On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 08:25:06AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
I had a K20D and a K10D. The K20D was my every day camera, and the
K10D was a backup. When the K7 was introduced I bought one and sold
the K10. Believe me, the K7D is a big step up from the K20. Exposure
DON'T SAY THINGS
2009/10/5 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
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Tom C wrote:
Not being argumentative, just thinking out loud and thinking that
because of the short life cycle of digital products, maybe our
parameters for measuring them should also be changing.
Before the introduction of the *ist D, this was discussed at length and from
memory, most of
Malcolm,
You held out a long time and will be blown away by the K-7.
Anti-shake, more pixels, better rendering,,,you're gonna love it!
Some adjustment of your photo processing software hardware may be necessary.
I still have my original *ist DS.
It has been superceded by better offerings from
Bob Sullivan wrote:
You held out a long time and will be blown away by the K-7.
Anti-shake, more pixels, better rendering,,,you're gonna love it!
Some adjustment of your photo processing software hardware may be
necessary.
I still have my original *ist DS.
It has been superceded by better
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Subject: RE: DPR review of K-7
Tom C wrote:
Not being argumentative, just thinking out loud and thinking that
because of the short life cycle of digital products, maybe our
Steve Desjardins wrote:
I have an *istD sitting right behind me in my office at work. It's the
official dept. camera. We will continue to use it until it breaks. We
just don't' need more MP or AF speed. Eventually, I think that more
cameras will be like that. $2000 or less, 32 MP,
: RE: DPR review of K-7
Tom C wrote:
Not being argumentative, just thinking out loud and thinking that
because of the short life cycle of digital products, maybe our
parameters for measuring them should also be changing.
Before the introduction of the *ist D, this was discussed at length
[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Malcolm Smith
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Tom C wrote:
Not being argumentative, just thinking out loud and thinking that
because of the short life cycle of digital products
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote:
I have an *istD sitting right behind me in my office at work. It's the
official dept. camera. We will continue to use it until it breaks. We just
don't' need more MP or AF speed. Eventually, I think that more
war...@gmail.com wrote:
From: William Robb war...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
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Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:40 PM
- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
Yeah, as much as I've given reasons
much leave it there
for similar lighting conditions. The K10D is all over the place.
It tends to be frustrating
Dave
Jack
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
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, 10/3/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
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Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:40 PM
- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
Yeah, as much
Jim King wrote:
You don't have to cope with larger files; just set the resolution to
10MP (or even less, if you want) and image file size will be the same as
with the K10D.
Um, yeah, right. I'm going to spend a thousand bucks on a new camera,
then I'm going to detune the resolution. I
Tom C wrote:
I've got an *istD and another derivative of it sitting on the shelf
collecting dust, and I see the K20D soon becoming a paper-weight as
well.
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On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
The Pentax K-7 manages to combine
... etc ...
On the other hand, it would appear that if if you've got a K20, the
K-7 gets you the exact same image quality, plus video, in a nicer
package. Which is a tough sell for
John Francis wrote:
o K10D owners who passed on the K20 because it wasn't a big upgrade.
(that probably includes quite a large number of folks, like me,
who started on digital with a *ist-D, and moved on to a K10D).
That would be me all right.
Boris
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John Francis wrote:
o K10D owners who passed on the K20 because it wasn't a big
upgrade.
(that probably includes quite a large number of folks, like me,
who started on digital with a *ist-D, and moved on to a K10D).
That would be me all right.
Boris
Me too. That makes at
2009/10/3 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
On the other hand, it would appear that if if you've got a K20, the
K-7 gets you the exact same image quality, plus video, in a nicer
package. Which is a tough sell for $1000+.
I agree. As long as we only measure the two cameras on image quality and
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:03 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/10/3 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
On the other hand, it would appear that if if you've got a K20, the
K-7 gets you the exact same image quality, plus video, in a nicer
package. Which is a tough sell for $1000+.
I
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote:
pentax is officially 'semi-pro' now... :)
Thats good, my work is semi good, so it should fit right in.,
Dave
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk7/
gets a 'highly recommended'
quote
The final word
The Pentax K-7
pentax is officially 'semi-pro' now... :)
Thats good, my work is semi good, so it should fit right in.,
Dave
Oh, I see - so you think you're better than the rest of us, do you?
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That makes four of us.
Hanging back for (hopefully) an edition model with matching grip. Then
again, the japanese market silver K20D was gruesome...
Cheers
Ecke
2009/10/3 Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net:
John Francis wrote:
o K10D owners who passed on the K20 because it wasn't a big
On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 08:47:49AM +0100, Chris Mitchell wrote:
John Francis wrote:
o K10D owners who passed on the K20 because it wasn't a big
upgrade.
(that probably includes quite a large number of folks, like me,
who started on digital with a *ist-D, and moved on to a
Nice grades for the K7. I find it interesting that in RAW mode high
ISO, both the K7 and K20D perform as well as the NIkon D300, with the
K20D leading the way by a small margin. Jpeg is another story as Canon
and Nikon apply a lot of in-camera noise reduction, but the results
are
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 8:20 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
Nice grades for the K7. I find it interesting that in RAW mode high ISO,
both the K7 and K20D perform as well as the NIkon D300, with the K20D
leading the way by a small margin. Jpeg is another story as Canon and
I had a K20D and a K10D. The K20D was my every day camera, and the
K10D was a backup. When the K7 was introduced I bought one and sold
the K10. Believe me, the K7D is a big step up from the K20. Exposure
is much better, the faster write speed is a blessing, and the
autofocus is superior in
Paul,
Like you, I sold a K10d before the K7 came out (after seeing the K7 @ GFM).
I've kept the K20d but it doesn't get much usage. I like the K7 much better.
Along with your comments, I'd mention speed and battery life.
I had the frame rate turned up to high and returned it to low yesterday.
2009/10/3 Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com:
pentax is officially 'semi-pro' now... :)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk7/
gets a 'highly recommended'
quote
The final word
The Pentax K-7 manages to combine superb build quality, comprehensive
customization options, excellent ergonomics
2009/10/3 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
I had a K20D and a K10D. The K20D was my every day camera, and the K10D was
a backup. When the K7 was introduced I bought one and sold the K10. Believe
me, the K7D is a big step up from the K20. Exposure is much better, the
faster write speed
2009/10/3 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
That should read When the K20D came out...
When the K20D I was a bit surprised by how all the forums blabbed
about it being a minor upgrade from K10D, despite the facts. They
are two very, very different beasts. The K10D was probably as good as
any
Chris Mitchell wrote:
John Francis wrote:
o K10D owners who passed on the K20 because it wasn't a big
upgrade.
(that probably includes quite a large number of folks, like me,
who started on digital with a *ist-D, and moved on to a K10D).
That would be me all right.
Boris
Me too.
David J Brooks wrote:
I have no use for video, but faster AF would help me out a lot. I tend
to lose a lot of shots with the K10 do to its slow hunt and peck AF.
Thus the keeping of the Nikon stuff.
I want it for the faster AF and the faster frame rate, primarily. The
bigger sensor
- Original Message -
From: Tim Bray
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
On the other hand, it would appear that if if you've got a K20, the
K-7 gets you the exact same image quality, plus video, in a nicer
package. Which is a tough sell for $1000+.
Not really.
William Robb
AlunFoto wrote:
When the K20D I was a bit surprised by how all the forums blabbed
about it being a minor upgrade from K10D, despite the facts. They
are two very, very different beasts. The K10D was probably as good as
any APS-C CCD sensor could get, and Pentax used a 22 bit A/D converter
to make
Mark Roberts wrote:
AlunFoto wrote:
When the K20D I was a bit surprised by how all the forums blabbed
about it being a minor upgrade from K10D, despite the facts. They
are two very, very different beasts. The K10D was probably as good as
any APS-C CCD sensor could get, and Pentax used a 22
Dario Bonazza wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
AlunFoto wrote:
When the K20D I was a bit surprised by how all the forums blabbed
about it being a minor upgrade from K10D, despite the facts. They
are two very, very different beasts. The K10D was probably as good as
any APS-C CCD sensor could get,
2009/10/3 John Francis jo...@panix.com:
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 10:47:28PM -0700, Tim Bray wrote:
But the primary market for the K-7 isn't folks upgrading from the K20.
It's aimed at three types of buyer:
o K10D owners who passed on the K20 because it wasn't a big upgrade.
(that
I basically agree. I thought because of the sensor, CMOS vs. CCD,
that the K20D/K10D difference was considered quite large.
Here's my chagrined viewpoint on the K-7, with my own rationale
applied, and I reserve the right to change my mind:
1. First I have really been close to purchasing a Canon
I bet that 16meg card fills up really really fast with RAW files. :-)
Tom
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul,
Like you, I sold a K10d before the K7 came out (after seeing the K7 @ GFM).
I've kept the K20d but it doesn't get much usage. I like the
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
I basically agree. I thought because of the sensor, CMOS vs. CCD,
that the K20D/K10D difference was considered quite large.
Here's my chagrined viewpoint on the K-7, with my own rationale
applied, and I reserve the right to
Mark!
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Filling a 16meg card with Raw files is no problem (until
you have to sort them),
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On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 12:16:59PM -0500, Tom C wrote:
Here's my chagrined viewpoint on the K-7, with my own rationale
applied, and I reserve the right to change my mind:
[ . . .]
2. I've been very unhappy with the K20D, mainly in the area of
exposure accuracy. A very high number of images
Tom, you'll be in the same boat with any system. Canon 6mp cameras are
now selling for even less than Pentax. Read the Canon forums and you'll
find that Canon has it's share of problems, with exposure, noise, focus,
you name it. The question is what do you want, and is it even possible
to get
About 1 shot I'd say.
Tom C wrote:
I bet that 16meg card fills up really really fast with RAW files. :-)
Tom
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul,
Like you, I sold a K10d before the K7 came out (after seeing the K7 @ GFM).
I've kept the K20d but
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
I basically agree. I thought because of the sensor, CMOS vs. CCD,
that the K20D/K10D difference was considered quite large.
Here's my chagrined viewpoint on the K-7,
The K10/20/7 all have the same nominal sensor resolution . . .
John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
K10D: 10MP K20D K7D: 14.6MP
My mistake. I think that's the other thing that prompted me to get a
K20D, it was twice the resolution as the *ist D.
With the 5D MK II you get more
I want the world and know I can't have it.
Tom
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom, you'll be in the same boat with any system. Canon 6mp cameras are now
selling for even less than Pentax. Read the Canon forums and you'll find
that Canon has
Yeah the sorting part makes it even funnier.
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
Mark!
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Filling a 16meg card with Raw files is no problem (until
you have to sort them),
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On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
I basically agree. I thought because of the sensor, CMOS vs. CCD,
that the K20D/K10D difference was
Doug Franklin wrote on Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:54:55 -0700
I want it for the faster AF and the faster frame rate, primarily.
The bigger sensor (compared to the K10D) would be nice, but it's not
critical and makes all the files bigger, and thus slower to
manipulate.
You don't have to cope
On Oct 3, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Jim King wrote:
Doug Franklin wrote on Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:54:55 -0700
I want it for the faster AF and the faster frame rate, primarily.
The bigger sensor (compared to the K10D) would be nice, but it's
not critical and makes all the files bigger, and thus
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
I'd tend to agree with them if it wasn't for the pricing. Oh, and the
performance hit and lower build quality. If the 5DmII was 5fps and had
AF comparable to the A900 or was cheaper than either I'd say it was a
better value. Right
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Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:34 PM
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Adam
Maas a...@mawz.ca
wrote:
I'd tend to agree with them if it wasn't for the
pricing. Oh, and the
performance hit and lower build quality
On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:16 , Tom C wrote:
I've got an *istD and another derivative of it sitting on the shelf
collecting dust, and I see the K20D soon becoming a paper-weight as
well.
Only if you don't use it.
Time and discussions are putting me of a mind to stick with my K20s.
Well,
Can't stay static Joe! Gotta grow... Regards, Bob S.
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:16 , Tom C wrote:
I've got an *istD and another derivative of it sitting on the shelf
collecting dust, and I see the K20D soon becoming a
On Oct 3, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:16 , Tom C wrote:
I've got an *istD and another derivative of it sitting on the shelf
collecting dust, and I see the K20D soon becoming a paper-weight as
well.
Ebay. I sold two *istDs and a K10D for about $400 each.
On Oct 3, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Can't stay static Joe! Gotta grow... Regards, Bob S.
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com wrote:
On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:16 , Tom C wrote:
I've got an *istD and another derivative of it sitting on the shelf
has now been so designated)
who, weather and other conditioned be damned, MUST get the shot.
This situation fits, maybe..two struggling beginning pros.(?)
Jack
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
To: Pentax
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From: Tom C
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
Yeah, as much as I've given reasons for not getting a K-7, I still
might. If the exposure control control was much improved that could
make me happy for a while... and if I can sell a couple of items on
e-bay, as Paul
: William Robb war...@gmail.com
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- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
Yeah, as much as I've given reasons for not getting a K-7,
I still
only RAW as well, but I don't like even a small amount of
underexposure. It generates noise, and it can be critical at ISO 800.
Paul
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
From: William Robb war...@gmail.com
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: Re: DPR review of K-7
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Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:40 PM
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Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
Yeah, as much as I've given reasons for not getting a K-7,
I still
might. If the exposure control control
highlights.
Jack
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
From: William Robb war...@gmail.com
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Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:40 PM
- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: DPR review of K-7
pentax is officially 'semi-pro' now... :)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk7/
gets a 'highly recommended'
quote
The final word
The Pentax K-7 manages to combine superb build quality, comprehensive
customization options, excellent ergonomics and an extensive feature
set with (for a
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote:
quote
The final word
The Pentax K-7 manages to combine
... etc ...
On the other hand, it would appear that if if you've got a K20, the
K-7 gets you the exact same image quality, plus video, in a nicer
package. Which is a
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 10:47:28PM -0700, Tim Bray wrote:
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote:
quote
The final word
The Pentax K-7 manages to combine
... etc ...
On the other hand, it would appear that if if you've got a K20, the
K-7 gets you the
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