Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-14 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Tuesday, November 13, 2001, at 10:20 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: If you had my printer you would want to change the halftone screen. Or don't you think inkjets use a halftone screen. If that is so, I have news for you. Okay, I'll bite. What printer do you have, and what is the issue

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-13 Thread dave o'brien
A scroll of mail from Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:50:57 + Read it? y These days it's more to do with what you're weened with, computer-wise. If you grow up with PCs, you tend to stay with them. I've found that people who are weaned with only PCs tend to be very wary of

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-13 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
That's funny, when I told my graphics software I wanted to change the printer halftone, it told me that requires a Postscript printer. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink.

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-13 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Tuesday, November 13, 2001, at 06:43 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: That's funny, when I told my graphics software I wanted to change the printer halftone, it told me that requires a Postscript printer. Once again, I'm talking about photographic printing here. -Aaron - This message is from

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Peter Lacus
Aaron Reynolds wrote: Ha ha! I'd probably be running Linux if I didn't need all the stinking MS Office applications to be compatible with the rest of the world. Photoshop is the other app I use primarily. Of course that's readily available for the Mac. So's MS Office. :) Now

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Ken Archer
That makes two of us. On Monday 12 November 2001 00:52, Doug Franklin wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:15:33 +1300, David A. Mann wrote: I'm configuring a new installation on a 6Gb disk for that machine at the moment because I haven't kept the old installation up to date (and the drive that

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 12:21 AM, David A. Mann wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A $4,000 PC ~does~ exceed a $4,000 MAC. Of course it does. A combination of economies of scale, and healthy competition in the hardware sector. One should not shop on price alone, however.

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 03:08 PM, aimcompute wrote: Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between Mac and PC and what kind of time lag there is between release of the Windows version and when a Mac version is released. There are no compatibility issues between

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 11/12/01 10:18:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It all depends on what you're doing. For me, the Mac OS is the right choice. Anyone like yourself who deals with a ton of graphics or CAD work might very well be better off with MAC/Apple. But your

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Cotty
It so happens Office and Photoshop, like malevolent viruses, have invaded and conquered PC computerdome-ask Apple/Mac folk if that isn't true? Mafud, This is entirely true. My sister's bloke (shoots wildlife with Canon and Bronica) uses Photoshop an a PC and swears by it. In fact, most of

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Cotty
Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between Mac and PC and what kind of time lag there is between release of the Windows version and when a Mac version is released. Office 98 was released for the Mac well before the Windows version... Signed, A. Fanatic

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
it's called Postscript. Or the free version Ghostscript. And yes you can use a Postscript printer on a PC. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message -

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Nicolas Colarusso, CGA
was there an office 98? - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
I guess so! Since there never was an Office 98 for Windows. I suspect that Office 98 for Mac was the same as Office 97 for Windows. Which would indicate that the run about a year behind. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread aimcompute
If there was, it was the bug fixes for Office 97, with more bugs included, so there could be a good reason for Office 2000. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Nicolas Colarusso, CGA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Windows XP -

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:08 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: it's called Postscript. Or the free version Ghostscript. And yes you can use a Postscript printer on a PC. I was talking about ColorSync. Postscript is not particularly important in photographic imaging. -Aaron - This

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:19 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: I guess so! Since there never was an Office 98 for Windows. I suspect that Office 98 for Mac was the same as Office 97 for Windows. Which would indicate that the run about a year behind. I don't know if in this situation

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Nov 2001, at 19:50, Cotty wrote: These days it's more to do with what you're weened with, computer-wise. If you grow up with PCs, you tend to stay with them. The 2 graphic designers at our place grew up with PCs, and feel uneasy using the Mac. But that's only because they're used to

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 11/12/01 2:52:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People use the Mac because they *want* to. Most people use a PC because they have to... I actually bought a MAC back in 1989. Went back to PCs in a little over a year, selling the MAC for a profit.

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-12 Thread Treena Harp
With this I would have to agree. In newspaper (prepress) I work with Macs all the time. Then I come home and do it for myself better and faster with a PC whose processor isn't supposed to be as up-to-date as the one in the G4 I work on. My lowly 400 mhz emachine can stay up for weeks on end

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-11 Thread William Robb
From: Mafud We're not disagreeing Bill. I think I've died and gone to heavenVBG Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-11 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:15:33 +1300, David A. Mann wrote: I'm configuring a new installation on a 6Gb disk for that machine at the moment because I haven't kept the old installation up to date (and the drive that holds my root partition has given a few errors). I love Mandrake! :-) TTYL,

Re: OT: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-11 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 11:36 10.11.2001 +1100, Kevin wrote: Yes, Linux is good for the servers: 2:55pm up 102 days, 2:27, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 But there is not enough software available for workstations to use Linux only. I use Linux only. What is missing? Most of the softwares I am

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-10 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 11/10/01 11:37:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) Date:11/10/01 11:37:10 AM Eastern Standard Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (aimcompute) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-10 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 11/10/01 1:25:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Another words, Windows, over time, degrades. No one knows why, and Microsoft prolly ain't gonna fix it. Couldn't it simply be that operators, new and old, fearing the unknown, refuse to or

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-10 Thread lbparis
Disk Mangler is what Dell used to prepare and format the drive. They didn't include the program in the deal. I guess I'll have to contact the OnTrack folks and see what they say about removal. I'm not sure how I got rid of it years ago. Maybe FDISK / mbr can do the trick but I suspect I'll

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-10 Thread aimcompute
Actually Mafud, I think Microsoft IS partly to blame. The fact is most people that have a computer don't have it because they're computer buffs. They have it because it's a tool that let 's accomplish a task. They have know desire to be computer geeks. Microsoft of course advertises to sell

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-10 Thread Lon Williamson
David A. Mann wrote: I wonder how much the stability problems depend on drivers, hardware etc. The thing is, nobody knows. We've had a pile of anecdotal evidence about Windows the last 24 hours or so. I've been programming PC's since before the original IBM-PC. The only thing my brain

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
This made me switch over to the Linux box and type 'uptime. 30 days, 2 hours, 5minutes. Anyone seen the new IBM Server ads on TV? IBM Servers with the Linux operating system. Must be giving Bill Gates chest pains grin. --graywolf - The optimist's

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Steve Larson
IMHO, ME`s downfall was not being able to recognize incompatible programs. I was very happy with it till I installed Norton Utilities (worked fine with 98SE), then the OS went downhill fast. Win2000 Advanced Server is now my OS of choice. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California David A. Mann

OT: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 08:20 9.11.2001 -0500, graywolf wrote: This made me switch over to the Linux box and type 'uptime. 30 days, 2 hours, 5minutes. --graywolf Yes, Linux is good for the servers: 2:55pm up 102 days, 2:27, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 But there is not enough software available for

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Bill Owens
I got so frustrated yesterday that I broke down and got Norton Systemworks. After putting it through its paces, so far everything is working normally. Guess I had some conflicts somewhere that Systemworks was able to resolve. I also picked up some cheap memory chips at Best Buy (I know, they may

Re[2]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Bruce Dayton
Todd, If you run Office or any other Microsoft apps, you may be using part of IE already. Microsoft shares many dlls across their software. And many other programs also take advantage of the Microsoft dlls. Bruce Friday, November 09, 2001, 11:05:18 AM, you wrote: TS I recently had 19

Re: Re[2]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread aimcompute
Bruce, One other thought I had. On Microsoft's part, while maybe not a deliberate *conspiracy*, but surely a deliberate act, operating systems are written with little attempt to optimize efficiency, with the knowledge that they will require new hardware. New hardware will necessarily come with

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Ken Archer
Then you need 98lite. It installs my 98SE without IE and all the other junk that makes it slow and unstable. I normally use Linux, but also dual boot to 98lite on the same box and both or rock solid. Find it at: http://www.98lite.net/ On Friday 09 November 2001 13:05, Todd Stanley wrote:

Re[4]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Bruce Dayton
Tom, You may have noticed how the amount of support has diminished and the cost of support has increased. I can't even imagine attempting to support something on the scale of Windows running on almost any mish-mashed hardware. Maybe the bigger rejoicing is the ability to say Try upgrading,

Re: Re[4]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread aimcompute
Bruce, It makes you wonder how we made it to the moon, doesn't it? I guess it also explains why no one's there right now. Horrifying thought... What if Apollo missions had used on-board computers running Windows? Tom C. - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Re[2]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread lbparis
The use of toolkits and other forms of reusable code has brought us to a programming by committee approach and resulted in a lot of program bloat. Not many folks still code in assembler, which made very compact, fast executing programs. Those programmers had to write code that would run in the

Re[2]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Bruce Dayton
lbparis, I would check into Partition Magic and see if that can straighten things out. Bruce Dayton Friday, November 09, 2001, 12:21:09 PM, you wrote: l I'm a little frustrated here. Dell shipped my system with a l 60GB hard drive but no partitioning. They installed Ontrack l Disk

Re: Re[2]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread lbparis
The only thing I'm concerned about is that damned Disk Mangler boot sector. Is Partition Magic able to take care of that? Or does it just ignore it and repartition the drive anyway? That ontrack boot sector shows up as boot sector errors in Systemworks. Len --- - Original Message -

RE: Re[6]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Mick Maguire
They also used less computing power than the average modern car has onboard. Regards, /\/\ick... ++ || __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/

Re[4]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Bruce Dayton
len, It would certainly be worth an email to them to see if Partition Magic can deal with it. I have had to fight that same problem before and it is a real pain. Bruce Dayton Friday, November 09, 2001, 1:09:40 PM, you wrote: l The only thing I'm concerned about is that damned Disk Mangler

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Kevin Waterson
Brendan wrote: Oh give up and get Linux, no more worries ever again :) I see Microsoft now wants hacking classes as an act of terrorism seems their security model relies more on legislation than on security audits. /shrug Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To

Re[4]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Bruce Dayton
David, Yeah, if only Microsoft would make them fully backward compatible like they tell everyone else to do. In the early Windows days (286 and first 3.0) days, when memory was very expensive, dlls were quite handy and I used and created them quite often. Nowadays, backward compability and

Re: OT: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread lbparis
Is there a Linux version of PhotoShop? Len --- - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: Re: OT: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) I use Linux only. What is missing?

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread lbparis
I guess that's because their lawyers have more experience than their programmers, what with all the defending against the Government they have to do. Len --- - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:48 PM

Re: OT: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Ken Archer
Yes, its called Gimp...Graphic Image Manipulation Program. It comes free on just about any Linux CD package. On Friday 09 November 2001 19:48, lbparis wrote: Is there a Linux version of PhotoShop? Len -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.
I had this same challenge a couple of years ago. I seem to remember finding instructions on the mangler installation disk for cleaning up the boot sector. Unfortunately, I can't check this as I took great pleasure in tossing mangler bits a few weeks after reinstalled the software on that

Re: OT: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
Gimp is an equivalent. The price is better (free) and the source code is included so you can fix anything you think is broken. I find a lot of windows software broken, but you can't fix it. I hate idiot proof user interfaces, they are also expert proof and just drive me nuts. --graywolf

Re: Re[4]: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
A former IBM programer once told me that they programed bugs in to MS software so they could sell corporations fixes for them. No one cared one way or the other about the casual user. Of course he may have just been pissed at his former employer, but since he was making more working for someone

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
And the box setting on my desk is more powerful than a mainframe of that time. Luckily, because you couldn't have run this bloatware on those old mainframes. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
Well of course you have Win95 on that Thinkpad. Nothing newer from MS will run on it. I have a 750C myself, but it is running Linux like the new IBM e-servers. Old computer, up to the minute OS. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The

RE: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-08 Thread Alan Chan
I do think that some MS software just does not perform as specified: for example, Outlook continues to want to spell-check the text of the message included in my replies, even though I have set this off. Nor will it automatically check for new mail on the modem connection, although I know it

Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-08 Thread David A. Mann
Bill Owens writes: Don't try it. ME is on this machine and is unstable as hell. Frequently locks up for no apparent reason, won't close properly without turning power off and just generally a real pain in the ass. The only troubles I've had with ME so far is the occasional freeze-up