On Monday 17 February 2003 12:30, Pål Jensen wrote:
surprises revealed the day the show start (when is that?).
2 March - 5 March 2003
--
Frits Wüthrich
Pentaxianado
William wrote:
I would welcome a 6x7 that was shaped more like the 645.
Very unlikely as the 645 shape is defined by the weird film travel. A 67, at least
without interchangeable backs, will have shape dictated by the film chamber something
that mean a camera close to the shape of the current
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: New 67 (WAS: Re: PMA News (WAS: Re: Great LX news!))
William wrote:
I would welcome a 6x7 that was shaped more like the 645.
Very unlikely as the 645 shape is defined by the weird film travel. A
67, at least without
William wrote:
Think Bronica GS-1 with a revolving back.
Or a Mamiya RB with good lenses and mechanical reliability.
But they are not compact. The fact that the new 67 is more compact than the current
one is the only feature leaked out so far.
Pål
I'm sorry but I have a hard time imagining entirely mythical devices, warp
drive is much easier.
At 03:00 PM 2/17/2003 -0600, William Robb wrote:
snip
Or a Mamiya RB with good lenses and mechanical reliability.
William Robb
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: New 67 (WAS: Re: PMA News (WAS: Re: Great LX news!))
But they are not compact. The fact that the new 67 is more compact than
the current one is the only feature leaked out so far.
That will be some feat. There isn't a lot
Something like that would be a beast, like a GS-1.
And, they'd lose their flattest-film-plane advantage
that helps keep the 67 on top.
Personally, I'd like to see a 67 with a coupled rangefinder
on top, electronically linked to a focus sensor.
Lighter and more versatile.
Imagine, all the
-Original Message-
From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
William wrote:
Think Bronica GS-1 with a revolving back.
Or a Mamiya RB with good lenses and mechanical reliability.
But they are not compact. The fact that the new 67 is more
compact than the current one is the
67 (WAS: Re: PMA News (WAS: Re: Great LX
news!))
I'm sorry but I have a hard time imagining entirely
mythical devices, warp
drive is much easier.
At 03:00 PM 2/17/2003 -0600, William Robb wrote:
snip
Or a Mamiya RB with good lenses and mechanical reliability.
William Robb
. God, she was pissed!
She really liked the Pentax too.
tv
-Original Message-
From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New 67 (WAS: Re: PMA News (WAS: Re: Great LX
news!))
I'm sorry but I have
Think Bronica GS-1 with a revolving back.
Or a Mamiya RB with good lenses and mechanical reliability.
I don't see either of those as being any smaller than the current 6x7.
--Mike
Anyway, she got to talking about why she was renting the Pentax. Seems
her less than a year old mamiya 645 (the beginner model, I think), was
in the shop for the third time. God, she was pissed!
Tom,
A maker of carriage-trade view cameras, who shall go unnamed, once told me
that his principal
Marnie,
The PMA in and of itself, will have no effect on pricing. What will
affect it is a major Pentax fumble. If Pentax doesn't show a decent
DSLR and some other goodies at PMA, then I think you will see a fire
sale of equipment from all those who will jump ship and move to Canon
or Nikon. I
What site should we hit for this info?
TIA,
Collin
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Dayton
Subject: Re: ChDImage about Pentax and PMA
William,
The one area that no one is addressing very well for the masses is the
issue of storage. Those same people who are not so computer savvy
still need a way to move the files off the card
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remember how they did with video camcorders? Another
one of those new, big happening items. How many
camera companies, that paid an OEM to put their name
on a video recorder, are still in that business?
Pentax users are still using original issue photons,
I'm
Just FYI, we're going to start seeing the embargo dates for PMA releases
from various companies and for various products come up this week and next,
and on towards PMA. Most (not all) stuff will be announced in advance of the
show. Here's one that effects Pentax in that this camera competes
. helmikuuta 2003 3:00
Aihe: Re: Digital Market Share was (Re: ChDImage about Pentax and PMA)
Pentax AF performance would always be 2nd
class with curret technology.
regards,
Alan Chan
In a message dated 2/10/2003 12:05:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As soon as my mother can figure out how to do it, it will be ready for prime
time. She got her first computer in the early '90s and finally got on the
internet a couple of years ago. She now has a nice
Well, tell us when she does! That's obviously the time for us all to jump in
(if we haven't already).
Welcome back Marnie. I'm not sure you would want to wait _that_ long. My Mom
doesn't just jump on technology bandwagons, you know. Although in fairness,
she's not allergic, either.
She used
From Pål Jensen
But this not a correct interpretation. Canon being No.1 in film cameras is
only No. 4 in digital (they may have reached 3rd place in some markets
recently). This cannot be satisfactory for the company. Nikon isn't even in
the ballpark.
I think you are not right with the market
Think we should start clicking on Pentax. Perhaps Pentax would be number one
next month. :)
regards,
Alan Chan
I think you are not right with the market share of Canon and Nikon in the
digital camera market.
If you look at (it will be a indication of market share)
Hi Mike,
I guess I'm not arguing the definition of the word as much as I'm
arguing about the perceived utility of a so-called 'obsolete' piece of
equipment. Like something obsolete was a bad thing. It isn't.
Something being obsolete does not mean it's usefulness is somehow been
compromised and
Rüdiger wrote:
I think you are not right with the market share of Canon and Nikon in the
digital camera market.
I don't know what this statistics is based on and its only the five last days. Last
time I saw statistics of digital camera sales, Sony, Sanyo (I believe) and Olympus
where ahead
Many Canon users are perceiving it as a lack of commitment from
their beloved manufacturer (sounds familiar?). They had no other
option but to buy an expensive, underspecified camera compared to
their current film belonging, and now they fear the uncertainty of
future drivers while some
Rüdiger Neumann wrote:
[...]
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stats.asp
on Top brands of the last five days you will see that Canon has by far
the most interest, Nikon is second together with Oly, Fuji and Sony, the
third group is Minolta and Kodak. Than in the fourth group is Casio,
From Pål
I don't know what this statistics is based on and its only the five last
days. Last time I saw statistics of digital camera sales, Sony, Sanyo (I
believe) and Olympus where ahead of the pack and just before christmas it
was reported that Canon had reached No. 3 in the US.
Hi Pål,
you
Butch wrote:
I think one point is being missed here. Different things have different
points of obsolescence, and something being obsolete does not necessarily
mean that it is unusable or impractical to use. I shoot with a K-1000 and K
M series lenses. All are out of production and obsolete
Isnt it odd that Sigma, primarily a third rate ( oops
I mean third party )lens company, comes out with a digital SLR
before Pentax and Minolta? Wouldnt be even more odd
if Fuji (who hasnt made SLRs in 15 yrs) or Sony ( NEVER
made SLRs) beats Pentax to market with a DSLR???
JCO
On 2/08/03 6:09 PM, Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder when the bubble of digital camera industry will blow after the .com
industry.
Yes, it feels like so, doesn't it ? :-). It's too hot to touch.
However, in the case of the digital camera, the whole tide, i.e., printing,
storage
-Original Message-
From: Rick Diaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Digital Market Share was (Re: ChDImage about Pentax and
PMA)
--- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isnt it odd that Sigma, primarily
To: Pentax Discuss
Subject: Re: ChDImage about Pentax and PMA
On 2/08/03 6:09 PM, Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder when the bubble of digital camera industry will blow
after the .com
industry.
Yes, it feels like so, doesn't it ? :-). It's too hot to touch.
However, in the case
Careful here; dpreview stats show interest in cameras on their site, and that is more
of an enthusisasts site that may not be representitve of the general digital camera
buying population. This is the same sort of thing that goes on on this list: great
interest in DSLRs while the general
Remember how they did with video camcorders? Another one of those new, big happening
items. How many camera companies, that paid an OEM to put their name on a video
recorder, are still in that business?
Pentax users are still using original issue photons, I'm sure they can remember the
'80s.
On 2/09/03 8:51 AM, Rick Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it to market a DSLR, which currently holds no
standard like the true and tried 35mm sibling? And
what is the print standard available now to support a
DSLR market? Which memory card standards are
prevalent?
[snipped to shorten]
-Original Message-
From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Isnt it odd that Sigma, primarily a third rate ( oops
I mean third party )lens company, comes out with a digital SLR
before Pentax and Minolta? Wouldnt be even more odd
if Fuji (who hasnt made SLRs in 15 yrs) or
On Sunday, Feb 9, 2003, at 10:46 Europe/Warsaw, Alan Chan wrote:
Think we should start clicking on Pentax. Perhaps Pentax would be
number one next month. :)
Yes, that's an idea :-) I go there right now ;-) The more percent
Pentax will have, people who sees it will think this mark has a lot
Ken,
The funny thing to me is, that we all seem to be forgetting the lab.
The new machines, Frontiers, D-Labs and such are more than capable of
dealing with the digital world. To penetrate the masses, people will
start using those labs. They are not all going to sit down to their
computer and
I guess I'm not arguing the definition of the word as much as I'm
arguing about the perceived utility of a so-called 'obsolete' piece of
equipment. Like something obsolete was a bad thing. It isn't.
Something being obsolete does not mean it's usefulness is somehow been
compromised and it's no
Not this user. I have no uncertainty. Sure, it was expensive, but that's
the cost of new technology. I have full confidence that my hardware will
be supported long into the future, just as I was able to have a 15 year
old LX serviced a while back. Just because a thing is not manufactured
On 2/09/03 6:22 PM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The funny thing to me is, that we all seem to be forgetting the lab.
Yes, that's true. In my case, if I took my digicam to a trip and took a
bunch of shots, there is no way I print them myself. But in most cases,
when I take out my
On 2/09/03 6:34 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People want to take pictures, and they want
to have prints.
This is true for the vast majority of people. We are a handful of
enthusiasts amoung millions of Joe Sixpack types, and as a consequence, I
take with a grain of salt (or
you are right, this is not a sales statistics but it shows the interest in
certain brands from all over the world and not only from US. I looked at
this statistics a month ago and the distribution was the same and the
number
of samples of 10 is quite broad for the statistic.
However, there
Isnt it odd that Sigma, primarily a third rate ( oops
I mean third party )lens company, comes out with a digital SLR
before Pentax and Minolta? Wouldnt be even more odd
if Fuji (who hasnt made SLRs in 15 yrs) or Sony ( NEVER
made SLRs) beats Pentax to market with a DSLR???
While Sony have made
On 2/09/03 7:17 PM, KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is
also another thing called print club frenzy going on in that country (I do
not quite understand what it really is and why it is becoming so popular. I
will find out) but it involves self printing for fun (but very serious
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 01:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fuji does make and market DSLRs. I think the current one is the second
generation. Of course I don't know much about it as it takes N***n
lenses.
Most of the 35mm DSLRs available today are based on a Canon (Canon,
Kodak) or
That's one reason I haven't bought any inkjet printer even though I have a
film scanner. Now I have found a lab which can do 4x6 digital prints at
CAD69 only, and the quality is GOOD. No more colour balance nightmare from
regular machine prints. And what's better? I just do all the tweak I want
So for any other manufacturer like Pentax, it could be more of an uphill
battle, I don't know how well the Sigma is doing but I read that the Contax
N Digital was plagued with problems and generally a bad product. I think a
Pentax DSLR will need to be marketed aggressively unless there are
- Original Message -
From: KT Takeshita
Subject: Re: ChDImage about Pentax and PMA
Well, I must say.
I really can't argue with Ken's logic. I do hope he is not correct, at least
until I want to retire.
I think there are a few factors at play here.
One is the relative ease with which
- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan
Subject: Re: ChDImage about Pentax and PMA
That's one reason I haven't bought any inkjet printer even though I have a
film scanner. Now I have found a lab which can do 4x6 digital prints at
CAD69 only, and the quality is GOOD. No more colour
Sweet!!!
Add in a courier to drop off the prints and you have it made in the shade.
How did you synchronize your colour output to your lab's output?
I didn't actually. :-) I use the sRGB in Photoshop and it's basically the
same as the pics I post to the web. From what I have read from a book,
Add in a courier to drop off the prints and you have it made in the shade.
They charge extra for delivery actually (a few bucks). :) But I live nearby
and I don't usually print large quantity so I just picked them up.
regards,
Alan Chan
On 2/09/03 9:10 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think (I hope) most won't.
Hi William,
I won't :-). For now at least.
Ken
- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan
Subject: Re: ChDImage about Pentax and PMA
Sweet!!!
Add in a courier to drop off the prints and you have it made in the
shade.
How did you synchronize your colour output to your lab's output?
I didn't actually. :-) I use the sRGB in Photoshop
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I didn't actually. :-) I use the sRGB in Photoshop and it's basically the
same as the pics I post to the web. From what I have read from a book, sRGB
is the safest setting if I don't know what the output setting is. When I
picked up the prints,
How did you synchronize your colour output to your lab's output?
I didn't actually. :-) I use the sRGB in Photoshop and it's basically the
same as the pics I post to the web
Actually that is not a bad idea since most machines will do ok with sRGB.
You might try working in Adobe 98 in Photoshop
On 2/08/03 9:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS, ZSLR digital cameras may be lifestyle items, but interchangeable lens
DSLRs aren't and won't be. Lumping PS digitals and DSLRs together is foolish.
It's like thinking the film camera buying of professional photographers and
Ken wrote:
I tend to agree with this. While the current digital camera market has a
look of C/N runaway success, the whole market has been essentially
reshuffled and everybody will be competing in the level field. ,
But this not a correct interpretation. Canon being No.1 in film cameras
obsolete so quickly.
The D60 isn't exactly obsolete. It's going to be replaced, probably at
PMA, by two separate cameras, and Canon simply underestimated demand for it
and sold out of the production run far sooner than they thought they would.
Since the production lines were already devoted
going to be replaced, probably at
PMA, by two separate cameras, and Canon simply underestimated demand for it
and sold out of the production run far sooner than they thought they would.
Since the production lines were already devoted to the new cameras, another
run of the D60 was not feasible
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS, ZSLR digital cameras may be lifestyle items, but
interchangeable lens DSLRs aren't and won't be. Lumping PS digitals
and DSLRs together is foolish. It's like thinking the film camera
buying of professional photographers and scoccer moms are the
Keith wrote:
I'm continually amazed at people's use ~ and perception ~ of the word obsolete.
It seems they think of anything called 'obsolete' as just next to worthless.
Last week, before the introduction of the new super-thing, what they
had or hankered for was top of the line, and WELL
Pål wrote:
PJ What gave you that idea? Why shouldn't Pentax be able to match
PJ their prices? The have always been able to match anybodies prices.
Well, camera price is still driven by the sensor price. Last time I
checked Canon was manufacturing their own sensor, that is they have
a
Not snipped because it needs reading again:
I'm continually amazed at people's use ~ and perception ~ of the word
obsolete.
It seems they think of anything called 'obsolete' as just next to worthless.
Last week, before the introduction of the new super-thing, what they
had or hankered for was
On 2/08/03 3:46 PM, Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh well, I hope I won't be forced to resign within the consumer
condition and have to stare at the reconstructed piece of the reality
in the viewfinder. If I need mind blowing simulations with subject
identification based on the
On 2/08/03 3:46 PM, Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True, but digital does not necessarily level the field. There's a
limit for miniaturization. A DSLR will always have more resources
than a ps, and the difference in ergonomics is what makes apart a
tool from a toy. Modular SLR systems
Don't forget Kodak and Fuji. Kodak has been selling DSLRs for years. Fuji has been
doing quite well with the S1 and S2, in particular. DSLRs have been, and I personally
think will continue to be pro and serious amateur cameras, where what brand of lens
you can mount is very important.
BR
Pål
At 05:21 PM 08/02/2003 -0500, you wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS, ZSLR digital cameras may be lifestyle items, but
interchangeable lens DSLRs aren't and won't be. Lumping PS digitals
and DSLRs together is foolish. It's like thinking the film camera
buying of
That, my friends is not obsolescence. It's attitude and directed mindset...
I love my 'obsolete' cameras!
I think you love affair the obsolete products would have been somewhat
different if, say, the lens you bought today could have been had with 40%
higher resolution at half the price in
They buy 5mp digicams. I haven't spoken to one yet that was interested in changing
lenses. It isn't even all that common for them to desire true photo quality prints,
i.e. have photo inkjets and use real photo paper, or have them printed to photo paper
by a service. It's mostly on line albums
There are probably more women that adjust the valves in their car engines than change
lenses on their cameras. From what I've seen you aren't the typical soccor mom.
BR
wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep, got to agree with g. on this one, 'cos this soccer mom's got her eye
on a DSLR
There are some things important to consider before we
start opinionating the digital SLR market..
Their comment: Despite the rumors, we fear that
Pentax, Contax and
others distanced from Canon and Nikon and lack the
means to
position themselves on the digital SLR market.
Even if an
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Digital camera obsolescence is REAL obsolescence. It shows not only in the
dropping prices of new items, but in the failure of used items to hold
value, and in the increasing REAL capability of the equipment.
If anyone doubts this, compare the number of
Except that the REAL capability of the original piece has not
deteriorated, has it?
So the obsolescence is in the mind, not the camera. Not so?
The fact that those cameras in direct line have increased their
capabilities is really beside the point.
If you WANT those new features, great. Have
I think one point is being missed here. Different things have different
points of obsolescence, and something being obsolete does not necessarily
mean that it is unusable or impractical to use. I shoot with a K-1000 and K
M series lenses. All are out of production and obsolete but are still
very
Lasse Karlsson wrote:
John M. wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 09:41:09 -0500, you wrote:
If I wanted to have an aggravating, pointless discussion, I would
go
talk to my wife.
BR
I refrained from replying to Bruce to ask him if I could supply the name
of a good divorce lawyer because
I
Lasse,
This is why I use my Nikon stuff for anything important. You are welcome to try out what ever you would like with my Pentax stuff.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John M. wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 09:41:09 -0500, you wrote:
If I wanted to have an aggravating, pointless
More enjoyable than my wife, and less obnoxious than 98% of the posts
here lately.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's all right Lasse, I thought it was pretty funny
Cheers
Shaun
, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Shit, Crap Politics, Was:Re: Vs: car shit, not politics, not
Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap that is allowed without
rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
Hello Doug,
I'm not inconsistent. My position has been and will continue to be that
politics has
Would you guys ~please~ take your non-Pentax, non-photography
arguments someplace else... Thanks.
Fred
Rob wrote:
Its like many things in life, its all about building a relationship with
a supplier. You can entice them with promises of what you offer, you
can demonstrate that you are up to the job by showing published work or
you can be famout enough that they approach you and try to butter
Doug wrote:
Read my post again. It's a complaint that that kind of incendiary trolling has no
place on the PDML. If I want a reminder that many people don't like America or
Americans, I have plenty other places to find it.
I do agree that this has nothing to do on this list. However, I do
If I wanted to have an aggravating, pointless discussion, I would go
talk to my wife.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you guys ~please~ take your non-Pentax, non-photography
arguments someplace else... Thanks.
Fred
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Shit, Crap Politics, Was:Re: Vs: car shit, not politics, not
Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap that is allowed without
rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
I'd like to thank you, Bill, for your
People used to wonder if Pentax monitored this list or not. Maybe the right question
should be - why should they?
Pat Temmerman
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Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Shit, Crap Politics, Was:Re: Vs: car shit, not politics, not
Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap that is allowed without
rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
People used to wonder if Pentax monitored this list
At 10:28 AM +01002/2/03, Arnold Stark wrote, or at least typed:
Hello Doug,
I'm not inconsistent. My position has been and will continue to be that politics has
no place here on the PDML.
Would you say the same if we had PDML members in Bagdad?
I do not keep up with where members live. If
On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 09:41:09 -0500, you wrote:
If I wanted to have an aggravating, pointless discussion, I would go
talk to my wife.
BR
Geez, BR, you need to get a Pentax wife. Sweet, amenable, easy to get
along with - and not too expensive. Not as fast as other brands,
maybe, but darn easy to
John M. wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 09:41:09 -0500, you wrote:
If I wanted to have an aggravating, pointless discussion, I would
go
talk to my wife.
BR
Geez, BR, you need to get a Pentax wife. Sweet, amenable, easy to
get
along with - and not too expensive. Not as fast as other brands,
]
Sent: February 2, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: OT Pentax wife (Was: Shit, Crap Politics, Was:Re: Vs: car shit,
not politics, not Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap that is
allowed without rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
Yeah, I agree with you, but she would also most likely be very
Get you're facts straight. But don't do it here. I could point out ever
incorrect fact but I wouldn't have any fun. I've already insulted some
people I like on this list, and I refuse to apologize because they should
know better. If you wish to excuse everything that some tin-pot
of the
crap that is allowed without rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
: PMA and Pentax DSLR
Yeah, I agree with you, but she would also most likely be very old,
mostly stuck at the mirror all day, dented, losing her paint, need
constant cleaning an lubrication, cost you huge medical bills, and
the only way to make her work is by screwing or mounting her
, not politics, not
Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap that is allowed without
rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
Here we go again. These subjects have no place on the PDML. Take them
off list or flush them where they belong.
Without wanting to be overly argumentative, it has
Politics, Was:Re: Vs: car shit, not politics, not
Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap that is allowed without
rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
We import most of that oil from Venezuela, if what you say is true the US
should be
invading Venezuela.
At 12:28 PM 2/2/2003 +0200, you
Not quite.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: OT: car shit, not politics, not Pentax, but about as valid as any
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- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: PMA and Pentax DSLR
Actually
bought computers, cameras, cell phones this way and re-sold them. Never
heard of anybody giving one away though.
Feroze
- Original Message -
From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: PMA and Pentax DSLR
Anybody can
T Rittenhouse wrote:
[...]
GWB's speach seems to have achived its intended purpose as gasoline prices
around here jumped 10 cents a gallon yesterday.
And, what purpose was that?
keith
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
2003 14:37
Aihe: Re: car shit, not politics, not Pentax, but about as valid as any of the crap
that is allowed without rancor. WAS: bRe: PMA and Pentax DSLR
T Rittenhouse wrote:
[...]
GWB's speach seems to have achived its intended purpose as gasoline prices
around here jumped 10 cents
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