Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bucky" Subject: RE: Digital Photography > Digital cameras filter the soul right > out of the light. Light has soul?? Clams got hands WW

RE: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Bucky
No, sorry you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Digital cameras filter the soul right out of the light. PERIOD. > -Original Message- > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 3-Feb-04 21:50 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Digital Photography > Photography isn't technical data, i

Re: GFM plans

2004-02-03 Thread Ann Sanfedele
As it stands now, I'm planning on driving to GFM... figure I will spend thursday night at the home of some Scrabbler or other fairly nearby... If push comes to shove, I could sleep in the car I'm driving or someone could. After GFM I'm heading to St. Louis, then Chicago, then Cleveland and then u

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Bill, despite your cynicism the "grab" shots are often also the "money" shots... >From a business stand-point and mainly in reference to weddings and children's photography, spontaneity and candidature are essential. The shot I posted the other day that I "saved" after it being grossly underexpos

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:36:07 CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am not a dweeb, and I don't think I'm a dork. I'm pretty sure > I'm a geek. But I could be a nerd. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm a geek. Circus sideshow type. But I'm not pencil-necked. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Digital Photography > On 3 Feb 2004 at 17:42, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > Technical data doesn't make a strong image. > > Nor does the quality of a B&W print. I have seen some very strong images ruined by poor printing. I am of th

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: > ... may allow you in certain circumstances to get "that" grab shot > that could have been missed . Ah good - I feel much safer now that we are finally able to capture the critical mass of "grab shots" necessary to preserve our Earth's

more is better?

2004-02-03 Thread edwin
Shel argued that the recent ethic is for MORE images rather than for BETTER images, and cited a bunch of technical reasons why this might be so. A lot of these technical reasons involved the aesthetics of the finished print, which are important in one way but are only tangentially related to th

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #170

2004-02-03 Thread edwin
> > Alan Chan asked about the peculiar results he was seeing with the tripod > > collar on his 300/4.5 (i.e. less sharp results for long exposures than > > using the camera-body tropod mount). > > > > Apparently, it IS possible for a poorly designed tripod collar to be worse > > than no tripod col

Re: extended warrantees

2004-02-03 Thread graywolf
Kind of sounds like you had a manufacturer's extended warrenty (MEW). That is a quite a bit different beast then the usually worthless retail insurance policy (RIP) retailer's try to sell you. A MEW just lengthens the regular warrenty service of the product. It is as solid as the manufacturer/im

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread ernreed2
> On 3/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >P.S. I've noticed while reading the list using the word 'enabled' makes > >you sound like a dork. No offense ;) > > How to make friends and influence people! > > Anyway, we're not dorks, we're camera dweebs :) > > Butch I am not a dweeb, and

RE: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Bucky
Don't worry about it, Rob. It's pretentious, self-important drivel spoken entirely in Blowhardese. > -Original Message- > From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 3-Feb-04 18:04 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Digital Photography > I don't understand why there seems t

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread frank theriault
I don't know what everyone's getting all upset about. -frank the dork "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yep, about as dorky as hearing one refer to thei

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 Feb 2004 at 23:17, Eric Edvalson wrote: > P.S. I've noticed while reading the list using the word 'enabled' makes you > sound like a dork. No offense ;) Yo Dude, Each to his own I guess, I thought getting excited about a *ist was a little dorky :-) It sounds stuffed, sent it back (bu

Re: Pentax Optio 33WR

2004-02-03 Thread Butch Black
BTW, my friend did the whole trip on a Kawasaki single cylinder on-road/off-road bike (klr650 I think) Your friend is nuts! Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread mapson
Dude seems to be a hip word amongst teenagers these days. As I work with them I know how dude-y the conversation can get. I even heard them refer to Casper as "that ghost dude" - it was most comical! Robert from the dork-land, just 2000km south of Tanya tan. (who is going to ENABLE herself

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread Butch Black
On 3/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >P.S. I've noticed while reading the list using the word 'enabled' makes >you sound like a dork. No offense ;) How to make friends and influence people! Anyway, we're not dorks, we're camera dweebs :) Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - t

Re: extended warrantees

2004-02-03 Thread graywolf
I remember buying a monitor at Sears (on sale). SALESMAN: Would you like the extended warrenty? It covers you for 2 years instead of only 1 like the manufactures warrenty. ME: It says on the box it has a 4 year warrenty. SALESMAN: The extended warrenty covers the CRT for 2 years the manufacture

Upside Downness - was Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread John Coyle
No, no, no, Tom, this group has been advised before that Oz is not upside down at all. We are the only continent the right way up, and we can show you a map to prove it! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent:

Re: extended warrantees

2004-02-03 Thread John Francis
> > Sometimes the extended service plans make sense. Yep. We've got the 7year option on our Mini warranty. We now know just how much we'll be spending each year on maintenance and repairs - no surprises. (Which, after the Range Rover money sink, is a form of insurance I'm only too happy to hav

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
Seriously, I think it will help me produce some difficult shots. For example, the stock house I work with wanted me to do some tabletop shots that included a window frame shadow.I had trouble making this work on film with my studio strobes. With the digital, I can check results immediately and

Green tint on 35/3.5 was Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #164

2004-02-03 Thread Butch Black
There should be a green tint on at least one of the side, maybe only > at a certain angle. Although this is not always the case: the 35/3.5 > has no color at all on the front glass. SMC Takumar 35/3.5 does not have a multicoated front element, according to Gerjan. I just checked my K35/3.5 and

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Herb Chong
so that means you disagree with Shel since he said they are all getting worse. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Digital Photography > So, really, in regards to f

Re: extended warrantees

2004-02-03 Thread George Sinos
Earlier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote "They have been around for a long time as a vehicle to build retailer margins... Don't ever purchase them! " On the other hand, I bought my son a pretty good laptop computer just before he left for college from "a major mail-order computer maker" with a 3 year ex

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Herb Chong
such an arguement has been made about photography versus painting when photography was invented. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Digital Photography > Quality is subject

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Actually, that's not true. Knowing the technical data of an image does not make a strong image. However, a quality print, B&W or otherwise, can make a mediocre or poor image very strong indeed. Likewise in digital. In fact, we proved that here a couple of years ago. I scanned a neg and fiddled

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
I do think that their is merit in what Shel is saying. I think that for the likes of Ansel Adams etc, if you are shooting with glass plates, medium format etc, and you only have one or two frames left, you are really FORCED to THINK about what you are going to put into the photograph. You would p

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
> Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > What I've seen is just the opposite wrt to creating strong > > photos and powerful images. > > >From what I've seen of your photographs I expect that the type of photos that > you perceive to be strong and powerful will likely decline due to a shift in > public perce

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Eric wrote: " Hey dudes, I just hooked myself up with one of these little Pentax *ist slrs. It's pretty rad, I used to have a ZX-M. I hope you guys will help me P.S. I've noticed while reading the list using the word 'enabled' makes you sound like a dork. No offense ;)" Yep, about

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 3 Feb 2004 at 17:42, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Technical data doesn't make a strong image. Nor does the quality of a B&W print. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 198

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 3 Feb 2004 at 17:24, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > What I've seen is just the opposite wrt to creating strong > photos and powerful images. >From what I've seen of your photographs I expect that the type of photos that you perceive to be strong and powerful will likely decline due to a shift in pu

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Technical data doesn't make a strong image. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: > > I totall agree Rob... > > plus it records all the technical shooting > data for review after the fact."

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
But it is true, Herb Herb Chong wrote: > > everyone has said this every 5 years since forever. doesn't make it true. > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: Digit

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread John Francis
> > Now you know what we've been talking about! It is more fun than I > have had with a camera in a long time. Quite. Although, of course, some folks will continue to disparage it as a device for taking mediocre photographs with no soul. Still, you know who blames the tools ...

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Herb Chong
everyone has said this every 5 years since forever. doesn't make it true. Herb - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Digital Photography > What I've seen is just the opposite wrt

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
I totall agree Rob... Rob Studdert noted:">Isn't the first advice that any photographer gets is to shoot then shoot some more? The way I see it is that digital makes this easy given that there is no film costs plus it records all the technical shooting data for review after the fact." tan.

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
More does not, in and of itself, equal better, Herb. Herb Chong wrote: > > a double standard exists. it's too easy to take lots more, so it can't be > good for you, can it?

Re: buttocks,breasts, hobos, etc --e.g. fannies, (was * ist Digital Question)

2004-02-03 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
LOL!!! well, I took the liberty of retitling the thread! BTW, the other day I said to my baby after her bath, "quick come to mummy and get your nappy on, we can all see your fanny and your rudey bum"... My boys thought it was HILARIOUS and have spent the last week trying to fit the word "fanny" i

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
What I've seen is just the opposite wrt to creating strong photos and powerful images. The overall quality of photographs has dropped substantially in the past decade or so, and while digital cameras are not the only reason for this, they are one of the prime contributors. Do you know that there

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Herb Chong
a double standard exists. it's too easy to take lots more, so it can't be good for you, can it? Herb... - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Digital Photography > I don't understand wh

Re: tripod collar or not

2004-02-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:40:50 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > Have a look at the F 300/4.5, the collar is heavy and > mounted very close to the rear of the lens I positively LOVE both the F 300/4.5 and its tripod collar. That lens is so sharp it stands out in the viewfinder as being sharper. And t

Re: I know it was one of you

2004-02-03 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
All over the news here too! I mean I don't blame the parents who are upset over what is traditionally "family" viewing - there truly are enough boobs shoved in their faces via media as it is without adding to football! lol... tan. - Original Message - From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: GFM Update 3

2004-02-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:54:57 -0500, tom wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the correct count...I may have lost > the latest copy of this during the Computer Troubles. Anyway, > I count 19 - > > Doug Franklin? I'm _really_ sorry to say that I'm pretty unlikely to make it this year. I'm still trying

Re: GFM Update 3

2004-02-03 Thread Bill Owens
Add Norm (TX, I think) Bruce (CA) Bill - Original Message - From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: GFM Update 3 > I'm not sure if this is the correct count...I may have lost the latest copy > of this during the C

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread graywolf
Yep, I always call it losing an auction. Takes a real sucker like me to pay more than anyone else is willing to . -- Kenneth Waller wrote: Just like winning an auction. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Christian Skofteland
- Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So far it seems to be buttocks/breasts*, hobos, and prostitutes --e.g. fannies, > bums, & solicitors. And, they say we americans are strange. > > *Depending upon whether it is winter or summer where you are. Solicitors, where

Re: GFM plans

2004-02-03 Thread Bill Owens
Probably a small laminated tag that you'll receive when you register. Bill - Original Message - From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: GFM plans > Bill, > > Will we need a permit to camp? > > > Steve

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 3 Feb 2004 at 16:50, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Fun, Paul ... absolutely. But will it do anything to > improve your photographs or make you a better photographer. > I can do similar things with my hands but it won't make me a > better lover ;-)) I don't understand why there seems to be so many

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Fun, Paul ... absolutely. But will it do anything to improve your photographs or make you a better photographer. I can do similar things with my hands but it won't make me a better lover ;-)) Paul Stenquist wrote: > > For the past three days I've been shooting the *ist D with my > treasured K s

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread graywolf
So far it seems to be buttocks/breasts*, hobos, and prostitutes --e.g. fannies, bums, & solicitors. And, they say we americans are strange. *Depending upon whether it is winter or summer where you are. -- Steve Desjardins wrote: So, what do you think we should retitle this thread as? Steven

Re: I know it was one of you

2004-02-03 Thread Butch Black
Hi Bill, > I agree, it was truly awful! > >Steve Larson >Redondo Beach, California > > >- Original Message - >From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:09 AM >Subject: Re: I know it was one of you > > > > That was the finale to a tot

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread graywolf
So you Aussies are not only upside down, you are front to rear as well? How strange. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: This is too funny to me - in Australia, what we refer to as a "fanny" is in fact only found only on a lady and is the FRONT rather than the BACK of them, iykwim? We here, call what

Re: Pentax 135 f2.5

2004-02-03 Thread Andre Langevin
Ian, Quick way to distinguish the 135/2.5's... 1) The old original K135/2.5 has a 58mm front filter and bayonette mount. 2) The cheap Takumar 135/2.5 has a 52mm front filter, a bayonette mount, and the f stops are painted different colors (plus it has Takumar written right around the outside rim!

Re: Tripod collar or no collar?

2004-02-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 3 Feb 2004 at 18:42, Andre Langevin wrote: > >When I want a lack of vibration I use my Manfrotto 058/225 > >combination, anything else is a compromise. > >Rob Studdert > > What about Berlebach wooden tripods? I've heard a lot about them but never used them, the only experience I've had usin

Re: Tripod collar or no collar?

2004-02-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 3 Feb 2004 at 15:52, Alan Chan wrote: > I haven't seen the 058, but 055 & 190 only. I don't know much about > Manfrotto CF tripods. I have found the Gitzo G1349 is more resistance to > vibration than their own aluminium equivalences. But the interesting > question is, shouldn't the results b

Re: GFM Update 3

2004-02-03 Thread Herb Chong
things are looking less and less likely for me. there is a scheduling conflict that i probably can't get out of. Herb - Original Message - From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: GFM Update 3 > I'm not sure if

RE: *ist D pricing

2004-02-03 Thread Len Paris
Oh my gosh! Do you mean that dealers might not be passing the savings on to their customers? Heaven forbid! That would be a first! ;-) Len * "She drove me to drink. That's the one thing I'm indebted to her for." W.C. Fields > >Well, Adorama now lists a $100 manufacturer rebate on the ist D >

RE: OT portable data storage and image viewer

2004-02-03 Thread alex wetmore
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Amita Guha wrote: > > I haven't seen anyone mention the Vosonic V-MP3H DIGITAL DATA > > PLAYER as yet, no > > zoom and only jpeg caompatibility but it's a step in the > > right direction and > > relatively inexpensive. > > > http://www.vosonic.co.uk/vmp3h.html > > It didn't say

RE: D70 preview posted (uses same sensor as *ist D)

2004-02-03 Thread Len Paris
Doesn't the *ist D use the same sensor as the D100? Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > I take it back - the sensor is not the same as the *ist D's. > Apologies.

RE: OT portable data storage and image viewer

2004-02-03 Thread Amita Guha
> I haven't seen anyone mention the Vosonic V-MP3H DIGITAL DATA > PLAYER as yet, no > zoom and only jpeg caompatibility but it's a step in the > right direction and > relatively inexpensive. > http://www.vosonic.co.uk/vmp3h.html It didn't say how many gigabytes the hard drive was. It said "an

Re: GFM plans

2004-02-03 Thread Norm Baugher
Yes, it must be obtained from Tom and Frank. The price I believe is somewhere between 6 and 12 beers. Norm P.S. I don't think so, you just have to reserve a spot in advance. Steve Desjardins wrote: Bill, Will we need a permit to camp?

Re: extended warrantees

2004-02-03 Thread Norm Baugher
I bought a little Kodak digital camera (for snaps) last year. They guy tried to sell me an extended warranty. I asked how long the manufacturers warranty was, he said one year. I told him "dude, if this thing breaks after one year, by that time, for less than the price of the warranty I'll be a

Re: D70 preview posted (uses same sensor as *ist D)

2004-02-03 Thread Christian
I thought it used a newer 6MP CCD. The ist-D shares the sensor from the D100 right? Christian - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: D70 preview posted (uses same sensor as *ist

Re: D70 preview posted (uses same sensor as *ist D)

2004-02-03 Thread Cotty
I take it back - the sensor is not the same as the *ist D's. Apologies. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk

Re: GFM plans

2004-02-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
Bill, Will we need a permit to camp? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread bucky
There's a chain of fabric stores here in Canada called "Fanny's Fabrics". Laugh it up. Quoting mapson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At 11:29 PM 3/02/2004 +1000, you wrote: > >This is too funny to me - in Australia, what we refer to as a "fanny" is in > >fact only found only on a lady and is the FRONT

Re: extended warrantees

2004-02-03 Thread Rfsindg
The Sears salesman asked if we wanted one on our air conditioner in 1971. My wife worked in the home office of Sears and we knew they were pure profit for Sears and a very expensive insurance policy for us. We havn't bought any for anything in the last 30 years, and I can't remember ever being

Re: Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
;-)) I don't think I'd go that far in saying that it's like industrial music (if my understanding of the term is correct), but it sure requires (imo) a different sensibility and approach. I've used several DSLR cameras, and none gave me the comfortable feeling that I get from the Leica, MX, Spott

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - > Damn, there as wise a** in every group. (I thought that was my job). Peter, We're just drooling for the job. Jostein

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread mapson
At 11:29 PM 3/02/2004 +1000, you wrote: This is too funny to me - in Australia, what we refer to as a "fanny" is in fact only found only on a lady and is the FRONT rather than the BACK of them, iykwim? We here, call what you are referring to, a BUM! lol AND rather than "fanny pack", it is a "bum b

D70 preview posted (uses same sensor as *ist D)

2004-02-03 Thread Cotty
Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk

Re: Shootin' Kids

2004-02-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
Oh boy. She's adorable. You stand no chance at all . . .. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Steve Desjardins
So, what do you think we should retitle this thread as? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/03/04 01:17PM >>> Yes, During the first week of what would become a

Re: Humble review of "Wet" PUG

2004-02-03 Thread Flavio Minelli
Thanks Boris, thank you for the return, I guess ;-))). Don't worry. Actually the image on the gallery looks worse than expected but I agree I could have cohsen a better shot to start my new life in the PUG...well, win a few, lose a few... Boris Liberman wrote: > > ... > > " Crumbling Church " b

Re: I got an *ist (film)

2004-02-03 Thread Kenneth Waller
Just like winning an auction. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: Re: I got an *ist (film) > On 3/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >P.S. I've noticed while readi

Digital Photography

2004-02-03 Thread Bob Blakely
Is like "Industrial" music. It has no soul. Sorry... Just lamenting the eventual demise of film and my beloved LXen. I can hear the voices of the future now, "A film camera. How quaint!" Regards, Bob... - "They call it PMS because 'Mad Cow Disease'

RE: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Hay Cesar, I have a Marmot Walkabout, top quality gear with a nice range >of products. ROTFL. So you like to eat in the barn with horses or what? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps

Re: GFM plans

2004-02-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >You're still reserved for PDML Central, as is annsan. They only changes >that MAY be made will be if Cory shows up with his trailer, in which case we >can rearrange accommodations if necessary. > >I do plan on bringing our son's tent in the event someone n

Re: more *ist D pricing news...

2004-02-03 Thread Daichi Saeki (QA/EMC)
>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:32:55 -0600 >From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: more *ist D pricing news.. >I don't know where you are getting your numbers. >It sounds like you are comparing prices of a lowball US dealer >(B&H) with a high end botique in Cana

Re: Website update

2004-02-03 Thread Robert Gonzalez
Very interesting. Makes me realize that there's alot more to all of us here than the impressions left through PDML messages! Esp liked reading your journal and your meanderings. I'll have to drop you a note sometime on my thoughts around these. rg graywolf wrote: Been finally doing things t

Re: Pentax Optio 33WR

2004-02-03 Thread Christian
First of all you said: "Even though this is a Pentax list this isn't the normal subject of the list, so feel free to reply to me directly." Why do you say this? What is the "normal" subject of this list if it isn't all things Pentax? Anyway, on to your question about the 33WR... A friend bought

Re: more *ist D pricing news...

2004-02-03 Thread Peter Alling
I don't know what stores you're familiar with but from my experience some do give a commission on their extended warrantees, a quite substantial one in some cases. In others I suspect that it gets passed directly on to either department managers or store managers. At 11:59 AM 2/3/04, you wrote

RE: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Peter Alling
And I should really learn to type... At 01:24 PM 2/3/04, you wrote: Damn, there as wise a** in every group. (I thought that was my job). At 03:42 AM 2/3/04, you wrote: Hi, Cesar wrote: > Can I find a larger fanny pack? How big is your fanny likely to grow? m I drink to make other people inte

Re: *ist D pricing

2004-02-03 Thread Peter Alling
Pentax is price protecting retailers. I spoke to the locals who have *ist-D's in house. They sold one at a considerable discount before the announced price reduction and the owner was lamenting that he probably couldn't get the dealers rebate since he sold the camera before it was announced. At 1

Re: tripod collar or not

2004-02-03 Thread Jostein
I don't know the 300/4.5, but I have had some issues with the FA*400/5.6 at long exposure times. Especially when rotated to portrait position. It performs better with the MZ-S than with Z-1, presumably because the MZ-S shutter is better damped. Bjørn's work on Nikon lenses is very interesting, and

Re: *ist D pricing

2004-02-03 Thread Peter Alling
That will happen at all of the smaller volume dealers who were selling or advertising it at close to list. Then the big boys will start offering discounts. At 10:47 AM 2/3/04, you wrote: Well, Adorama now lists a $100 manufacturer rebate on the ist D (something I was unaware Pentax was offering),

RE: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Peter Alling
Damn, there as wise a** in every group. (I thought that was my job). At 03:42 AM 2/3/04, you wrote: Hi, Cesar wrote: > Can I find a larger fanny pack? How big is your fanny likely to grow? m I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Bill Owens
Remember when the word gay meant happy? Bill > Time can be as great a divide as space, too. The other day I re-read > an Agatha Christie story which was set at a country house party (gosh!). > One of the guests, being bored, apparently spent the afternoon lazily > making love to his hostess in t

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread Otis Wright
Yes, During the first week of what would become an 11-year sojourn in 'Oz, I had this explained quite graphically to me by young lady during a mixed conference meeting of about 20 persons.Took about a week for normal colour to return to my face. Never forgot that one. Was reminded by some

Re: more *ist D pricing news...

2004-02-03 Thread Bill Owens
The only extended warranties I would consider would be for used vehicles and road hazard for new tires. Bill > Extended warrantees are almost entirely profit. Especially in electronics.

Pentax Optio 33WR

2004-02-03 Thread alex wetmore
I'm looking for a pocketable digital camera to use as a P&S for when we aren't using the *ist D and that my wife is comfortable using. It's first trip will be the beach in Mexico and I'll probably carry it on a lot of bike rides in a sweaty jersey pocket, so the new generation of water resistant ca

Re: * ist Digital Question

2004-02-03 Thread John Francis
> > This is too funny to me - in Australia, what we refer to as a "fanny" is in > fact only found only on a lady and is the FRONT rather than the BACK of > them, iykwim? That's the UK usage, too. Gave me quite a shock the first time I read some US piece of fiction that described somebody who, on

Re: more *ist D pricing news...

2004-02-03 Thread Peter Alling
Extended warrantees are almost entirely profit. Especially in electronics. At 02:08 AM 2/3/04, you wrote: On Feb 3, 2004, at 08:56, mike wilson wrote: A friend purchased some extended warranties with some new appliances. She only bought them because they could be redeemed after five years for go

Re: *ist D pricing

2004-02-03 Thread Bruce Dayton
This is about what my local store seems to be doing. They were under MSRP already. They have lowered their price by $100 to a new price of $1390. We may not see a true $300 street price drop until all current stock is sold. PMA should be interesting! -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, February

Q: Motor Drive A

2004-02-03 Thread Matti Etelapera
Hi, how does the shutter release on this motor drive work? Is it completely electrical unlike the Winder ME II, which has a vibration producing mechanical release? All other comments are also welcome on the Motor Drive A. Thanks! -Matti

Re: pentax as an innovator, and quality

2004-02-03 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 03.02.04 10:50, Alan Chan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not to mention the AF noise scared some shy animals away. Don't laugh, it > happens. :-) That's funny, beacuse for instance dogs (and some other animals too) are very sensitive to ultrasounds inaudible to men. For them sounds from USM dri

Re: pentax as an innovator, and quality

2004-02-03 Thread Alan Chan
Not to mention the AF noise scared some shy animals away. Don't laugh, it happens. :-) Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan The real reason, of course, is so the motor can be sized appropriately for the job at hand. When you use a Pentax AF camera the same motor has to be able to foc

Re: ME-Super buttons, was: pentax as an innovator, and quality

2004-02-03 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Malcolm Smith wrote: > reasons as you. It's also a physically smaller camera, which though ideal > for it's original purchase, doesn't suit me. The ME Winder II helps a lot in this respect. Kostas

Re: pentax as an innovator, and quality

2004-02-03 Thread Alan Chan
Sure it existed back then. :-) My first camera, XR-P, with a large shutter speed dial which can be turned with the thumb easily. Really great design camera, better than any Pentax manual focus cameras, but suffered from poor materials. :-( Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan A th

Tripod collar or no collar?

2004-02-03 Thread Alan Chan
Just when I thought the tripod collar of the F*300/4.5 should be a pro, I went out and did some shooting on RVP100F just to see how much improvement it actually made. I took 4 sets of pictures with this lens using the Z-1p (right, no *ist D, can't afford it yet ) at every stop (4.5, 5.6, 8, 11,

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