Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/12/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/11/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got a couple machines that I expect to climb in value over the next 10 years, but they're working NeXT slab's, which aren't exactly common (only

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread Ryan Brooks
Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/12/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/11/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got a couple machines that I expect to climb in value over the next 10 years, but they're working

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I've got a 4-processor Onyx with RealityEngine2 here that I'd love to sell... Space-heater? ;-) -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread Ryan Brooks
Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got a 4-processor Onyx with RealityEngine2 here that I'd love to sell... Space-heater? ;-) No kidding! I measured the draw and decided not to run it at home. Neat system, was better in a colo where I didn't have to pay for power. -- PDML

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread frank theriault
On 9/13/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have I mentioned how much I hate you? vbg Seriously, I've been eyeballing an O2 and a Superwide. You know, just to have yet another practical, useful device laying around. Hey guys, Stop being geeks. cheers, frank LOL -- Sharpness

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Hey guys, Stop being geeks. ... but that's unpossible! -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* *

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread frank theriault
On 9/13/06, Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... but that's unpossible! LOL! -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/13/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, Stop being geeks. I'll stop being a geek when you stop taking fuzzy pictures. ;) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread frank theriault
On 9/13/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, Stop being geeks. I'll stop being a geek when you stop taking fuzzy pictures. ;) What exactly are you trying to say? -frank g -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-13 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/13/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, Stop being geeks. I'll stop being a geek when you stop taking fuzzy pictures. ;) What exactly are you

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-12 Thread David Mann
On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:47 AM, John Francis wrote: In that case, my gear must be gaining value as antiques. Speaking as an expert in the field (or at least an expert by marriage; my wife works at the Computer History Museum) it's a rare piece of computer equipment that's worth more than scrap

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-12 Thread gfen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Cory Papenfuss wrote: You too, eh? I got a TurboColor Slab awhile back and put a virgin OpenStep 4.2 install on it. Wish I had the correct cables to connect to the sound boxes and monitor. Really was a purdy machine. I have two complete units at my desk,

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-12 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Cory Papenfuss wrote: You too, eh? I got a TurboColor Slab awhile back and put a virgin OpenStep 4.2 install on it. Wish I had the correct cables to connect to the sound boxes and monitor. Really was a purdy machine. I have two complete units at my desk,

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-12 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/11/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got a couple machines that I expect to climb in value over the next 10 years, but they're working NeXT slab's, which aren't exactly common (only about 10,000 made). You too, eh? I got a TurboColor Slab

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-12 Thread Adam Maas
Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/11/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got a couple machines that I expect to climb in value over the next 10 years, but they're working NeXT slab's, which aren't exactly common (only about 10,000 made). You too, eh? I got a

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-12 Thread gfen
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Cory Papenfuss wrote: The monitors are nothing special anymore. At the time they were pretty high-resolution ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or so), but now you'd just need an adapter to physically connect to a VGA monitor. That's how I got mine up and running... soldered up

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Then it's worth a lot, just not as a trade in or for resale. But if it works well and helps make good photos - especially photos that sell, or even photos that please you, family, and friends - then it's worth a lot more than the book value. My old film cameras are worth more than what I can get

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread mike wilson
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/11 Mon AM 06:18:33 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A caution about aging technology Then it's worth a lot, just not as a trade in or for resale. But if it works well and helps make good photos - especially

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread David Mann
On Sep 11, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster upgrade may be the cheaper way to go. In that case, my gear must be gaining

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Toralf Lund
A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster upgrade may be the cheaper way to go. I rather doubt that it will be cheaper in total. You may loose less each time you upgrade,

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread graywolf
I believe that is still the current model. Watch what happens when it is no longer current. Also it is a high end model which will aways seem to hold its value a bit better than the low end jobbies, a matter of scarcity if nothing else. But then again, anything that does what you need it to is

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread graywolf
Closeout prices are often less than the used price for the same item. A way to get something new, use it for awhile, then get your money back. Of course you will never have the latest stuff, will you? -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof ==

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread mike wilson
Tom, if you type as slowly as you would need to for 1MHz, you are older than you look. Or you need a younger woman to feel. 8-) From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/11 Mon PM 01:32:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A caution about aging technology

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/9/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe that is still the current model. Tom, the current model is now the EOS1D mark II n best, -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread graywolf
a younger woman to feel. 8-) From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/11 Mon PM 01:32:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: A caution about aging technology I believe that is still the current model. Watch what happens when it is no longer current. Also

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I can only presume you mean 1Ghz. The industry passed the 1Mhz clock rate in personal computer cpus sometime around 1982. I've seen a general plateauing of performance for things like word processing and spreadsheet since 1996 or so, but there is NO comparison in the speed of processing

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 10, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster upgrade may be the cheaper way to go. What was

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 08:21:39PM +1200, David Mann wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster upgrade may

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 09:32:21AM -0400, graywolf wrote: As an aside on computers, my current computer is old, 6-7 years now, but it still runs all the current software and does the job adequately. They are not going functionally obsolete as quickly as they used to, a sign of a more

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
turn over old equipment for newer equipment that poses an advantage for my use all the time. I just don't see what the point of equating value with dollars is or posting a pronouncement that this is a caution about aging technology. - If the old equipment does what you need, what it's worth

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
John Francis wrote: On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 08:21:39PM +1200, David Mann wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Gonz
A working IMSAI 8800 (8080?) seems to be another one that has appreciated also, at least last time I checked. I've seem them go for thousands of $ on ebay. Remember those? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 08:21:39PM +1200, David Mann wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 6:27 AM,

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread John Francis
The IMSAI (and it's contemporaries) pre-date the mass computer market - they were the hobbyist computers of choice (at least until the Apple came along). They're uncommon, but not exactly rare. Finding one that's still in working condition is a bit harder - they were home-assembled, so the

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IMSAI (and it's contemporaries) pre-date the mass computer market - they were the hobbyist computers of choice (at least until the Apple came along). They're uncommon, but not exactly rare. Finding one that's still in working condition is a bit harder - they

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I've got a couple machines that I expect to climb in value over the next 10 years, but they're working NeXT slab's, which aren't exactly common (only about 10,000 made). You too, eh? I got a TurboColor Slab awhile back and put a virgin OpenStep 4.2 install on it. Wish I had the

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
John Francis wrote: The IMSAI (and it's contemporaries) pre-date the mass computer market - they were the hobbyist computers of choice (at least until the Apple came along). They're uncommon, but not exactly rare. Finding one that's still in working condition is a bit harder - they were

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Francis wrote: The IMSAI (and it's contemporaries) pre-date the mass computer market - they were the hobbyist computers of choice (at least until the Apple came along). They're uncommon, but not exactly rare. Finding one that's still in working condition is a

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got a couple machines that I expect to climb in value over the next 10 years, but they're working NeXT slab's, which aren't exactly common (only about 10,000 made). You too, eh? I got a TurboColor Slab awhile back and put a virgin OpenStep 4.2 install on

A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster upgrade may be the cheaper way to go. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://www.brendemuehl.net http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com

RE: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread Bob W
That's right - buy stuff when the seller tells you to. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Collin R Brendemuehl Sent: 10 September 2006 19:27 To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: A caution about aging technology

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread David J Brooks
Value yes, but quality, no. My D1, which is still use and love, was when i bought it a $5000.00 camera, in 2001, and now about $800-900 Canadian. It still haowever takes the same quality picture it didi in 2001. Thats all that matters to me anyway. Dave Quoting Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread mike wilson
From: Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/10 Sun PM 06:27:15 GMT To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: A caution about aging technology A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/9/06, Collin R Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed: A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster upgrade may be the cheaper way to go. Interesting. I just looked at current

RE: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread Jens Bladt
77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Cotty Sendt: 10. september 2006 21:50 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: A caution about aging technology On 10/9/06, Collin R Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)
In this kind of technology, most of the value of newer products is in the research and development. Manufacturing plays a smaller part, especially for high-end newest toys. Over time, competition pushes prices down while the technology becomes mainstream. Under this pressure, the manufacturing

Re: Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread Juan Buhler
My istD used to take 6MP photos in 2004. Now it is down to 1600x1200, and that's only when I shoot cats and flowers. Also, it takes Canon lenses now. I better upgrade before I gets even worse... :) j On 9/10/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Value yes, but quality, no. My D1,

Re: A caution about aging technology

2006-09-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 10, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: A consideration: We must remember that these DSLRs are now just computers and the longer we hang onto older technology the faster it loses value. The faster upgrade may be the cheaper way to go. What was your motivation in posting