Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-07-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Sadly there's nothing really ironic about petty abuses of power. On 6/10/2011 1:54 PM, Bob W wrote: Great video here about a guy's response to being ticketed for not cycling in the bike lane: Ironically he shouldn't have been ticketed, because it's n

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/6/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'd have stolen a line from Martin Amis: "if you wanted to be on that side >of the road you should have been born there". I would have borrowed a line from Colonel Sanders: 'If you wanted to be on that side of the road you should have been a chicken

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread Bob W
> >> How do you turn left? > > On 15/6/11, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >you go past your turn by one block then take three right turns > > > Damn I wish Bob had said that. > > Cheers, > Cotty > I'd have stolen a line from Martin Amis: "if you wanted to be on that side of

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 15, 2011, at 15:16, Ken Waller wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" > > Subject: Re: OT: Cycling in New York > > >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: >>> On Jun 11, 2011, at 22:15, Scott Loveless wro

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 15, 2011, at 15:01, Scott Loveless wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: >> On Jun 11, 2011, at 22:15, Scott Loveless wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, John Coyle wrote: We have bike lanes in Brisbane too, often, sensibly, between the parkin

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: Re: OT: Cycling in New York On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 11, 2011, at 22:15, Scott Loveless wrote: On Sat, Jun 11,

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread Cotty
>> How do you turn left? On 15/6/11, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: >you go past your turn by one block then take three right turns Damn I wish Bob had said that. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com ___

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-15 14:01 , Scott Loveless wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: The new bike lanes in downtown Minneapolis are between the curb and the parking lane. How do you turn left? you go past your turn by one block then take three right turns -- PDML Pentax-

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-15 Thread Scott Loveless
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Jun 11, 2011, at 22:15, Scott Loveless wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, John Coyle wrote: >>> We have bike lanes in Brisbane too, often, sensibly, between the parking >>> lane and the >>> traffic lanes. >> >> Like this?  

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-13 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 11, 2011, at 22:15, Scott Loveless wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, John Coyle wrote: >> We have bike lanes in Brisbane too, often, sensibly, between the parking >> lane and the >> traffic lanes. > > Like this? >

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I assumed that was a reference to deer, since they are the ones that munch all my tulips. On the subject of our tulip-munching cousins -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread mike wilson
On 12/06/2011 20:01, Bob W wrote: John Sessoms On the subject of our tulip-munching cousins, I've just found a rather interesting little factoid on this website: . "Holland has got the best cycle lane network in the world. You can

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Without the billboards, it wouldn't be Broadway. Dan > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:31:10PM +1200, David Mann wrote: >> On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> > Large stretches of Broadway are now pedetrian mall, with tables and >> > chair set up right in the middle of the stre

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread John Sessoms
I know where you can get one (and a nice TV dinner). Still pointless if I'm not allowed to use it shoot who I think needs shootin'. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3698 - Release Date: 06/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Di

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread drd1135
I know where you can get one (and a nice TV dinner). -Original Message- From: John Sessoms Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:39:09 To: Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Cycling in New York From: Ann Sanfedele > Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:31:10PM +1200, David Mann wrote: > On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > > Large stretches of Broadway are now pedetrian mall, with tables and > > chair set up right in the middle of the street: > > > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1107028

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Bob W
> John Sessoms > > On the subject of our tulip-munching cousins, I've just found a > rather > > interesting little factoid on this website: > > . > > > > "Holland has got the best cycle lane network in the world. You can > cycle on > > mor

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: Ann Sanfedele Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >The problem, Frank, is that the bikes in the traffic lanes DON'T go >the speed of traffic; they run through lights and cut in and out and >THEY make sudden swoops onto the cross street and back, cutting >through pedestrian traffic, scattering touri

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: "Bob W" On the subject of our tulip-munching cousins, I've just found a rather interesting little factoid on this website: . "Holland has got the best cycle lane network in the world. You can cycle on more than 19.000 kilometres o

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread John Sessoms
As a pedestrian in a smaller city, my experience is that cyclists are at least as rude and inconsiderate of pedestrians as they complain that automobile driver are to them ... if not more so. As a cyclist, the only problem I ever had with a motor vehicle was being brushed aside by a city bus.

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
35 years ago, I remember a middle aged woman cycling up the highstreet to a shop in her mink jacket. The friends we were visiting explained that cars were still being introduced to the Netherlands. In the suburbs ourside the Hauge... Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Bob W wrote:

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele . They even cycle at night without lights or reflector The courteous and safe have bells to jingle and lights so you can see them at night, but there are far to many who are way re

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread David Mann
On Jun 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bob W wrote: > Making it compulsory to use cycle lanes just gives the bad cyclists > one more law to break, and it makes things more dangerous for the > law-abiding cyclists. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13730774 In case nobody's posted it already :) D

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Bob W
> > >Compulsory cycle lanes make cycling less safe for cyclists, > > pedestrians and > > >motor traffic, particularly at junctions. > > > > What about Nederlands? From what I saw, they even get their own > traffic > > lights at major junctions. > > But are the lanes compulsory? That's the issue. >

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread David Mann
On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Large stretches of Broadway are now pedetrian mall, with tables and > chair set up right in the middle of the street: > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070283 That would look nice without the billboards... Dave -- PDML Penta

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Bob W
> >Compulsory cycle lanes make cycling less safe for cyclists, > pedestrians and > >motor traffic, particularly at junctions. > > What about Nederlands? From what I saw, they even get their own traffic > lights at major junctions. But are the lanes compulsory? That's the issue. The Netherlands

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-12 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Ann Sanfedele > Bob if you do get here in the fall, you will understand what Dan and I > are saying about this... > > One thing about the cars is that the traffic can be so bad that they > are > scarcely moving - someti

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Scott Loveless wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, John Coyle wrote: We have bike lanes in Brisbane too, often, sensibly, between the parking lane and the traffic lanes. Like this?

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Scott Loveless
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, John Coyle wrote: > We have bike lanes in Brisbane too, often, sensibly, between the parking lane > and the > traffic lanes. Like this? It's called a door zone

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread John Coyle
mall, I'm compelled to tell him to get off! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Sunday, 12 June 2011 2:01 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Cycling in New Yo

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Bob if you do get here in the fall, you will understand what Dan and I are saying about this... One thing about the cars is that the traffic can be so bad that they are scarcely moving - sometimes at a total standstill so a pedestrian can cross the street without fear :) but the cyclists then

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: The problem, Frank, is that the bikes in the traffic lanes DON'T go the speed of traffic; they run through lights and cut in and out and THEY make sudden swoops onto the cross street and back, cutting through pedestrian traffic, scattering tourists in all directions. T

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/6/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >Compulsory cycle lanes make cycling less safe for cyclists, pedestrians and >motor traffic, particularly at junctions. What about Nederlands? From what I saw, they even get their own traffic lights at major junctions. Every country road has a separa

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Bob W
that sounds like a good idea. Wish they'd do that in London. > There are lots of things the city is trying ot do. One proposal is to > ban all private vehicle from Midtown and to restrict trucks to > off-peak hours. > > Large stretches of Broadway are now pedetrian mall, with tables and > chair

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
There are lots of things the city is trying ot do. One proposal is to ban all private vehicle from Midtown and to restrict trucks to off-peak hours. Large stretches of Broadway are now pedetrian mall, with tables and chair set up right in the middle of the street: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Daniel J. Matyola > Yes, I do believe that if bikes cause safety problems, all bikes > should be force to follow reasonable rules. > > I have been to London more than once. London may be a city, but it is > in England,

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Yes, I do believe that if bikes cause safety problems, all bikes should be force to follow reasonable rules. I have been to London more than once. London may be a city, but it is in England, and the drivers and cyclists drive like Englishmen, not like New Yorkers. London taxis are driven by sane

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The problem, Frank, is that the bikes in the traffic lanes DON'T go the speed of traffic; they run through lights and cut in and out and THEY make sudden swoops onto the cross street and back, cutting through pedestrian traffic, scattering tourists in all directions. The bike lanes are relatively

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Bob W
> > Er, London is a city too. Do you really believe that because some > cyclists break the law all cyclists should be forced into unsafe > behaviour? How about if all motorists were forced into unsafe behaviour > because some of them break the law? > > Bingo! > > It's really easy to pick on cycli

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Bob W wrote: > Er, London is a city too. Do you really believe that because some cyclists > break the law all cyclists should be forced into unsafe behaviour? How about > if all motorists were forced into unsafe behaviour because some of them break > the law?

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > If they aren't required to use the bike lanes in New York, they should > be.  The traffic, especially in Manhattan, is buy and hazardous, and > the conflict between bikes, pedestrians, cars, taxis, buses and trucks > can be severe. Havin

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Bob W
> On the roads, yes. In the cities, where the weave in and out of > traffic and try to cut off taxis, it is very hazardous to the cyclists > and to the pedestrians. I have seen pedestrians in Manhattan forced > into a coming taxi to avoid being run over by charging bicycles. > > Dan > Er, Lond

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Bob W wrote: The best way to reduce the number and severity of accidents is to improve the training of all road users, and to design roads giving equal consideration to all, instead of designing in favour of one section of the road-using population. B Never been to New York, have you? :-)

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: If they aren't required to use the bike lanes in New York, they should be. The traffic, especially in Manhattan, is buy and hazardous, and the conflict between bikes, pedestrians, cars, taxis, buses and trucks can be severe. Dan Great video here about a guy's respo

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On the roads, yes. In the cities, where the weave in and out of traffic and try to cut off taxis, it is very hazardous to the cyclists and to the pedestrians. I have seen pedestrians in Manhattan forced into a coming taxi to avoid being run over by charging bicycles. Dan On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at

RE: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Bob W
> > If they aren't required to use the bike lanes in New York, they should > be. The traffic, especially in Manhattan, is buy and hazardous, and > the conflict between bikes, pedestrians, cars, taxis, buses and trucks > can be severe. > > Dan Compulsory cycle lanes make cycling less safe for cy

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
If they aren't required to use the bike lanes in New York, they should be. The traffic, especially in Manhattan, is buy and hazardous, and the conflict between bikes, pedestrians, cars, taxis, buses and trucks can be severe. Dan > Great video here about a guy's response to being ticketed for not

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-10 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2011-06-10 14:06, frank theriault wrote: my attempts to explain to them the difference between a "right" and an "obligation" usually fall on deaf ears. So, frank, do you realize that you have a death wish, or is it subconscious? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List P

Re: OT: Cycling in New York

2011-06-10 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Bob W wrote: > Great video here about a guy's response to being ticketed for not cycling in > the bike lane: > > > Ironically he shouldn't have been ticketed, because it's not a legal > requirement to use them. I don't