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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
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Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 0:01, Tim Bray wrote:
Color me old-fashioned, but I think people paying more for less is a
news story. When one observes anomalous behavior, it’s reasonable to
bring attention to it, because things that don’t fit into one’s
understanding of the world are educational
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 15:17, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
The Barnack is now an *expensive* historic novelty, Paul. ;-)
The Audi vs Mercedes thing is interesting … Far as I've seen, ten year
old Audis are often too expensive to repair and keep running, seldom seen
on the road, while there seem
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Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
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From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com
Subject: Re: OT
, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs
most of which fell short in the execution.
But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler
products was they have a Body by Fisher.
That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough
to recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler
products was they have a Body by Fisher.
That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough
to recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge
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From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
But you’re a Ford guy. Some Chrysler innovations worked out well, including
power convertible tops, automatic overdrive
On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
Yep. Fisher is a division of GM. It has its roots in a coach building company
that was founded more than 100 years ago. Back in the day they also built
bodies for Hudson, Packard and a few others, but not Chrysler.
Here's my own anecdotal rebuttal to the bad Audi suggestion. I drive
in the Greater Toronto Area where the city's answer to all winter road
issues is to liberally apply raw rock salt to everything. Cars don't
generally last very long here unless stored under a tarp in a sealed
garage.
I just came
If we’re doing Audi-by-anecdote, ours (A4 station wagon, 3L engine,
manual) is model year 2003 and remains a treat. We have a good
relationship with a non-dealer mechanic and yeah, end up writing him a
noticeable check every year or two. Only problem is, it’s a gas eater.
The Audi dealership
Your right, of course, John. Chrysler was Briggs body, if I'm not
mistaken...again.
J
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Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
I
How about Briggs instead of Fisher?
J
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Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
'Body by Fisher' was always associated
Yeah, I muffed it. Should have been Body by Briggs
J
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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:40:38 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
Yep. Fisher is a division
Reminds me of the golden towers of the Fisher Building - AM radio when
I was a kid.
On 4/28/2014 4:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Yep. Fisher is a division of GM. It has its roots in a coach building company
that was founded more than 100 years ago. Back in the day they also built
bodies for
Plenty of them around here. But their quality did suffer a bit through the
years of Chrysler ownership. They were sensible to get rid of Chrysler, even at
a loss.
G
On Apr 26, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
Not many ten year old Mercs though. Intimately
Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when Daimler and
Chrysler “merged, working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll educate you.
Chrysler never owend Daimler. Eaton and the rest of Chrysler mangement sold
out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash. Daimller was calling all
My fingers are too fat to type on a 13-inch laptop. I have to start
proofreading my messages:-).
On Apr 27, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when Daimler
and Chrysler “merged, working on the Chrysler
Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap than
GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.
And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.
But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
Your ignorance is apparent. As always.
On Apr 27, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap
than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.
And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.
But please, let's
LOL! My opinions remain, as always, based on my experience of these products. I
owned three Chrysler cars ... Worst crap I ever drove. Every friend of mine
who's had an Audi has had nothing but problems with it, and sold it for
something in a reliable Japanese car within a year or two ... Or a
You're a hoot! Pretension and invention. Of course you did this and that, owned
everything, been everywhere. As always a good chuckle!
Paul via phone
On Apr 27, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
LOL! My opinions remain, as always, based on my experience of these
Yes I have. Sorry. ];-)
Godfrey
On Apr 27, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
You're a hoot! Pretension and invention. Of course you did this and that,
owned everything, been everywhere. As always a good chuckle!
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Sorry works.
Paul via phone
On Apr 27, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
Yes I have. Sorry. ];-)
Godfrey
On Apr 27, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
You're a hoot! Pretension and invention. Of course you did this and that,
Yup, it's difficult being me. I've done many many things, been many many
places.
I do not lie, I do not tell stories.
I've done everything and been everywhere I have said I have.
Again, sorry if that offends you.
Godfrey
On Apr 27, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
I sure it's difficult being you .
Paul via phone
On Apr 27, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
Yup, it's difficult being me. I've done many many things, been many many
places.
I do not lie, I do not tell stories.
I've done everything and been everywhere I have
Maybe a bit of cart before horse here. Daimler (who owned Mercedes)
bought Chrysler, not the other way around. Mercedes quality may have
suffered during those years, but it wasn't Chrysler's fault.
Chrysler suffered more under Daimler's control than Mercedes ever did.
On 4/27/2014 4:13 PM,
Yup, it's difficult being me.
Yo MARK !
a Mark if I ever heard one.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
Yup, it's difficult being me
I think that another example of this sort of phenomena is the Mont
Blanc pen. I found an apparently new Mont Blanc Meisterstück, in the
case and original box at a consignment store locally and purchased it
for $15. I knew that they were prestigious, and although $15 was
probably too much to spend
Darren,
You sure that's not a cheap Chinese 'knock off.
Regards, Bob S.
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that another example of this sort of phenomena is the Mont
Blanc pen. I found an apparently new Mont Blanc Meisterstück, in the
case and
Yep, I'm sure. My Google-Fu was decent even back then.
:)
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Darren,
You sure that's not a cheap Chinese 'knock off.
Regards, Bob S.
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I think
As someone once said, The heights of your moral superiority are matched only
by the depths of your prejudices.
G
On Apr 26, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that another example of this sort of phenomena is the Mont
Blanc pen. I found an apparently new Mont
Well reasoned. I like my barnack Leica, but it's a historic novelty rather than
an expensive showpiece. Mercedes makes some nice cars, but you pay extra for
that star. Audi delivers more for the money, but no red dot, er star.
Paul via phone
On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Darren Addy
The Barnack is now an *expensive* historic novelty, Paul. ;-)
The Audi vs Mercedes thing is interesting … Far as I've seen, ten year old
Audis are often too expensive to repair and keep running, seldom seen on the
road, while there seem to be a LOT of perfectly healthy 20+ year old Mercedes
on
Not many ten year old Mercs though. Intimately familiar with that company.
Unfortunately.
Paul via phone
On Apr 26, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
The Barnack is now an *expensive* historic novelty, Paul. ;-)
The Audi vs Mercedes thing is interesting …
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
I think that another example of this sort of phenomena is the Mont
Blanc pen. I found an apparently new Mont Blanc Meisterstück, in the
case and original box at a consignment store locally and purchased it
for $15. I knew that they were
Color me old-fashioned, but I think people paying more for less is a
news story. When one observes anomalous behavior, it’s reasonable to
bring attention to it, because things that don’t fit into one’s
understanding of the world are educational opportunities.
As a camera aficionado, I’ve been
On 24/4/14, Matthew Hunt, discombobulated, unleashed:
I'm sure that, somehow, you would get the Canon to mount.
Perhaps if I owned a Canon ?? i don't !
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I think some people do buy Ferraris and Leicas for the cool and prestige value,
but most of the Ferrari and Leica owners I know aren't those people. They're
people who simply endure paying the price premium because they feel the product
is worth the money. Despite Tim Bray's shock and horror
On 24/04/2014 4:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
For my part I'll say that touch screen controls on a camera are a
stupid idea. Give me tactile controls any day. In fact, every day.
A friend (yeah, I know) has an Olympus with a touch screen. Apparently,
while the light goes off, touching the
The owner reviews for the X-T1 are staggeringly good.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1025328-REG/fujifilm_x_t1_mirrorless_digital_camera.html
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/04/2014 4:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
For my part I'll say that
When I was in Iraq, I could buy all the Rolexes I wanted for $2.00 apiece.
On 4/24/2014 6:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Tim Bray wrote:
If I cared about timepieces, Rolexes would offend me :)
Quite. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there were discussion boards
devoted to fine timepieces where
I can never understand all the whinging over Leica prices. Sure, the T is
pricey—what's the big deal? No one forces you to buy it. The issue seems to be
that everyone one WANTS a Leica, they're just not willing to pay the premium
required.
Why? Well in my experience, Leica simply makes better
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
I can never understand all the whinging over Leica prices. Sure, the T is
pricey—what's the big deal? No one forces you to buy it. The issue seems to
be that everyone one WANTS a Leica, they're just not willing to pay the
Having spent some time with a borrowed M, I would have zero interest
in replacing my X-T1 with one at an even-money swap. The M has good
controls and great lenses, lousy low-light capabilities, no telephoto
capabilities, and no autofocus. Also, I think the better of the
recent Fujinon Micro-4/3
So do you whinge over the price of Rolexes when they announce a new model too?
If you don't care, why say anything?
Godfrey
On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
Having spent some time with a borrowed M, I would have zero interest
in replacing my X-T1 with one
If I cared about timepieces, Rolexes would offend me :)
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
So do you whinge over the price of Rolexes when they announce a new model
too? If you don't care, why say anything?
Godfrey
On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Tim
Weird attitude.
I like timepieces, Rolexes don't offend me at all regardless of what they cost
or whether there are better clocks around for less money. They are beautiful
things, that's enough. I enjoy seeing new ones announced although I'll never
spend the money for one.
Why would a camera
If I was going to buy a camera of this sort, I'd rather have the Nikon1 V3.
I figure anyone who can afford a Rolex wants one should buy it, but it
doesn't do a thing for me.
Same goes for Leica. If it turns your screws, knock yourself out. Just
doesn't appeal to me.
On 4/24/2014 5:09 PM,
Tim Bray wrote:
If I cared about timepieces, Rolexes would offend me :)
Quite. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there were discussion boards
devoted to fine timepieces where Rolexes were indeed treated with
disdain.
This is a photography mailing list! Of course we're going to discuss
our
On 24 Apr 2014, at 23:03, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
Tim Bray wrote:
If I cared about timepieces, Rolexes would offend me :)
Quite. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there were discussion boards
devoted to fine timepieces where Rolexes were indeed treated with
On 24/4/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
I'm sure this will annoy the Ricoh-Pentaxian-Fujistis on this list, but
I've got my fireproof suit on (permanently), flame away... :-)
As a card-carrying Fujisti, I can assure you that price has nothing to
do with me not wanting a Leica
On 24/4/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
Give me tactile controls any day. In fact, every day.
I see an X-T1 in your future
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On 24/4/14, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
As a card-carrying Fujisti, I can assure you that price has nothing to
do with me not wanting a Leica - they have no current offering that I
covet at all. The gear is top quality and the results obviously same,
but Leica digital offerings
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
The one saving attribute to my mind is that, with a pair of caterpillar tracks
and a canon attached, they would make great battle tanks.
I'm sure that, somehow, you would get the Canon to mount.
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Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:
Tim Bray wrote:
If I cared about timepieces, Rolexes would offend me :)
Quite. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there were discussion boards
devoted to fine timepieces where Rolexes were indeed treated with
disdain.
This is a photography
Leica may well be a fine product, but there can be no denying that they
are irrationally priced as a prestige item. I bought an ME Super kit
some time ago and to my amazement it came in a leather Leica M Bag.
Looking at eBay - these bags sell for $150 to $200 or more, in mint
condition.
I agree with you, Godfrey. This story is very much the same as the
dispute between SMC FA 50/1.7 that dear friend of mine bought for me for
USD 140 brand new back in 2002 and SMC FA 43/1.9 Limited that was being
sold at the time for probably 3 times this figure.
The differences were there one
I think you hit the nail on the head, Godfrey.
If you don't like the prices don't buy it. If enough people don't buy them
they'll go out of business.
No big whoop.
It's like a Mustang owner complaining that Ferraris cost too much.
Well... that's why you bought a Mustang, right?
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