOR%20WEBSITE/stills%204/ape%20touc
They say: The term 'chimping' is attributed to Robert Deutsch, a USA
Today staff photographer, in September 1999 when writing a story for
the SportsShooter email newsletter.[2] Of course, this doesn't say
that he invented the acronym. They also attribute the origin in the
next paragraph to the
wikipedia is wholely made up by public hearsay.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
I was checking definitions of chimping and Wikipedia claims it is and
acronym: Chimp is an acronym for CHeck IMage Preview.
sounds like horseshit to me. (Does horseshit make a
On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
wikipedia is wholely made up by public hearsay.
Not hearsay really but privately authored entries. However, the
monitors ask for verification on anything that is in doubt and errors
are usually corrected sooner or later. I never rely on it
Wikipedia has been compared to the Gold Standard, (Britannica), and been
found to be in most cases just as accurate. Both encyclopedias contain
errors, sometimes huge errors. Bottom line you need multiple sources,
and don't trust any of them unduly.
On 11/5/2010 7:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Bob W p...@web-options.com
Subject: RE: Choosing a Digital Camera
I was checking definitions of chimping and Wikipedia claims it is and
acronym: Chimp is an acronym for CHeck IMage Preview
From: P. J. Alling
Wikipedia has been compared to the Gold Standard, (Britannica), and been
found to be in most cases just as accurate. Both encyclopedias contain
errors, sometimes huge errors. Bottom line you need multiple sources,
and don't trust any of them unduly.
Yeah, but Britannica's
On 6 November 2010 03:36, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia has been compared to the Gold Standard, (Britannica), and been
found to be in most cases just as accurate. Both encyclopedias contain
errors, sometimes huge errors. Bottom line you need multiple sources, and
Wikipedia also led the #1 digital encyclopedia (MS Encarta) to fold. There are
some strange people (like a guy at my workplace) who type complete bulls**t
into Wikipedia just to see how long it will be online before someone discovers
the errors.
And unlike the gold standard, Wikipedia has far
Thu Nov 4 22:24:43 CDT 2010
steve harley wrote:
On 2010-11-04 21:05 , Igor Roshchin wrote:
(pixel existed, but not megapixel)
i remember when these were introduced, around 1990:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT_MegaPixel_Display
I remember NeXT's very well. However, I never knew (or
The little talk went very well with the group today. I was pleased
with the general level of interest and knowledge from most. I
received one question that I thought was interesting, coming from a
senior; How many new words have been added to our daily lexicon
because of digital pgotography?
So,
chimping
photoshopping
On Nov 4, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:
The little talk went very well with the group today. I was pleased
with the general level of interest and knowledge from most. I
received one question that I thought was interesting, coming from a
senior; How many new
Not new, but revived in a new form:
- Chimp.
- Histogram.
- White balance.
Newish:
- Live view.
- PNG/DNG.
- Pixilation.
stan
On Nov 4, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:
The little talk went very well with the group today. I was pleased
Interesting question. I can't think of a single one. There are many new words
that describe digital technology in general, like metadata, pixel, megapixels,
and more, but they're not exclusive to digital photography.
Paul
On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:
The little talk went
We photoshopped analog pics, and those big primates have been chimping in the
jungle for eons:-).
Paul
On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
chimping
photoshopping
On Nov 4, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:
The little talk went very well with the group today. I was
PhotoShop, used as a verb.
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 08:01:45PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
Interesting question. I can't think of a single one. There are many new words
that describe digital technology in general, like metadata, pixel,
megapixels, and more, but they're not exclusive to
Favre
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On 11/4/2010 6:55 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:
So, what new words are we using today because of digital photography?
Walt
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I've made up quite a few trying to AF-C with the K10D. Most are
anatomical in nature.
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
Favre
-- Walt (the other one)
On 11/4/2010 6:55 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:
So, what new words are we using today because of
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:55 -0400, Walter Hamler
hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
The little talk went very well with the group today. I was pleased
with the general level of interest and knowledge from most. I
received one question that I thought was interesting, coming from a
senior; How many
But it's not a new word, just a new usage.
Paul
On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:09 PM, John Francis wrote:
PhotoShop, used as a verb.
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 08:01:45PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
Interesting question. I can't think of a single one. There are many new
words that describe digital
paul stenquist wrote:
But it's not a new word, just a new usage.
I believe the original question was a little poorly worded and what
was really intended was more like What words have been added to your
vocabulary because of digital photography?
In other words, the words need not be new, but
On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
paul stenquist wrote:
But it's not a new word, just a new usage.
I believe the original question was a little poorly worded and what
was really intended was more like What words have been added to your
vocabulary because of digital
Expressions that didn't exist before:
noisy photograph
full frame camera/body
digital film (in reference to flash memory)
storage card
Words with new meaning - already mentioned by Stan and Jeffery:
chimping (Paul, sorry, chimps didn't do what some of us do, hence it is
a new meaning of the
On 2010-11-04 21:05 , Igor Roshchin wrote:
(pixel existed, but not megapixel)
i remember when these were introduced, around 1990:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT_MegaPixel_Display
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I've made up quite a few trying to AF-C with the K10D. Most are
anatomical in nature.
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
Favre
-- Walt (the other one)
On
New terminology might be a more appropriate phrase. This typically
includes current words given new meanings. There are very few totally
new words with a truly short term etymology. Even completely new
physical properties like those that arise in fundamental physics are
usually named with
I was checking definitions of chimping and Wikipedia claims it is
and acronym: Chimp is an acronym for CHeck IMage Preview. It also
mentions the ooh, ooh, ahh, ahhh connection. I will continue to
cite the latter.
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
New
On Oct 14, 2010, at 05:34 , P. J. Alling wrote:
While some people I know in their 90's are quite savvy to the ways
of computers, which let's face it, a digital camera is, just wrapped
in a, (sometimes, no so), camera like skin. Most liked the UNIX
world, that mostly existed up until about
[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Jeffery Smith
Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2010 2:39 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Choosing a Digital Camera
Something with as few frills and choices as possible. And megapixels are
insignificant since I doubt that any of them will be making
A side-draft stromberg two barrel with 1 1/4-inch buttrflies should be
able to
do that.
On 13/10/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
is that some sort of beer? I'll have a pint...
I'd really recommend the Holley four barrel. That stuff'll blow yer head
clean off!
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Bob W wrote:
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs and
switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards at computer
programming who were at a total loss when confronted with a carburetor..
I could never find a carburettor that would compile my programs.
I
2010/10/14 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com:
I think compile my programs sounds like a wonderful euphemism for
something very rude.
hehe... polish my intake manifold doesn't sound so bad either...
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--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Digital Camera
To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 12:26 AM
A side-draft stromberg two barrel with 1 1
[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Jeffery Smith
Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2010 2:39 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Choosing a Digital Camera
Something with as few frills and choices as possible. And megapixels are
insignificant since I doubt that any of them will be making 11x14
It's been done...
On 10/14/2010 6:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs and
switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards at computer
programming who were at a total loss when confronted with a carburetor..
I
On 14/10/10, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed:
2010/10/14 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com:
I think compile my programs sounds like a wonderful euphemism for
something very rude.
On 14/10/10, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed:
hehe... polish my intake manifold doesn't sound so
Also happens with advanced age. :(
Jack
--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Digital Camera
To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 7:05 AM
On 14/10/10, eckinator,
discombobulated, unleashed
On Oct 14, 2010, at 3:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs and
switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards at computer
programming who were at a total loss when confronted with a carburetor..
I could never
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Digital Camera
On 14/10/10, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed:
2010/10/14 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com:
I think compile my programs
2010/10/14 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
hehe... polish my intake manifold doesn't sound so bad either...
You do too much of that and your throttle return spring will go all
floppy.
No. Your throttle will return to idle and you won't be able to go wide open!
Depends. I've blown a lot of
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:49:39PM +0200, eckinator wrote:
2010/10/14 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
hehe... polish my intake manifold doesn't sound so bad either...
You do too much of that and your throttle return spring will go all
floppy.
No. Your throttle will return to idle
Thanks for all the replies, even the lighthearted ones.
FYI, this is a group of seniors in our church, some who have been
observed on field trips still using film cameras. They are a very
active group and many have expressed learning more about digital.
I plan to keep it very simple, primarily
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
I know what I have and need, but my criteria may be different than
some, or even most. So how about some input from you folks. DSLR's and
PS will be addressed.
Decide on a model as tell them Buy this one. Then spend the time
teaching them how to use it.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a
I think the D3 and a 70-200 f2,8 VR lens is a good start combo for them.
Dave
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Decide on a model as tell them Buy this one. Then spend the time
teaching them how to use it.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Walter
On 13 October 2010 10:53, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Decide on a model as tell them Buy this one. Then spend the time
teaching them how to use it.
And make sure you get a commission from the local camera store for any
sales of that camera to senior citizens :-)
I don't envy
On 10/13/2010 10:55 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
I think the D3 and a 70-200 f2,8 VR lens is a good start combo for them.
Dave
You kid, but every word is spelled correctly...
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Decide on a model as tell them Buy this
On 10/13/2010 11:12 AM, Miserere wrote:
On 13 October 2010 10:53, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Decide on a model as tell them Buy this one. Then spend the time
teaching them how to use it.
And make sure you get a commission from the local camera store for any
sales of that
On 13 October 2010 11:22, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/13/2010 11:12 AM, Miserere wrote:
On 13 October 2010 10:53, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Decide on a model as tell them Buy this one. Then spend the time
teaching them how to use it.
And make
Walt,
I don't want to be mean, but this sounds like a 'Fools Errand'.
Your audience could go from no experience/no computer to advanced amateur.
I guess I'd plan on a couple or three short presentations, then coffee
with the intense.
Here's my thoughts on presentations:
1) This is a PS digital
Based on some experience with my father-in-law, I think a major major
consideration is what computer they use and how facile they are with it.
Father-in-law had a bunch of Nikon equipment and so bought Nikon D-50. He was
comfortable with the picture taking part but forever clueless about
I'd have thought, given this list, the politically correct one word
answer would be:
PENTAX
Tom C.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and
And one other thing - how arthritic their hands are. Do they need to go for as
light-weight as possible?
In general, the camera people do a decent job with ergonomics design, but their
target is average 25-35 year olds, they don't necessarily take into account
vision issues, limited dexterity
On Oct 13, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:
He was comfortable with the picture taking part but forever clueless about
histograms, chimping, downloading and viewing/manipulating images on screen,
etc.
This is what's behind my protestations of amateurishness -- well, that and
getting
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:49:54AM -0400, Walter Hamler wrote:
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
I know what I have and need, but my criteria may be different than
some, or even most. So how
While I understand your _
(pick one: loyalty, humor, sarcasm, irony, ..),
for most models and categories, I wouldn't choose Pentax PS.
For the most compact and lightweight ones, I'd go for Panasonic Lumix.
E.g. my wife's DMC-ZR1 is extremely small and light (she carries it in her
purse all
Something with as few frills and choices as possible. And megapixels are
insignificant since I doubt that any of them will be making 11x14 prints.
My mother is a senior citizen (89), and I cannot imagine a camera simple enough
for her to use. Next time you're at the store, take note of any
John Francis wrote:
If somebody has got to the point of being a senior citizen without
knowing enough about cameras to be able to decide what (or if) to buy,
they aren't going to want to spring for a complicated system with
interchangeable lenses
What he said.
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On Oct 13, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
It has to be easy or, like a cell phone, it won't get used at all.
Hey, how about that option. If they've got a phone and can use it, perhaps
learning to use the camera would be of about the same order as learning to use
the phone in the
On Oct 13, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
would be of about the same order as
Shoulda been same order of *difficulty*.
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I love Pentax lenses, I like their DSLR camera bodies, but if I didn't
have a huge investment in Pentex lenses, I'd most likely be looking
elsewhere for a DSLR. I haven't seen a Pentax PS camera that excited
me since the original Altoids tin, Optio. There's really very little
special about
I hate recommending Pentax. It's a quirky system, and most people
aren't as forgiving as I (in my best Darth Vader voice).
BTW, Mr. Alling, I spell every word correctly. They're just the wrong
words. ;-)
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd have thought,
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From: Walter Hamler
Subject: Choosing a Digital Camera
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
I know what I have and need, but my criteria may
[...]
A simple article and starting to look at histograms gives me confidence
that I'll
learn to use them. But chimping?
'chimping' is when you've been subscribed to the PDML for so long you've
taken to sitting in a cage and masturbating into a crisp packet.
Cheers,
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I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group
of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
I know what I have and need, but my criteria may be different than some,
or
even most. So how about some input from you folks. DSLR's and PS will be
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
I know what I have and need, but my criteria may be different than
some, or even
I keep thinking about which model, but there are so many factors. I find that
the modern TINY point and shoot camera are fumbly and hard to hold. You might
ultimately want to go over what all digitals seem to have as features (as in
fully automatic mode), and then tell them to go to WalMart,
On Oct 13, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
I know what I have and need, but my criteria may be different than
some, or even most. So how about some
. They even offered a discount.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com
Subject: Choosing a Digital Camera
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior
I would skew the talk towards using rather than choosing a camera...
I taught a class this past summer to a bunch of 8-10 year olds at a
summer camp... except that the kids are much more comfortable with
technology, it's not that different. If your audience is pretty new
to digital cameras, go
/kennethwaller
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hamlerwal...@gmail.com
Subject: Choosing a Digital Camera
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
I know what I have and need, but my criteria may
Used makes a lot of sense, but some folks will be stubborn about
wasting the money. For most folks, the Kx level DSLR or the Canon
Powershot G11 will be good. (The latter is a PS but a bigger one.)
For the PS crowd, they may want to shoot off of the LCD. We all hate
that, but many folks prefer
On 13/10/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
- consider the needs of people with compromised muscular abilities in
their hands, or limited hearing or vision incapacities
iPod Touch - perfect camera for old hands. Huge LCD to see the image
you're taking, and one big button to press
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
On 13/10/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
- consider the needs of people with compromised muscular abilities in
their hands, or limited hearing or vision incapacities
iPod Touch - perfect camera for old hands. Huge
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs and
switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards at computer
programming who were at a total loss when confronted with a carburetor..
On 10/13/2010 4:24 PM, Cotty wrote:
On 13/10/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi,
On 13/10/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
With all due respect, much as I like the iPod Touch, my mother would
never have been able to use it. Too thin for her arthritic hands to
hold, not enough dexterity to run the interface. She needed a camera
with large, grippable surfaces
To do justice, I've seen certified mechanics who were baffled by a
carburetor too. ;-)
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:32 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs and
switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs and
switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards at computer
programming who were at a total loss when confronted with a carburetor..
I could never find a carburettor that would compile my programs.
B
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I hate recommending Pentax. It's a quirky system, and most people
aren't as forgiving as I (in my best Darth Vader voice).
I recommended Pentax on a number of occasions, and they all traded in
and got Canon or Nikon
On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Bob W wrote:
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs and
switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards at computer
programming who were at a total loss when confronted with a carburetor..
I could never find a carburettor
Yep, and a user interface that baffles people who understand knobs
and switches. Then again, I've seen kids who were wizards at
computer programming who were at a total loss when confronted with a
carburetor..
I could never find a carburettor that would compile my programs.
A
On Oct 13, 2010, at 1:28 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't mention all the technical drivel that gets used as criteria on camera
forums.
They don't need to know about megapixels, colourspace, bit depth and all the
other stuff that we use to confuse.
In general I
This is nice:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/735630-USA/Leica_18393_V_LUX_2_Digital_Camera.html
Put on auto. Hit button. I wonder if that Leica megazoom is any good.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Sam samthegr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 13, 2010, at 1:28 PM, William Robb
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
I need some input. I have been asked to give a short presentation to a
group of senior citizens on choosing and using a digital camera.
There's an article on travel photography at Wikitravel:
Kenneth Waller
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From: Sam samthegr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Digital Camera
On Oct 13, 2010, at 1:28 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't mention all the technical drivel that gets used
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