Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Most years I do struggle to find any that I am really confident about
submitting.  Last year, I had the Blue and Beige image from Santa Fe, which
was a no-brainer, but nothing stood out like that for me this year, so I
agonized for quite a while.


Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 2:30 PM, John  wrote:

> I know how you feel. I struggle every year to select three that are good
> enough to submit.
>
> Except for the first year, the photo Mark selected was not the one I
> considered the best of my submissions.
>
>
> On 2/17/2018 13:32, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> As I understand the rules, at least one has to be included.  Otherwise, I
>> would never have made any of the annuals!
>>
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Boris Liberman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I've just uploaded 3 pics for the book.
>>>
>>> Let's see if any of them makes it :-).
>>>
>>>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[John]

I know how you feel. I struggle every year to select three that are good 
enough to submit.


Except for the first year, the photo Mark selected was not the one I 
considered the best of my submissions.


On 2/17/2018 13:32, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

As I understand the rules, at least one has to be included.  Otherwise, I
would never have made any of the annuals!


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On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:


Well, I've just uploaded 3 pics for the book.

Let's see if any of them makes it :-).




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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Daniel J. Matyola]

As I understand the rules, at least one has to be included.  Otherwise, I
would never have made any of the annuals!


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On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

> Well, I've just uploaded 3 pics for the book.
>
> Let's see if any of them makes it :-).
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Well, I've just uploaded 3 pics for the book.

Let's see if any of them makes it :-).

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

> AnnSan, Gonz - you're way too kind. In fact, let me check. Indeed, this
> photo appears in the PDML Annual 2013.
>
> I may have re-processed it for posting to 500px. My processing style
> appears to change quite a bit over time...
>
> Boris
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>
>> Yup, not to detract from it but if only the girl's eyes were in sharp
>> focus it would be perfect.  The composition and subject matter are
>> superb though, the rendering is awesome also.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 3:16 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> > Gonz - I agree!  and I May have told Boris that already :-)
>> >
>> > ann
>> >
>> > On 2/15/2018 11:30 AM, Gonz wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Damn, this one:
>> >>
>> >> https://500px.com/photo/239907245/tender-moment-by-boris-
>> liberman?ctx_page=5=user_id=24564813
>> >>
>> >> Has got HCB written all over it
>> >>
>> >> Amazing
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Boris Liberman 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

AnnSan, Gonz - you're way too kind. In fact, let me check. Indeed, this
photo appears in the PDML Annual 2013.

I may have re-processed it for posting to 500px. My processing style
appears to change quite a bit over time...

Boris

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Gonz  wrote:

> Yup, not to detract from it but if only the girl's eyes were in sharp
> focus it would be perfect.  The composition and subject matter are
> superb though, the rendering is awesome also.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 3:16 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> > Gonz - I agree!  and I May have told Boris that already :-)
> >
> > ann
> >
> > On 2/15/2018 11:30 AM, Gonz wrote:
> >>
> >> Damn, this one:
> >>
> >> https://500px.com/photo/239907245/tender-moment-by-
> boris-liberman?ctx_page=5=user_id=24564813
> >>
> >> Has got HCB written all over it
> >>
> >> Amazing
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Boris Liberman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Gonz]

Yup, not to detract from it but if only the girl's eyes were in sharp
focus it would be perfect.  The composition and subject matter are
superb though, the rendering is awesome also.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 3:16 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Gonz - I agree!  and I May have told Boris that already :-)
>
> ann
>
> On 2/15/2018 11:30 AM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Damn, this one:
>>
>> https://500px.com/photo/239907245/tender-moment-by-boris-liberman?ctx_page=5=user_id=24564813
>>
>> Has got HCB written all over it
>>
>> Amazing
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

Gonz - I agree!  and I May have told Boris that already :-)

ann

On 2/15/2018 11:30 AM, Gonz wrote:

Damn, this one:
https://500px.com/photo/239907245/tender-moment-by-boris-liberman?ctx_page=5=user_id=24564813

Has got HCB written all over it

Amazing


On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:




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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Gonz]

Damn, this one:
https://500px.com/photo/239907245/tender-moment-by-boris-liberman?ctx_page=5=user_id=24564813

Has got HCB written all over it

Amazing


On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an artist.
> I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
> kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
> friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
> And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
> not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that -
> indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
> rules and call the shots...
>
> Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
> through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
> to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.
>
> As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link: https://500px.com/boris71
>
> If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Boris. I’m more a good businessman than an artful photographer. I
>> do like the efforts of Mark, Doug and others to keep the Pentax list about
>> Pentax.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> >
>> > Definitely not envious here. But yes, my wrists keep telling me that the
>> > gear that I am using right now is of perfect size and weight.
>> >
>> > As for the fact that Paul is using his gear to great success - thumbs up
>> to
>> > him, no doubt he is one of the best on the list here.
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:08 AM, ann sanfedele 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> :-)  but some of us have a hard time lifting gear that you manage not
>> onl
>> >> to lift, but to hold steady without a tripod.
>> >>
>> >> some of us are envious...
>> >>
>> >> ann
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 12/31/2017 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax.
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul
>> >>>
>>  On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no
>> meaningful
>>  photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly
>> Olympus
>>  EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
>> 
>>  On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML
>> Annual. I
>> > haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
>> >
>> > G
>> >
>> > On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts <
>> postmas...@robertstech.com>
>> >>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>> >>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[P. J. Alling]

Well, there you go, that's a problem...


On 12/31/2017 7:49 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Well I wouldnt say that since I don't drink at all

ann

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

On 1/4/2018 1:57 PM, John wrote:
Spell check and auto-correct start with a "small" dictionary. If you 
type a word that's not in that dictionary spell check will flag the 
word and if you have auto-correct enabled, change it to a word that IS 
in its dictionary.


I prefer to have spell check ON and auto-correct OFF. That way I can 
see the words spell check doesn't find in its dictionary and either 
add them or let spell check supply the correct spelling.

I do the same.. but sometimes I click on the wrong thing after that! :-)


That leaves only the problem of finding the correct word in the first 
place (for some reason, my fingers keep trying to substitute "work" 
for "word").
I'm more often substituting "word" (words with friends) for "work" - 
must reform!


ann


On 1/4/2018 13:35, mike wilson wrote:

From what you often/usually type, would be my guess.


On 04 January 2018 at 01:00 Paul Stenquist  
wrote:



Computer monitors, not may motors. Where the f does autocorrect get 
this

stuff.

Paul

On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:


Almost all contemporary smartphone screens are relatively high 
resolution,
but older less-expensive computer may motors are not. based on 
complaints I
see here about how posted photos are too large, I can surmise that 
a number
of pdml listers are looking at low-res monitors. A good 4K or 5K 
monitor

will always display a photo far better than the best smartphone.

Paul


On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

I'm butting in again to say that I think
I know what Boris means. The smaller
phone images appear a bit brighter as it happens, and their detail 
cleaner.

I also keep a fair sized
magnifying glass within reach and
freely use. Pulling them up by finger
swiping the lens is frequent.
I do often view them on the computer, but sometimes not.

J


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:14 AM, ann sanfedele  
wrote:


Boris --
I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" 
..  I have
no connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you 
mean it

when you said

"I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?

I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones
around to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely 
see

there is a screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann


On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Thanks, Jack.

I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my 
images
from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I 
find Nik

Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film
filters
provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
controllable and repeatable.

Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it 
got me
thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who 
of you
looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who 
from the
computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large 
screen
(5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes 
shows

photographs in a more eye pleasing way...

The progress is progressing, that's for sure.


On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis 
 wrote:


Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
exposures.
Appreciate your posting it!








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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[John]

Spell check and auto-correct start with a "small" dictionary. If you type a 
word that's not in that dictionary spell check will flag the word and if you have 
auto-correct enabled, change it to a word that IS in its dictionary.

I prefer to have spell check ON and auto-correct OFF. That way I can see the 
words spell check doesn't find in its dictionary and either add them or let 
spell check supply the correct spelling.

That leaves only the problem of finding the correct word in the first place (for some reason, my 
fingers keep trying to substitute "work" for "word").


On 1/4/2018 13:35, mike wilson wrote:

From what you often/usually type, would be my guess.



On 04 January 2018 at 01:00 Paul Stenquist  wrote:


Computer monitors, not may motors. Where the f does autocorrect get this
stuff.

Paul


On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Almost all contemporary smartphone screens are relatively high resolution,
but older less-expensive computer may motors are not. based  on complaints I
see here about how posted photos are too large, I can surmise that a number
of pdml listers are looking at low-res monitors. A good 4K or 5K monitor
will always display a photo far better than the best smartphone.

Paul


On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

I'm butting in again to say that I think
I know what Boris means. The smaller
phone images appear a bit brighter as it happens, and their detail cleaner.
I also keep a fair sized
magnifying glass within reach and
freely use. Pulling them up by finger
swiping the lens is frequent.
I do often view them on the computer, but sometimes not.

J


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:14 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Boris --
I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" ..  I have
no connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you mean it
when you said

"I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?

I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones
around to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely see
there is a screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann


On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Thanks, Jack.

I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film
filters
provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
controllable and repeatable.

Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
(5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
photographs in a more eye pleasing way...

The progress is progressing, that's for sure.



On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
exposures.
Appreciate your posting it!





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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[mike wilson]

>From what you often/usually type, would be my guess.

> On 04 January 2018 at 01:00 Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> Computer monitors, not may motors. Where the f does autocorrect get this
> stuff.
> 
> Paul
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> > 
> > Almost all contemporary smartphone screens are relatively high resolution,
> > but older less-expensive computer may motors are not. based  on complaints I
> > see here about how posted photos are too large, I can surmise that a number
> > of pdml listers are looking at low-res monitors. A good 4K or 5K monitor
> > will always display a photo far better than the best smartphone.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> >> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm butting in again to say that I think
> >> I know what Boris means. The smaller
> >> phone images appear a bit brighter as it happens, and their detail cleaner.
> >> I also keep a fair sized 
> >> magnifying glass within reach and
> >> freely use. Pulling them up by finger
> >> swiping the lens is frequent.
> >> I do often view them on the computer, but sometimes not.
> >> 
> >> J
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:14 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Boris --
> >>> I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" ..  I have
> >>> no connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you mean it
> >>> when you said
> >>> 
> >>> "I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
> >>> photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?
> >>> 
> >>> I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones
> >>> around to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely see
> >>> there is a screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann
> >>> 
>  On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>  Thanks, Jack.
>  
>  I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
>  from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
>  Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film
>  filters
>  provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
>  controllable and repeatable.
>  
>  Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
>  thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
>  looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
>  computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
>  (5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
>  photographs in a more eye pleasing way...
>  
>  The progress is progressing, that's for sure.
>  
>  
> > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> > 
> > Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
> > exposures.
> > Appreciate your posting it!

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Jack Davis]

I probably search out more 
images on my phone first. 
Go to the computer often and spend 
more time absorbing both the art
a prose.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jack.
> 
> I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
> from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
> Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film filters
> provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
> controllable and repeatable.
> 
> Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
> thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
> looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
> computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
> (5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
> photographs in a more eye pleasing way...
> 
> The progress is progressing, that's for sure.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
>> exposures.
>> Appreciate your posting it!
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Larry Colen]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

Computer monitors, not may motors. Where the f does autocorrect get this stuff.


Motors? It's just showing its engineuity.



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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Paul Stenquist]

Computer monitors, not may motors. Where the f does autocorrect get this stuff.

Paul

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Almost all contemporary smartphone screens are relatively high resolution, 
> but older less-expensive computer may motors are not. based  on complaints I 
> see here about how posted photos are too large, I can surmise that a number 
> of pdml listers are looking at low-res monitors. A good 4K or 5K monitor will 
> always display a photo far better than the best smartphone.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm butting in again to say that I think
>> I know what Boris means. The smaller
>> phone images appear a bit brighter as it happens, and their detail cleaner. 
>> I also keep a fair sized 
>> magnifying glass within reach and
>> freely use. Pulling them up by finger
>> swiping the lens is frequent.
>> I do often view them on the computer, but sometimes not.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:14 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Boris --
>>> I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" ..  I have 
>>> no connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you mean it 
>>> when you said
>>> 
>>> "I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
>>> photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones around 
>>> to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely see there is a 
>>> screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann
>>> 
 On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
 Thanks, Jack.
 
 I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
 from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
 Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film filters
 provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
 controllable and repeatable.
 
 Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
 thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
 looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
 computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
 (5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
 photographs in a more eye pleasing way...
 
 The progress is progressing, that's for sure.
 
 
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
> exposures.
> Appreciate your posting it!
> 
> J
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Paul Stenquist]

Almost all contemporary smartphone screens are relatively high resolution, but 
older less-expensive computer may motors are not. based  on complaints I see 
here about how posted photos are too large, I can surmise that a number of pdml 
listers are looking at low-res monitors. A good 4K or 5K monitor will always 
display a photo far better than the best smartphone.

Paul

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> I'm butting in again to say that I think
> I know what Boris means. The smaller
> phone images appear a bit brighter as it happens, and their detail cleaner. I 
> also keep a fair sized 
> magnifying glass within reach and
> freely use. Pulling them up by finger
> swiping the lens is frequent.
> I do often view them on the computer, but sometimes not.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:14 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> Boris --
>> I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" ..  I have 
>> no connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you mean it 
>> when you said
>> 
>> "I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
>> photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?
>> 
>> I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones around 
>> to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely see there is a 
>> screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann
>> 
>>> On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>> Thanks, Jack.
>>> 
>>> I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
>>> from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
>>> Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film filters
>>> provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
>>> controllable and repeatable.
>>> 
>>> Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
>>> thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
>>> looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
>>> computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
>>> (5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
>>> photographs in a more eye pleasing way...
>>> 
>>> The progress is progressing, that's for sure.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
 
 Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
 exposures.
 Appreciate your posting it!
 
 J
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Jack Davis]

I'm butting in again to say that I think
I know what Boris means. The smaller
phone images appear a bit brighter as it happens, and their detail cleaner. I 
also keep a fair sized 
magnifying glass within reach and
freely use. Pulling them up by finger
swiping the lens is frequent.
I do often view them on the computer, but sometimes not.

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:14 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Boris --
> I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" ..  I have no 
> connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you mean it when 
> you said
> 
> "I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
> photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?
> 
> I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones around 
> to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely see there is a 
> screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann
> 
>> On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> Thanks, Jack.
>> 
>> I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
>> from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
>> Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film filters
>> provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
>> controllable and repeatable.
>> 
>> Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
>> thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
>> looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
>> computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
>> (5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
>> photographs in a more eye pleasing way...
>> 
>> The progress is progressing, that's for sure.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
>>> exposures.
>>> Appreciate your posting it!
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Nope, I actually meant what I said. My Samsung phone has excellent screen.
I even think that the phone firmware is playing tricks on me when showing
photos. I've a good screen for my desktop computer at home and it is
naturally the best - big and properly calibrated. But the cell phone
surprises me.

As for the glasses - last year was the first I actually bought myself a
special pair of office glasses - multifocals with limited range (up to 2
m), so my eyesight ain't gettin' any better...

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 9:14 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Boris --
> I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" ..  I have
> no connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you mean it
> when you said
>
> "I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
> photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?
>
> I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones
> around to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely see there
> is a screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann
>
> On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jack.
>>
>> I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
>> from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
>> Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film filters
>> provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
>> controllable and repeatable.
>>
>> Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
>> thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
>> looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
>> computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
>> (5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
>> photographs in a more eye pleasing way...
>>
>> The progress is progressing, that's for sure.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>
>> Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
>>> exposures.
>>> Appreciate your posting it!
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Thank you for your kind words, Larry. I am adding images to the collection
very often these days. Great fun - to remember all these moments, emotions,
places...

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> There are indeed some great shots in that set.
>
> Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Paul! Much appreciate your kind words.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist
>> wrote:
>>
>> Outstanding work, Boris! Thanks for sharing it.
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

 Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an

>>> artist.
>>>
 I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
 kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
 friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
 And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so
 it's
 not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said

>>> that -
>>>
 indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
 rules and call the shots...

 Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to
 look
 through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most
 up
 to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.

 As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link:

>>> https://500px.com/boris71
>>>
 If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

Boris --
I only look at photos on my computer monitor which is 17" x 10" ..  I 
have no connection to the web with my cell phone at all - but did you 
mean it when you said


"I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
photographs in a more eye pleasing way..." ?

I'm guessing you meant the opposite... When people turn their phones 
around to show me a photo I have to remind them that I can barely see 
there is a screen there, let alone a photo :-) ann


On 1/3/2018 1:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Thanks, Jack.

I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film filters
provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
controllable and repeatable.

Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
(5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
photographs in a more eye pleasing way...

The progress is progressing, that's for sure.


On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:


Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
exposures.
Appreciate your posting it!

J

Sent from my iPhone





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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Larry Colen]

There are indeed some great shots in that set.

Boris Liberman wrote:

Thanks, Paul! Much appreciate your kind words.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist
wrote:


Outstanding work, Boris! Thanks for sharing it.
Paul


On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an

artist.

I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said

that -

indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
rules and call the shots...

Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.

As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link:

https://500px.com/boris71

If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Jack.

I must admit that spending a bit of quiet time, going through my images
from all the years and processing them is great fun to me. I find Nik
Collection tools very useful - the color film filters and b/w film filters
provide me with lots of creative freedom in post in a way that is
controllable and repeatable.

Now, that I am seeing that you posted this from your iPhone - it got me
thinking. Absolutely meaning no offense or disrespect - but who of you
looks at the photos (e.g. mine) from their cell phone and who from the
computer? I do both. But I have a phone with relatively large screen
(5.7"), and still I notice that the screen of my phone sometimes shows
photographs in a more eye pleasing way...

The progress is progressing, that's for sure.


On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
> exposures.
> Appreciate your posting it!
>
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Dan.

Yep, I find it very hmmm appealing to me to look for this kind of scenes
and then take pictures of them. I really cannot put this into words or
explain it in any way - I just feel attracted to this kind of motif.


On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> That is an interesting gallery of strong images, Boris.  Great work on
> display there.
>
> "Soaring high" and "Empty Spaces" take minimalism to a new level .  .  .  .
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Hello AnnSan.

As always, you're being very kind. Yep, this doggie is still there. Mostly
looking out of the window. Saw him/her few times.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Boris -
> Lot of nice stuff there...  some I remeber from times past and lots new to
> like
> The doggie is a fitting shot for the last entry - as about to be the Year
> of the Dog
>
> Best,
> ann
>


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Christine. I am glad you found it to your liking :-).

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Christine Aguila 
wrote:

> Very nice collection of work, Boris!  Quite enjoyed the gallery!  Cheers,
> Christine
>


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Many thanks, Brian. Yep, I find 500px to be rather pleasant past time..

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Brian Walters 
wrote:

> Nice work there, Boris.  Picking just one - I really like "Minimalism"
>
> You jogged my memory that I signed up on 500px eons ago, uploaded a couple
> of
> photos and then promptly forgot about it.  Amazingly I just tried logging
> on and
> my guess at my username and password worked!  Maybe I'll upload a few more
> this
> year...
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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[Christine Aguila]

Very nice collection of work, Boris!  Quite enjoyed the gallery!  Cheers, 
Christine

 

> On Jan 2, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an artist.
> I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
> kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
> friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
> And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
> not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that -
> indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
> rules and call the shots...
> 
> Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
> through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
> to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.
> 
> As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link: https://500px.com/boris71
> 
> If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Jack Davis]

Boris, Nice collection of exceptional
exposures. 
Appreciate your posting it!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:20 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> That is an interesting gallery of strong images, Boris.  Great work on
> display there.
> 
> "Soaring high" and "Empty Spaces" take minimalism to a new level .  .  .  .
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:48 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> Boris -
>> Lot of nice stuff there...  some I remeber from times past and lots new to
>> like
>> The doggie is a fitting shot for the last entry - as about to be the Year
>> of the Dog
>> 
>> Best,
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 1/2/2018 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an
>>> artist.
>>> I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
>>> kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
>>> friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
>>> And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
>>> not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that
>>> -
>>> indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
>>> rules and call the shots...
>>> 
>>> Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
>>> through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
>>> to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.
>>> 
>>> As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link:
>>> https://500px.com/boris71
>> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is an interesting gallery of strong images, Boris.  Great work on
display there.

"Soaring high" and "Empty Spaces" take minimalism to a new level .  .  .  .

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:48 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Boris -
> Lot of nice stuff there...  some I remeber from times past and lots new to
> like
> The doggie is a fitting shot for the last entry - as about to be the Year
> of the Dog
>
> Best,
> ann
>
> On 1/2/2018 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an
>> artist.
>> I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
>> kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
>> friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
>> And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
>> not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that
>> -
>> indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
>> rules and call the shots...
>>
>> Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
>> through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
>> to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.
>>
>> As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link:
>> https://500px.com/boris71
>>
>>
>>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

Boris -
Lot of nice stuff there...  some I remeber from times past and lots new 
to like
The doggie is a fitting shot for the last entry - as about to be the 
Year of the Dog


Best,
ann

On 1/2/2018 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an artist.
I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that -
indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
rules and call the shots...

Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.

As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link: https://500px.com/boris71





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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> Okay, I guess I could use an old Pentax photo, but the last time I shot with
> Pentax was apparently 2007. IE looking through Lightroom and reading the
> metadata.
>
> And I was not as good a photographer then.

Then Mark will put it next to mine then.:-)

Dave
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Brian Walters]

Nice work there, Boris.  Picking just one - I really like "Minimalism"

You jogged my memory that I signed up on 500px eons ago, uploaded a couple of
photos and then promptly forgot about it.  Amazingly I just tried logging on and
my guess at my username and password worked!  Maybe I'll upload a few more this
year...


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> On 03 January 2018 at 04:35 Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an artist.
> I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
> kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
> friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
> And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
> not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that -
> indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
> rules and call the shots...
> 
> Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
> through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
> to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.
> 
> As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link: https://500px.com/boris71
> 
> If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Boris. I’m more a good businessman than an artful photographer. I
> > do like the efforts of Mark, Doug and others to keep the Pentax list about
> > Pentax.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > On Jan 1, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> > >
> > > Definitely not envious here. But yes, my wrists keep telling me that the
> > > gear that I am using right now is of perfect size and weight.
> > >
> > > As for the fact that Paul is using his gear to great success - thumbs up
> > to
> > > him, no doubt he is one of the best on the list here.
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:08 AM, ann sanfedele 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> :-)  but some of us have a hard time lifting gear that you manage not
> > onl
> > >> to lift, but to hold steady without a tripod.
> > >>
> > >> some of us are envious...
> > >>
> > >> ann
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 12/31/2017 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax.
> > >>>
> > >>> Paul
> > >>>
> >  On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >  That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no
> > meaningful
> >  photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly
> > Olympus
> >  EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
> > 
> >  On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML
> > Annual. I
> > > haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts <
> > postmas...@robertstech.com>
> > >>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
> > >>
> >  --
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

How about best of the quotes list? for the 10th?

That way one my quotes might get in the book. ;-) Old fart that I am.

Marnie aka Doe

On 12/29/2017 8:21 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

On New Year's Day we'll open up submissions for the 2018 PDML Photo
Annual. This will be the TENTH edition of the PDML book so we're
hoping everyone comes up with some outstanding photos to make this
landmark particularly memorable.

I'd also like to ask everyone's help in seeking out previous
contributors who've slipped off the radar (off the PDML, that is). I
think it would be a good way of re-establishing contact, finding out
what they're up to and perhaps enticing a few back to the List.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/pdmlbooks.jpg


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Nope. I was shooting with both Canon and Pentax in 2007 and I have 
already used the best of the Pentax photos for the annual.


I'm out.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Paul! Much appreciate your kind words.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> Outstanding work, Boris! Thanks for sharing it.
> Paul
>
> > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> >
> > Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an
> artist.
> > I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
> > kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
> > friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
> > And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
> > not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said
> that -
> > indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
> > rules and call the shots...
> >
> > Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
> > through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
> > to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.
> >
> > As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link:
> https://500px.com/boris71
> >
> > If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.
> >
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Okay, I guess I could use an old Pentax photo, but the last time I shot 
with Pentax was apparently 2007. IE looking through Lightroom and 
reading the metadata.


And I was not as good a photographer then.

H.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Jostein]

Welcome back, Wendy!
Jostein

Den 02.01.2018 18:12, skrev wendy beard:

Chiming in here (Happy New Year everyone :-) )
I haven't participated on the list in a long time. Even though I still
have quite a lot of Pentax gear I rarely use it. Despite that, last
year was probably the only year I didn't contribute to the annual. But
I did buy a copy of the annual AND a calendar too!
If I submitted for this year, I'd have to root through old photos to
do so. Better get looking now! Maybe I can aim for something new for
next year's annual instead.

Wendy

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

John wrote:


On 12/31/2017 17:03, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 30/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.


Actually quite proud that my  main shooting kit consists of an
Olympus camera with 5 lenses, 2 of which are Pentax, one Voigtlander,
one Samyang and one Tokina. All primes, manual focus and manual
aperture.

Never been happier with shooting stills.


I may be wrong, but I believe in the past an image taken with a Pentax
Lens mounted on an off brand camera has been acceptable. I know images
taken with an off brand lens mounted on a Pentax body have been.


Yep. Pentax camera or lens is OK.

The full rules *are* posted on the upload page, y'know...
http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

I could only submit with a non-Pentax photo which is a no-no.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 12/29/2017 8:21 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

On New Year's Day we'll open up submissions for the 2018 PDML Photo
Annual. This will be the TENTH edition of the PDML book so we're
hoping everyone comes up with some outstanding photos to make this
landmark particularly memorable.

I'd also like to ask everyone's help in seeking out previous
contributors who've slipped off the radar (off the PDML, that is). I
think it would be a good way of re-establishing contact, finding out
what they're up to and perhaps enticing a few back to the List.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/pdmlbooks.jpg
  


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Paul Stenquist]

Outstanding work, Boris! Thanks for sharing it.
Paul

> On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an artist.
> I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
> kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
> friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
> And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
> not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that -
> indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
> rules and call the shots...
> 
> Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
> through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
> to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.
> 
> As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link: https://500px.com/boris71
> 
> If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Boris. I’m more a good businessman than an artful photographer. I
>> do like the efforts of Mark, Doug and others to keep the Pentax list about
>> Pentax.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Definitely not envious here. But yes, my wrists keep telling me that the
>>> gear that I am using right now is of perfect size and weight.
>>> 
>>> As for the fact that Paul is using his gear to great success - thumbs up
>> to
>>> him, no doubt he is one of the best on the list here.
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:08 AM, ann sanfedele 
>> wrote:
 
 :-)  but some of us have a hard time lifting gear that you manage not
>> onl
 to lift, but to hold steady without a tripod.
 
 some of us are envious...
 
 ann
 
 
> On 12/31/2017 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no
>> meaningful
>> photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly
>> Olympus
>> EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML
>> Annual. I
>>> haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts <
>> postmas...@robertstech.com>
 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Boris Liberman]

Well, it is hard for me to tell apart your being businessman and an artist.
I like some of your images more and some less. As for Pentax list being
kept about Pentax - no objection from me. However, there is also a
friendship and camaraderie outside of confines of a specific gear brand.
And add to that special occasion of the decade to Pentax Annual - so it's
not hard to see that some people get different emotions. Having said that -
indeed, Mark, Doug and others are the bosses, so to say, so they set the
rules and call the shots...

Nowadays I am having great fun uploading my work to 500px. I have to look
through images of all years, all cameras, all lenses and with the most up
to date processing skills that I have - this is great fun.

As a matter of shameless plug - here is the link: https://500px.com/boris71

If anyone is on 500px as well, I'd love to get connected there.

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Thanks Boris. I’m more a good businessman than an artful photographer. I
> do like the efforts of Mark, Doug and others to keep the Pentax list about
> Pentax.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Jan 1, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> >
> > Definitely not envious here. But yes, my wrists keep telling me that the
> > gear that I am using right now is of perfect size and weight.
> >
> > As for the fact that Paul is using his gear to great success - thumbs up
> to
> > him, no doubt he is one of the best on the list here.
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:08 AM, ann sanfedele 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> :-)  but some of us have a hard time lifting gear that you manage not
> onl
> >> to lift, but to hold steady without a tripod.
> >>
> >> some of us are envious...
> >>
> >> ann
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12/31/2017 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax.
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
>  On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman 
> wrote:
> 
>  That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no
> meaningful
>  photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly
> Olympus
>  EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
> 
>  On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML
> Annual. I
> > haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
> >
> > G
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts <
> postmas...@robertstech.com>
> >>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
> >>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[wendy beard]

Chiming in here (Happy New Year everyone :-) )
I haven't participated on the list in a long time. Even though I still
have quite a lot of Pentax gear I rarely use it. Despite that, last
year was probably the only year I didn't contribute to the annual. But
I did buy a copy of the annual AND a calendar too!
If I submitted for this year, I'd have to root through old photos to
do so. Better get looking now! Maybe I can aim for something new for
next year's annual instead.

Wendy

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>>On 12/31/2017 17:03, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>> On 30/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>>>
>>> Actually quite proud that my  main shooting kit consists of an
>>> Olympus camera with 5 lenses, 2 of which are Pentax, one Voigtlander,
>>> one Samyang and one Tokina. All primes, manual focus and manual
>>> aperture.
>>>
>>> Never been happier with shooting stills.
>>
>>I may be wrong, but I believe in the past an image taken with a Pentax
>>Lens mounted on an off brand camera has been acceptable. I know images
>>taken with an off brand lens mounted on a Pentax body have been.
>
> Yep. Pentax camera or lens is OK.
>
> The full rules *are* posted on the upload page, y'know...
> http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Mark Roberts]

John wrote:

>On 12/31/2017 17:03, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 30/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>> 
>> Actually quite proud that my  main shooting kit consists of an
>> Olympus camera with 5 lenses, 2 of which are Pentax, one Voigtlander,
>> one Samyang and one Tokina. All primes, manual focus and manual
>> aperture.
>> 
>> Never been happier with shooting stills.
>
>I may be wrong, but I believe in the past an image taken with a Pentax
>Lens mounted on an off brand camera has been acceptable. I know images
>taken with an off brand lens mounted on a Pentax body have been.

Yep. Pentax camera or lens is OK. 

The full rules *are* posted on the upload page, y'know...
http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php
 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

My issue is that I went to Ricoh for the GXR, used mostly Voigtländer and Leica 
lenses on that, and have since moved to primarily Leica lenses on Leica bodies. 
I've sold off most of the other digital gear and never owned any Pentax film 
gear other than the long gone 645. 

Nowadays when I use film, it is Polaroid or Hasselblad, and when I shoot 
digital it is nearly exclusively Leica. While I likely have a lot of older 
photos from a decade ago with Pentax gear, I've already cherry-picked the best 
and presented them. I'm much more interested in presenting what I'm working on 
nowadays vs resurrecting what I was working on @ decade ago...

G
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On Jan 1, 2018, at 6:15 PM, John  wrote:

>> On 12/31/2017 17:03, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 30/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>> Actually quite proud that my  main shooting kit consists of an
>> Olympus camera with 5 lenses, 2 of which are Pentax, one Voigtlander,
>> one Samyang and one Tokina. All primes, manual focus and manual
>> aperture.
>> Never been happier with shooting stills.
> 
> I may be wrong, but I believe in the past an image taken with a Pentax
> Lens mounted on an off brand camera has been acceptable. I know images
> taken with an off brand lens mounted on a Pentax body have been.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

That is a PUG rule..  I think ok for the book as well - but Mark will 
certainly correct if we are wrong :-)


ann

On 1/1/2018 1:15 PM, John wrote:

On 12/31/2017 17:03, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 30/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.


Actually quite proud that my  main shooting kit consists of an
Olympus camera with 5 lenses, 2 of which are Pentax, one Voigtlander,
one Samyang and one Tokina. All primes, manual focus and manual
aperture.

Never been happier with shooting stills.



I may be wrong, but I believe in the past an image taken with a Pentax
Lens mounted on an off brand camera has been acceptable. I know images
taken with an off brand lens mounted on a Pentax body have been.




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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On 12/31/2017 17:03, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 30/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.


Actually quite proud that my  main shooting kit consists of an
Olympus camera with 5 lenses, 2 of which are Pentax, one Voigtlander,
one Samyang and one Tokina. All primes, manual focus and manual
aperture.

Never been happier with shooting stills.



I may be wrong, but I believe in the past an image taken with a Pentax
Lens mounted on an off brand camera has been acceptable. I know images
taken with an off brand lens mounted on a Pentax body have been.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Boris. I’m more a good businessman than an artful photographer. I do 
like the efforts of Mark, Doug and others to keep the Pentax list about Pentax.

Paul

> On Jan 1, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> Definitely not envious here. But yes, my wrists keep telling me that the
> gear that I am using right now is of perfect size and weight.
> 
> As for the fact that Paul is using his gear to great success - thumbs up to
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> 
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:08 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> :-)  but some of us have a hard time lifting gear that you manage not onl
>> to lift, but to hold steady without a tripod.
>> 
>> some of us are envious...
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/31/2017 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> 
>>> I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
 
 That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no meaningful
 photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly Olympus
 EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
 
 On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> 
> Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I
> haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
> 
> G
> 
> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts 
>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Definitely not envious here. But yes, my wrists keep telling me that the
gear that I am using right now is of perfect size and weight.

As for the fact that Paul is using his gear to great success - thumbs up to
him, no doubt he is one of the best on the list here.

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:08 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> :-)  but some of us have a hard time lifting gear that you manage not onl
> to lift, but to hold steady without a tripod.
>
> some of us are envious...
>
> ann
>
>
> On 12/31/2017 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>>
>>> That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no meaningful
>>> photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly Olympus
>>> EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
 wrote:

 Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I
 haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.

 G

 On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Larry Colen wrote:

>
>
>Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> Some would say that the PDML is a drinking list with a photography problem...
>
>You make us sound like the photographic version of the Hash House Harriers.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Well I wouldnt say that since I don't drink at all

ann

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Some would say that the PDML is a drinking list with a photography problem...




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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Dec 31, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> Some would say that the PDML is a drinking list with a photography problem...
> 
> You make us sound like the photographic version of the Hash House Harriers.

And there's something wrong with that? ];-)

Happy New Year, all'y'all!

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Steve Cottrell wrote:

Some would say that the PDML is a drinking list with a photography problem...


You make us sound like the photographic version of the Hash House Harriers.





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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Some would say that the PDML is a drinking list with a photography problem...

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Ken Waller]

We have a few people on the PDML with various personality issues that
pop up from time to time ;-) 


Yo

MARK!

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Subject: Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018



Jack Davis wrote:

My guess is that those who don't 
buy a book includes primarily those

who see that they, again, have only
one image chosen.


We have a few people on the PDML with various personality issues that
pop up from time to time ;-) but I don't think we have anyone so petty
that they'd not buy a copy because it didn't have enough of their own
images in it.


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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:-)  but some of us have a hard time lifting gear that you manage not 
onl to lift, but to hold steady without a tripod.


some of us are envious...

ann

On 12/31/2017 2:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax.

Paul


On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no meaningful
photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly Olympus
EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.


On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I
haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.

G


On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts 

wrote:

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On 12/31/2017 2:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:


Maybe a relaxing of timeline rules... to bring back the bonnies of old -
Pentax equip - but for the 10th anniversary
allowing some photos taken in previous years in?

We always allow photos from previous years

 Now you tell me :-)
 anyway - those who have drifted away should be able to find suitable 
material in their archives..


Do think you should cut some slack for those over  ,um, [a certain age] 
who may not always remember what they have previously submitted...   and 
for that matter, you may not remeber what you previously rejected


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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On 30/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.

Actually quite proud that my  main shooting kit consists of an Olympus camera 
with 5 lenses, 2 of which are Pentax, one Voigtlander, one Samyang and one 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Steve Cottrell]

On 31/12/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>We always allow photos from previous years - as long as they haven't
>been submitted to the Photo Annual previously (we had to add that
>stipulation because of one member who submitted the same awful photo
>several years in a row, apparently thinking that it would somehow get
>better with age).

Actually I was hoping you'd become more forgetful with age.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On 31/12/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I
>haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.

Just send a vintage Pentax pic and edit the meta ;-)

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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I somehow manage to get by nicely and profitably shooting only Pentax. 

Paul

> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no meaningful
> photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly Olympus
> EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I
>> haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
>> 
>> G
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Brian Walters]

Three.

I still have my K-5 but it and a couple of lenses are just too heavy for me to
lug around these days so most of my photography is with the OM-Ds.

I've been searching through my Pentax shots from 2017 and it's going to be a
struggle to find submissions that I'm happy with. I know I can delve into the
previous years' archives but I'd prefer to submit current stuff if possible.


Cheers

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> On 01 January 2018 at 06:34 Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> 
> That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no meaningful
> photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly Olympus
> EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> > Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I
> > haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
> >
> > G
> >
> > > On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts 
> > wrote:
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> > > Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Boris Liberman wrote:

That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no meaningful
photography with the Pentax gear that I still have.


No matter how much I shoot, I could probably make the same claim.

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That makes at least two of us, Godfrey. I've also had done no meaningful
photography with the Pentax gear that I still have. It is mostly Olympus
EM-1 and Ricoh GXR-M for me.

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I
> haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years.
>
> G
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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ann sanfedele wrote:

>Maybe a relaxing of timeline rules... to bring back the bonnies of old - 
>Pentax equip - but for the 10th anniversary
>allowing some photos taken in previous years in?

We always allow photos from previous years - as long as they haven't
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On 31 December 2017 at 18:09, Bill  wrote:

> On 12/31/2017 10:56 AM, mike wilson wrote:
>
>> On 31 December 2017 at 12:53 Chris Mitchell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 December 2017 at 02:37, Mark Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>

 Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.


 Agree. It gives me the incentive to shoot film with my MXs, even though
 my

>>> digital shooting is now Fuji. Now. I've got half a dozen films to
>>> develop.
>>> Will be trying out those stainless steel spirals I bought from Ann.
>>>
>>
>> If you really get into that particular perversion, I have a
>> brand-spanking Jobo
>> processor somewhere in the attic.
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> You would be wise to take him up on that.
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> I've replied off-list.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Maybe a relaxing of timeline rules... to bring back the bonnies of old - 
Pentax equip - but for the 10th anniversary

allowing some photos taken in previous years in?

Just a thought
ann

On 12/30/2017 9:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may have switched 
to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same hand & eye behind 
the viewfinder.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On 12/31/2017 10:56 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 31 December 2017 at 12:53 Chris Mitchell  wrote:


On 31 December 2017 at 02:37, Mark Roberts 
wrote:




Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.


Agree. It gives me the incentive to shoot film with my MXs, even though my

digital shooting is now Fuji. Now. I've got half a dozen films to develop.
Will be trying out those stainless steel spirals I bought from Ann.


If you really get into that particular perversion, I have a brand-spanking Jobo
processor somewhere in the attic.



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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Sadly, then, I'll no longer be able to participate in the PDML Annual. I 
haven't owned anything Pentax or Ricoh for several years. 

G

> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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> On 31 December 2017 at 12:53 Chris Mitchell  wrote:
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> 
> On 31 December 2017 at 02:37, Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
> >
> >
> > Agree. It gives me the incentive to shoot film with my MXs, even though my
> digital shooting is now Fuji. Now. I've got half a dozen films to develop.
> Will be trying out those stainless steel spirals I bought from Ann.

If you really get into that particular perversion, I have a brand-spanking Jobo
processor somewhere in the attic.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> "Looks like i picked a bad time to order a D7200."
>
> TRAITOR!

Still using the K-5 and K10D.

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> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 9:00 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
>> > John wrote:
>> >
>> >>I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may
>> have switched to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same
>> hand & eye behind the viewfinder.
>> >
>> > Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>>
>> Looks like i picked a bad time to order a D7200.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"Looks like i picked a bad time to order a D7200."

TRAITOR!

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On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 9:00 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
> > John wrote:
> >
> >>I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may
> have switched to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same
> hand & eye behind the viewfinder.
> >
> > Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>
> Looks like i picked a bad time to order a D7200.
>
> Dave
>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"

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On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 9:00 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
> > John wrote:
> >
> >>I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may
> have switched to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same
> hand & eye behind the viewfinder.
> >
> > Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>
> Looks like i picked a bad time to order a D7200.
>
> Dave
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>>I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may have 
>>switched to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same hand & 
>>eye behind the viewfinder.
>
> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.

Looks like i picked a bad time to order a D7200.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Chris Mitchell]

On 31 December 2017 at 02:37, Mark Roberts 
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>
>
> Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
>
>
> Agree. It gives me the incentive to shoot film with my MXs, even though my
digital shooting is now Fuji. Now. I've got half a dozen films to develop.
Will be trying out those stainless steel spirals I bought from Ann.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Ken Waller]

Glad to hear Mark. There are other venues for posting images from alien cameras.

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>Subject: Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018
>
>John wrote:
>
>>I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may have 
>>switched to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same hand & 
>>eye behind the viewfinder.
>
>Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Mark Roberts]

John wrote:

>I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may have 
>switched to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same hand & 
>eye behind the viewfinder.

Only Pentax gear will be allowed for submitted photos.
 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[John]

I don't expect that is really going to be much of a problem. They may have switched 
to another manufacturer's equipment, but it's still the same hand & eye behind 
the viewfinder.

IF the group consensus is to bring back ex-PDML folks "with *whatever* 
equipment they're using now, I'm offering a suggestion how it might be done without 
losing the essential Pentaxness of the annual.

Won't bother me if my suggestion doesn't fly. I've plenty of experience with 
that. It's not for me to say who should be in or who should be out.

I'll submit my images (if I can find any I'm not ashamed to share); Mark will 
decide how to format the book and when it becomes available I'll buy it.

On 12/30/2017 14:44, mike wilson wrote:

Could be problematic if their pictures are now better.


On 30 December 2017 at 19:25 John  wrote:


Maybe add a supplemental section for former Pentax shooters.

On 12/30/2017 10:49, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

I'm sure there are many reasons why someone might or might not purchase a
copy of the annual. Most tend to do more with the cost of a book than
anything else, but even such seemingly trivial things as bookshelf space
count as a limitation that could prevent a purchase.

"Never degrade quality to expand sales: increase perceived value to expand
sales" is the only way to go. Book pricing is relatively fixed to a certain
minimum for the page count unless you move to cheaper paper, less expensive
covers, and such, but I wouldn't do any of those as they can degrade
perceived value.

My thought is that various ex-PDML folks left the list when they moved to
other equipment, for whatever reason. Inviting ex-PDML folks to join in
producing the 10th Anniversary edition with *whatever* equipment they're
using now, wanting to enjoy their photography regardless of what brand of
snappy box they use, might encourage more to participate AND buy.

... Because, in the end, I buy the PDML Annual to enjoy seeing photographs
by the other folks on this forum and to support the charity, that's the
value proposition of my payment, and what brand of equipment they used of
only passing interest..

(I must admit that this is also somewhat self-serving: I haven't used a
Pentax camera or lens to make photographs now for quite a few years. So
opening up the annual in such a way that recognizes my enthusiasm for the
PDML and for photography regardless of what brand of camera I use is pretty
much the only way I'll submit anything I've done in the past short eon of
my photography.)


I'm in the same boat, or rather dingy, as i shoot 4 systems and i have
photos from my Fuji or Nikon that would go nicely with the book but
cannot submit them. I know is a Pentax list but we do allow PESO's of
a different mother so to speak. I vote for keeping the format the same
and maybe some content about the 10 th book and all but open to adding
content from other manufactures maybe relegated to the back pages as
punishment for not ordering a K-1

Dave


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On 29/12/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:


My guess is that those who don't
buy a book includes primarily those
who see that they, again, have only
one image chosen.
Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
encouraging it understand, but would
increase the page count.







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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Brian Walters]

Cost is certainly an issue.

I think the last one was north of $A100 due to the current exchange rate, and
these days Blurb discounts seem to be pretty much non existent except for the
original author. 

I'll certainly still get a copy but I can understand why cost can be a factor.



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> On 30 December 2017 at 20:19 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 29/12/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >My guess is that those who don't 
> >buy a book includes primarily those
> >who see that they, again, have only
> >one image chosen.
> >Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
> >encouraging it understand, but would
> >increase the page count.
> 
> Not the case here.
> 
> I didn't buy the last one because the price was prohibitive for me. Simple as
> that. I'm not cash-rich at the moment so priorities mean disposable income is
> apportioned accordingly. Getting north of 40 quid for a book is beyond my
> limits I'm afraid. That situation will change in the coming year as we sell up
> and move.
> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[mike wilson]

Could be problematic if their pictures are now better.

> On 30 December 2017 at 19:25 John  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe add a supplemental section for former Pentax shooters.
> 
> On 12/30/2017 10:49, David J Brooks wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> >> I'm sure there are many reasons why someone might or might not purchase a
> >> copy of the annual. Most tend to do more with the cost of a book than
> >> anything else, but even such seemingly trivial things as bookshelf space
> >> count as a limitation that could prevent a purchase.
> >>
> >> "Never degrade quality to expand sales: increase perceived value to expand
> >> sales" is the only way to go. Book pricing is relatively fixed to a certain
> >> minimum for the page count unless you move to cheaper paper, less expensive
> >> covers, and such, but I wouldn't do any of those as they can degrade
> >> perceived value.
> >>
> >> My thought is that various ex-PDML folks left the list when they moved to
> >> other equipment, for whatever reason. Inviting ex-PDML folks to join in
> >> producing the 10th Anniversary edition with *whatever* equipment they're
> >> using now, wanting to enjoy their photography regardless of what brand of
> >> snappy box they use, might encourage more to participate AND buy.
> >>
> >> ... Because, in the end, I buy the PDML Annual to enjoy seeing photographs
> >> by the other folks on this forum and to support the charity, that's the
> >> value proposition of my payment, and what brand of equipment they used of
> >> only passing interest..
> >>
> >> (I must admit that this is also somewhat self-serving: I haven't used a
> >> Pentax camera or lens to make photographs now for quite a few years. So
> >> opening up the annual in such a way that recognizes my enthusiasm for the
> >> PDML and for photography regardless of what brand of camera I use is pretty
> >> much the only way I'll submit anything I've done in the past short eon of
> >> my photography.)
> > 
> > I'm in the same boat, or rather dingy, as i shoot 4 systems and i have
> > photos from my Fuji or Nikon that would go nicely with the book but
> > cannot submit them. I know is a Pentax list but we do allow PESO's of
> > a different mother so to speak. I vote for keeping the format the same
> > and maybe some content about the 10 th book and all but open to adding
> > content from other manufactures maybe relegated to the back pages as
> > punishment for not ordering a K-1
> > 
> > Dave
> >>
> >> G
> >> —
> >> "Equipment is transitory. Photographs endure."
> >>
> >>> On 29/12/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >>>
>  My guess is that those who don't
>  buy a book includes primarily those
>  who see that they, again, have only
>  one image chosen.
>  Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
>  encouraging it understand, but would
>  increase the page count.
> >>

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[John]

Maybe add a supplemental section for former Pentax shooters.

On 12/30/2017 10:49, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

I'm sure there are many reasons why someone might or might not purchase a copy 
of the annual. Most tend to do more with the cost of a book than anything else, 
but even such seemingly trivial things as bookshelf space count as a limitation 
that could prevent a purchase.

"Never degrade quality to expand sales: increase perceived value to expand 
sales" is the only way to go. Book pricing is relatively fixed to a certain minimum 
for the page count unless you move to cheaper paper, less expensive covers, and such, but 
I wouldn't do any of those as they can degrade perceived value.

My thought is that various ex-PDML folks left the list when they moved to other 
equipment, for whatever reason. Inviting ex-PDML folks to join in producing the 
10th Anniversary edition with *whatever* equipment they're using now, wanting 
to enjoy their photography regardless of what brand of snappy box they use, 
might encourage more to participate AND buy.

... Because, in the end, I buy the PDML Annual to enjoy seeing photographs by 
the other folks on this forum and to support the charity, that's the value 
proposition of my payment, and what brand of equipment they used of only 
passing interest..

(I must admit that this is also somewhat self-serving: I haven't used a Pentax 
camera or lens to make photographs now for quite a few years. So opening up the 
annual in such a way that recognizes my enthusiasm for the PDML and for 
photography regardless of what brand of camera I use is pretty much the only 
way I'll submit anything I've done in the past short eon of my photography.)


I'm in the same boat, or rather dingy, as i shoot 4 systems and i have
photos from my Fuji or Nikon that would go nicely with the book but
cannot submit them. I know is a Pentax list but we do allow PESO's of
a different mother so to speak. I vote for keeping the format the same
and maybe some content about the 10 th book and all but open to adding
content from other manufactures maybe relegated to the back pages as
punishment for not ordering a K-1

Dave


G
—
"Equipment is transitory. Photographs endure."


On 29/12/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:


My guess is that those who don't
buy a book includes primarily those
who see that they, again, have only
one image chosen.
Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
encouraging it understand, but would
increase the page count.





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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I'm sure there are many reasons why someone might or might not purchase a 
> copy of the annual. Most tend to do more with the cost of a book than 
> anything else, but even such seemingly trivial things as bookshelf space 
> count as a limitation that could prevent a purchase.
>
> "Never degrade quality to expand sales: increase perceived value to expand 
> sales" is the only way to go. Book pricing is relatively fixed to a certain 
> minimum for the page count unless you move to cheaper paper, less expensive 
> covers, and such, but I wouldn't do any of those as they can degrade 
> perceived value.
>
> My thought is that various ex-PDML folks left the list when they moved to 
> other equipment, for whatever reason. Inviting ex-PDML folks to join in 
> producing the 10th Anniversary edition with *whatever* equipment they're 
> using now, wanting to enjoy their photography regardless of what brand of 
> snappy box they use, might encourage more to participate AND buy.
>
> ... Because, in the end, I buy the PDML Annual to enjoy seeing photographs by 
> the other folks on this forum and to support the charity, that's the value 
> proposition of my payment, and what brand of equipment they used of only 
> passing interest..
>
> (I must admit that this is also somewhat self-serving: I haven't used a 
> Pentax camera or lens to make photographs now for quite a few years. So 
> opening up the annual in such a way that recognizes my enthusiasm for the 
> PDML and for photography regardless of what brand of camera I use is pretty 
> much the only way I'll submit anything I've done in the past short eon of my 
> photography.)

I'm in the same boat, or rather dingy, as i shoot 4 systems and i have
photos from my Fuji or Nikon that would go nicely with the book but
cannot submit them. I know is a Pentax list but we do allow PESO's of
a different mother so to speak. I vote for keeping the format the same
and maybe some content about the 10 th book and all but open to adding
content from other manufactures maybe relegated to the back pages as
punishment for not ordering a K-1

Dave
>
> G
> —
> "Equipment is transitory. Photographs endure."
>
>> On 29/12/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> My guess is that those who don't
>>> buy a book includes primarily those
>>> who see that they, again, have only
>>> one image chosen.
>>> Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
>>> encouraging it understand, but would
>>> increase the page count.
>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Daniel J. Matyola]

My suggestion:

1.  Do the Annual as before, perhaps trying to bring the price down just a
bit.

2.  Do a special anniversary supplement, featuring the best of the best
over the last 10 years.
  (Perhaps this might be a calendar or a poster or some other format.)

3.  Establish a voluntary scholarship fund to reduce the cost for those who
are economically stressed, and have been regular contributors.

Just some random thoughts to confuse the issue. 

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> As a tenth anniversary edition, make the content something special but
> don't change the format. You want it to go on the shelf with the earlier
> editions and loon in synch with them.
>
> More pages, a special section themed for the ten year anniversary, etc.
>
> G
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have a question for the masses:
> >
> > Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
> > or more pages? (Or both)
> >
> > Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
> > disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
> > buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
> >
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'm sure there are many reasons why someone might or might not purchase a copy 
of the annual. Most tend to do more with the cost of a book than anything else, 
but even such seemingly trivial things as bookshelf space count as a limitation 
that could prevent a purchase. 

"Never degrade quality to expand sales: increase perceived value to expand 
sales" is the only way to go. Book pricing is relatively fixed to a certain 
minimum for the page count unless you move to cheaper paper, less expensive 
covers, and such, but I wouldn't do any of those as they can degrade perceived 
value. 

My thought is that various ex-PDML folks left the list when they moved to other 
equipment, for whatever reason. Inviting ex-PDML folks to join in producing the 
10th Anniversary edition with *whatever* equipment they're using now, wanting 
to enjoy their photography regardless of what brand of snappy box they use, 
might encourage more to participate AND buy. 

... Because, in the end, I buy the PDML Annual to enjoy seeing photographs by 
the other folks on this forum and to support the charity, that's the value 
proposition of my payment, and what brand of equipment they used of only 
passing interest..

(I must admit that this is also somewhat self-serving: I haven't used a Pentax 
camera or lens to make photographs now for quite a few years. So opening up the 
annual in such a way that recognizes my enthusiasm for the PDML and for 
photography regardless of what brand of camera I use is pretty much the only 
way I'll submit anything I've done in the past short eon of my photography.)

G
—
"Equipment is transitory. Photographs endure."

> On 29/12/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> My guess is that those who don't 
>> buy a book includes primarily those
>> who see that they, again, have only
>> one image chosen.
>> Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
>> encouraging it understand, but would
>> increase the page count.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Steve Cottrell]

On 29/12/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My guess is that those who don't 
>buy a book includes primarily those
>who see that they, again, have only
>one image chosen.
>Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
>encouraging it understand, but would
>increase the page count.

Not the case here.

I didn't buy the last one because the price was prohibitive for me. Simple as 
that. I'm not cash-rich at the moment so priorities mean disposable income is 
apportioned accordingly. Getting north of 40 quid for a book is beyond my 
limits I'm afraid. That situation will change in the coming year as we sell up 
and move.

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018 aaarrgh! correction

[Stanley Halpin]

If you are missing 2014, doesn’t that make you one year younger?

stan

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I'm wrong my bookshelf is missing 2014... so 10th is right..
> sorry guys.. I'm so old
> 
> ann
> 
> On 12/29/2017 8:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>> so actually - more like the 9th anniversary?
>> 
>> (answering my own post)
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> On 12/29/2017 8:56 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>>> Its the 10th anniversary but only the 9th book...
>>> the first one was 2008-09
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> On 12/29/2017 8:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Same size, same format. A nod to the tenth anniversary is good. Perhaps 
 you might lead with the photos of those who have contributed to all ten. 
 Maybe each could write 100 words about what the PDML has meant to them.
 
 Paul
 
> On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, John  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/29/2017 13:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> I have a question for the masses:
>> Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
>> or more pages? (Or both)
>> Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
>> disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
>> buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
> Would it be possible to have a larger version as an option? That is,
> have the book the same size as it has been, but with a deluxe, larger
> format version available for those who want one?
> 
> Understand that I know bupkis about putting the book together and what
> Blurb will do to accommodate us, so whatever the group finally decides,
> I'm in and I'll be buying at least one copy.
> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Ken Waller]

I'm all with Paul on this !


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>From: Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com>
>Subject: Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018
>
>Same size, same format. A nod to the tenth anniversary is good. Perhaps you 
>might lead with the photos of those who have contributed to all ten. Maybe 
>each could write 100 words about what the PDML has meant to them.
>
>Paul
>
>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/29/2017 13:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> I have a question for the masses:
>>> Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
>>> or more pages? (Or both)
>>> Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
>>> disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
>>> buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
>>>  
>> 
>> Would it be possible to have a larger version as an option? That is,
>> have the book the same size as it has been, but with a deluxe, larger
>> format version available for those who want one?
>> 
>> Understand that I know bupkis about putting the book together and what
>> Blurb will do to accommodate us, so whatever the group finally decides,
>> I'm in and I'll be buying at least one copy.
>> 
>> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Jack Davis]

Anxiety tolerance is not for others
to decide.

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> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
>> My guess is that those who don't 
>> buy a book includes primarily those
>> who see that they, again, have only
>> one image chosen.
> 
> We have a few people on the PDML with various personality issues that
> pop up from time to time ;-) but I don't think we have anyone so petty
> that they'd not buy a copy because it didn't have enough of their own
> images in it.
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

I did count the ones on the shelf! Har  - see my follow up
I'm missing 2014 - that might be the year I had no benefactor and even 
less money than usual -- if I had the

ebook it went with the hard drive crash that year.

sigh..
ancient ann


On 12/29/2017 9:17 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:


Its the 10th anniversary but only the 9th book...
the first one was 2008-09

9th anniversary, 10th book:
1 - 2008/9
2 - 2010
3 - 2011
4 - 2012
5 - 2013
6 - 2014
7 - 2015
8 - 2016
9 - 2017
10 - 2018

Or just count the ones on the shelf ;-)
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>As a tenth anniversary edition, make the content something special but don't 
>change the format. You want it to go on the shelf with the earlier editions 
>and loon in synch with them. 
>
>More pages, a special section themed for the ten year anniversary, etc. 

This sounds like the best idea. (It'll save a lot of work, too.)
 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Mark Roberts]

ann sanfedele wrote:

>Its the 10th anniversary but only the 9th book...
>the first one was 2008-09

9th anniversary, 10th book:
1 - 2008/9
2 - 2010
3 - 2011
4 - 2012
5 - 2013
6 - 2014
7 - 2015
8 - 2016
9 - 2017
10 - 2018

Or just count the ones on the shelf ;-)
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/pdmlbooks.jpg
 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Mark Roberts]

Jack Davis wrote:

>My guess is that those who don't 
>buy a book includes primarily those
>who see that they, again, have only
>one image chosen.

We have a few people on the PDML with various personality issues that
pop up from time to time ;-) but I don't think we have anyone so petty
that they'd not buy a copy because it didn't have enough of their own
images in it.

 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018 aaarrgh! correction

[ann sanfedele]

I'm wrong my bookshelf is missing 2014... so 10th is right..
sorry guys.. I'm so old

ann

On 12/29/2017 8:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

so actually - more like the 9th anniversary?

(answering my own post)

ann

On 12/29/2017 8:56 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Its the 10th anniversary but only the 9th book...
the first one was 2008-09

ann

On 12/29/2017 8:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Same size, same format. A nod to the tenth anniversary is good. 
Perhaps you might lead with the photos of those who have contributed 
to all ten. Maybe each could write 100 words about what the PDML has 
meant to them.


Paul


On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, John  wrote:


On 12/29/2017 13:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
I have a question for the masses:
Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger 
format

or more pages? (Or both)
Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.

Would it be possible to have a larger version as an option? That is,
have the book the same size as it has been, but with a deluxe, larger
format version available for those who want one?

Understand that I know bupkis about putting the book together and what
Blurb will do to accommodate us, so whatever the group finally 
decides,

I'm in and I'll be buying at least one copy.



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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

so actually - more like the 9th anniversary?

(answering my own post)

ann

On 12/29/2017 8:56 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Its the 10th anniversary but only the 9th book...
the first one was 2008-09

ann

On 12/29/2017 8:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Same size, same format. A nod to the tenth anniversary is good. 
Perhaps you might lead with the photos of those who have contributed 
to all ten. Maybe each could write 100 words about what the PDML has 
meant to them.


Paul


On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, John  wrote:


On 12/29/2017 13:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
I have a question for the masses:
Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
or more pages? (Or both)
Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.

Would it be possible to have a larger version as an option? That is,
have the book the same size as it has been, but with a deluxe, larger
format version available for those who want one?

Understand that I know bupkis about putting the book together and what
Blurb will do to accommodate us, so whatever the group finally decides,
I'm in and I'll be buying at least one copy.



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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

Its the 10th anniversary but only the 9th book...
the first one was 2008-09

ann

On 12/29/2017 8:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Same size, same format. A nod to the tenth anniversary is good. Perhaps you 
might lead with the photos of those who have contributed to all ten. Maybe each 
could write 100 words about what the PDML has meant to them.

Paul


On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, John  wrote:


On 12/29/2017 13:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
I have a question for the masses:
Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
or more pages? (Or both)
Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
  

Would it be possible to have a larger version as an option? That is,
have the book the same size as it has been, but with a deluxe, larger
format version available for those who want one?

Understand that I know bupkis about putting the book together and what
Blurb will do to accommodate us, so whatever the group finally decides,
I'm in and I'll be buying at least one copy.



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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Stanley Halpin]

Use however pages are needed for the content.
But please keep the same format!
a) for compatibility on the bookshelf; and
b) because in my own experience with larger formats, the “standard” 
seems to be the most usable.
stan

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> I have a question for the masses:
> 
> Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
> or more pages? (Or both)
> 
> Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
> disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
> buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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Same size, same format. A nod to the tenth anniversary is good. Perhaps you 
might lead with the photos of those who have contributed to all ten. Maybe each 
could write 100 words about what the PDML has meant to them.

Paul

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, John  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/29/2017 13:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> I have a question for the masses:
>> Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
>> or more pages? (Or both)
>> Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
>> disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
>> buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
>>  
> 
> Would it be possible to have a larger version as an option? That is,
> have the book the same size as it has been, but with a deluxe, larger
> format version available for those who want one?
> 
> Understand that I know bupkis about putting the book together and what
> Blurb will do to accommodate us, so whatever the group finally decides,
> I'm in and I'll be buying at least one copy.
> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

second that

We are making a lot of work for Mark but he did ask ! :-)
ann

On 12/29/2017 8:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

As a tenth anniversary edition, make the content something special but don't 
change the format. You want it to go on the shelf with the earlier editions and 
loon in synch with them.

More pages, a special section themed for the ten year anniversary, etc.

G



On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

I have a question for the masses:

Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
or more pages? (Or both)

Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.




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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

As a tenth anniversary edition, make the content something special but don't 
change the format. You want it to go on the shelf with the earlier editions and 
loon in synch with them. 

More pages, a special section themed for the ten year anniversary, etc. 

G


> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> I have a question for the masses:
> 
> Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
> or more pages? (Or both)
> 
> Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
> disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
> buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
> 

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

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On 12/29/2017 13:23, Mark Roberts wrote:

I have a question for the masses:

Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
or more pages? (Or both)

Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
  



Would it be possible to have a larger version as an option? That is,
have the book the same size as it has been, but with a deluxe, larger
format version available for those who want one?

Understand that I know bupkis about putting the book together and what
Blurb will do to accommodate us, so whatever the group finally decides,
I'm in and I'll be buying at least one copy.



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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[ann sanfedele]

I'm for keeping format the same... I actually like the paperback the 
best..  but more pages if the submissions

warrant it.

an

On 12/29/2017 3:12 PM, Jan van Wijk wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:23:19 -0500 Mark Roberts wrote:

Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
or more pages? (Or both)

Special in contents perhaps, but not a larger format.
Some extra pages would be fine with me ...


Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.

Agree, while the price does not bother me too much, I would like
the format of the book to stay the same, so it fits in with the
growing stack of previous ones :)

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Re: PDML Photo Annual #10 Coming in 2018

[Jack Davis]

My guess is that those who don't 
buy a book includes primarily those
who see that they, again, have only
one image chosen.
Perhaps even a slight quality softening would increase sales. Not
encouraging it understand, but would
increase the page count.

J


ase sales

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> On Dec 29, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> I have a question for the masses:
> 
> Should we do this one as a special edition of some kind? Larger format
> or more pages? (Or both)
> 
> Keep in mind that this would raise the price. And we already have a
> disappointing number of people who put photos into the book but don't
> buy a copy themselves. We don't want to drag sales numbers down.
> 
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