Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-22 Thread Ed Keeney
Thanks for the replies. The camera itself is in fine working order. It's just that I've recently seen more and more hot pixels (and they're really not that bad, just usually right where I don't need them). I normally shoot JPG and do minimum PP via an older version of Photoshop Elements. Maybe

Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Ed Keeney
I have a K100D that is now 4 1/2 years old with about 14000 images taken. I've noticed more and more hot pixels being recorded on my shots, requiring more and more post processing detail work. At what point do you say it is time to suck it up and get a new camera? I should have started saving

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com wrote: I have a K100D that is now 4 1/2 years old with about 14000 images taken.  I've noticed more and more hot pixels being recorded on my shots, requiring more and more post processing detail work. At what point do you say

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 21, 2011, at 9:52, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com wrote: I have a K100D that is now 4 1/2 years old with about 14000 images taken. I've noticed more and more hot pixels being recorded on my shots, requiring more and more post

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Ah! I didn't know this about Lightroom. Good to know. Thanks, Ed, for asking the question. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Hot Pixels

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
and more hot pixels being recorded on my shots, requiring more and more post processing detail work. At what point do you say it is time to suck it up and get a new camera? I should have started saving a long time ago for this. Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto http

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
. There is no hope in trying to save this one. A K5 would work much better. (You're welcome.) On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com wrote: I have a K100D that is now 4 1/2 years old with about 14000 images taken. I've noticed more and more hot pixels being

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2011-06-21 15:24, Paul Stenquist wrote: As a footnote to all this, 14,000 images isn't excessive. You should be able to go well beyond that. Most of my Pentax DSLRs went well beyond 20,000, and all were still in excellent condition. For sure. My K10 has about 22,000 on it right now, and

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 21, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: As a footnote to all this, 14,000 images isn't excessive. You should be able to go well beyond that. Most of my Pentax DSLRs went well beyond 20,000, and all were still in excellent condition. My K100Dsuper has something on the order of

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread David Parsons
would work much better. (You're welcome.) On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com wrote: I have a K100D that is now 4 1/2 years old with about 14000 images taken.  I've noticed more and more hot pixels being recorded on my shots, requiring more and more post

Re: Hot Pixels - Time for new camera?

2011-06-21 Thread Boris Liberman
If you were using your K100D actively throughout all these 4 1/2 years, then it might be a good idea to replace it anyway... On 6/21/2011 17:07, Ed Keeney wrote: I have a K100D that is now 4 1/2 years old with about 14000 images taken. I've noticed more and more hot pixels being recorded

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-31 Thread Adam Maas
That's true, but you can overdo it, and Pentax did with the K10D when the price nosedived, it earned them K10D sales at the cost of completely destroying K100D Super sales. The K10D was already priced at a nice discount over the less-featured D80 (about $100) at launch, and maintaining and/or

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Didn't you know, Pentax makes marketing decisions using a dartboard? Adam Maas wrote: That's true, but you can overdo it, and Pentax did with the K10D when the price nosedived, it earned them K10D sales at the cost of completely destroying K100D Super sales. The K10D was already priced at a

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Riceguy is the anti Kennyboy, (one hates Pentax beyond all reason, the other loves Nikon more than his wife), with the same witless result. I keep wondering if they would annihilate each other in a coruscating blaze of released bile if placed in close contact... Derby Chang wrote: Jaume

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-30 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Adam, When you are Nikon or Canon you can price reasonably because most users will buy your products over weaker brands if the price is similar. When you are the weaker brand, there has to be something more than a comparably featured body to entice. You either need a demonstrably better

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a big part of it is a change in the mindset of the photographically aware, if you'll allow me a neologism. Doug, I think that the age of film and the post-film era are separated by rather large and definitely

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Hi Boris ! Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you. Sure...but I don't think that we disagree that much. Jaume Lahuerta wrote: People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully agree...I would say resigned instead of happy. I am happy. I am still wishing for more,

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
with Pentax !! Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: jueves, 29 de mayo, 2008 6:54:51 Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) From: Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] People already

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Derby Chang
Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here. Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Adam Maas
But the Pentax dropped significantly much earlier in its life. Look at the D80, which was launched concurrently with the K10D and has seen significant price drops, but still sells for about $200 more than the K10D did last fall. I understand price drops, they make sense. But Pentax overdid it

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Oh, sure, Derby, People who goes really in deep on equipment technology rarely is able to maintain the same level when it comes to actual pictures. Actually, what I think is that there are 2 different 'hobbies': - Photography: taking, showing, looking at pictures, talk and comment them. - Photo

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Adam Maas
Note the buffer issue can be hit with a few closely spaced shots, not just in continuous. This is due to it only holding 4 shots (and the fairly slow write speeds by todays standards, an issue with all SD-based cameras, the new UDMA CF cards are much faster). Given those costs (God, Aussie prices

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) Pentax is in deep doo doo now. There's no real evidence to support that. Time will tell, but it's certainly not a given now. They're in better shape than they were

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Derby Chang Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) As much as I like to fondle gear myself, I find those to bleat on about equipment shortcomings tend to be those who have the least to say photographically. There is a tendency

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) But the Pentax dropped significantly much earlier in its life. Look at the D80, which was launched concurrently with the K10D and has seen significant price drops, but still sells for about

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott and Dave show instead. (for when you get back from GFM): MARK!!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:11 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) But the Pentax dropped significantly much earlier in its life. Look at the D80, which was launched concurrently

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) No more bloody fights They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott and Dave show instead. Oh, man. You guys got the short

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread pnstenquist
-- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:11 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) But the Pentax dropped

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Well, my sentence wasn't too fortunate now that I read it again. After all, probably the easier way to be happy is to have little needs, so people has learned to just use their tools and don't be tortured by further features (that are not really key for what they

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) Pentax Forum is even worse, and the Pentax forum on photo.net is clueless. I've had a guy respnd to one

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) No more bloody fights They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott and Dave

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Jaume: Sorry for the misread on your post--I drink sometimes, you know ;-). Seriously though, please accept my apologies. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Scott Loveless
Christine Aguila wrote: I drink sometimes, you know ;-). Well, you'll fit right in around here. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott and Dave show instead. Oh, man. You guys got the short end of the stick on that deal. We know

RE: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Bob W
They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott and Dave show instead. Oh, man. You guys got the short end of the stick on that deal. Scott, I think you're mixing your short straws with your shit-ended sticks. Health Safety will be after you. Bob

RE: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Bob W
Equipment news is tomorrow's recycling. Photographic insight is timeless Can someone point that out to Mark! please? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
(WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) Jaume: Sorry for the misread on your post--I drink sometimes, you know ;-). Seriously though, please accept my apologies. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Brian Walters
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:47:00 -0400, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Given those costs (God, Aussie prices are bad), Tell me about it With the Aussie dollar now approaching parity with the US dollar, a straight conversion would make the K20D with kit lens about $A1380. Even

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread David Savage
2008/5/29 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Derby Chang Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) As much as I like to fondle gear myself, I find those to bleat on about equipment shortcomings tend to be those who have the least to say

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread David Savage
Whoever's quoting $2000 for the K20D kit is a crook. I paid considerably less for my K20D body at release. In any case, I'd say sink most of your camera budget into new glass. Bodies come go. Cheers, Dave 2008/5/30 Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:47:00 -0400, Adam

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread David Savage
2008/5/30 David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) No more bloody fights They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels Apparently a firmware problem. We'll see. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=28085894 - I hope it is indeed firmware. (Pentax corporate HQ is not always honest, and Pentax reps

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) Bodies come go. You will find as you get older that this concept takes on a whole new meaning... William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-29 Thread pnstenquist
Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels Apparently a firmware problem. We'll see. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=28085894 - I hope it is indeed firmware. (Pentax corporate HQ is not always honest, and Pentax reps

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-29 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Dave On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:39:12 +0800, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Whoever's quoting $2000 for the K20D kit is a crook. I paid considerably less for my K20D body at release. I'm quoting the recommended retail price (as per review in the latest issue of 'Australian Camera). I'm

Re: K20D hot pixels issue is due to 2sec MLU

2008-05-28 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
de mayo, 2008 0:46:40 Asunto: Re: K20D hot pixels issue is due to 2sec MLU Funny, i used my istD for 2 1/2 years and never noticed, or looked for stuck or dead pixels. I lent it to Brother Aaron one day for a Blue Jay baseball game, and he noticed 6 of them. He had to point them out to me, i could

K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-28 Thread William Robb
Apparently a firmware problem. We'll see. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=28085894 William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-28 Thread Joseph Tainter
Apparently a firmware problem. We'll see. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=28085894 William Robb - I hope it is indeed firmware. (Pentax corporate HQ is not always honest, and Pentax reps are not always knowledgeable.) I shot some RAW photos the other day with

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-28 Thread pnstenquist
I agree. I go to dpreview myself from time to time. I realize it has some value. But so many things get blown out of proportion that the annoyance factor is huge. The initial posts about the hot pixel/mirror lockup link seem to suggest that the hot pixel/mirror lockup problem only happens when

List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here. Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since the digital era

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread John Francis
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here. Today I was just thinking

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
day - Mensaje original De: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13 Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, Paul, this link

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. News such as this shows up much earlier there than

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Adam Maas
mayo, 2008 20:12:13 Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. News such as this shows

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread pnstenquist
] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13 Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking occasionally

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) No more bloody fights They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott and Dave show instead. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) Pentax Forum is even worse, and the Pentax forum on photo.net is clueless. I've had a guy respnd to one of my postings telling me that monitor calibration is unimportant with BW

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Fernando
in their yearly eloquent day - Mensaje original De: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13 Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Brian Walters
OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute... I'm interested in your statement cheap ones aren't as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D. What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D? I'm considering my

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread pnstenquist
Build quality and viewfinder. That's a lot. Paul -- Original message -- From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute... I'm interested in your statement cheap ones aren't as bad in comparison as

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Adam Maas
The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to 4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and not the most capable).

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread pnstenquist
I agree in regard to the K200D, but I wouldn't call the K10D a mistake. It represented great value for the money, and that helped put Pentax on the consideration list for many buyers. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The utterly

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread George Sinos
: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13 Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. News

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: George Sinos Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels) Many years ago, when I first joined the list, it was the Pentax Discussion Mailing List that sometimes strayed into a discussion of photography. I'm much happier that it now seems like

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Adam Maas
That it did, but I can't help but think Pentax would have done better with it if it had remained near its initial pricepoint rather than descending into K100D territory. By the end of its run it was only about $50 off a K100D kit in price, which is a bit non-sensical. -Adam On Wed, May 28, 2008

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread pnstenquist
I think that's the industry standard for end of life. the Nikon D200 dropped a level at the end of its tenure as well. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] That it did, but I can't help but think Pentax would have done better with it if

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread pnstenquist
-- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember those days. Pentax is in deep doo doo now. There's no real evidence to support that. Time will tell, but it's certainly not a given now. They're in better shape than they were in the

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Brian Walters
OK, Thanks. I'll have to take another look at the specs although the buffer isn't a major limitation to me. I expect to be buying towards the end of the life cycle of the current models so (hopefully) the price factor might not be so significant by then. At the moment the Australian price for a

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you. Jaume Lahuerta wrote: People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully agree...I would say resigned instead of happy. I am happy. I am still wishing for more, but I am pretty happy. I cannot talk for others though. The

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Christine Aguila
From: Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully agree...I would say resigned instead of happy. Jaume: No doubt you know it's a little dangerous to speak for other people. For the record, I'm extremely happy (not resigned) with my

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-28 Thread Doug Franklin
Boris Liberman wrote: Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you. I think a big part of it is a change in the mindset of the photographically aware, if you'll allow me a neologism. In the age of film, the primary differences in captured quality occurred due to the film and glass chosen,

K20D hot pixels issue is due to 2sec MLU

2008-05-27 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
It seems that there is people with lots of free time and that has been able to isolate the K20D hot pixel issue that has been worrying some reviewers. According to this thread, the phenomena is UNIVERSAL (it happens in all K20Ds) and it appears when the mirror locks up for 2 seconds before

Re: K20D hot pixels issue is due to 2sec MLU

2008-05-27 Thread David J Brooks
Funny, i used my istD for 2 1/2 years and never noticed, or looked for stuck or dead pixels. I lent it to Brother Aaron one day for a Blue Jay baseball game, and he noticed 6 of them. He had to point them out to me, i could not see them. One click of the clone tool fixed all of that.:-) Dave

Re: K20D hot pixels issue is due to 2sec MLU

2008-05-27 Thread Bruce Walker
David J Brooks wrote: Funny, i used my istD for 2 1/2 years and never noticed, or looked for stuck or dead pixels. I lent it to Brother Aaron one day for a Blue Jay baseball game, and he noticed 6 of them. He should have been looking for dead or stuck ball-players. *ducks* ;-) -bmw --

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-15 Thread AlunFoto
IIRC, Pentax has been accused of the same. It has been maintained somewhere that Pentax actually writes the chosen WB into the raw file data in addition to giving info on the temperature/tint values applied. However I cannot recall the source of this information, so take it as hearsay unless

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-13 Thread mike wilson
From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/12 Mon PM 07:21:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels Zombie pixels So they are only brain dead? Do they attack live pixels? On 5/11/08, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Funny, Here's what bugs me about this entire discussion. It's been suspected that Nikon, Canon, Sony and Olympus all so some kind of pre-processing to their RAW files. So in other words RAW for them isn't really raw. It's just possible that all CMOS chips exhibit this kind of behavior, in

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Personally, I put it to the particle vs wave nature of light. Sometimes an extra photon or two falls into a sensor's bucket... sometimes none. It's all just the quantum mechanics effects. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, Here's

Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-12 Thread Gonz
Zombie pixels On 5/11/08, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem that DPReview is having is that they have recieved a couple of cameras which have mobile dead pixels. Interesting. So they are, in fact, not dead. There is some

Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-12 Thread Ken Waller
- Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: K20D Hot Pixels From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem that DPReview is having is that they have recieved a couple of cameras which have mobile dead pixels. Interesting. So they are, in fact

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread William Robb
I ran the Starzen test on my K20. I used 1/4 second so as to not invoke the you can't turn it off noise reduction, and saved the file as a best quality JPEG rather than as a RAW file to avoid ACR. I had to drop the threshold for finding hot pixels to 6 before finding any. This is, on the surface

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread Steve Larson
William Robb wrote: mobile dead pixels. sounds like horror movie -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread George Sinos
to get the sensor hot. It makes me wonder if they are testing with noise reduction on or off. Probably both, they do seem to be thorough. I agree with Bills comment on problem with mobile hot pixels, but I always thought that was common in long exposures. If not, why would you need to do a dark

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: George Sinos Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels I agree with Bills comment on problem with mobile hot pixels, but I always thought that was common in long exposures. If not, why would you need to do a dark exposure subtraction after every long exposure

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread George Sinos
) See you later, gs On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: George Sinos Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels I agree with Bills comment on problem with mobile hot pixels, but I always thought that was common in long exposures

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: George Sinos Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels I think we're in agreement. In the past I've mainly heard of Dead and Stuck pixels. Dead referred to black and Stuck referred to always bright. The pixel mapping will work just fine for the dead and the stuck

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread pnstenquist
Hot pixels, cold pixels, I dunno. My K20 takes great pictures, and I'm too busy shooting to test. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] I ran the Starzen test on my K20. I used 1/4 second so as to not invoke the you can't turn it off

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread Jack Davis
I'm the one who will shamelessly admit to being anxious to read dp's eventual D20 review and with pecial interest re their hot pixel comments. Jack --- On Sun, 5/11/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread Joseph Tainter
I'm the one who will shamelessly admit to being anxious to read dp's eventual D20 review and with pecial interest re their hot pixel comments. Jack - Oh, I suspect that this virtually guarantees that Phil Askey will give the K20D a qualified rating, as he did with the K10D over another

Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread mike wilson
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem that DPReview is having is that they have recieved a couple of cameras which have mobile dead pixels. Interesting. So they are, in fact, not dead. There is some other reason for the misbehaviour. I do wonder what it could be.

RE: Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread Bob W
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem that DPReview is having is that they have recieved a couple of cameras which have mobile dead pixels. Interesting. So they are, in fact, not dead. There is some other reason for the misbehaviour. I do wonder what it could be.

Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels The problem that DPReview is having is that they have recieved a couple of cameras which have mobile dead pixels. Interesting. So they are, in fact, not dead. There is some other reason

Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-11 Thread Jack Davis
Drunk? Jack --- On Sun, 5/11/08, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: K20D Hot Pixels To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, May 11, 2008, 2:30 PM - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Re

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-10 Thread John Whittingham
On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:49:19 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote Dysthymic Prognosticators? I'll have to look that on up it's 7.30am in UK. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: K20D Hot Pixels Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay in testing the K20D due to a hot pixel problem. A problem I don't recall reading about on PDML. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forums=1036message=27852469

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 10, 2008, at 3:05 PM, William Robb wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forums=1036message=27852469 Zero dead, Zero hot using ACR to convert the RAW files, then saved as tiffs and tested using the dead/hot pixel test that Starzen technologies wrote. Maybe I'm

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels On May 10, 2008, at 3:05 PM, William Robb wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forums=1036message=27852469 Zero dead, Zero hot using ACR to convert the RAW files, then saved as tiffs

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-10 Thread Tim Øsleby
2008/5/11 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels On May 10, 2008, at 3:05 PM, William Robb wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forums=1036message=27852469 Zero dead, Zero hot using ACR to convert

Re: K20D Hot Pixels

2008-05-10 Thread Jack Davis
Guess it's just become a way of life over there. They must be a bunch of very hot pixies. Jack Jack --- On Sat, 5/10/08, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, May

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