Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
John, in Lightroom Classic, select, e.g., all your Iraq time zoned images. Under Metadata menu, choose Edit Capture Time. The sub menu offers the option to do a time zone adjustment. There is a warning that you cannot UnDo any change. That is only somewhat true. You won’t have an UnDo option per se, but you can always repeat the action as many times as needed to get it right. And there is an option to reset to original capture time if you need to back off and start over. Stan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2024, at 3:00 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > … > > So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by 12 > hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS being > pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but constant and > forever. > > Whenever I've tried to fix it in post it ends up screwing with the DATE > (trying to change Date Taken to the current computer date/time). > > … > Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
> On 26 Jan 2024, at 20:00, John Sessoms wrote: > > I have a hard time even remembering to "Spring Forward/Fall Back" ... the > "fall back" part isn't that big of a problem, but the week after "spring > forward" I'd be late for my own hanging. It seems to me that that would be a good thing… > > What I've got is I got the *ist-D early in 2004 and set the time to "New > York" (aka Eastern US time zone) and shipped out to Iraq a couple of weeks > later. > > I didn't notice the time zone setting until I'd been in country for several > months. And after I did notice, I was back home for several months before I > noticed the camera was still on "Moscow" time (Iraq time zone) > > So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by 12 > hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS being > pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but constant and > forever. > > Whenever I've tried to fix it in post it ends up screwing with the DATE > (trying to change Date Taken to the current computer date/time). > > To a lesser extent I've had the same "problems" with the K10D, K20D, K-3 & > the K-1. > > A camera that could automagically determine the local time zone & keep the > internal clock updated would suit me just fine. My cell phone can do it, why > can't my camera? > > I use the cell phone camera occasionally, but I like my DSLRs more. I > couldn't have done the eclipse on my cell phone. > I don’t know what date/time format standard the metadata is supposed to use, but it really ought* to be in ISO format, which (optionally) includes the offset from UTC. This would make your task quite straightforward using the method Mark suggested. The thing to be careful about, if you were writing some sort of macro to make the change rather than relying on a trusted routine from elsewhere, is when the offset takes you forward or back to a different date. For example, time showing as 11am on 1 March, subtract 12 hours - was it a leap year? Make sure you have a backup! *a well-designed system would distinguish between the format of the stored date time (I would usually use ISO), and the format of the displayed date time, so years later when looking at your photos in the comfort of Badiddlyboing, Odawidaho you ask yourself, what the hell time was it in Ulan Bator when I made this masterpiece? It can tell you without having to change any of your data. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
John Sessoms wrote: >What I've got is I got the *ist-D early in 2004 and set the time to "New >York" (aka Eastern US time zone) and shipped out to Iraq a couple of >weeks later. > >I didn't notice the time zone setting until I'd been in country for >several months. And after I did notice, I was back home for several >months before I noticed the camera was still on "Moscow" time (Iraq time >zone) > >So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by >12 hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS >being pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but >constant and forever. Whenever I travel I start out in my new time zone by taking a photograph of a clock showing local time. Then when I get home I use Lightroom to batch change all the photos by adjusting the "Capture Time" by the number of hours necessary to get the correct time. Takes just a few seconds. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
On 1/23/2024 8:42 AM, Bob W PDML wrote: On 23 Jan 2024, at 13:30, John Sessoms wrote: […] I'll have to think about changing over to UTC. At least then ALL of the times will be "WRONG", rather than just blocks of them. It doesn’t have to be UTC of course - it could be any time you choose as the reference time, eg the time in your home town, or in Ulan Batar, as long as all the cameras have the same time. It’s not like you look at the camera to tell the time in whatever non-home timezone you may find yourself, you have a watch for that, presumably. I have a hard time even remembering to "Spring Forward/Fall Back" ... the "fall back" part isn't that big of a problem, but the week after "spring forward" I'd be late for my own hanging. What I've got is I got the *ist-D early in 2004 and set the time to "New York" (aka Eastern US time zone) and shipped out to Iraq a couple of weeks later. I didn't notice the time zone setting until I'd been in country for several months. And after I did notice, I was back home for several months before I noticed the camera was still on "Moscow" time (Iraq time zone) So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by 12 hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS being pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but constant and forever. Whenever I've tried to fix it in post it ends up screwing with the DATE (trying to change Date Taken to the current computer date/time). To a lesser extent I've had the same "problems" with the K10D, K20D, K-3 & the K-1. A camera that could automagically determine the local time zone & keep the internal clock updated would suit me just fine. My cell phone can do it, why can't my camera? I use the cell phone camera occasionally, but I like my DSLRs more. I couldn't have done the eclipse on my cell phone. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
Just found a K-3ii with fewer than 3500 shutter actuations on eBay. I should have it some time next week. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 23 Jan 2024, at 01:54, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > Hmm. I like to keep the camera's date setting current, but rarely ever look > at the time my cameras are set to. > I order things in LR by frame number, not by time, and only very very > occasionally use more than one camera at a time, so it's rarely an issue. > > If I do have two cameras output (iphone and m10m, or m10m and m10r), since I > don't shoot all that many frames in a session on average, I can usually > integrate all the photos together in the right sequence and then rename them > into an ordinal sequence, if that seems important. I can also set the capture > times into an ordinal range that way. > > Most of the time, I don't worry about time and date very much. Once I've > rendered my photos and put together a set to display, whatever order they are > in is what I choose, not what the frame numbering or the time/date sequence > are. > > Life is sure simpler in the Polaroid instant film world where a pack of film > has only eight exposures and I can remember exactly what sequence I shot them > in… :D There’s a lot to be said for that! I’ve just discovered that the Visoflex 020 has a GPS. So attached to my M10M, and after changing a couple of settings in the menu, it can pluck the date and time from out of the sky! As far as I can tell it uses local time, but as I’m in the UTC time zone it’s difficult to be sure. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 23 Jan 2024, at 13:30, John Sessoms wrote: > > > > […] > I'll have to think about changing over to UTC. > > At least then ALL of the times will be "WRONG", rather than just blocks of > them. > It doesn’t have to be UTC of course - it could be any time you choose as the reference time, eg the time in your home town, or in Ulan Batar, as long as all the cameras have the same time. It’s not like you look at the camera to tell the time in whatever non-home timezone you may find yourself, you have a watch for that, presumably. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/22/2024 5:07 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms wrote: Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time? That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours. I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time sorting all stuffed up. Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to. Wouldn't be a problem if it had been in one of the little towns. I'm pretty good at sorting out the landmarks. It's the photos "I know it was out in the middle of nowhere along the highway between Stephenville and San Angelo" that give me fits. That's where the built in GPS would come in handy. I'll have to think about changing over to UTC. At least then ALL of the times will be "WRONG", rather than just blocks of them. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: > >> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms wrote: >> >> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time? >> >> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different >> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, >> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting >> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway >> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours. >> > > I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC > and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. > > If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any > problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time > sorting all stuffed up. > > Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record > of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in > image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to. Hmm. I like to keep the camera's date setting current, but rarely ever look at the time my cameras are set to. I order things in LR by frame number, not by time, and only very very occasionally use more than one camera at a time, so it's rarely an issue. If I do have two cameras output (iphone and m10m, or m10m and m10r), since I don't shoot all that many frames in a session on average, I can usually integrate all the photos together in the right sequence and then rename them into an ordinal sequence, if that seems important. I can also set the capture times into an ordinal range that way. Most of the time, I don't worry about time and date very much. Once I've rendered my photos and put together a set to display, whatever order they are in is what I choose, not what the frame numbering or the time/date sequence are. Life is sure simpler in the Polaroid instant film world where a pack of film has only eight exposures and I can remember exactly what sequence I shot them in… :D G -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: > >> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms wrote: >> >> >> >> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time? >> >> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different >> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, >> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting >> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway >> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours. >> > > I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC > and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. > > If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any > problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time > sorting all stuffed up. I have actually been seriously considering changing my cameras to GMT or UTC, and not have to worry about DST, time zones or anything like that. I've also taken photos of the time on my phone with the K-3iii or the Lumix to help sync the times in lightroom. > > Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record > of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in > image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to. In theory, you can get that information from the GPS you know. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stanley Halpin wrote: >Long ago and far away (specifically, Northern Italy, 2007) I took a drive from >our B lodging around Lago Garda, a beautiful region favored as a vacation >spot since the Middle Ages if not earlier. Several small fishing villages >around the lake. I of course stopped at every village and took shots of the >fishing boats and other boats in the marinas & dock areas. > >Two weeks later, back home, scrolling through the images on my >computer, I kept thinking to myself: Self, where were you when you >took that photo? Which village was it? How can I properly caption >the image if I dont know the name of the village! This is roughly my situation. Lisa and I are doing a lot more travel these days and I find it very helpful to have GPS tagging on my photos to tell where each was taken (there were places in the Czech Republic that I didn't even know the name of until after the trip when I looked at the GPS coordinates). I'm not interested in adding to either my shooting workflow (taking notes and getting left behind by the rest of the group) or my post-processing workflow (synching up with a separate file of GPS data). And I certainly don't want any extra dongles or anything to carry with me. A GPS-enabled camera is the simplest solution. I'll be getting a K-3ii. BTW: I just noticed that the K-3ii has dual SD card slots! Bravo! Another feature made to order for me. With the K-1 I always shoot to both SD cards at once, just in case of memory card failure or one-off file corruption, the latter of which has happened to me a few times. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax APS-C cameras
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 4:36 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > On 1/22/2024 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote: >>> >>> I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to >>> fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it. >>> >>> I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in >>> more than a general way) when I took a photo. >> Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within >> a few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks >> synchronized. > > Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time? > > That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different > time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, > i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting > for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway > round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours. > John, I don’t trust the time setting 100%. However, the best hack I have found is to take a picture of my watch or nearby clock every morning, with whatever cameras I have with me, GPS or not. It is easy to re-set the time in metadata in LR Classic later, and so I can correct any wrong time zones by camera for all shots in the day, and at the same time it synchs all cameras (eg, mine and whatever Meg is using) so that a sort by time-shot puts images into proper order. Which greatly facilitates selecting multiple images for keyboarding, etc. Stan -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms wrote: > > > > Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time? > > That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different > time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, > i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting > for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway > round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours. > I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time sorting all stuffed up. Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/22/2024 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it. I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more than a general way) when I took a photo. Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within a few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks synchronized. Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time? That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark! Oh damn. As you were. Cot > On 20 Jan 2024, at 16:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > I tend to agree with Paul on this -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A number of interesting answers to the "why GPS" question, thank you. From the answers, I think my long-held workflow practices from non-GPS equipped cameras manage to do the same job … when traveling, I keep a journal and update it daily with the names and places of everywhere I've visited, any interesting sights, any specific photo ops I've made. Since LR came available in 2006, I've input a digest of this information with every import operation as IPTC information … locations, subjects and notion in keywords, etc. So it's typically a lot faster for me to say, "Hmm, where was this photo made and what other photos were made around there?" and find the answers by searching IPTC metadata rather than depending upon GPS information. GPS information adds to that IPTC metadata, but since only one or two of my cameras (and the smartphones) have ever had GPS tagging in them, way more of my needs in this domain come from the metadata tagging that has been part of my photography forever. (Older photography from the film era … well, I did the same annotation of the negatives with keywords, location, etc on the negative sleeves…) Since the focus of my photographic efforts is only casually documentarian in nature for the most part, the notion of "needing" automated location/time-date stamping as part of my photographic efforts has simply never been part of my personal work by much. It is something of a curiosity when I go out with only the iPhone or the Light L16 cameras and later review the original photos I import in the Maps module of LR Classic. And of course, I normally strip all metadata in the photos I post to my flickr site. To me, the reason for posting photos has little to do, most of the time, with where, when, and what equipment was used in the making of the photos. I'm interested in the emotional content and expression of photographs, not in the literal description of what is imaged… Curious stuff to think about. Thank you again. G — No matter where you go, there you are. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Long ago and far away (specifically, Northern Italy, 2007) I took a drive from our B lodging around Lago Garda, a beautiful region favored as a vacation spot since the Middle Ages if not earlier. Several small fishing villages around the lake. I of course stopped at every village and took shots of the fishing boats and other boats in the marinas & dock areas. Two weeks later, back home, scrolling through the images on my computer, I kept thinking to myself: “Self, where were you when you took that photo? Which village was it? How can I properly caption the image if I don’t know the name of the village!” That’s why I bought a Garmin and used that to track my location until cameras started to provide GPS tracking directly or via the O-1. Most recently, yesterday I was working on a re-cap of our trip to the Norwegian coast last March. Our published itinerary often did not agree with what/where actually happened. Weather, ship propulsion issues, etc. The embedded GPS in the metadata was hugely helpful! Stan > On Jan 21, 2024, at 6:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we > need GPS location information in our photographs? > > Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I > don't know why I'd want it. > I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at > the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS > location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I > haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. > > G > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I keep the GPS of my K-1 always on so I don't forget to switch it on. How much faster this drains my battery, I have no idea. After a day trip I take the SD card out and also recharge the battery. Almost never need a spare battery. Henk Op 2024-01-22 om 12:04 schreef Bob W PDML: I can see the value of it even if it’s something that I don’t have much need for personally. To me it would be quite useful sometimes for a camera to connect automatically (ie without all the ridiculous faff of camera WiFi connections) using Bluetooth or Ant+ or something similar to external devices which have GPS, such as a phone, smartwatch or Garmin bike device. So when you press the shutter it can just write the current position and time into the image file. I imagine that would be less of a drain on the battery than keeping a built-in GPS active. On 21 Jan 2024, at 23:08, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I can see the value of it even if it’s something that I don’t have much need for personally. To me it would be quite useful sometimes for a camera to connect automatically (ie without all the ridiculous faff of camera WiFi connections) using Bluetooth or Ant+ or something similar to external devices which have GPS, such as a phone, smartwatch or Garmin bike device. So when you press the shutter it can just write the current position and time into the image file. I imagine that would be less of a drain on the battery than keeping a built-in GPS active. > On 21 Jan 2024, at 23:08, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we > need GPS location information in our photographs? > > Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I > don't know why I'd want it. > I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at > the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS > location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I > haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. > > G > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 22.01.24 um 00:08 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi: S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we need GPS location information in our photographs? Now, that's an easy one... Whenever I'm looking for a photo of a particular place or subject to accompany one of my blog posts, I can do so using the GPS data. Michael has written me a clever little utility that will display a map where I can zoom into the wanted area and it will show me the thumbnails of all photos taken there. Makes my life a whole lot easier. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, it is like many other features of a good versatile camera as weather resistance, good AF, tilt screen etc. I do appreciate these out in the field where I frequently have to sit on my knees. It all depends on the type of photography you are in. Henk Van: Godfrey DiGiorgi Verzonden: maandag 22 januari 2024 00:08 Aan: PDML Onderwerp: Re: Pentax APS-C cameras S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we need GPS location information in our photographs? Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't know why I'd want it. I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. G -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to > fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it. > > I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more > than a general way) when I took a photo. Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within a few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks synchronized. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to > fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it. > > I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more > than a general way) when I took a photo. Yeah, and sometimes I don't realize that I want to remember where a photo was taken until some time later. Or, I'll just simply forget to use the phone to geotag. It can also be handy to use when looking for a particular photo. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it. I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more than a general way) when I took a photo. On 1/21/2024 6:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we need GPS location information in our photographs? Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't know why I'd want it. I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. G -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of the APS-C cameras have built in GPS. According to Ricoh, the K-3/K-3 Mark III, K-5/K-5II/K-5IIs can take the O-GPS1 module - discontinued according to Ricoh, but if you don't already have it you can probably find one NOS or used at KEH ... They'll all do the GPS function & ASTROTRACER. On 1/19/2024 6:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we need GPS location information in our photographs? Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't know why I'd want it. I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. G -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/21/2024 4:33 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: Good choice, saving the fuzz with handling of the coordinates. Would also be my choice, however the K-3II is not compatible with my favourite lens, the quiet 55-300 PLM version. The GPS data I need are essential for identification and reporting of species in the field. There is a phone app for this, but in many cases such as flying insects a long lens is needed. Henk According to Ricoh the 55-300 PLM is compatible with the K3II with the camera updated to the latest firmware. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Correction: the 55-300 PLM can be used on the K-3II with updated firmware. Henk Op 2024-01-21 om 11:33 schreef Henk Terhell: Good choice, saving the fuzz with handling of the coordinates. Would also be my choice, however the K-3II is not compatible with my favourite lens, the quiet 55-300 PLM version. The GPS data I need are essential for identification and reporting of species in the field. There is a phone app for this, but in many cases such as flying insects a long lens is needed. Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have a clip-on O-GPS1 which can I use on my trusty K5. Very small & easy to use for GPS. Alan C On 20-Jan-24 10:41 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 20.01.24 um 21:30 schrieb Larry Colen: I recently picked up one of these for my bike rides. It does a nice job of logging my rides and doesn't wear my phone batteries down the way trying to use the phone GPS apps does. https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps It would be wonderful if I could somehow sync the location data with my photos in lightroom. I use a software called HoudahGeo on my Mac to tag the photos. I'm sure there is something comparable for Windows. Have a look here: https://alternativeto.net/software/houdahgeo/ Ralf -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good choice, saving the fuzz with handling of the coordinates. Would also be my choice, however the K-3II is not compatible with my favourite lens, the quiet 55-300 PLM version. The GPS data I need are essential for identification and reporting of species in the field. There is a phone app for this, but in many cases such as flying insects a long lens is needed. Henk Op 2024-01-20 om 20:49 schreef Mark Roberts: Alan C wrote: It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1. All right, so the K-3ii it is, then. A quick look around the web shows they seem to be holding their value pretty well, which is a good sign. -- -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 20.01.24 um 21:30 schrieb Larry Colen: I recently picked up one of these for my bike rides. It does a nice job of logging my rides and doesn't wear my phone batteries down the way trying to use the phone GPS apps does. https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps It would be wonderful if I could somehow sync the location data with my photos in lightroom. I use a software called HoudahGeo on my Mac to tag the photos. I'm sure there is something comparable for Windows. Have a look here: https://alternativeto.net/software/houdahgeo/ Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio :http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos :https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:14 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 20.01.24 um 11:02 I wrote: >> I've been using a portable Garmin device that I carry (or rather drive) >> along to record my itinerary. > > There were/are also the so-called GPS mice, e.g. the XAiOX iTrackU, small and > light-weight devices the size of a mini mouse, logging your itinerary for > later automated tagging of your photos back home. Put one in your pocket and > forget about it while you shoot with just any camera. I recently picked up one of these for my bike rides. It does a nice job of logging my rides and doesn't wear my phone batteries down the way trying to use the phone GPS apps does. https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps It would be wonderful if I could somehow sync the location data with my photos in lightroom. It does seem that the K-3iii will sync with the phone through the ricoh app. I haven't sorted that out yet, though it can be nice for setting the camera clock. My biggest use for GPS seems to be syncing the camera clocks when using multiple cameras. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 20.01.24 um 11:02 I wrote: I've been using a portable Garmin device that I carry (or rather drive) along to record my itinerary. There were/are also the so-called GPS mice, e.g. the XAiOX iTrackU, small and light-weight devices the size of a mini mouse, logging your itinerary for later automated tagging of your photos back home. Put one in your pocket and forget about it while you shoot with just any camera. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Alan C wrote: >It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1. All right, so the K-3ii it is, then. A quick look around the web shows they seem to be holding their value pretty well, which is a good sign. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Henk: smartphones are centered on communications technology, where cameras generally are not. Thus the difference … a difference in engineering/design focus. I tend to agree with Paul on this, however: My favorite cycling camera is my now-ancient Light L16. It's like carrying a large cell phone, outputs 50 Mpixel raw files, has a zoom range from 28 to 150 mm, and has a full Android OS under the covers so it knows all about GPS, WiFi networks, and wireless communications. It works well hand-held or on a tripod. A delightful camera … I hope the battery lasts a few more years as I'll be sad when it's no longer usable. G > On Jan 20, 2024, at 6:22 AM, Comcast wrote: > > For a bicycle trip all one really needs is a top of the line phone. In good > light and with the lens clean (very important with a phone) my iphone 12 pro > mac is nearly as good as my Pentax K3, and an iphone 15 pro max is several > generations better. And of course it privides GPS and great mapping > capability. It can even be used to make a phone call! The era of compact > cameras is over. Wrlcome to 2024. > Paul > >> On Jan 20, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: >> >> For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most DSLRs >> and mirrorless not. For landscape and nature pictures it is so useful to >> have it on my K-1. If GPS seems to easily fit in a flat phone, why not in an >> APSC-C? For me this is another step forward to kill real cameras sales in >> favour of smartphones. >> The use of apps or the clip-on GPS module are cumbersome in the field and >> are only stopgaps. >> >> Even adventure cameras like the new Pentax WG-90 do not have GPS. >> Exceptions are the Ricoh WG-6 (for as long as it is available) and the new >> OM TG-7, however their image quality may be on the level of a good phone. >> >> Henk >> >> Op 2024-01-20 om 10:00 schreef Larry Colen: >>> It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II >>> There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through >>> the app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can >>> theoretically do. >>> What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, >>> importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to >>> see where I took the photos. > On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C wrote: Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & K3iii, K5 series & a few others. It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1. Alan C On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote: > https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2 > > Alan C > > On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like >> the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like >> something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For a bicycle trip all one really needs is a top of the line phone. In good light and with the lens clean (very important with a phone) my iphone 12 pro mac is nearly as good as my Pentax K3, and an iphone 15 pro max is several generations better. And of course it privides GPS and great mapping capability. It can even be used to make a phone call! The era of compact cameras is over. Wrlcome to 2024. Paul > On Jan 20, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: > > For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most DSLRs > and mirrorless not. For landscape and nature pictures it is so useful to have > it on my K-1. If GPS seems to easily fit in a flat phone, why not in an > APSC-C? For me this is another step forward to kill real cameras sales in > favour of smartphones. > The use of apps or the clip-on GPS module are cumbersome in the field and are > only stopgaps. > > Even adventure cameras like the new Pentax WG-90 do not have GPS. > Exceptions are the Ricoh WG-6 (for as long as it is available) and the new OM > TG-7, however their image quality may be on the level of a good phone. > > Henk > > Op 2024-01-20 om 10:00 schreef Larry Colen: >> It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II >> There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through the >> app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can >> theoretically do. >> What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, >> importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to see >> where I took the photos. On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & >>> K3iii, K5 series & a few others. >>> >>> It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1. >>> >>> Alan C >>> >>> On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2 Alan C On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like > the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like > something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone. > >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 20.01.24 um 10:37 schrieb Henk Terhell: For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most DSLRs and mirrorless not. Might have something to do with battery life, but I'm just guessing. I've been using a portable Garmin device that I carry (or rather drive) along to record my itinerary. https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/300-kmh-fotoralfbe/44788113 Back at home, photos and GPS data are combined in Houdah Geo. Has been working perfectly for many years and it can be used to tag my audio recordings as well. Besides, the track data can be viewed in Google Earth. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most DSLRs and mirrorless not. For landscape and nature pictures it is so useful to have it on my K-1. If GPS seems to easily fit in a flat phone, why not in an APSC-C? For me this is another step forward to kill real cameras sales in favour of smartphones. The use of apps or the clip-on GPS module are cumbersome in the field and are only stopgaps. Even adventure cameras like the new Pentax WG-90 do not have GPS. Exceptions are the Ricoh WG-6 (for as long as it is available) and the new OM TG-7, however their image quality may be on the level of a good phone. Henk Op 2024-01-20 om 10:00 schreef Larry Colen: It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through the app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can theoretically do. What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to see where I took the photos. On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C wrote: Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & K3iii, K5 series & a few others. It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1. Alan C On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2 Alan C On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through the app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can theoretically do. What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to see where I took the photos. > On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C wrote: > > Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & > K3iii, K5 series & a few others. > > It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1. > > Alan C > > On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote: >> https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2 >> >> >> Alan C >> >> On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: >>> What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like >>> the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like >>> something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone. >>> >> > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & K3iii, K5 series & a few others. It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1. Alan C On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2 Alan C On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2 Alan C On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
