Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Well, you are at a disadvantage being in Israel and all. I'm less than 200 miles from BH photo. When the K-7 was beginning to ship BH dropped the price of the K20D to $629.00. With free shipping I had it in one day, and since I'm not in NY no NY State, City or County sales tax. Keh.com has

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-15 Thread P. J. Alling
The K-5 will have been out, a bit over, a year next September. The K-3, or whatever it'll be called, will have been announced sometime after the previous August, with a ship dated not far in the future. Then is the time to look to look to buy a K-5. Every Pentax DSLR I've bought I've paid ~

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-15 Thread Boris Liberman
Just went to the local price watch site. Few quotes for your perusal, Peter: K100D - USD 650 K200D - USD 1050 K10D - USD 970 K20D - USD 1000 K-7 - USD 1300 Following your logic, I am going to have to wait until K-(-3) comes out (yes, it is key minus three) to get my K-5 for USD 600 although

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-13 Thread Stan Halpin
On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I am also Russian, or actually Soviet, whereas everyone is in total and absolute agreement with everyone. That's amazing. Every single Russian that I've ever met is an anomaly. So -

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-13 Thread Boris Liberman
In sooth, this reminds me a joke from Scientific American about the uninteresting numbers. IIRC it went like this: * One month the magazine published a proof that no uninteresting numbers existed. Something in lines of: consider the set of all uninteresting numbers. Take the minimal of them.

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-13 Thread Adam Maas
The A850 and A900 are optimized for low ISO shooting. They use a stronger Colour Filter Array than anything else short of a MF system which gives them the best colour at low ISO's at the cost of poor high ISO performance. Note that if you downrez A900 files to APS-C resolutions you pick up

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread eckinator
2011/1/12 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: As an old boss of mine would say: Never use adequate force when excessive force is available. necessary roughness ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Boris Liberman wrote: I respectfully disagree, J.C. It depends on the size of the images to be printed. I don't print bigger than A3. For that purpose A850 is actually an overkill. Yep, I wouldn't have the 850 if I didn't like to make large prints. But it's also good to be able to crop images

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/12/2011 3:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Yep, I wouldn't have the 850 if I didn't like to make large prints. Mark! I don't expect me to have to print bigger than A3 any time soon. But it's also good to be able to crop images significantly and still make good prints. It's wonderful to be

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Steven Desjardins
645D, Mark. I'm just saying. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: I respectfully disagree, J.C. It depends on the size of the images to be printed. I don't print bigger than A3. For that purpose A850 is actually an overkill. Yep, I

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Steven Desjardins wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: I respectfully disagree, J.C. It depends on the size of the images to be printed. I don't print bigger than A3. For that purpose A850 is actually an overkill. Yep, I

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Steven Desjardins wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: I respectfully disagree, J.C. It depends on the size of the images to be printed. I don't print bigger than A3. For

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Steven Desjardins
Yeah, I think about the future used market all the time. Mark: You could move to Fall River and save the difference in rent to buy the 645D. You could bike that 50 miles easy. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Mark

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Absolutely, Ken. As long as you understand me and I understand you (which I hope I do

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Larry Colen
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Absolutely, Ken. As long as you understand me and I understand you (which I hope I do) any disagreement in absolutely fine. You bet Boris. Imagine how boring the world would be if we all agreed on everything. Boris is an Israeli, he

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Boris Liberman
I am also Russian, or actually Soviet, whereas everyone is in total and absolute agreement with everyone. Approaching the moment of time when I lived in Israel as much time as I lived in Russia/Soviet Union I am about to reach the point of perfect and total balance. Some call it Zen (finish of

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/12/2011 9:07 PM, Ken Waller wrote: You bet Boris. Imagine how boring the world would be if we all agreed on everything. The (total) opposite, Ken, would be just as boring. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Larry Colen
On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I am also Russian, or actually Soviet, whereas everyone is in total and absolute agreement with everyone. That's amazing. Every single Russian that I've ever met is an anomaly. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-12 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/13/2011 6:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: That's amazing. Every single Russian that I've ever met is an anomaly. Keep talking that way and one day you will meet several Russians at once who will apply high rate mechanical pressure at various locations of your self, also known as beating /big

Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I like to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other things I did back up photos for my friend and I was given an opportunity to keep them for my examination. He has Sony A850 and an assortment of

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris, Good for you! You have reached a new level of photographic maturity. The marketing hype of the next new camera isn't as important as your skills. Enjoy your pictures without 'looking over your shoulder' for something better. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Boris Liberman

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread AlunFoto
2011/1/11 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially. ... To some. :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/11/2011 5:53 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2011/1/11 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially. ... To some. :-) Oh, as usual standard disclaimers do apply. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
- Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com (...) Thankfully, I don't feel like I should or even must update from K-7 to K-5 or to Canon 5DMk2 or whatever. I kind of used to feel that way having seen Paul's comparison shots from his basement. I also think

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/11/2011 6:54 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: So, it seems that Boris is fighting for the 'Disabler of the year' award... ;-) As long as there is a monetary prize behind that award, I am willing to give it a try /grin/. (A bit more) seriously speaking, owning a K20D there are some additional

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Miserere
On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially. S Don't tell Mark —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote: On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially. S Don't tell Mark Oh, hmmm, ahem, well. Let me see. My understanding is that

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread paul stenquist
Good post. I suspect that the K-5 can outperform the A850 in all but pixel count. But that's just a guess based on sensor tests and a wedding photographer friend's comments regarding his A850. Paul On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread DagT
Den 11. jan. 2011 kl. 18.51 skrev Boris Liberman: On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote: On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially. S Don't tell Mark Oh,

RE: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread J.C. O'Connell
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:05 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Good post. I suspect that the K-5 can outperform the A850 in all but pixel count. But that's just a guess based

RE: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread J.C. O'Connell
- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:09 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Den 11. jan. 2011 kl. 18.51 skrev Boris Liberman: On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Dario Bonazza
J.C. O'Connell wrote: FF cameras arent necessarily much larger than aps based ones. Not necessarily, but they are much larger. That's probably because Pentax hasn't one. Oddly enough, 4/3 cameras should be much smaller than APS-based ones, but they have never been, aren't and (likely)

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
Mark! On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially. S Don't tell Mark   —M.    \/\/o/\/\

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Miserere wrote: On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially. S Don't tell Mark Really, the difference in resolution between 15MP and 25MP is pretty amazing.

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Ken Waller
K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Hi! As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I like to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other things I did back up photos for my friend and I was given an opportunity to keep them for my examination. He has

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Jack Davis
--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:38 AM Miserere wrote: On 11 January

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Ken Waller
Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote: On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: It stands to reason that 16x24 and 24x36 cameras are closer than it might have seemed initially

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Miserere wrote: On 11 January 2011 07:07, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Miserere
On 11 January 2011 15:40, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: My understanding is that Mark is doing somewhat special kind of photography, mostly (daylight) landscape and nature. Wasn't aware this was considered a 'special kind of photography' ! It's special when Mark does it. —M.

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
a 'special kind of photography' ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos On 1/11/2011 7:42 PM, Miserere wrote: On 11 January 2011 07:07

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Larry Colen
On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Ken, if wrote particular or specific would it be more clear? I may have used an imprecise term. That's not going to stop those of us who only speak one language from teasing you when you make a minor mistake in your third language. --

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Good post. I suspect that the K-5 can outperform the A850 in all but pixel count. But that's just a guess based on sensor tests and a wedding photographer friend's comments regarding his A850. Paul On Jan

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Hi! As I wrote earlier, my friends from DC (well, actually it is MD, but I like to think of this as DC) came for a visit and left. Among other things I did back up photos for my friend and I was given an opportunity to keep them for my

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/12/2011 6:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Ken, if wrote particular or specific would it be more clear? I may have used an imprecise term. That's not going to stop those of us who only speak one language from teasing you when you make a

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Larry Colen
On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I respectfully disagree, J.C. It depends on the size of the images to be printed. I don't print bigger than A3. For that purpose A850 is actually an overkill. As an old boss of mine would say: Never use adequate force when excessive force

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Ken Waller
Boris about all I can agree on is it is a type of photography . Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Ken, if wrote

Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos

2011-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sony A850 vs Pentax K-7 or Boris examines lots of photos Ken, if wrote particular or specific would it be more clear? I may have used an imprecise term. On 1/11/2011 10:40 PM, Ken Waller wrote: My understanding