Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
You're just lucky the majority don't get to make the rules... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Reese Subject: RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Bob W wrote: ...Is the USA not a democracy? Not by the strict definition of democracy. It is a system of

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-29 Thread ernreed2
Graywolf wrote: A politician can win the popular vote, and not be elected president. In fact it is possible that someone who was not on the ballet could become president, though that never has happened to my knowledge. What you really vote for is something like which party gets to

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread mike wilson
P. J. Alling wrote: It seems that the T34, (Russian), has a better reputation than it deserves, it was simple and robust, packed a big punch and had armor that would stand up to the main gun on a Panzer Mark IV. The Sherman M1A[X] had also had armor designed to stand up to the Panzer Mark IV.

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Part of the reason that Russia lost so many troops was that they, (not really they, Stalin) was willing to spend lives for propaganda victorys that the western allies' people wouldn't have stood for. The fact was that the West was not prepared to start a second front until 1943. The invasion

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread Jostein
Quoting Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I dropped out a long time ago. Healthy debate can be fun. For some. But it's often taken personally by others. And the attacks become personal assults, coupled with presumption built on presumption. It does get tiring after a while. LOL!

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
No doubt. The sloped armor of the T34 made with an American Steel formulation btw, could stop the relatively low velocity 75mm AP shells from the Panzer Mark IV cold. It was quite a surprise to the German tank crews. Germany answered with a higher velocity 75mm, (maybe it was a 76mm gun, I

Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu AM 06:54:38 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Part of the reason that Russia lost so many troops was that they, (not really they, Stalin) was willing to spend lives for

Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu AM 07:36:14 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. No doubt. The sloped armor of the T34 made with an American Steel formulation btw, could stop the relatively low velocity 75mm

Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread mike wilson
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu AM 08:10:57 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu AM 06:54:38 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re:

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread Jostein
The philosopher was Thomas Kuhn, professor at Berkley, California. http://www.emory.edu/EDUCATION/mfp/Kuhnsnap.html http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/ Jostein Quoting Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I believe it is stated this way, Jostein: The new way does not become the way until

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Casting was more important than just for speed of production, (which is debatable, complex castings can be a bi***), using cast steel rather than stamped and welded steel plates for armor made for a more stronger hull with fewer weak points, (up until very recently, say about 40 years ago

Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:29:35 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Casting was more important than just for speed of production, (which is debatable, complex castings can be a bi***), using cast

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread Graywolf
A politician can win the popular vote, and not be elected president. In fact it is possible that someone who was not on the ballet could become president, though that never has happened to my knowledge. What you really vote for is something like which party gets to appoint the president. In

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually it's the states who pick the President. The current system is an approach used by the various state legislatures that approximates direct elections. However the State Legislatures pick the way Electors are selected under the federal constitution. The USA never was a democracy at

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-28 Thread Keith Whaley
Graywolf wrote: A politician can win the popular vote, and not be elected president. In fact it is possible that someone who was not on the ballet could become president, though that never has happened to my knowledge. What you really vote for is something like which party gets to appoint the

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Graywolf
I think a republic does not have to be a democracy. A democracy on the other hand pretty much has to be a republic if it is the government of much more than a town. The way we elect the president in the US is diffinately not a democratic process. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread John Coyle
- Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. SNIP You're looking at this from the US viewpoint, Paul (and I can't blame you for that). From the

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Jostein
Quoting frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]: John, This is a photography list. Take your food-talk elsewhere, please. It's only going to start another flame-war... LOL. But you have to break eggs to make an omelette. :-) Jostein (this is becoming entertaining again!)

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Jostein
Thanks, Frank. As you say, the enemy of the cold war era was dismantled in the eighties. IIRC, Gorbatchev rose to power and started the glasnost exactly 20 years ago. That's why I would call it an anachronism. One science philosopher (his name escapes me at the moment) claim that scientific

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Bob W
Hi, In a democracy, the majority rules. The minority has no rights under the law. The United States of America is not a democracy. It is a republic. snip With the greatest of respect, Tom, it seems to me that you (or those who share your viewpoint) are making up definitions to

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, William Robb wrote: The Queen provides a last resort to reign in an out of control situation in Parliament, or an out of control government. That's right, the Queen has almost no power except for the right to dismiss 'her' government and call for a general election.

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, John Francis wrote: frank theriault mused: But if England and Canada aren't democracies by your definition (since their constitutions prevent the majority from oppressing the minority), and they aren't republics (having a non-elected monarch),

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom Reese
Frank theriault wrote something that I replied to and I cited a webpage that discussed the difference between a democracy and a republic. I've since taken a close look at the page and I realized that that page had a political agenda. I did not cite that page to advance that political agenda. I

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread frank theriault
On 4/27/05, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Stenquist mused: I don't know on what you base that comment, Paul. I don't know what they considered themselves, but they were neither communists nor Marxists. I base that comment on the name that the Soviets gave to their

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread frank theriault
On 4/27/05, John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, I have to take some issue with you on this paragraph. The USSR was certainly not fighting the Nazis single-handed. You may recall that Britain fought from September of 1939 until the German invasion of Russia in 1941 with no manpower

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread frank theriault
On 4/27/05, Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have an agenda other than to point out the difference between a republic and a democracy.snip You coming to GFM this year, Tom? I seem to recall that you are. I think we'll have a fun discussion over a beer or two, eh? vbg cheers,

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Kenneth Waller
But I'm going to stop now. I'm happy to discuss this off-list from here on in. Best news about this thread I've seen in several days! VBG Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 26, 2005 10:25 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT:

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think a republic does not have to be a democracy. A democracy on the other hand pretty much has to be a republic if it is the government of much more than a town. The way we elect the president in the US is diffinately not a democratic process. As Frank

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread frank theriault
On 4/27/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I'm going to stop now. I'm happy to discuss this off-list from here on in. Best news about this thread I've seen in several days! VBG Yes, well, despite my best intentions, I apparently lied, having posted some more this morning :-(

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault asked: You coming to GFM this year, Tom? I seem to recall that you are. Indeed I am. I think we'll have a fun discussion over a beer or two, eh? vbg I think we'll have several of both. grbay (that acronym should keep you busy for a little while) Tom Reese

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Alan P. Hayes
I've been following the political discussion and I need to say that I think this list is not properly named. Instead the Pentax Discussion Mailing List it should really be called the Pentax Digression Mailing List. It wouldn't even change the initials, but it would so much more accurately

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Kenneth Waller
Instead the Pentax Discussion Mailing List it should really be called the Pentax Digression Mailing List. Or lately, - Political Discussion Mailing List. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Alan P. Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 27, 2005 11:14 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Graywolf
I believe it is stated this way, Jostein: The new way does not become the way until the last person who knew the old way dies. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Jostein wrote: Thanks, Frank. As you say, the enemy of the cold war

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Graywolf
Actually this has not been a political discussion as all. We have be discussing definitions, not politics. With rare exceptions no one has made claims of one of them being better than the other, only what the differences are. It has been a most civil and interesting discussion. Most of those

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Keith Whaley
luben karavelov wrote: Tom C wrote: I have to type this quietly and in the dark. It seems to me, especially since that day in 2001, that the USA has been marching steadily towards becoming the USSA. :) When I was young (15 years old, in the end of communist regime) everybody's wish was to

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom C
From the Soviet viewpoint, however, things look a bit different. They just fought a war almost singe-handedly against the war machine of Nazi Germany, No the USA sent the Russians tons of SPAM to keep their troops alive, as they were starving on the German front during the winter. Just a

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Alan P. Hayes
Well, political philosophy, then. I'm really impressed by the ability of people on this list to have an interesting and civil discussion around topics that don't often lend themselves to cool consideration. Most good lists are sustained by a fairly small group of posters, it's a good bunch

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Keith Whaley
Graywolf wrote: I think a republic does not have to be a democracy. A democracy on the other hand pretty much has to be a republic if it is the government of much more than a town. The way we elect the president in the US is diffinately not a democratic process. graywolf Why cetainly it is,

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Keith Whaley
Alan P. Hayes wrote: I've been following the political discussion and I need to say that I think this list is not properly named. Instead the Pentax Discussion Mailing List it should really be called the Pentax Digression Mailing List. It wouldn't even change the initials, but it would so much

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread David Oswald
Are we through with this yet? Or do I have to go to the trouble of devising a spam filter that blocks this thread while continuing to allow ON TOPIC posts through? 150 messages a day is traffic enough, without adding another 50 per day about world history and politics, IMNSHO.

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom C
You know, I never once have felt it my perogative to tell others what they should discuss on the list. If it was overtly offensive, maybe I would. But simply OT, no. Being on the list is like being in the world. Parts of it we like, parts of it we don't. That being said, your point is

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread John Francis
Chris Stoddart mused: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, John Francis wrote: frank theriault mused: But if England and Canada aren't democracies by your definition (since their constitutions prevent the majority from oppressing the minority), and they aren't republics

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/4/05, David Oswald, discombobulated, unleashed: Are we through with this yet? Or do I have to go to the trouble of devising a spam filter that blocks this thread while continuing to allow ON TOPIC posts through? 150 messages a day is traffic enough, without adding another 50 per day

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. On 27/4/05, David Oswald, discombobulated, unleashed: Are we through with this yet? Or do I have

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
At 16:50 2005.04.27 -0400, you wrote: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:58:47 -0700 From: David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom C
Keith Waley wrote: I belong to another list that would certainly give THIS list a run for it's money. But, most of the rank liberal folks here would be loathe to even have me pronounce it's name. Don't you paint me with that wide pinko brush, you, you, deviant. Tom C.

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread frank theriault
On 4/27/05, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we through with this yet? Or do I have to go to the trouble of devising a spam filter that blocks this thread while continuing to allow ON TOPIC posts through? 150 messages a day is traffic enough, without adding another 50 per day about

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread frank theriault
On 4/27/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No the USA sent the Russians tons of SPAM to keep their troops alive, as they were starving on the German front during the winter. Just a little history. I know that The West sent supplies to Russia. Canada sent tanks (I believe a smallish

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom C
I understood that Frank. :) I just always like to get that bit about SPAM in whenever I can. I probably shouldn't have started my post with the word No, as that obviously led you to think I was disputing something when I really wasn't Sorry. Tom C. From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread frank theriault
On 4/27/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understood that Frank. :) I just always like to get that bit about SPAM in whenever I can. I probably shouldn't have started my post with the word No, as that obviously led you to think I was disputing something when I really wasn't Sorry. g

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Herb Chong
the US also sent virtually all of the trucks and much of the clothing. the British took the same and also US tanks. the Soviets never cared for anyone else's tanks, for good reason. Herb - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday,

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread P. J. Alling
It seems that the T34, (Russian), has a better reputation than it deserves, it was simple and robust, packed a big punch and had armor that would stand up to the main gun on a Panzer Mark IV. The Sherman M1A[X] had also had armor designed to stand up to the Panzer Mark IV. Unfortunately by

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Herb Chong
Russian tanks had wider tracks and less problems with muddy conditions than American or British designs. also, they ran OK on much poorer quality fuel. Herb... - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:00 PM

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Bob W
I think that free beer is a type of Freedom. Your damn right it is, and down here in this bastion of democracy people will fight to the death for it. ;) ROFL ;~\

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Jostein
Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... Jostein Quoting Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.oekonux.org/texts/marketrelations.html and there's more, if you want to

Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread m.9.wilson
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue AM 07:38:48 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and pieces, here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs anywhere in the world.

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... A lot of people (especially Americans) confuse Marxism with Soviet-style communism (though why they should

Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue AM 11:20:07 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue AM 11:20:07 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault wrote: The word libertarian is a pretty wide-ranging one. Most people (I would guess) think of it as a whacko-right thing, but many on the left consider themselves to be leftist libertarians, Chomsky likely being the best known. Not disputing what you said, Glenn, just expanding

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Jostein
Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and pieces, here and there. That's probably true

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Kenneth Waller
Free Beer Tomorrow Seen on the side of a bar in Savannah, Ga, a few weeks ago. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 26, 2005 2:56 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. I think that free beer is a

Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread mike wilson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue PM 01:13:20 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Quoting Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
So where's the photo? Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller Free Beer Tomorrow Seen on the side of a bar in Savannah, Ga, a few weeks ago.

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Kenneth Waller
So where's the photo? Only in my mind. It's my reason to go back. I saw it from the front seat of a Cab @ 65mph while on my way to the airport. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 26, 2005 9:47 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE:

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Quoting Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Here in the US where they never had to live under the system you can still find Marxists as well, spooky... Jostein wrote: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Doug Brewer
taking a course in philosophy makes you a philosopher in the same way taking a course in photography makes you a photographer. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Juan Buhler
This begs a link: http://www.authentichistory.com/images/1960s/treasure_chest/v17_02_03.html :) All I need to know about communism I learned from J. Edgar Hoover, j On 4/26/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Jostein
Collin, May I humbly suggest that you pour out your rational and reasoned concern about GPL software propagating marxist ideas somewhere else? Dragging your religious views into it isn't exactly going to help your case either. best regards, Jostein - Original Message - From: Collin

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Albano. Very cool. I remember reading that comic book as a child in the fifities. I think it was distributed in schools. The best part is where the commies take Joe Kennedy's building for a government headquarters: the Chicago Merchandise Mart. It ranks right up there with the classic

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I humbly suggest that you pour out your rational and reasoned concern about GPL software propagating marxist ideas somewhere else? Dragging your religious views into it isn't exactly going to help your case either. There's one thing that communism and

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom C
There's one thing that communism and Christianity have in common (and I forget who said this, though it was in regards to Christianity): it hasn't *failed*, it's never been tried! :) Quite true, most 'Christian' religions bely the claim and blatantly disregard the prinicples of their so-called

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Collin, May I humbly suggest that you pour out your rational and reasoned concern about GPL software propagating marxist ideas somewhere else? Dragging your religious views into it isn't exactly going to help your case either. This hardly looks

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom C
This hardly looks fair, Jostein. Wasn't Collin commenting on other people's posts, both about Marxism and Christianity? I think he's as entitled to express his opinions on those subjects as anyone else, as long as he's being polite about it, which he was. ERNR The OT stuff is what keeps the list

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread John Forbes
ERNR I think Collin brought up the subject by claiming that free software was Marxist. I don't know what the context was because he has a habit of creating new subject lines, and not quoting the previous discussion. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:39:11 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Herb Chong
this *IS* religion. Herb - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. A lot better than this Film is Dead rubbish. ;)

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom C
Haha! Tom C. From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:09:47 -0400 this *IS* religion. Herb - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Bob W
Hi, The revolutionary era of the 60s stood out because of the violence. Maybe more recently people have heard of the Shining Path Castro. Just because they call themselves Marxists, doesn't mean they are. Do you think the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda is doing the work of the

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Jostein
ERN, I totally agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion. Since this thread goes on, I will post once more. Collin was quite clear about his opinions when he started this thread, and did not refer to any other thread in this forum. Knowing us, I'd say there probably was a reference, but

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Graywolf
Just because they took the door off the closet, don't mean the bogeyman is gone. GRIN! graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Jostein wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom Reese
Bob W wrote: ...Is the USA not a democracy? Not by the strict definition of democracy. It is a system of government where the majority of the people make the rules for everyone. Here is a site discussing the differences: http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm The United

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Graywolf
No, to be a photographer you have to buy a camera. What do you have to buy to be a philosopher? GRIN! graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Doug Brewer wrote: taking a course in philosophy makes you a philosopher in the same way

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread frank theriault
On 4/26/05, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: taking a course in philosophy makes you a philosopher in the same way taking a course in photography makes you a photographer. Funny. I majored in philosophy in University. I forget most of it. I'm not a philosopher. I've never taken a

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread frank theriault
On 4/26/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip. A lot better than this Film is Dead rubbish. ;) Hey! I resemble that! g -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Bob W
Hi, ...Is the USA not a democracy? Not by the strict definition of democracy. It is a system of government where the majority of the people make the rules for everyone. Here is a site discussing the differences: http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm The United

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread frank theriault
On 4/26/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread frank theriault
On 4/26/05, Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obfuscating the discussion by talking about free beer only avoids the issue. snip Maybe that's why some of us are talking about free beer... LOL -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom C
Bob W wrote: These definitions seem rather narrow to me, and are perhaps more specific to the situation in the USA than to the rest of the world. 'Republic' seems to have several definitions, of which the most common is 'not a monarchy'. Certainly the definition you have given does not sit well

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Leon Mlakar
Batter is made from flour, eggs and water. Pasta is made from flour, eggs and water. But they're different things. Kerry and Bush no doubt shared plenty of ideas with each other, and with socialists and with the Monster Raving Loony Party. But they're all different parties. There

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Juan Buhler Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. This begs a link: http://www.authentichistory.com/images/1960s/treasure_chest/v17_02_03.html That would be funny if it wasn't so obviously some sort of half assed propoganda. Who authored that

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom Reese Subject: RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Bob W wrote: ...Is the USA not a democracy? Not by the strict definition of democracy. It is a system of government where the majority of the people make the rules for everyone. Were it only

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. I think he's as entitled to express his opinions on those subjects as anyone else, as long as he's being polite about it, which he was. If you want to get technical, this is a

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread John Forbes
No. There don't have to be eggs in pasta, but the nicest pasta (IMO) certainly includes eggs. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:49:54 +0100, Leon Mlakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Batter is made from flour, eggs and water. Pasta is made from flour, eggs and water. But they're different things. Kerry

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Both major political parties are whorses of a different color, but they're both horses. It's one of the reasons why no noticeable improvement occurs. Please clarify, are they whores or ruminants?

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread frank theriault
On 4/26/05, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. There don't have to be eggs in pasta, but the nicest pasta (IMO) certainly includes eggs. John, This is a photography list. Take your food-talk elsewhere, please. It's only going to start another flame-war... g cheers, frank --

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom C
Give Mr. Robb the grand prize and a big pat on the back for finding the secret clue! Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:00:37 -0600 -

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
The ruling party of the USSR certainly considered themselves communists. Whether they lived up to the ideals of communism is another thing. The arms race wasn't a plot. No one was pleased when the Soviets learned to make nuclear weapons. The growth of the US economy following the war was far

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