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But I mea culpa'd in the very next message. A true blue American would know that a stars-right flag is correct for the starboard side, while this dinky di Aussie was reacting to a flag that seemed backwards, but has a logical reason for the superficially apparent, but non-existant blunder.

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On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >We would have made quite the pair. In 7th grade (72-73) I was about >4'8". I probably came up to about your navel at the time. There were a few girls in a similar situation if I recall... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit

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> On 18 October 2017 at 02:58 Stanley Halpin > wrote: > > > > > On Oct 17, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > > > > > Steve Cottrell wrote: > >> On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> > >>> IIRC Cotty was a year

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived >>> something less than a mile closer to the other we

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Steve Cottrell wrote: On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the same Jr. High School at the same time. Joaquin Miller Jr High. I

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On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived >something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the >same Jr. High School at the same time. Joaquin Miller Jr High. I would have waved hi from

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Steve Cottrell wrote: On 17/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: Cool. You say, "school." High school or college? Made it to the end of my sophomore year at Lynbrook High School IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived something less than a mile

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On 17/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cool. You say, "school." High school or college? Made it to the end of my sophomore year at Lynbrook High School -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News --

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Speak for yourself. On 10/16/2017 19:26, Eric Weir wrote: On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, though

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When painted on the side of ANY vehicle, the US flag is always depicted as if streaming in the wind, i.e. with the field towards the front of the vehicle. Compare the various views shown of left & right sides in Google Images: http://tinyurl.com/yd4dl6ou Nothing in the image is flipped. It's

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 9:09 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> But seriously, did you really? > > Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in north > America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years

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On 17/10/17, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cotty and I swapped countries (I pretty much left the UK in 1978, and got to >the Us in 1980 with a year-long stopover in New Zealand). But it took me >another 15 years to get to California - I got delayed for a while in New >England.

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Cotty and I swapped countries (I pretty much left the UK in 1978, and got to the Us in 1980 with a year-long stopover in New Zealand). But it took me another 15 years to get to California - I got delayed for a while in New England. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 09:15:33AM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola

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On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:16 AM Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Steve said: "Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. > I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which > were in Santa Clara." > > Oh, you were in Kalifornia.

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Oh, you were in Kalifornia. That's not exactly "America" by the standards > of the other states. Truer to America than you know who and where.

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Steve said: "Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were in Santa Clara." Oh, you were in Kalifornia. That's not exactly "America" by the standards of the other states. Dan Matyola

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On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed: >But seriously, did you really? Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were in Santa Clara. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and ||

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 16/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not >> compared to Australians and Brits. > > Hey my caveat is that I grew up in the USA.

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 16/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not >> compared to Australians and Brits. > > Hey my caveat is that I grew up in the USA.

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On 16/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: >Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not >compared to Australians and Brits. Hey my caveat is that I grew up in the USA. That should count for something surely. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot /

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> On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: > > I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it > have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, > though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled.

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What I was confused by are two things: 1. That building corner "flattened" looks too flat. But maybe that's due to the compression by the long lens used. 2. The sape of the broken window on the left. If you compare photos #3 and #4 here:

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and I didn't even know it -was- Air Force One - all the stuff on the plane is blurry what bothered me most was the size of the plane and it's proximity to the building and what I already said to mike :-) But if you showed me a photo of Air force one on the ground, without a POTUS emerging

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> On 14 October 2017 at 14:31 Steve Cottrell wrote: > > > On 14/10/17, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Well, I just checked images of Air Force One, and it does indeed display > >the flag stars to the right on the starboard side. It must be an exception > >to

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On 14/10/17, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed: >Well, I just checked images of Air Force One, and it does indeed display >the flag stars to the right on the starboard side. It must be an exception >to the protocol so that the flag "flutters" behind the imaginary flagstaff >in the correct

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Well, I just checked images of Air Force One, and it does indeed display the flag stars to the right on the starboard side. It must be an exception to the protocol so that the flag "flutters" behind the imaginary flagstaff in the correct direction of travel. Disregard my previous comment, sigh

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Recently, because of US flag respect/disrespect controversies, I read the US governments guidelines about the display and handling of the Stars-and-Stripes, or images of it. One of the requirements was that representations of the flag should be imaged as if the flagstaff was on the left, and

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So it looks like the picture is possible after all. I was somethat thrown by the caption, which, as in the article Larry found, says something like "AF1 flies past the broken windows" Clearly, it is flying behind the whole hotel. > On 13 October 2017 at 22:18 John

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I also found this regarding "right turn" departures from McCarran International Airport. https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/effort-to-change-flights-on-brink/ On 10/13/2017 13:59, mike wilson wrote: On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: More likely it would be a

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> On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: > > > More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. > > http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS > > Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at > McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should

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Reuters is probably more sensitive since they've already been burned a couple of times in the 2006 Lebanon War. On 10/12/2017 19:37, Paul Stenquist wrote: I see some leaping to conclusions here, but it's not important. I know I wouldn't risk faking a photo for the Times. They would pull my

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McCarran International has more than one runway. On 10/12/2017 18:14, mike wilson wrote: On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the plane should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele wrote: The plane

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On 10/12/2017 17:29, Larry Colen wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? There is some aspect of "can we trust the news?", but for me it's mostly interesting as a puzzle.  Could that picture have been taken?

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More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or turn right.

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> On 13 October 2017 at 01:33 ann sanfedele wrote: > > > Yeah - kinda what I said... but there is another reason... The planes > _usually_ take off to the west, because of the prevailing winds ... > > Mike - where is the article that these photos were in? It was on the BBC

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> On 13 October 2017 at 00:07 Larry Colen wrote: > > John Francis wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so > >> the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and

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> On 12 October 2017 at 23:27 Steve Cottrell wrote: > > > On 12/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so > >the plane > >should be much larger. > > Did you not know that a half-scale

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Yep. Still broken when the photo was taken. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> The windows have already been replaced, according to news reports. > > Ann asked about the article: >

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Paul Stenquist wrote: The windows have already been replaced, according to news reports. Ann asked about the article: https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/trump-visits-las-vegas-idUSRTS1F5J0 The caption for the photo says: Air Force One departs Las Vegas past the broken windows on the

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Yeah - kinda what I said... but there is another reason... The planes _usually_ take off to the west, because of the prevailing winds ... Mike - where is the article that these photos were in? ann On 10/12/2017 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul

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John and I came to same conclusion from slightly  different , um, angles... OTOH..  couldn't it be that Reuter's never intended the photos to be viewed as one? ann On 10/12/2017 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows

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The windows have already been replaced, according to news reports. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so

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I see some leaping to conclusions here, but it's not important. I know I wouldn't risk faking a photo for the Times. They would pull my credentials permanently if I were caught. Don't know what Reuters policy is, but I would think it's similar. Of course that doesn't mean someone wouldn't make

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John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction

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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the > photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to > day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. The

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mike wilson wrote: >On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the >plane >should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. Oh, and Reuters is the agency that banned their photographers from shooting raw in the name of photographic integrity. That makes it a double LOL. >>

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Yes - that is how I viewed it - a picture puzzle. ann On 10/12/2017 5:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? There is some aspect of "can we trust the news?", but for me it's mostly interesting

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On 12/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: >On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so >the plane >should be much larger. Did you not know that a half-scale replica model of Air Force One always flies 30 seconds in front of the real Air Force one to act

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Well I did kinda live there for a while so had some advantage ann On 10/12/2017 6:14 PM, mike wilson wrote: On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the plane should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele

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Paul - the side of the building with the broken pieces are facing the runways on Mccaren..  the plane would not be going up from where there was not airport I didn't know it was air force one - can only see it is a plane... On 10/12/2017 5:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the

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On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the plane should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. > On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele wrote: > > > The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction > given where the

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I think it could have been taken, given the location of the airport and the three tower architecture of the hotel. The DOF seems about right for a lens of 300 to 400 mm. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >>

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Paul Stenquist wrote: Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? There is some aspect of "can we trust the news?", but for me it's mostly interesting as a puzzle. Could that picture have been taken? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com

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Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Larry Colen

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Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and >> the

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Paul Stenquist wrote: Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? The article it's from was about Trump

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Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele

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The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that..  but it is surely a photoshop paste job. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic?

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There's no convenient line of sight that includes the flight path of Air Force One and Mandalay Bay? On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: > What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? > > https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_ >