RE: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-02 Thread Jens Bladt
really figure out. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. Alling Sendt: 31. august 2006 19:38 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K10D Facts

RE: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-02 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, Jens Bladt wrote: The X is hopefully for Flash. A much missed feature since the PZ-1p. The speed may by accident be set wrong on my D, since I alway use M mode for flash photography - in combination with TTL or studio flash (flash meter). What kind of wrong? Slower than

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-02 Thread Thibouille
If you do not use a dedicated flash, the camera won't go to X-sync speed automaticaly and you might select a speed higher than x-sync speed. In that case a X setting is useful: you know you use fastest flash speed possible and only that speed. 2006/9/2, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-02 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, Thibouille wrote: If you do not use a dedicated flash, the camera won't go to X-sync speed automaticaly and you might select a speed higher than x-sync speed. On the MZ-S you can select higher than X but it either doesn't fire it or it stays at the top speed (can't

RE: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Lie Arne
Hi, Found this link at dpreview: http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attachtype=postid=5887 - arne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Tainter Sent: 1. september 2006 05:42 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/9/06, Lie Arne, discombobulated, unleashed: Found this link at dpreview: http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attachtype=postid=5887 That's about right. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-09-01 Thread Toralf Lund
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 01/09/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel, Stars are very similar to a hot pixel. Very difficult to differentiate. Unless the camera can tell the difference between an open and closed shutter of course! That's where your per-pixel gain

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-09-01 Thread Toralf Lund
Actually, after thinking about this for a while longer, it occurred to me that per-pixel gain and offset may be all there is to it. [ ... ] Being able to sense and apply per-pixel gain will lead to a normalized output per pixel but it still can't negate thermal and other random noise

RE: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Rob Brigham
http://www.photozone.de Don't know if I can link to the exact topic but it isnt hard to find! Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Tainter Sent: 01 September 2006 04:42 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
For all neee sayers to SD cards in K10D: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06090101pretec8gbsdhc.asp ;-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/09/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all neee sayers to SD cards in K10D: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06090101pretec8gbsdhc.asp Man that ought to come with a built in GPS tracking, I'd hate to literally lose 8GB of shots. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Gonz
With all that new dynamic range, that should be all of 10 shots? ;) rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/09/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all neee sayers to SD cards in K10D: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06090101pretec8gbsdhc.asp Man that ought to come with

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Tom C
My question is how long it will be before CS2 is able to convert RAW images from the K10D. Tom C. From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:00:23

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 01.09.2006, at 19:07 , Tom C wrote: My question is how long it will be before CS2 is able to convert RAW images from the K10D. If K10D will really have DNG as its native RAW format - then you can open and edit K10D RAWs in CS2 and Lightroom RIGHT NOW :-) Chhers, Sylwek -- PDML

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread mike wilson
List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:00:23 -0500 With all that new dynamic range, that should be all of 10 shots? ;) rg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson wrote: Tom C wrote: My question is how long it will be before CS2 is able to convert RAW images from the K10D. Photoshop CS2 will do it right now because the latest Pentax Photo Lab software will generate Adobe DNG files for you (even if the camera doesn't, as rumored, generate

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Kenneth Waller
. :-) Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 Tom C wrote: My question is how long it will be before CS2 is able to convert RAW images from the K10D. Tom C. That'll be CS3, $800 Sir, ching! Thank you

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-09-01 Thread Tom C
Yes Camera Raw is what I meant. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:11:57 -0400 mike wilson wrote: Tom C wrote: My

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread John Forbes
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:11:41 +0100, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of the K10D, there's so many eddies in the the internet flow that creating a summary of common knowledge could be fun. AFAIK, a list of reasonably well established facts include: 10 Mpx Anti-shake

RE: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yes ... but I can't talk about it. Shel [Original Message] From: Jostein Øksne On the subject of the K10D, there's so many eddies in the the internet flow that creating a summary of common knowledge could be fun. AFAIK, a list of reasonably well established facts include: 10 Mpx

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
lol You must have got the coffee, then. Posting at half past one in the morning... Cheers, Jostein On 8/31/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes ... but I can't talk about it. Shel [Original Message] From: Jostein Øksne On the subject of the K10D, there's so many eddies

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I generally don't sleep much don't drink much coffee either, except for an occasional cup of decaf. Shel [Original Message] From: Jostein Øksne lol You must have got the coffee, then. Posting at half past one in the morning... Cheers, Jostein On 8/31/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Rob, who admits to having seen a press release, confirmed that it has a battery grip. When I searched the web for rumors, I found continued reference to extended dynamic range and advanced noise reduction. Both of these are apparently detailed in patents filed by Pentax. They also seem to be

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
HAR! On Aug 31, 2006, at 4:37 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Yes ... but I can't talk about it. Shel [Original Message] From: Jostein Øksne On the subject of the K10D, there's so many eddies in the the internet flow that creating a summary of common knowledge could be fun. AFAIK, a list

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/31/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, who admits to having seen a press release, confirmed that it has a battery grip. When I searched the web for rumors, I found continued reference to extended dynamic range and advanced noise reduction. Both of these are apparently

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 12:56 , Jostein Øksne wrote: So while I cannot and will not blatantly disclose what I have been told in confidence, I'm happy to serve as a chaos pilot and summarise those things that are already well established in the public domain. But I haven't read all the threads

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread David Savage
At 07:36 PM 31/08/2006, Lucas Rijnders wrote: Check the 'ordered m K10 today'. Rob is dropping heavy hints (about weather sealing, mainly), and someone called 'gerasimov' from Bulgaria posted a credible list of features containing a 22 bit A/D coverter. That could be Aaron's 67-ditching

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:34:22 +0200 schreef Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rob, who admits to having seen a press release, confirmed that it has a battery grip. When I searched the web for rumors, I found continued reference to extended dynamic range and advanced noise reduction. Both of

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 13:36 , Lucas Rijnders wrote: Over at digitalfotonetz.de someone has been prying around in his K100's mount, and found pre-drilled holes at the location of the former powerzoom contacts. As the DS and DL definately do not have this, assumption is the K10 will share

Re: Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread mike wilson
From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I haven't read all the threads thoroughly over the last weeks (I have had very prominent guests in my house, and they have of course had the right of way.), so I'd be grateful for help in gathering the bits. I've already said I'm on a diet! 8-(((

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 8/31/06 7:49 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, space for powerzoom contacts was provided in K100D prototype, but it seems it disappeared in production K100D... People in Japan are reporting the same thing. They say the holes are sealed but could be pried open, but

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 31/08/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hows the chin Rob?, feeling better? Yes! Time for another uppercut. I'm fine, some interesting information is surfacing though! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:14:57 +0200 schreef Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 31/08/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hows the chin Rob?, feeling better? Yes! Time for another uppercut. I'm fine, some interesting information is surfacing though! :o) Anyone care to make

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 14:15 , K.Takeshita wrote: I guess what's happening is that the mount component is shared between K100D and K10D but those two contacts are disabled for K100D. Speculation (with some wishful thinking) is that these are definitely for USM (which is pretty well

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread David Savage
At 08:14 PM 31/08/2006, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 31/08/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hows the chin Rob?, feeling better? Yes! Time for another uppercut. I'm fine, some interesting information is surfacing though! I've been out of the loop the last couple of days so

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 14:31 , Lucas Rijnders wrote: :o) Anyone care to make an educated guess to RAW speed buffer given that JPEG is 3 fps 'streaming'? Well, if K10D is going to be 2x better camera than original *istD, then it should have the buffer for RAWs twice as big ;-) Cheers, Sylwek

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:15:42 +0200 schreef K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 8/31/06 7:49 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, space for powerzoom contacts was provided in K100D prototype, but it seems it disappeared in production K100D... snip Speculation (with

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 14:38 , Lucas Rijnders wrote: They won't. Sharing between K10 and K100 is a more logical explanation. And don't forget Pentax seems to be on a 6 month replacement cycle with the lower end bodies. Enabling USM on the K100 for PMA (K100s? K200?) is quite easy now...

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would be interesting to have possibility of adapting K100D for USM lenses ;-) But it is also possible that they planned to include USM support in K100D and dropped it because it wasn't complete and they wanted to

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 14:54 , Pål Jensen wrote: Maybe the contacts pop out the moment you mount an USM lens? I don't think so. In the patent that I found a few years ago these contacts were used to drive powerzoom lenses too. So if K10D would support USM lenses we could expect it to support

Re: Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
Hey dude, D'you fink your'e the only one? Jostein :-( On 8/31/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I haven't read all the threads thoroughly over the last weeks (I have had very prominent guests in my house, and they have of course had the

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:56:06 +0200 schreef Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 31.08.2006, at 14:38 , Lucas Rijnders wrote: They won't. Sharing between K10 and K100 is a more logical explanation. And don't forget Pentax seems to be on a 6 month replacement cycle with the lower end

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 8/31/06 9:14 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the patent that I found a few years ago these contacts were used to drive powerzoom lenses too. Those hidden contact (for K100D) are exactly where the PZ contacts used to be. Ken P.S. Sealing of these contacts are not

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the contacts pop out the moment you mount an USM lens? Hm. I think that would mean that all the old powerzoom lenses would be unusable on the K10D. That seems unlikely, imo. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/31/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two wheels. Like the D. Fact or speculation? Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/31/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone care to make an educated guess to RAW speed buffer given that JPEG is 3 fps 'streaming'? So... 3fps is a fact? Streaming JPEGs meaning no buffer congestion for JPEG? Fact or rumor? Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 31/08/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. Sealing of these contacts are not exactly the duct tape job, but I gathered that they are plugged some type of resin or something. May be it is a matter of removing those materials and upgrade the firmware? I vote this post for

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 15:12 , Lucas Rijnders wrote: Of course the Dynax 9 was a pro camera (if I understood Minolta's numbering scheme correctly), while the K100 is at the absolute low end of the DSLR market. Different customers, and different amounts of customers... I guess it would be

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:27:03 +0200 schreef Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 8/31/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone care to make an educated guess to RAW speed buffer given that JPEG is 3 fps 'streaming'? So... 3fps is a fact? Apologies: rumour from an unconfirmed

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:22:13 +0200 schreef Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 8/31/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two wheels. Like the D. Fact or speculation? Fact. Check out the PMA and PIE photo's that have been online since last febuary. -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 8/31/06 9:23 AM, Digital Image Studio, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May be it is a matter of removing those materials and upgrade the firmware? I vote this post for prediction of the month, nice going Ken ;-) Actually, the remark was with a bit of tongue-in-cheek which did not come out so

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread pnstenquist
Very good synopsis. You are well organized, aren't you:-) Paul -- Original message -- From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Based on the floaters from the previous thread, here's an update. The wish from John Forbes for a two-wheel interface aka *istD and

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 15:39 , Jostein Øksne wrote: Facts: 10 Mpx Anti-shake Evolved K-mount SD memory cards, with support for 2 GB cards. Battery grip HyperProgram (two wheels) 3 fps Speculations: Proprietary Li-Ion battery The evolution of K-mount is for in-lens AF motors Anti-dust

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 8/31/06 9:39 AM, Jostein Øksne, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then came all the observations of powerzoom contacts present in K100D. Was the subject on the power zoom feature? I thought people were talking about using these contacts for USM drive. I thought PZ itself is a dead issue (can see no

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:39:17 +0200 schreef Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Based on the floaters from the previous thread, here's an update. The wish from John Forbes for a two-wheel interface aka *istD and (P)Z-1p seems so likely I threw it into facts at face value. Rob's battery grip

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good synopsis. You are well organized, aren't you:-) Um... Don't ask my wife that question, please... Meanwhile, the HyP got further support from Lucas with reference to published images, so that's now an established fact, while the

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/31/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was the subject on the power zoom feature? I thought people were talking about using these contacts for USM drive. I thought PZ itself is a dead issue (can see no reason to resurrect it, particularly if Pentax are planning to equip lenses with

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/09/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good synopsis. You are well organized, aren't you:-) Um... Don't ask my wife that question, please... Meanwhile, the HyP got further support from Lucas with reference to

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread K.Takeshita
I really do not want to stir the pot any further, but I just encountered a post in Japan that reported that; [He went to Pentax Forum (Sort of central service centre in Tokyo) to get the sensor cleaned. He tried to steer people there into the discussion on K10D, by telling that he was concerned

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread David Savage
Chuck it. Dave On 8/31/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you think, should we keep the PowerZoom in the rumor pool, or throw it out all together? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
More proof of HyP. But there's new acronym on that dial too; Sv. Jostein On 8/31/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/09/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good synopsis. You are well organized, aren't

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 8/31/06 10:04 AM, Jostein Øksne, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you think, should we keep the PowerZoom in the rumor pool, or throw it out all together? If you ask me, I would throw PZ rumour out ;-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 16:10 , Digital Image Studio wrote: An then there's the pic following found on the following thread: http://www.converse.ru/img/460805808.jpg http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=19822373 Yes it's a Sumdung but check out the mode dial Sv? Could it

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread David Savage
On 8/31/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/09/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good synopsis. You are well organized, aren't you:-) Um... Don't ask my wife that question, please... Meanwhile,

Re: Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread mike wilson
From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/31 Thu PM 01:09:00 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: K10D - facts and speculations Hey dude, D'you fink your'e the only one? Jostein :-( 8-( indeed. Been out on my bicycle twice, leaving

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:17:42 +0200 schreef David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 8/31/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/09/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good synopsis. You are well organized,

Re: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread mike wilson
From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/31 Thu PM 01:56:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 On 8/31/06 9:39 AM, Jostein Øksne, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then came all the observations of powerzoom contacts present

Re: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread mike wilson
From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/31 Thu PM 02:21:54 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 On 8/31/06 10:04 AM, Jostein Øksne, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you think, should we keep the PowerZoom in the rumor

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 16:21 , K.Takeshita wrote: If you ask me, I would throw PZ rumour out ;-). In KAF3 patent both lenses were usable - USM and Powerzoom ones. It was easy to implement as both use the same, good, old PZ contacts for power. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

RE: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Rob Brigham
Hi guys - been lurking and not managing to keep up with the list for some time but starting to get K10D urges! From Roland Mabo: 10.2Mp APS-C sized sensor Hardware noise-killing processing (The K10D will have the lowest noise at high ISO of all the 10Mp cameras, thank's to new noise-killing

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:20:05 +0200 schreef K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I really do not want to stir the pot any further, but I just encountered a post in Japan that reported that; [He went to Pentax Forum (Sort of central service centre in Tokyo) to get the sensor cleaned. He tried

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 16:34 , mike wilson wrote: Not for USM drive directly but power for the USM motor. There would have to be some sensor/logic coupling, also, to achieve focus. So I would assume more contacts in the bayonet. Mike, I think one digital contact in mount as used in F, FA and

RE: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread pnstenquist
This looks to be what Aaron and the other insiders saw. Thanks. Paul -- Original message -- From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi guys - been lurking and not managing to keep up with the list for some time but starting to get K10D urges! From Roland Mabo:

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Pål Jensen
Full metal body (Metal outside and inside, inspired by MZ-S construction) This is extremely unlikely and unthinkable at the rumored price. BTW The whole list is just an assemblages of the rumors floating around Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread mike wilson
From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/31 Thu PM 02:20:46 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 More proof of HyP. But there's new acronym on that dial too; Sv. And TAv? Jostein On 8/31/06, Digital Image Studio

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] So my real vote is no USM capability for the K100D :-). Many people might wish this be wrong and I have absolutely no foundation in predicting anything on this. The problem I have with this is that it is at odds with Pentax

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Dario Bonazza
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Add to speculations weather proof body - it was mentioned here several times in the past. And I don't know how the rest, but I feel that such a complete DSLR could be the most innovative and revolutionary Pentax since LX ;-) And then, when everything (being it true

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Toralf Lund
Rob, who admits to having seen a press release, confirmed that it has a battery grip. When I searched the web for rumors, I found continued reference to extended dynamic range and advanced noise reduction. Both of these are apparently detailed in patents filed by Pentax. They also seem

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Toralf Lund
mike wilson wrote: From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/31 Thu PM 01:56:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2 On 8/31/06 9:39 AM, Jostein Øksne, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then came all the observations of powerzoom

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/09/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably. The K10 proto has it in red, like on older Pentax camera's. K10 does not have TAv and Sv, by the way. Really? ;-) What about raised text like the LX SS dial? Interestingly, there is a lot of space left on the K10 dial. Not

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Cotty
Over at digitalfotonetz.de someone has been prying around in his K100's mount, and found pre-drilled holes at the location of the former powerzoom contacts. As the DS and DL definately do not have this, assumption is the K10 will share the mirrorbox with the 100, and will have USM

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne
BTW The whole list is just an assemblages of the rumors floating around That's given. Look at the name of the thread. Some rumors seem more substantiated than others, though. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/09/06, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. This has been discussed to great length before, but unless they have done something radical in other stages, the sensor itself doesn't have a dynamic range anywhere near the one associated with a 22-bit A/D converter, so why would they

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/09/06, Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 fps JPEG streaming (The hardware noise-killing technology slows down the image processing so it isn't possible with more than 3 fps, but in future versions of this technology they may be able to speed it up to allow for faster frames per

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 17:02 , Cotty wrote: So let me get this right. If USM or it's Pentax-monikered equivalent is introduced, anyone that wants to take advantage of it is going to have to buy new lens(es) ? Exactly. One must have lenses with built-in USM motor for USM to work :-) But I

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:02, Cotty wrote: So let me get this right. If USM or it's Pentax-monikered equivalent is introduced, anyone that wants to take advantage of it is going to have to buy new lens(es) ? Well, if my 50mm f1.7 A lens doesn't automatically get USM capability then I'm

Re: Re: Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Juan Buhler
On 8/31/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there's new acronym on that dial too; Sv. And TAv? Sv: Sensitivity priority. Set the ISO, the camera selects T and A. TAv: T and A priority. Set both T and A, the camera selects the ISO for correct exposure. If I were to implement this I'd

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread pnstenquist
Isn't that the case with any new technology. However, one's old lenses will still work as well as they did previously. And most of us, sooner or later, purchase some new lenses. It's a worthwhile feature. Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check the 'ordered m K10 today'. Rob is dropping heavy hints (about weather sealing, mainly), and someone called 'gerasimov' from Bulgaria posted a credible list of features containing a 22 bit A/D coverter. That could be Aaron's 67-ditching feature... Hmmm.

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Exactly. One must have lenses with built-in USM motor for USM to work :-) But I guess new mount would be back compatible, so older lenses would work the way they usually did ;-) Would the opposite also be correct? Would USM lenses work as AF

RE: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Rob Brigham
) as a backup body. Rob Brigham Badger Software Ltd www.badger.co.uk 0118 9464488 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylwester Pietrzyk Sent: 31 August 2006 16:28 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D - facts and speculations

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 17:46 , Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Would the opposite also be correct? Would USM lenses work as AF lenses on screw-driver bodies? I would rather say no as it doesn't make sns economically, but one never knows... Would they even work as MF lenses? It is very possible.

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Joseph Tainter
Anything else? Jostein - Jostein, you are one of the ones who knows! Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Joseph Tainter
I thought people were talking about using these contacts for USM drive. I thought PZ itself is a dead issue (can see no reason to resurrect it, particularly if Pentax are planning to equip lenses with USM), but the concept of driving something in a lens (instead of PZ) is a logical one when we

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread Joseph Tainter
http://www.converse.ru/img/460805808.jpg http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=19822373 Yes it's a Sumdung but check out the mode dial - Which is why I think we will get ISO set and other useful things in the menu. And check out how the lens is mounted. Do you trust

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.08.2006, at 17:50 , Rob Brigham wrote: The bigger question I guess would be whether these new USM lenses also have the mechanical linkages to work on older bodies? I have a strong suspicion that they will not, but would love to be wrong... If not then it is less useful to have an

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread Toralf Lund
Hmmm. This has been discussed to great length before, but unless they have done something radical in other stages, the sensor itself doesn't have a dynamic range anywhere near the one associated with a 22-bit A/D converter, so why would they do that? The likey ADC/pre-processor has a

Re: K10D - facts and speculations

2006-08-31 Thread DagT
Den 31. aug. 2006 kl. 17.52 skrev Joseph Tainter: Anything else? Jostein - Jostein, you are one of the ones who knows! Joe I think he is trying to forget that .-) DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread DagT
Den 31. aug. 2006 kl. 16.39 skrev Rob Brigham: ... From Roland Mabo: ... Oh, and a link to Pentax dust removal patent: http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOCIDX=JP2005354330F=0 Oh, please. Roland and some others are always referring to unidentified patents, but I hope this is not

Re: K10D Facts and speculations v2

2006-08-31 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 09:56:06AM -0400, K.Takeshita wrote: On 8/31/06 9:39 AM, Jostein ?ksne, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then came all the observations of powerzoom contacts present in K100D. Was the subject on the power zoom feature? I thought people were talking about using these

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