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Emne: RE: Hoya - Pentax Merger - Sad News
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Date: 2006/12/26 Tue AM 11:26:07 GMT
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On 26/12/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
Not much glass in an endoscope - I hope. I,m sorry, I can't quite make
the problem out. Time for some fast glass. Nurse! The 85 1.4, please.
That's pain on a galactic scale.
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On 26/12/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
Not much glass in an endoscope - I hope. I,m sorry, I can't quite make
the problem out. Time for some fast glass. Nurse! The 85 1.4, please.
...thank you nurse.
click
Ah, I think I see the problem
http://preview.tinyurl.com/b39cq
Mark wrote:
The K10D may just be the swan-song of Pentax management - one last flash
before they are gone.
Then I better get one while they're still available :-)
That will keep me going (with my current excellent glass collection) for
another 3-4 years.
No seriously:
Why would teh joined forces
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/12/26 Tue AM 11:26:07 GMT
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Subject: RE: Hoya - Pentax Merger - Sad News
Mark wrote:
The K10D may just be the swan-song of Pentax management - one last flash
before they are gone.
Then I better
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote:
We'll see, none of us know what will happen and even if they prosper
using your car analogy will we end up having Jags that are essentially
now just another Ford with a Jag badge?
Interesting analogy:
- The Real Jaguars are still Real Jaguars
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Pål Jensen wrote:
Mark wrote:
The question now
is - what kind of camera manufacturer will Hoya be?
REPLY:
Theres no reason to assume they want to be a camera manufacturer. In the
press release it is all about medical and optics; not
The imaging division will almost ceratinly be sold
off to some electronics company pretty soon. Pentax don't need it
anymore and Hoya never did in the first place. This is a sad day indeed...
Pål
No, never in my wildest dreams -:)
It just isn't going to happen!
John
And it is a long time until we see the result of this merge.
But right now it makes me worry a bit. It may be bad news, it may be good
news.
From my point of view Tokina, HOYA, Kenko and Slik seem to live happily
together, that feels reassuring. But that's nothing but speculations.
Tim
Mostly
Mercury wasn't acquired in a merger. It was a brand Edsel Ford
developed to try to fill the niche between Ford and Lincoln. At times
it has been very successful and is actually doing fairly well now with
Milan and Mariner. It has survived more than seventy years.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2006, at 3:09
Ken,
I think Pentax and Hoya are both pretty schrewd.
Pentax has been a small company competing with a giant like Canon.
They need a big brother to help them.
Hoya is no dummy either. They get a high quality, good reputation
lens and camera maker to market products in the higher end of the
On 12/22/06 8:26 AM, Bob Sullivan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Pentax and Hoya are both pretty schrewd.
Pentax has been a small company competing with a giant like Canon.
They need a big brother to help them.
Hoya is no dummy either. They get a high quality, good reputation
lens and
Tom C wrote:
In the future Hoya Pentax will do
as all businesses do, try to maximize profit, either by decreasing
costs and
increasing sales or by cutting losses and focusing on the more
profitable
parts of the business. Who knows how this will play out?
Probably like that horrible takeover
On 12/22/06 8:57 AM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TBO
Should read TOB
Ken
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From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But as I said, in this fiercely competitive business with two giants
dominating the market, I guess we should celebrate that Pentax is now
shielded from uncertainties ;-).
Don't you believe it. Classic example; two local breweries were taken over by
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:51:34 +
From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But as I said, in this fiercely competitive business with two giants
dominating the market, I guess we should celebrate that Pentax is now
shielded
money and not about the desirable atrributes
of the Pentax brand or it's legacy.
Tom C.
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:51:34 +
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 08:53:35AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
Tom C wrote:
In the future Hoya Pentax will do
as all businesses do, try to maximize profit, either by decreasing
costs and
increasing sales or by cutting losses and focusing on the more
profitable
parts of the business.
I certainly hope it works out better for Pentax than it's worked out for
Mercury.
Yeah, Mercury has been a Ford brand for only 60 - 70 years or so.
Kenneth Waller
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From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hoya - Pentax Merger?
I certainly hope it works
I certainly hope it works out better for Pentax than it's worked out for
Mercury.
John Celio wrote:
Well, guys, say goodbye to Pentax. My experience is this never does the
smaller company any good. It winds up just be a name the bigger company
uses for awhile with 3rd party products. Seems
-Original Message-
Unlike Hoya's relationship with Tokina and Kenko etc, this is a deal
with blood exchange. Both companies became one new entity. It was
just that Hoya's networth was larger than Pentax's (Pentax's capital
is larger than Hoya's), but as Pentax's president said,
While likely a good thing for Pentax, it is the end of Pentax as we know it,
i.e., they are no longer the business entity they were before, just as
Minolta is not.
ring... ring... I have a distant recollection of something like this being
predicted several years ago... of course this couldn't
Nope, it happened because of Pentax's relatively strong position in the
medical imaging market. This explains the Pentax sales reps supposedly
training Chinese guys to replace them a couple of months ago.
Tom C wrote:
While likely a good thing for Pentax, it is the end of Pentax as we know
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:58:04 -0500
Nope, it happened because of Pentax's relatively strong position in the
medical imaging market. This explains the Pentax sales reps supposedly
training Chinese guys
According to the Wall Street Journal, it less of a merger and more of an
acquisition.
http://tinyurl.com/yam7n5
Tom C.
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And a Bloomberg report...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=a5gyyd6mGbmM
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On 12/21/06 1:16 PM, Tom C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reports I've been reading of late indicated that Pentax was not the
dominant player in the medical imaging market either and was getting a
little beatup there as well.
Pentax never said that they were the dominant player in the medical
I never said Pentax said they were the dominant player. :-)
Tom C.
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:36:20 -0500
On 12/21/06 1:16 PM
Well, guys, say goodbye to Pentax. My experience is this never does the
smaller company any good. It winds up just be a name the bigger company
uses for awhile with 3rd party products. Seems the doom sayers were
right and the rest of us wrong.
Dave Kennedy wrote:
See here:
Does this mean I don't have to type OT in the subject line when i'm
asking a question about filters?
ann :)
Dave Kennedy wrote:
See here:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0612/06122101pentaxhoyamerge.asp
or here:
http://www.hoya.co.jp/data/current/newsobj-368-pdf.pdf
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Well, guys, say goodbye to Pentax. My experience is this never does the
smaller company any good. It winds up just be a name the bigger company
uses for awhile with 3rd party products. Seems the doom sayers were
right and the rest of us wrong.
And yet here you are, becoming a doom sayer. I
On 12/21/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
According to the Wall Street Journal, it less of a merger and more of an
acquisition.
It was a stock swap deal, only in that Hoya is much larger, hence
Pentax 1 vs. Hoya 0.15 something.
On plus side, pentax did not agree with this under duress and it
On 22/12/06, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And yet here you are, becoming a doom sayer. I seriously doubt Pentax is
going away. It'll just be part of a larger company now, like Mercury is a
part of Ford. Pentax will continue to make cameras as they always have,
only now they have
From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hoya owns and maintains a lot of brands, and there's no reason to think
they'd let a venerable brand like Pentax wither away just for kicks
grins.
John
There's no reason to, but then there's Contax, Leica, Olympus, Minolta,
Mamiya (maybe)... none of them
Hoya doesn't make cameras. They won't be rebadging Hoyas as Pentax.
Ford was making cars when they bought Jaguar. It made sense that
there would be some sharing of platforms. Your analogy is faulty. By
the way, the vast majorityt of Jaguar content is still from Coventry.
Only the low end
graywolf wrote:
Well, guys, say goodbye to Pentax. My experience is this never does the
smaller company any good. It winds up just be a name the bigger company
uses for awhile with 3rd party products. Seems the doom sayers were
right and the rest of us wrong.
You got that right. I used to
Pål Jensen wrote:
Mark wrote:
The question now
is - what kind of camera manufacturer will Hoya be?
REPLY:
Theres no reason to assume they want to be a camera manufacturer. In the
press release it is all about medical and optics; not electronics in digital
cameras. This is a way to
Whoa! Talk about finding that grey cloud in the silver lining. Pentax
imaging division is on its most successful run in many a year. If the
Pentax camera business isn't a worthwhile pursuit than the camera
business in general is doomed. So much silliness.
Paul
On Dec 21, 2006, at 8:33 PM,
Pål Jensen wrote:
Theres no reason to assume they want to be a camera manufacturer. In the
press release it is all about medical and optics; not electronics in digital
cameras. This is a way to strenghten Pentax medical and optics division and
make them less dependent on the imaging
On 12/21/06 8:54 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But what about the fact that Hoya is already a major camera-gear
manufacturer?
Unlike Hoya's relationship with Tokina and Kenko etc, this is a deal with
blood exchange. Both companies became one new entity. It was just that
Hoya's
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