While we're on the subject of making use of sensors ...

[Larry Colen]

One of the things I wish that lightroom could do is make use of the 
accelerometer data to level the images in post processing.  Yeah, it works 
pretty well when there's a visible horizon just using the image, but the 
accelerometers would get it so much faster.

In a similar vein, they'd also be really helpful for stitching panoramas, 
particularly with compass data as well.

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Subject: Which would you prefer in a lens?

[Bipin Gupta]

1. Brutal Sharpness. A little fall off towards the edges OK.
2. Vivid Color reproduction - more towards earthy Browns
 and true Reds. Little or no Bluish cast.
3. Controlled Distortion in both the X and Y planes
4. Good rendering both in the Shadows and Highlights.
5. Low Flare.
6. Hard Coating to fight off dust, dirt, moisture, spots and
smudges. Easy to clean with a Lens Cloth and lift out gunk
that collects on the front element. Note: I avoid Filters.

I use mostly Zooms so there could be some compromise. I will go on
buying the same Zoom Lens if necessary till I find that "Perfect"
copy.
Regards and a Merry Christmas to all of You.
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Subject: What made this so valuable?

[Bipin Gupta]

Hi Collin, I had the Pentax Spotmatic way back in 1978. Bought it 2nd hand
in Paris from a pretty Nurse returning back to the Philippines from Canada.
An excellent camera. Still have a few M42 Lenses.
But the Goodwill Price is extremely high, as you can get one from KEH for
much less.
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[Daniel J. Matyola]

IN LIVING COLOR
The Colorful Photographs Of Everyday Life That Shocked The Art World And
Changed Photography Forever

artsy.net 
Self-taught photographer William Eggleston's vivid images of mundane scenes
arrived at MoMA at a time when the only photographs considered to be art
were in black and white.


https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-william-egglestons-colorful-photographs-everyday-shocked-art


Dan Matyola
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[Bruce Walker]

Thank you very much, Doug.


> You already know I love that shot of Phylactere, and the other one, of
> Olivia, is a stunner.
> Sent  from my phone, which I’m staring at instead of doing actual work.
> > On Feb 5, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Bruce Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> > Two shots that I consider to be personal bests. The first is from 2
> > weeks ago and the second is from the middle of December, 2019.
> >
> > might as well jump
> > https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/Il3.o3EjAXlU
> >
> > nude study with Phylactere
> > https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I9Ve8hGlONT0
> >
> >
> > Both shot with the 645Z and the 55mm f:2.8 SDM lens. Each was lit by a
> > single light source.
> >
> > The first was lit by an 8 inch hard silver reflector aimed though a
> > 3/4-stop 8x8 foot scrim, above-right.
> > 55mm/2.8 at f/8, 1/125th sec, ISO 100; handheld.
> >
> > The second was lit by ambient window light, left.
> > 55mm/2.8 at f/2.8, 1/30th sec, ISO 1600; handheld.
> >
> > Model 1 is Olivia Preston, Playboy Cybergirl of the Year 2018.
> > Model 2 is Phylactere Rayna, a fine arts lecturer at the University of
> > Montreal, model, yoga instructor, dancer, photographer.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
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Re: On the subject of data recovery

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 19.08.19 um 09:43 schrieb Larry Colen:

Are there any good free file recovery programs that run on OSX? Or, if not free 
on the order of $20.


I have a software called Data Rescue II that has come with a Sandisk SD
card, a few years ago. It has saved me a few times and still works under
10.12.6. Works for all kinds of storage devices, not only cards but also
drives.

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Re: On the subject of data recovery

[P. J. Alling]

You might want to try this,

https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download

It's free it works most of the time, if your computer can actually see 
the storage device, and you can throw the author a couple of bucks if 
you think it was worth it or not if you don't.


The only problem is the UI is a bit rudimentary by modern standards, 
i.e. it runs in a command window, at least on Microsoft machines, but I 
expect you won't have any problem.


On 8/19/2019 3:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I accidentally deleted some raw data files before I had copied them to my main 
machine.  I didn’t copy the “good” photos from that day, but there was some 
things I was interested in seeing on the others.  I found several free versions 
of data recovery software, but they are all limited to about 100MB, i.e. about 
3-4 raw files.
It isn’t worth it to me to spend $90 to recover 40 or so frames that aren’t 
keepers.  Are there any good free file recovery programs that run on OSX? Or, 
if not free on the order of $20.


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On the subject of data recovery

[Larry Colen]

I accidentally deleted some raw data files before I had copied them to my main 
machine.  I didn’t copy the “good” photos from that day, but there was some 
things I was interested in seeing on the others.  I found several free versions 
of data recovery software, but they are all limited to about 100MB, i.e. about 
3-4 raw files.
It isn’t worth it to me to spend $90 to recover 40 or so frames that aren’t 
keepers.  Are there any good free file recovery programs that run on OSX? Or, 
if not free on the order of $20.


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[Daniel J. Matyola]

OT:  Ziggy the Macro Photographer
https://www.gocomics.com/ziggy/2018/09/30

Dan Matyola
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[Subash Jeyan]

another visitor from western europe:

https://something-feathered.in/2018/09/05/ruddy-turnstone/

comments appreciated...

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[Alan C]

Test with no subject line


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[pawel hottowy]

http://frank.wurth-wow.com
Pawel Hottowy

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[Keith Mosier]

http://up.let-us-sell-it-4-u.com

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[Jack Davis]

Just one additional Cowbird item!

Appears the left bird is experiencing a chill. Probably due to having his ear 
blown into.


C?

Thanks!


J


https://www.photo.net/photo/18473374

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[Jack Davis]

Scrub Jay


>From my back Patio Chaise. A Scrub Jay in mid launch from our back fence.

Good practice for the next migration.


C?


Thanks!


J


https://www.photo.net/photo/18471407
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[Jack Davis]

This a redo with a more natural perch.

I wasn't able to do this, but the editor guy friend of Brian Shul, (pro 
shooter) was called upon.

The attached is his product, not mine.


https://www.photo.net//photo/18470012


Comments Welcome!


Thanks!


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Re: [No Subject]

[Bob W-PDML]

Not even you, O princess, in your cold chamber, watching the stars that tremble 
with love and hope?

> On 22 Apr 2018, at 21:41, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> No one is sleeping!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> A nuclear missal? Jeez, I bet that livens up mass a bit.
>> 
>>> On 22 Apr 2018, at 19:46, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Irc, but I'm not keeping
>>> the nuclear missal head, sorry! HA!!
>>> J
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 22, 2018, at 9:14 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the 
 wing, Nice shot
 
> On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
> 
> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
> 
> this glistening feathers pose.
> 
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
> 
> 
> C?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> J
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No one is sleeping!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
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> A nuclear missal? Jeez, I bet that livens up mass a bit.
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2018, at 19:46, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Irc, but I'm not keeping
>> the nuclear missal head, sorry! HA!!
>> J
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 9:14 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the 
>>> wing, Nice shot
>>> 
 On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:
 
 
 Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
 
 This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
 
 this glistening feathers pose.
 
 
 https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
 
 
 C?
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 J
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A nuclear missal? Jeez, I bet that livens up mass a bit.

> On 22 Apr 2018, at 19:46, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Irc, but I'm not keeping
> the nuclear missal head, sorry! HA!!
> J
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 9:14 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the 
>> wing, Nice shot
>> 
>>> On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
>>> 
>>> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
>>> 
>>> this glistening feathers pose.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
>>> 
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> J

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[Jack Davis]

Hey, Ann don't encourage Larry's
version of humor, OK?.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2018, at 10:01 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Good point, Larry  I agree
> ann
> 
>> On 4/22/2018 12:14 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the 
>> wing, Nice shot
>> 
>>> On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
>>> 
>>> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
>>> 
>>> this glistening feathers pose.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
>>> 
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
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[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Irc, but I'm not keeping
the nuclear missal head, sorry! HA!!
J
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2018, at 9:14 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the wing, 
> Nice shot
> 
>> On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
>> 
>> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
>> 
>> this glistening feathers pose.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
>> 
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
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[Jack Davis]

Thanks. The orang red reflector 
will soon be gone.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2018, at 10:01 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> Good point, Larry  I agree
> ann
> 
>> On 4/22/2018 12:14 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the 
>> wing, Nice shot
>> 
>>> On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
>>> 
>>> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
>>> 
>>> this glistening feathers pose.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
>>> 
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Good point, Larry  I agree
ann

On 4/22/2018 12:14 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the wing, 
Nice shot

On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:


Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!

This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and

this glistening feathers pose.


https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421


C?


Thanks!


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[lrc]

I quite like the orange of the reflector setting off the orange I'm the wing, 
Nice shot

On April 22, 2018 6:03:25 AM PDT, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>
>Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
>
>This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
>
>this glistening feathers pose.
>
>
>https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
>
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>C?
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>
>Thanks!
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[Jack Davis]

Valued comment, Subash!
Thank you!
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> 
> very nice Jack. sharp and clear...
> 
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 06:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
> Jack Davis  wrote:
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>> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
>> 
>> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
>> 
>> this glistening feathers pose.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
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[Subash Jeyan]

very nice Jack. sharp and clear...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 06:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
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> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
> 
> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
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> this glistening feathers pose.
> 
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> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421

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> Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!
> 
> This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and
> 
> this glistening feathers pose.
> 
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421
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> 
> C?
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> 
> Thanks!
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[Jack Davis]

Please forgive the perch for the moment. That will be changed soon!

This taken along a roadside yesterday. Love the background and

this glistening feathers pose.


https://www.photo.net/photo/18469421


C?


Thanks!


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[Daniel J. Matyola]

That's OK;  I like egrets.

Interesting posture.

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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
> Posting this partially due to his perch.
>
> Not planning any more Egret posts for awhile!
>
>
> C?
>
> Thanks!
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> J
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[Jack Davis]

Posting this partially due to his perch.

Not planning any more Egret posts for awhile!


C?

Thanks!


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[Subash Jeyan]

today's sighting: a coppersmith barbet, which is a very small bird,
about 14 cm long. 

https://500px.com/photo/249059575/coppersmith-barbet-by-subash-jeyan

k5iis, with the DAL 55-300, cropped.

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Re: [No Subject]

[Jack Davis]

I've seen enough of your work to
know I'll no doubt be shamed by 
your talent in using these new lenses
and I'm already quivering with 
embarrassment.
I've had a good run..."sniff"

J
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> On Feb 20, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> Very good as usual, Jack. The pheasant's colours are amazing.
> 
> Now that I have the Sigma 170-500 DG, I hope I can come up to your standards.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
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> 
> Nicely captured.
> 
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>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,
>> 
>> Shot this AM
>> 
>> 
>> Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still
>> actively holding birds and water.
>> 
>> Not all are doing so at this date.
>> 
>> 
>> Hope you feel a look worth taking.
>> 
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [No Subject]

[Jack Davis]

Thanks very much, Alan.
Does this mean you actually
received my post?

J

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> On Feb 20, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> Very good as usual, Jack. The pheasant's colours are amazing.
> 
> Now that I have the Sigma 170-500 DG, I hope I can come up to your standards.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
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> Nicely captured.
> 
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> 
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,
>> 
>> Shot this AM
>> 
>> 
>> Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still
>> actively holding birds and water.
>> 
>> Not all are doing so at this date.
>> 
>> 
>> Hope you feel a look worth taking.
>> 
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> J
>> 
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>> 
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[Alan C]

Very good as usual, Jack. The pheasant's colours are amazing.

Now that I have the Sigma 170-500 DG, I hope I can come up to your 
standards.


Alan C


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Nicely captured.


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On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:


A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,

Shot this AM


Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still
actively holding birds and water.

Not all are doing so at this date.


Hope you feel a look worth taking.


Comments appreciated.


Thanks!


J


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[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nicely captured.


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On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,
>
> Shot this AM
>
>
> Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still
> actively holding birds and water.
>
> Not all are doing so at this date.
>
>
> Hope you feel a look worth taking.
>
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> J
>
>
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18458016
>
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Re: [No Subject]

[ann sanfedele]

Indeed

On 2/20/2018 6:21 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Yes, guessed you were referring
to the one served under glass...(?)

J


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On Feb 20, 2018, at 3:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I was thinking of the other feathered friend in teh second photo :-)  but I bet 
you knew that

a


On 2/20/2018 5:36 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
Yeah, the Eagle, even though young,
I suspect would be a bit cheesy.
Thanks for "nice" comment, Ann!

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 20, 2018, at 2:28 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

nice ones!
I see you have a young eagle and a nice dinner entree :-)

ann


On 2/20/2018 5:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,

Shot this AM


Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still 
actively holding birds and water.

Not all are doing so at this date.


Hope you feel a look worth taking.


Comments appreciated.


Thanks!


J


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https://www.photo.net/photo/18458017

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[Jack Davis]

You've got to love Spell correct.
"Chewy" not cheesy.
J

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> On Feb 20, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, the Eagle, even though young,
> I suspect would be a bit cheesy.
> Thanks for "nice" comment, Ann!
> 
> J
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 2:28 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> nice ones!
>> I see you have a young eagle and a nice dinner entree :-)
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 2/20/2018 5:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,
>>> 
>>> Shot this AM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still 
>>> actively holding birds and water.
>>> 
>>> Not all are doing so at this date.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope you feel a look worth taking.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Comments appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18458016
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18458017
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Re: [No Subject]

[Jack Davis]

Yes, guessed you were referring
to the one served under glass...(?)

J


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> On Feb 20, 2018, at 3:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I was thinking of the other feathered friend in teh second photo :-)  but I 
> bet you knew that
> 
> a
> 
>> On 2/20/2018 5:36 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Yeah, the Eagle, even though young,
>> I suspect would be a bit cheesy.
>> Thanks for "nice" comment, Ann!
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 2:28 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> nice ones!
>>> I see you have a young eagle and a nice dinner entree :-)
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 2/20/2018 5:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,
 
 Shot this AM
 
 
 Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still 
 actively holding birds and water.
 
 Not all are doing so at this date.
 
 
 Hope you feel a look worth taking.
 
 
 Comments appreciated.
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 J
 
 
 https://www.photo.net/photo/18458016
 
 
 https://www.photo.net/photo/18458017
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Re: [No Subject]

[ann sanfedele]

I was thinking of the other feathered friend in teh second photo :-)  
but I bet you knew that


a

On 2/20/2018 5:36 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Yeah, the Eagle, even though young,
I suspect would be a bit cheesy.
Thanks for "nice" comment, Ann!

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 20, 2018, at 2:28 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

nice ones!
I see you have a young eagle and a nice dinner entree :-)

ann


On 2/20/2018 5:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,

Shot this AM


Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still 
actively holding birds and water.

Not all are doing so at this date.


Hope you feel a look worth taking.


Comments appreciated.


Thanks!


J


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[Jack Davis]

Yeah, the Eagle, even though young,
I suspect would be a bit cheesy.
Thanks for "nice" comment, Ann!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2018, at 2:28 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> nice ones!
> I see you have a young eagle and a nice dinner entree :-)
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 2/20/2018 5:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,
>> 
>> Shot this AM
>> 
>> 
>> Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still 
>> actively holding birds and water.
>> 
>> Not all are doing so at this date.
>> 
>> 
>> Hope you feel a look worth taking.
>> 
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18458016
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18458017
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[ann sanfedele]

nice ones!
I see you have a young eagle and a nice dinner entree :-)

ann

On 2/20/2018 5:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,

Shot this AM


Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still 
actively holding birds and water.

Not all are doing so at this date.


Hope you feel a look worth taking.


Comments appreciated.


Thanks!


J


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[Jack Davis]

A couple citizens of the Sacramento National Refuge,

Shot this AM


Season is winding down, but found conditions, while a bit quieter, still 
actively holding birds and water.

Not all are doing so at this date.


Hope you feel a look worth taking.


Comments appreciated.


Thanks!


J


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[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Ann.
Am in my Dr's care.

J

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> On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:55 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Jack - I had to look it up --  that is really gross!  .
> so sorry..
> 
> Bill's suggestions sound like good advice..
> 
> Hope it is short lived
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 2/1/2018 9:00 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 1/31/2018 9:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> Yes, infantigo, and your right, it's
>>> way nasty!
>> 
>> Impetigo, IIRC, is a variation of a staph infection. The Staph bacteria, in 
>> all it's mutations, has become a rather nasty one due to the misuse of 
>> antibiotics. It is now one of the Super Bugs. Don't skimp on your 
>> antibiotic, and take acidophilus a few hours after taking your pill, if you 
>> are on an oral medication.
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[ann sanfedele]

Jack - I had to look it up --  that is really gross!  .
so sorry..

Bill's suggestions sound like good advice..

Hope it is short lived

ann

On 2/1/2018 9:00 AM, Bill wrote:

On 1/31/2018 9:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Yes, infantigo, and your right, it's
way nasty!


Impetigo, IIRC, is a variation of a staph infection. The Staph 
bacteria, in all it's mutations, has become a rather nasty one due to 
the misuse of antibiotics. It is now one of the Super Bugs. Don't 
skimp on your antibiotic, and take acidophilus a few hours after 
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On 1/31/2018 9:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Yes, infantigo, and your right, it's
way nasty!


Impetigo, IIRC, is a variation of a staph infection. The Staph bacteria, 
in all it's mutations, has become a rather nasty one due to the misuse 
of antibiotics. It is now one of the Super Bugs. Don't skimp on your 
antibiotic, and take acidophilus a few hours after taking your pill, if 
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[John Francis]

Yep - that's the generally accepted name.  "Infantigo" appears to be
a US-specific corruption.

My younger brother had a very nasty case of this when he was perhaps two.
It wasn't responding to the normal treatment (Gentian Violet, in those days),
so our doctor decided to try a new antibiotic that had recently been made
available for general use in such cases - something called "Penicillin".
While Penicillin had been used by the armed forces in WWII, it took a bit
longer for it to come into widespread use. Fortunately our GP kept himself
informed of developments in medicine, and was prepared to try something new.
(This was in the early '50s).

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:11:14PM -0500, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> "Impetigo"?
> 
> Nasty stuff.  I haven't heard of it for years.
> 
> 
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> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> > I'm experiencing something I should gotten over with in grade school.
> > "Infantigo."
> >
> > I don't think there was a time in Grammar  school when at least three
> > students weren't
> >
> > comparing bumps. I read that it is often known as School Bumps!
> >
> > I know that's interesting, but I have a different critter to present, so
> > I'll get to it.
> >
> > Awful stuff!!
> >
> >
> > Comments appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
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> >
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[Jack Davis]

Yes, infantigo, and your right, it's
way nasty!

J

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> On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:11 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> "Impetigo"?
> 
> Nasty stuff.  I haven't heard of it for years.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm experiencing something I should gotten over with in grade school.
>> "Infantigo."
>> 
>> I don't think there was a time in Grammar  school when at least three
>> students weren't
>> 
>> comparing bumps. I read that it is often known as School Bumps!
>> 
>> I know that's interesting, but I have a different critter to present, so
>> I'll get to it.
>> 
>> Awful stuff!!
>> 
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
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[Daniel J. Matyola]

"Impetigo"?

Nasty stuff.  I haven't heard of it for years.


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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> I'm experiencing something I should gotten over with in grade school.
> "Infantigo."
>
> I don't think there was a time in Grammar  school when at least three
> students weren't
>
> comparing bumps. I read that it is often known as School Bumps!
>
> I know that's interesting, but I have a different critter to present, so
> I'll get to it.
>
> Awful stuff!!
>
>
> Comments appreciated.
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> Thanks!
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[Jack Davis]

I'm experiencing something I should gotten over with in grade school. 
"Infantigo."

I don't think there was a time in Grammar  school when at least three students 
weren't

comparing bumps. I read that it is often known as School Bumps!

I know that's interesting, but I have a different critter to present, so I'll 
get to it.

Awful stuff!!


Comments appreciated.


Thanks!


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[Jack Davis]

Ring-Billed Gull.
Shot at Ellis Lake, Marysville, CA

C?
Thanks!

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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Mark.


Paul via phone

> On Oct 29, 2017, at 8:18 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Congrats, Paul! I actually read that article on line but didn't look at the 
> by-line. I'll need to take a closer look in the future.
> 
> Stanley Halpin wrote:
>> Nice piece Paul.
>> I am quite a nitpicker myself but I do disagree with Igor’s stylistic 
>> comments; I think it flows well as is.
>> However, one quibble I have is that you and the Auto Alliance people are 
>> talking about two different things (legislation vs. regulation) and I wish 
>> you could have highlighted that. But that is a minor point that would be 
>> totally lost on most people…
>> stan
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Igor,
>>> 
>>> The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet 
>>> is self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More 
>>> importantly, I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.
>>> 
>>> In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split 
>>> decision in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs 
>>> are better.
>>> 
>>> The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times 
>>> style rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in 
>>> stone, and it seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
 On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
 
 
 Interesting... I didn't know such a technology already exists. Nor I had 
 heard about the proposed regulation.
 
 Did NYT fire all their editors?
 I was a bit confused by a few things (of which most are what the editor 
 should have noticed, such as #2 and #3):
 
 1. Paul, I was expecting that you would refute this statement:
 " And the proposed mandate for notification technology in cars misses the 
 targeted population, because so few parents of young children buy new 
 cars.” -- First, some parents of young children are forced to buy a new 
 car once the child is born, especially, if it is #3 and above. And even if 
 most parents buy used cars, it is obvious that all new cars will soon 
 become used (and eventually old).
 
 2. There is a weird way how the text is broken into small paragraphs.
 The most obvious is the paragraph starting with "General Motors and 
 Nissan..." is broken into two in the middle of the thought.
 
 The last three paragraphs also should have been one, me thinks.
 
 And "“The brain process is the same,” " should have been with the 
 previous paragraph.
 
 
 3. "One such system, the VitaSense, uses low-power radio to sense movement 
 and breathing."
 I suspect the word "waves" is missing ("radio waves", not "radio").
 
 Sorry, I just couldn't help noticing these.
 
 
 Igor
 
 
 
 ann sanfedele Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:02:06 -0700 wrote:
 
 It is hard to imagine that this happens.. but it does too often :-(
 
 
 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/automobiles/wheels/forgetting-a-child-in-a-back-seat-can-kill-cars-may-soon-warn-you.html
 
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Mark C]

Congrats, Paul! I actually read that article on line but didn't look at 
the by-line. I'll need to take a closer look in the future.


Stanley Halpin wrote:

Nice piece Paul.
I am quite a nitpicker myself but I do disagree with Igor’s stylistic comments; 
I think it flows well as is.
However, one quibble I have is that you and the Auto Alliance people are 
talking about two different things (legislation vs. regulation) and I wish you 
could have highlighted that. But that is a minor point that would be totally 
lost on most people…
stan


On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Hi Igor,

The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet is 
self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More importantly, 
I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.

In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split decision 
in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs are better.

The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times style 
rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in stone, and it 
seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.

Paul via phone


On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


Interesting... I didn't know such a technology already exists. Nor I had heard 
about the proposed regulation.

Did NYT fire all their editors?
I was a bit confused by a few things (of which most are what the editor should 
have noticed, such as #2 and #3):

1. Paul, I was expecting that you would refute this statement:
" And the proposed mandate for notification technology in cars misses the 
targeted population, because so few parents of young children buy new cars.” -- 
First, some parents of young children are forced to buy a new car once the child is 
born, especially, if it is #3 and above. And even if most parents buy used cars, it 
is obvious that all new cars will soon become used (and eventually old).

2. There is a weird way how the text is broken into small paragraphs.
The most obvious is the paragraph starting with "General Motors and Nissan..." 
is broken into two in the middle of the thought.

The last three paragraphs also should have been one, me thinks.

And "“The brain process is the same,” " should have been with the previous 
paragraph.


3. "One such system, the VitaSense, uses low-power radio to sense movement and 
breathing."
I suspect the word "waves" is missing ("radio waves", not "radio").

Sorry, I just couldn't help noticing these.


Igor



ann sanfedele Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:02:06 -0700 wrote:

It is hard to imagine that this happens.. but it does too often :-(


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/automobiles/wheels/forgetting-a-child-in-a-back-seat-can-kill-cars-may-soon-warn-you.html

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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Igor PDML-StR]

My sincere apology, Paul!

You are right: this is not the right venue for the literary discussion.
(After sending the message, I thought that I should have sent it off the 
list, but it was too late.)


The reason I started asking you was that I was interested in your
professional opinion and was very surprised by what I've heard from you.
(My curiosity stems in part from the fact that writing and some editorial 
work have been among my professional activities for many years, albeit in 
a different genre and with much smaller readership.)


But yes, I know that my questions and comments, while driven by the 
curiosity about why things the way they are and desire to figure out 
what's correct, can sometimes sound as a harsh critique. Sorry about that.


That's my nature of a researcher: learning from the opposition of facts 
and ideas, and from challenging those. To me, the most interesting 
questions and comments about the things I am doing (work or hobbies) are 
those that make me thinking and help me learning, even though they might 
sound as hard or critical. But I know that many (most?) of people are not 
like that.


Sometimes, getting excited about the topic of the conversation, I tend to 
forget that. As my colleague expressed that recently: 
"People like us are inconvenient for those around us".


(I am also akin that engineer in the old joke, who yells: "Wait, I see 
what the problem with the guillotine is..."

http://sethf.com/freespeech/memoirs/humor/guillotine.php )

Since you've mentioned, - believe it or not, some of my most important 
revelations about teaching originated from the questions and comments by 
students.



But again, despite the breadth of topics discussed on PDML, this is not 
the best venue for my questions and comments related to your literary 
work. I will do my best to refrain from those in the future, especially 
since you requested that.



However, I cannot promise that I will not "torture" a NYT editor with 
the questions about the peculiarities of NYT style I asked you earlier, 
should the opportunity (and the appropriate venue) arise. ;-)



Peace!

Igor



 Paul Stenquist Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:33:18 -0700 wrote:

Okay, we’re done with this. I post photos here to be critiqued, and I 
appreciate comments both positive and negative. But I don’t post my work 
here . Ann posted a link to this article, because she thought it was a 
topic of concern. And I appreciate her doing so. But it wasn't posted for 
a critique. I get plenty of input from my editors at the Times in regard 
to style and structure. And I’d venture to say that all of them are far 
more qualified in regard to editorial than is Igor



I’m a writer by trade. The Times and various other pubs are my place of 
work. Would any PDML members want me to come to their place of work and 
critique their performance? I bet I could offer Igor some tips in regard 
to managing a classroom. I have some experience there. But I wouldn’t do 
that. It’s not part of our role as members of this group.


Again, thanks for the kudos, and comments regarding the issue at hand — 
children dying in cars — are certainly appropriate. But no need to 
critique my work in detail or the Times style book. Feel free to write to 
the Times if you have a problem with the way they report the news, but 
don’t debate it with me.


Love to all!

Thanks much,
Paul

On Oct 28, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:



Paul,

Thank you for the detailed response. I've learned some interesting things
about NYT's style.

My teachers/advisors (at all stages and levels) taught me that each paragraph
should contain one main thought/point. Then, if you were to write down those
main points, you get a reverse outline, which is a good tool for checking on
the coherence of the written communication (paper, thesis, ...)  And that's
what I've been teaching my students in the communication courses.


I think I see the rational behind shorter paragraphs (in a way similar to
that for shorter sentences): they are usually simpler to read. But I'd say,
not at the expense of splitting the thought. But the same way as a long
sentence doesn't get just cut in parts, a paragraph doesn't get split up into
parts before the thought is completed.


And, I am failing to see the rational behind quotes being separate
paragraphs. Moreover, I am rather confused how that is supposed to work here:
the same direct quote is split into two parts between the last two
paragraphs. It is not that every sentence of the direct quote are in a
separate paragraph: Three sentences of that direct quote are split between
two paragraphs.

Again, sorry, - I don't mean to start a debate here. Rather, I am just
explaining why I am still confused by NYT's style.

Igor

PS. This is not to undermine that the article is very interesting.



Paul Stenquist Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:57:51 -0700 wrote:

Hi Igor,

The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet
is 

Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Larry Colen]

Bob W-PDML wrote:

I haven't read Paul's article, but I have read George Orwell's Politics and the 
English Language, and one should always pay attention to his rule vi.


Does he also have a rule emacs?

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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

I too have read Orwell. Rule six is applicable to every communication, but many 
of his other points remain valid as well. Clarity, brevity and active voice are 
always better than pretentious language, padded prose and passive voice.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> I haven't read Paul's article, but I have read George Orwell's Politics and 
> the English Language, and one should always pay attention to his rule vi.
> 
>> On 28 Oct 2017, at 17:11, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paul,
>> 
>> Thank you for the detailed response. I've learned some interesting things 
>> about NYT's style.
>> 
>> My teachers/advisors (at all stages and levels) taught me that each 
>> paragraph should contain one main thought/point. Then, if you were to write 
>> down those main points, you get a reverse outline, which is a good tool for 
>> checking on the coherence of the written communication (paper, thesis, ...)  
>> And that's what I've been teaching my students in the communication courses.
>> 
>> 
>> I think I see the rational behind shorter paragraphs (in a way similar to 
>> that for shorter sentences): they are usually simpler to read. But I'd say, 
>> not at the expense of splitting the thought. But the same way as a long 
>> sentence doesn't get just cut in parts, a paragraph doesn't get split up 
>> into parts before the thought is completed.
>> 
>> 
>> And, I am failing to see the rational behind quotes being separate 
>> paragraphs. Moreover, I am rather confused how that is supposed to work 
>> here: the same direct quote is split into two parts between the last two 
>> paragraphs. It is not that every sentence of the direct quote are in a 
>> separate paragraph: Three sentences of that direct quote are split between 
>> two paragraphs.
>> 
>> Again, sorry, - I don't mean to start a debate here. Rather, I am just 
>> explaining why I am still confused by NYT's style.
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> PS. This is not to undermine that the article is very interesting.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Stenquist Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:57:51 -0700 wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Igor,
>> 
>> The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet 
>> is self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More 
>> importantly, I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.
>> 
>> 
>> In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split 
>> decision in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs 
>> are better.
>> 
>> The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times 
>> style rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in 
>> stone, and it seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>> 
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Bob W-PDML]

I haven't read Paul's article, but I have read George Orwell's Politics and the 
English Language, and one should always pay attention to his rule vi.

> On 28 Oct 2017, at 17:11, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you for the detailed response. I've learned some interesting things 
> about NYT's style.
> 
> My teachers/advisors (at all stages and levels) taught me that each paragraph 
> should contain one main thought/point. Then, if you were to write down those 
> main points, you get a reverse outline, which is a good tool for checking on 
> the coherence of the written communication (paper, thesis, ...)  And that's 
> what I've been teaching my students in the communication courses.
> 
> 
> I think I see the rational behind shorter paragraphs (in a way similar to 
> that for shorter sentences): they are usually simpler to read. But I'd say, 
> not at the expense of splitting the thought. But the same way as a long 
> sentence doesn't get just cut in parts, a paragraph doesn't get split up into 
> parts before the thought is completed.
> 
> 
> And, I am failing to see the rational behind quotes being separate 
> paragraphs. Moreover, I am rather confused how that is supposed to work here: 
> the same direct quote is split into two parts between the last two 
> paragraphs. It is not that every sentence of the direct quote are in a 
> separate paragraph: Three sentences of that direct quote are split between 
> two paragraphs.
> 
> Again, sorry, - I don't mean to start a debate here. Rather, I am just 
> explaining why I am still confused by NYT's style.
> 
> Igor
> 
> PS. This is not to undermine that the article is very interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:57:51 -0700 wrote:
> 
> Hi Igor,
> 
> The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet 
> is self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More 
> importantly, I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.
> 
> 
> In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split 
> decision in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs 
> are better.
> 
> The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times 
> style rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in stone, 
> and it seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
> 
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

Okay, we’re done with this. I post photos here to be critiqued, and I 
appreciate comments both positive and negative. But I don’t post my work here . 
Ann posted a link to this article, because she thought it was a topic of 
concern. And I appreciate her doing so. But it wasn't posted for a critique. I 
get plenty of input from my editors at the Times in regard to style and 
structure. And I’d venture to say that all of them are far more qualified in 
regard to editorial than is Igor

I’m a writer by trade. The Times and various other pubs are my place of work. 
Would any PDML members want me to come to their place of work and critique 
their performance? I bet I could offer Igor some tips in regard to managing a 
classroom. I have some experience there. But I wouldn’t do that. It’s not part 
of our role as members of this group.

Again, thanks for the kudos, and comments regarding the issue at hand — 
children dying in cars — are certainly appropriate. But no need to critique my 
work in detail or the Times style book. Feel free to write to the Times if you 
have a problem with the way they report the news, but don’t debate it with me.

Love to all!

Thanks much,
Paul
> On Oct 28, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you for the detailed response. I've learned some interesting things 
> about NYT's style.
> 
> My teachers/advisors (at all stages and levels) taught me that each paragraph 
> should contain one main thought/point. Then, if you were to write down those 
> main points, you get a reverse outline, which is a good tool for checking on 
> the coherence of the written communication (paper, thesis, ...)  And that's 
> what I've been teaching my students in the communication courses.
> 
> 
> I think I see the rational behind shorter paragraphs (in a way similar to 
> that for shorter sentences): they are usually simpler to read. But I'd say, 
> not at the expense of splitting the thought. But the same way as a long 
> sentence doesn't get just cut in parts, a paragraph doesn't get split up into 
> parts before the thought is completed.
> 
> 
> And, I am failing to see the rational behind quotes being separate 
> paragraphs. Moreover, I am rather confused how that is supposed to work here: 
> the same direct quote is split into two parts between the last two 
> paragraphs. It is not that every sentence of the direct quote are in a 
> separate paragraph: Three sentences of that direct quote are split between 
> two paragraphs.
> 
> Again, sorry, - I don't mean to start a debate here. Rather, I am just 
> explaining why I am still confused by NYT's style.
> 
> Igor
> 
> PS. This is not to undermine that the article is very interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:57:51 -0700 wrote:
> 
> Hi Igor,
> 
> The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet 
> is self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More 
> importantly, I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.
> 
> 
> In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split 
> decision in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs 
> are better.
> 
> The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times 
> style rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in stone, 
> and it seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
> 
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Igor PDML-StR]

Paul,

Thank you for the detailed response. I've learned some interesting things 
about NYT's style.


My teachers/advisors (at all stages and levels) taught me that each 
paragraph should contain one main thought/point. Then, if you were to 
write down those main points, you get a reverse outline, which is a good 
tool for checking on the coherence of the written communication (paper, 
thesis, ...)  And that's what I've been teaching my students in the 
communication courses.



I think I see the rational behind shorter paragraphs (in a way similar to 
that for shorter sentences): they are usually simpler to read. But I'd 
say, not at the expense of splitting the thought. But the same way as a 
long sentence doesn't get just cut in parts, a paragraph doesn't get split 
up into parts before the thought is completed.



And, I am failing to see the rational behind quotes being separate 
paragraphs. Moreover, I am rather confused how that is supposed to work 
here: the same direct quote is split into two parts between the last two 
paragraphs. It is not that every sentence of the direct quote are in a 
separate paragraph: Three sentences of that direct quote are split between 
two paragraphs.


Again, sorry, - I don't mean to start a debate here. Rather, I am just 
explaining why I am still confused by NYT's style.


Igor

PS. This is not to undermine that the article is very interesting.



 Paul Stenquist Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:57:51 -0700 wrote:

Hi Igor,

The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the 
fleet is self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. 
More importantly, I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.



 In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split 
decision in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short 
graphs are better.


The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times 
style rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in 
stone, and it seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.


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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Stan. The purpose of the legislation is regulation. Again, space didn’t 
allow, but the text of the senate amendment requires NHTSA to develop a 
requirement for a warning device. 


> On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> Nice piece Paul.
> I am quite a nitpicker myself but I do disagree with Igor’s stylistic 
> comments; I think it flows well as is.
> However, one quibble I have is that you and the Auto Alliance people are 
> talking about two different things (legislation vs. regulation) and I wish 
> you could have highlighted that. But that is a minor point that would be 
> totally lost on most people…
> stan
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Igor,
>> 
>> The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet 
>> is self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More 
>> importantly, I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.
>> 
>> In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split 
>> decision in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs 
>> are better.
>> 
>> The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times 
>> style rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in 
>> stone, and it seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Interesting... I didn't know such a technology already exists. Nor I had 
>>> heard about the proposed regulation.
>>> 
>>> Did NYT fire all their editors?
>>> I was a bit confused by a few things (of which most are what the editor 
>>> should have noticed, such as #2 and #3):
>>> 
>>> 1. Paul, I was expecting that you would refute this statement:
>>> " And the proposed mandate for notification technology in cars misses the 
>>> targeted population, because so few parents of young children buy new 
>>> cars.” -- First, some parents of young children are forced to buy a new car 
>>> once the child is born, especially, if it is #3 and above. And even if most 
>>> parents buy used cars, it is obvious that all new cars will soon become 
>>> used (and eventually old).
>>> 
>>> 2. There is a weird way how the text is broken into small paragraphs.
>>> The most obvious is the paragraph starting with "General Motors and 
>>> Nissan..." is broken into two in the middle of the thought.
>>> 
>>> The last three paragraphs also should have been one, me thinks.
>>> 
>>> And "“The brain process is the same,” " should have been with the 
>>> previous paragraph.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 3. "One such system, the VitaSense, uses low-power radio to sense movement 
>>> and breathing."
>>> I suspect the word "waves" is missing ("radio waves", not "radio").
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I just couldn't help noticing these.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Igor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ann sanfedele Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:02:06 -0700 wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is hard to imagine that this happens.. but it does too often :-(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/automobiles/wheels/forgetting-a-child-in-a-back-seat-can-kill-cars-may-soon-warn-you.html
>>> 
>>> ann
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Stanley Halpin]

Nice piece Paul.
I am quite a nitpicker myself but I do disagree with Igor’s stylistic comments; 
I think it flows well as is.
However, one quibble I have is that you and the Auto Alliance people are 
talking about two different things (legislation vs. regulation) and I wish you 
could have highlighted that. But that is a minor point that would be totally 
lost on most people…
stan

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Hi Igor,
> 
> The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet 
> is self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More 
> importantly, I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.
> 
> In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split 
> decision in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs 
> are better.
> 
> The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times 
> style rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in stone, 
> and it seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Interesting... I didn't know such a technology already exists. Nor I had 
>> heard about the proposed regulation.
>> 
>> Did NYT fire all their editors?
>> I was a bit confused by a few things (of which most are what the editor 
>> should have noticed, such as #2 and #3):
>> 
>> 1. Paul, I was expecting that you would refute this statement:
>> " And the proposed mandate for notification technology in cars misses the 
>> targeted population, because so few parents of young children buy new cars.” 
>> -- First, some parents of young children are forced to buy a new car once 
>> the child is born, especially, if it is #3 and above. And even if most 
>> parents buy used cars, it is obvious that all new cars will soon become used 
>> (and eventually old).
>> 
>> 2. There is a weird way how the text is broken into small paragraphs.
>> The most obvious is the paragraph starting with "General Motors and 
>> Nissan..." is broken into two in the middle of the thought.
>> 
>> The last three paragraphs also should have been one, me thinks.
>> 
>> And "“The brain process is the same,” " should have been with the 
>> previous paragraph.
>> 
>> 
>> 3. "One such system, the VitaSense, uses low-power radio to sense movement 
>> and breathing."
>> I suspect the word "waves" is missing ("radio waves", not "radio").
>> 
>> Sorry, I just couldn't help noticing these.
>> 
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ann sanfedele Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:02:06 -0700 wrote:
>> 
>> It is hard to imagine that this happens.. but it does too often :-(
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/automobiles/wheels/forgetting-a-child-in-a-back-seat-can-kill-cars-may-soon-warn-you.html
>> 
>> ann
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

Janette’s site is kidsandcars.org

Paul via phone

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dan, but Janette Fennell is the hero. She became involved in 
> child/auto safety issues when her car was car jacked and she and her husband 
> were locked in the trunk — not knowing what had become of her baby who had 
> been in the backseat. The infant was recovered and the Fennell’s freed, but 
> that incident launched a crusade called kidsandcars.com.
> 
> Paul via phone
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>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> Our Hero!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 4:09 AM, jtainter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Congratulations, Paul. Good job, and a good bit of public service.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Dan, but Janette Fennell is the hero. She became involved in child/auto 
safety issues when her car was car jacked and she and her husband were locked 
in the trunk — not knowing what had become of her baby who had been in the 
backseat. The infant was recovered and the Fennell’s freed, but that incident 
launched a crusade called kidsandcars.com.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Our Hero!
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 4:09 AM, jtainter  wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations, Paul. Good job, and a good bit of public service.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Our Hero!



Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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> Congratulations, Paul. Good job, and a good bit of public service.
>
> Joe
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Joe! 

Paul via phone

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 4:09 AM, jtainter  wrote:
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> Congratulations, Paul. Good job, and a good bit of public service.
> 
> Joe
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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

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Congratulations, Paul. Good job, and a good bit of public service.

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Re: Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Igor,

The Auto Alliance point regarding how long it would take to equip the fleet is 
self refuting in that they said the same thing six years ago. More importantly, 
I get only 900 words, so I have to pick my battles.

 In regard to the paragraph breaks, the first is debatable but a split decision 
in my view and the editors. The Times philosophy says short graphs are better.

The graphs toward the end of the story are mandated by an immutable Times style 
rule: every direct quote is a separate graph. That is written in stone, and it 
seems to have worked well for at least 50 years.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Interesting... I didn't know such a technology already exists. Nor I had 
> heard about the proposed regulation.
> 
> Did NYT fire all their editors?
> I was a bit confused by a few things (of which most are what the editor 
> should have noticed, such as #2 and #3):
> 
> 1. Paul, I was expecting that you would refute this statement:
> " And the proposed mandate for notification technology in cars misses the 
> targeted population, because so few parents of young children buy new cars.” 
> -- First, some parents of young children are forced to buy a new car once the 
> child is born, especially, if it is #3 and above. And even if most parents 
> buy used cars, it is obvious that all new cars will soon become used (and 
> eventually old).
> 
> 2. There is a weird way how the text is broken into small paragraphs.
> The most obvious is the paragraph starting with "General Motors and 
> Nissan..." is broken into two in the middle of the thought.
> 
> The last three paragraphs also should have been one, me thinks.
> 
> And "“The brain process is the same,” " should have been with the 
> previous paragraph.
> 
> 
> 3. "One such system, the VitaSense, uses low-power radio to sense movement 
> and breathing."
> I suspect the word "waves" is missing ("radio waves", not "radio").
> 
> Sorry, I just couldn't help noticing these.
> 
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> 
> ann sanfedele Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:02:06 -0700 wrote:
> 
> It is hard to imagine that this happens.. but it does too often :-(
> 
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/automobiles/wheels/forgetting-a-child-in-a-back-seat-can-kill-cars-may-soon-warn-you.html
> 
> ann
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Link to Paul's excellent NY times article on an important safety subject

[Igor PDML-StR]

Interesting... I didn't know such a technology already exists. Nor I had 
heard about the proposed regulation.


Did NYT fire all their editors?
 I was a bit confused by a few things (of which most are what the editor 
should have noticed, such as #2 and #3):


1. Paul, I was expecting that you would refute this statement:
" And the proposed mandate for notification technology in cars misses the 
targeted population, because so few parents of young children buy new 
cars.” -- First, some parents of young children are forced to buy a new 
car once the child is born, especially, if it is #3 and above. And even if 
most parents buy used cars, it is obvious that all new cars will soon 
become used (and eventually old).


2. There is a weird way how the text is broken into small paragraphs.
The most obvious is the paragraph starting with "General Motors 
and Nissan..." is broken into two in the middle of the thought.


The last three paragraphs also should have been one, me thinks.

And "“The brain process is the same,” " should have been with the 
previous paragraph.



3. "One such system, the VitaSense, uses low-power radio to sense movement 
and breathing."

I suspect the word "waves" is missing ("radio waves", not "radio").

Sorry, I just couldn't help noticing these.


Igor



ann sanfedele Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:02:06 -0700 wrote:

It is hard to imagine that this happens.. but it does too often :-(


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/automobiles/wheels/forgetting-a-child-in-a-back-seat-can-kill-cars-may-soon-warn-you.html

ann

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It is hard to imagine that this happens.. but it does too often :-(

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/automobiles/wheels/forgetting-a-child-in-a-back-seat-can-kill-cars-may-soon-warn-you.html

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Re: Subject: Re: Inexpensive Pentax AC adapter

[Zos Xavius]

Most AC adapters are pretty safe to use. Until they die, but at least
more often than not they only kill themselves.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> One hears these adages quite often like "You pay what you get for", "Cheap" 
> etc.
> Is it true?? NOT for the smart guy - or call him frugal, Mr. Scrooge
> if you wish.
> Cheap need not mean it will damage your camera or fail.
>
> So here is what I did. Bought a German Hama SMPS Multi Volt Adapter for $12
> on sale from Media Mart while in Cologne, Germany.
> SMPS (switched mode power supply units) are one of the safest circuitry used 
> in
> digital equipment & electronics. This one had a 3-way safety circuit.
>
> Bought the Connector Pentax uses for $ 2.40 each - called the Male Hirose 
> 3-pin
> MQ172-3SA Plug. God alone knows why Pentax uses obscure stuff and not
> simple Japanese Standard Connectors.
>
> Soldered two thick copper pins which plugs into the Universal Socket of the 
> Hama
> Adapter. Works great on my Pentax DSLRs.
>
> Note: wiring the Hirose connector - the center pin is a dummy, the Ground pin 
> is
> top most one viewed with the plug inserted into the camera. The 8.3 volt pin 
> is
> the bottom most one.
>
> Regards.
> Bipin
> camp: Belmont, CA.
>
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> worry about light.
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Subject: Re: Inexpensive Pentax AC adapter

[Bipin Gupta]

One hears these adages quite often like "You pay what you get for", "Cheap" etc.
Is it true?? NOT for the smart guy - or call him frugal, Mr. Scrooge
if you wish.
Cheap need not mean it will damage your camera or fail.

So here is what I did. Bought a German Hama SMPS Multi Volt Adapter for $12
on sale from Media Mart while in Cologne, Germany.
SMPS (switched mode power supply units) are one of the safest circuitry used in
digital equipment & electronics. This one had a 3-way safety circuit.

Bought the Connector Pentax uses for $ 2.40 each - called the Male Hirose 3-pin
MQ172-3SA Plug. God alone knows why Pentax uses obscure stuff and not
simple Japanese Standard Connectors.

Soldered two thick copper pins which plugs into the Universal Socket of the Hama
Adapter. Works great on my Pentax DSLRs.

Note: wiring the Hirose connector - the center pin is a dummy, the Ground pin is
top most one viewed with the plug inserted into the camera. The 8.3 volt pin is
the bottom most one.

Regards.
Bipin
camp: Belmont, CA.

Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals about time & masters
worry about light.

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[no subject]

[Jack Davis]

Decided to send my copy in case you cared to have a look.

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1200

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Re: How to measure subject distance at K1?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Fantastic! I never noticed that little drawing! Thx

Greetz, Jos


On 30-Mar-17 22:19, postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

Jos de Fotograaf <josdefotogr...@4prof.nl> wrote:


To do some lens testing I want to have a well defined subject distance.
I think this is defined to the position of the sensor surface.
Is there an indication on the body for this?

Yep:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/sensorplane.jpg




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Re: How to measure subject distance at K1?

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Jos de Fotograaf <josdefotogr...@4prof.nl> wrote:

>To do some lens testing I want to have a well defined subject distance.
>I think this is defined to the position of the sensor surface.
>Is there an indication on the body for this?

Yep:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/sensorplane.jpg

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How to measure subject distance at K1?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

To do some lens testing I want to have a well defined subject distance.
I think this is defined to the position of the sensor surface.
Is there an indication on the body for this?
Greetz, Jos van der Hijden

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[no subject]

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I was 1,950 miles from home, visiting the ancient Taos Pueblo, one of the
oldest continuously inhabited communities in the US.  To my great surprise,
among the hand full of dogs hanging out there, I spotted an Alaskan
Malamute.  Of course, he struck a typical Malamute pose, one I get to see
every day at home:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305146=lg
Comments are invited.

Dan Matyola
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ReMessage: 4, Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:35:20 -0500, From: Bob Sullivan <rf.sulli...@gmail.com>, To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>, Subject: Re: Geso Horicon Marsh,Message-ID:,

[Donald Guthrie]

Thanks Bob S for the look & comments. Before I got there, I had no idea 
the marsh was so large and so important in the migration scheme. So glad 
I went.



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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:35:20 -0500 From: Bob Sullivan 
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Re: On the subject of Infrared

[Mark C]

A few months ago I had my Nikon P6000 converted to IR by this guy:

http://www.isaacszabo.com/infrared.html

Don't know if he does full spectrum conversions, but worth asking. Very 
fast turn around, good price and no problems with it at all. I'm 
planning on sending my K5 to him when I upgrade to a K1, though I'm very 
happy with the IR P shoot since it is and easy carry along with a 
regular DSLR.


My K10D was converted by Pro Camera Repair in San Diego, but when I 
contacted them a while back they said they did not have a qualified tech 
to do that work. Maybe they have found someone by now.


In the past I used an *ist D with RM90 and alter an R72 filter. It 
worked well but you don't get the sensitivity that a converted camera 
can give you. Often shot at ISO 800 or 1600. By contrast, the P6000 I 
had converted recently usually stays at ISO64 - at that setting the IQ 
is actually pretty good.


Some years ago I did a comparison of RM90 vs R72 filters on the *ist-D, 
if you are interested see here:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/digital_infrared_hoya_r72_vs_rm90

My father used the RM90 with Kodak HIE - I tried it but there was 
surprisingly little difference between the RM90 and and a #29 deep red 
filter, other than a much longer exposure time. That's what made HIE so 
nice... you could just put on ared filter and get killer IR effect.


Mark

On 6/10/2016 6:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR 
filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio 
flashes so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper 
than buying the 3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in 
order to have an IR only light source, let me know.


If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or 
full spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax 
DSLRs these days?


My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full 
spectrum, and if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in 
front of the lens. With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I 
had some difficulty finding IR block filters. Does anyone have 
specific recommendations for such?






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Re: On the subject of Infrared

[Paul Stenquist]

I tried that combo as well, probably after seeing your success with it, Dave. 
Definitely an easily workable way to play with IR.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:55 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> John, i found the combo of istd and the R72 filter worked great, best
> camera i have done IR with
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:15 PM, John  wrote:
>> I don't need a Sony nex. I already have a *ist-D, K10D & K20D (along
>> with the K-3 I'm currently using as my main body).
>> 
>> If I can find someone who does "a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax
>> DSLRs", I'd rather have one of them converted, especially if I can use
>> Larry's idea of having it converted to full spectrum & using an IR
>> filter on the front of the lens so I could still use it as a visible
>> light backup.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/10/2016 6:44 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>> 
>>> A simple mirrorless without ibis makes for an easier conversion.
>>> Something
>>> to consider. Get a Sony nex with adapter and look at it as an ir back.
>>> That's what I would do since the optical viewfinder becomes useless with
>>> full spectrum.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2016 6:40 PM, "Larry Colen"  wrote:
 
 Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR
 filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio
 flashes
 so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper than buying
 the 3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in order to have
 an
 IR only light source, let me know.
 
 If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or full
 spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax DSLRs
 these days?
 
 My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full spectrum,
 and if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in front of the
 lens. With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I had some
 difficulty finding IR block filters. Does anyone have specific
 recommendations for such?
 
 
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Re: On the subject of Infrared

[David J Brooks]

John, i found the combo of istd and the R72 filter worked great, best
camera i have done IR with

Dave

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:15 PM, John  wrote:
> I don't need a Sony nex. I already have a *ist-D, K10D & K20D (along
> with the K-3 I'm currently using as my main body).
>
> If I can find someone who does "a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax
> DSLRs", I'd rather have one of them converted, especially if I can use
> Larry's idea of having it converted to full spectrum & using an IR
> filter on the front of the lens so I could still use it as a visible
> light backup.
>
>
>
> On 6/10/2016 6:44 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>
>> A simple mirrorless without ibis makes for an easier conversion.
>> Something
>> to consider. Get a Sony nex with adapter and look at it as an ir back.
>> That's what I would do since the optical viewfinder becomes useless with
>> full spectrum.
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2016 6:40 PM, "Larry Colen"  wrote:
>>
>>> Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR
>>> filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio
>>> flashes
>>> so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper than buying
>>> the 3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in order to have
>>> an
>>> IR only light source, let me know.
>>>
>>> If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or full
>>> spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax DSLRs
>>> these days?
>>>
>>> My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full spectrum,
>>> and if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in front of the
>>> lens. With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I had some
>>> difficulty finding IR block filters. Does anyone have specific
>>> recommendations for such?
>>>
>>>
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Re: On the subject of Infrared

[John]

I don't need a Sony nex. I already have a *ist-D, K10D & K20D (along
with the K-3 I'm currently using as my main body).

If I can find someone who does "a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax
DSLRs", I'd rather have one of them converted, especially if I can use
Larry's idea of having it converted to full spectrum & using an IR
filter on the front of the lens so I could still use it as a visible
light backup.


On 6/10/2016 6:44 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

A simple mirrorless without ibis makes for an easier conversion.  Something
to consider. Get a Sony nex with adapter and look at it as an ir back.
That's what I would do since the optical viewfinder becomes useless with
full spectrum.

On Jun 10, 2016 6:40 PM, "Larry Colen"  wrote:


Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR
filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio flashes
so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper than buying
the 3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in order to have an
IR only light source, let me know.

If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or full
spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax DSLRs
these days?

My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full spectrum,
and if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in front of the
lens. With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I had some
difficulty finding IR block filters. Does anyone have specific
recommendations for such?


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RE: On the subject of Infrared

[Mark Stringer]

What is the issue with in body image stabilization?


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-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:45 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
Subject: Re: On the subject of Infrared

A simple mirrorless without ibis makes for an easier conversion.  Something
to consider. Get a Sony nex with adapter and look at it as an ir back.
That's what I would do since the optical viewfinder becomes useless with
full spectrum.
On Jun 10, 2016 6:40 PM, "Larry Colen" <l...@red4est.com> wrote:

> Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR 
> filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio 
> flashes so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper 
> than buying the 3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in 
> order to have an IR only light source, let me know.
>
> If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or 
> full spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax 
> DSLRs these days?
>
> My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full 
> spectrum, and if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in 
> front of the lens. With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I 
> had some difficulty finding IR block filters. Does anyone have 
> specific recommendations for such?
>
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RE: On the subject of Infrared

[Mark Stringer]

I had Lifepixel convert my Lumix GX8 and sold the Oly E-PL5. I went full
spectrum.  I bought into the mirrorless conversion for ease of use.  I
cannot get it straight if Pentax live view would work as well. I read some
articles and I have a K-x.  It is moot for now tho.  You may know better
since you have experience.  

I have two really good lens and can adapt my Pentax lenses for fun.  The GX8
has a bright lcd and bright viewfinder.  For outdoor use I think this will
help me a lot.

kolarivision.com and precisioncamera.com  and lifepixel.com all do
conversions.


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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:39 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss List <pdml@pdml.net>
Subject: On the subject of Infrared

Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR
filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio flashes
so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper than buying the
3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in order to have an IR
only light source, let me know.

If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or full
spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax DSLRs these
days?

My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full spectrum, and
if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in front of the lens.
With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I had some difficulty
finding IR block filters. Does anyone have specific recommendations for
such?


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Re: On the subject of Infrared

[Zos Xavius]

A simple mirrorless without ibis makes for an easier conversion.  Something
to consider. Get a Sony nex with adapter and look at it as an ir back.
That's what I would do since the optical viewfinder becomes useless with
full spectrum.
On Jun 10, 2016 6:40 PM, "Larry Colen"  wrote:

> Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR
> filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio flashes
> so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper than buying
> the 3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in order to have an
> IR only light source, let me know.
>
> If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or full
> spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax DSLRs
> these days?
>
> My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full spectrum,
> and if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in front of the
> lens. With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I had some
> difficulty finding IR block filters. Does anyone have specific
> recommendations for such?
>
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On the subject of Infrared

[Larry Colen]

Back when I had a working IR K-5, I bought a large sheet of plastic IR 
filter, about 1/8" thick to make filters for speedlights and studio 
flashes so that they would only transmit in IR.  It was much cheaper 
than buying the 3" squares of gel from B  If anybody needs some, in 
order to have an IR only light source, let me know.


If I were to do something like convert on of my old bodies to IR (or 
full spectrum), who is doing a good, reasonably priced, job on Pentax 
DSLRs these days?


My preference for an IR body would be to have the body be full spectrum, 
and if I need IR only, or visible only, just put a filter in front of 
the lens. With live view, IR only is much less of an issue. I had some 
difficulty finding IR block filters. Does anyone have specific 
recommendations for such?



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Re:Message: 11,Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:59:37 +0100,From: "Steve Cottrell" <co...@seeingeye.tv>, To: "pentax list" <PDML@pdml.net>, Subject: Re: Long macro lenses for K mount?,Message-ID: <2016043008

[Donald Guthrie]

Absolutely agree.

On 4/30/16 5:10 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 11
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:59:37 +0100
From: "Steve Cottrell"<co...@seeingeye.tv>
To: "pentax list"<PDML@pdml.net>
Subject: Re: Long macro lenses for K mount?
Message-ID:<20160430085937.1308345...@newsmtp.blacknight.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 29/4/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:


>
>Not the A, but I do have one of the very rare FA* 200/4 Macros. It's
>very nice.
>I read somewhere that there were only 200 made. I don't know if that is
>true or not.
>Here's a picture taken with it:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/wetrock.html

Never seen that before. Jesus I hope that's going in a pdml annual at
some point. Stunning!



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On the subject of prodigal lenses

[Larry Colen]

My 18-250 returned home from Tamron repair.  Three days turnaround at 
the shop, three days shipping.


They did a CLA, repaired any broken pieces, and returned it in much 
better shape than it was even before I busted the UV filter.  All of the 
wobble when the barrel is extended is gone, it is tight but not sticky, 
and seems to work just fine.  $176 is their base rate to the West Coast.


If they made a weatherproof version of this lens, it would be just about 
the perfect daytime/outdoors walkabout lens. It's surprisingly sharp, 
isn't too large and it covers the vast majority of focal lengths you need.


I do find it amusing that my two APS only lenses are the two that needed 
repair just before the K-1 is released.



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Re:Message: 2,Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:56:13 -0400,From: Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com>,To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>, Subject: Re: geso: Spring into my backyard, Message-ID: <92

[Donald Guthrie]

Thanks for the look Paul, appreciate the comments.

On 4/19/16 9:47 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:56:13 -0400 From: Paul Stenquist 
<pnstenqu...@mac.com> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> 
Subject: Re: geso: Spring into my backyard Message-ID: 
<92e5d254-3c42-4923-83e3-a5b549cb7...@mac.com> Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=us-ascii What Ken said. A nice set. Paul via phone

>On Apr 19, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Ken Waller<kwal...@peoplepc.com>  wrote:
>
>Most are very nice captures Don. I like the isolation and color of most of the 
subjects.
>
>
>-Original Message-

>>From: Donald Guthrie<shark50...@gmail.com>
>>Subject: geso: Spring into my backyard
>>
>>Last fall I remembered to plant a few tulip bulbs. Here is the fruits of
>>the labor mixed with cherry blossoms & one photo I said I would never
>>post here or anywhere but she would not leave me alone. C welcomed.
>>
>>http://adobe.ly/1WDLThM

>



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OT, on the subject of edible hats

[Larry Colen]

Hamantaschen are a purim treat that are supposed to represent Haman's 
hat.  Someone by the name of Debs combined making hamantaschen with 
wonderful math geekery.


For your pleasure, I submit

http://seattlelocalfood.com/2011/03/20/sierpinski-hamantaschen-sierpinskitaschen/

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Re: OT, on the subject of edible hats

[steve harley]

On 2015-02-27 16:16 , Larry Colen wrote:

Hamantaschen are a purim treat that are supposed to represent Haman's hat.
Someone by the name of Debs combined making hamantaschen with wonderful math
geekery.

For your pleasure, I submit

http://seattlelocalfood.com/2011/03/20/sierpinski-hamantaschen-sierpinskitaschen/


conceptually infinite hat-eating to commemorate an indefinite wait

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[Jack Davis]

test


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[Jack Davis]

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Re: Subject: for our cat folks

[Don Guthrie]

And there's my laugh for the day. Thank you .

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:08:08 -0600
From: Christine Aguilachrist...@caguila.com
To: PDML Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: for our cat folks
Message-ID:133c1c32-0bbd-48e0-8a3b-c947d9930...@caguila.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Just a playful tow sign for City Cat Doctors.  Thought our cat folks might get 
a chuckle out it.

http://www.caguila.com/catsign/content/_IGP7815_large.html

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[Alan C]

The Phalaborwa Orchid Club are holding their annual show this weekend. This 
GESO is a photographic record of some of the exhibits. The climate is ideal 
for growing orchids without need for a controlled environment. Some of the 
members did well on national shows in former years but don't travel any more 
because of the cost.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157635295258571/

All taken with my K110D  DA 18-55mm.

Alan 



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OT On the subject of black velvet

[Larry Colen]

I think I need this on black velvet:
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/cats_playing_hippos
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Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

[Tom C]

From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com

 I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is
 capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it.

 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

Really?

You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
show you a million that are.

Tom C.

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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

[Tom C]

 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

 Really?

 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
defective.

Tom C.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com

 I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is
 capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it.

 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

 Really?

 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

 Tom C.

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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Tom C wrote:
 From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com

 I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is
 capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it.
 
 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).
 
 Really?
 
 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

[adding in Tom's followup from a separate post]
 I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
 speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
 producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
 defective.

That just brings you up to half-true.  ;-)  My point is that any camera
you refuse to use because you hate it can't produce a pleasing and
decent image.  Like you, I'm talking in general terms, obviously one can
haul the camera out and take a picture -- but if your inclination is to
leave it in the closet gathering dust instead of taking pictures...
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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

[Bill]

On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote:

That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue
that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

Really?
You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
show you a million that are.

I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
defective.

Tom C.
I fully understand Aahz's no camera is good if you hate to use it 
comment. The camera my be fine, but if it's ergonomics are getting in 
the way of the user, or even if it's just butt ugly and is missing key 
components (the Pentax K-01 for example), it's not going to be something 
the photographer wants to use.


bill

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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

[Bob Sullivan]

Case in point...
I have the K-01 with me all the time in the car
I'm still having trouble getting used to the 'NO VIEWFINDER.'
This makes me put it away faster/sooner and stop shooting.
Not really a good thing.  I'm trying to adjust, but...
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote:

 That's half-true, at best.  My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light
 photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon
 A710).  Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can
 argue
 that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question).

 Really?
 You show me one camera that cannot produce a pleasing image and I'll
 show you a million that are.

 I wasn't referring to a specific use for a specific camera. I was
 speaking in general terms, that being, any camera is capable of
 producing a pleasing and decent image, unless it's downright
 defective.

 Tom C.

 I fully understand Aahz's no camera is good if you hate to use it comment.
 The camera my be fine, but if it's ergonomics are getting in the way of the
 user, or even if it's just butt ugly and is missing key components (the
 Pentax K-01 for example), it's not going to be something the photographer
 wants to use.

 bill


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Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Case in point...
 I have the K-01 with me all the time in the car
 I'm still having trouble getting used to the 'NO VIEWFINDER.'
 This makes me put it away faster/sooner and stop shooting.
 Not really a good thing.  I'm trying to adjust, but...

The cheap prices of the K-01 keep tempting me, but I have learned from
experience that I need a viewfinder or at least a good articulating LCD
and the K-01 has neither, so I keep exercising self-discipline, even
though it'd probably work well enough for the main purpose that I want to
get it for (indoor low-light photography).  I'm not comfortable yet
buying a camera for only one purpose.
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