, then Bar isn't a Foo. In the latter case you can only check if
certain methods are there, and we already have can() for that.
What would does() or implement() do differenly? Tell you that Bar implements
a method just like Foo() does?
All the best,
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On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:26, Adam Kennedy wrote:
Tels wrote:
The DB backend shouldn't matter at all, it should be transparent and be
switchable without any noticable change at the front.
Yep, right with you. Hence DBIx::Class.
*sigh
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On Thursday 13 July 2006 19:40, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
* Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-12 19:00]:
Using SQLite or similiar is what really creates the problems
with CPANTS - you cant just access the raw database without the
front-end
* another project (yet-another-database-for-cpan called CPAN::Index) is on
the way and much further along - this would just mean nobody will use
mywork and I don't want to waste my time re-inventing the wheel.
I am sorry.
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On Wednesday 12 July 2006 03:13, David Golden wrote:
Tels wrote:
My idea was to build _only_ the database, and do it right, simple and
easy to use and then get everyone else to just use the DB instead of
fiddling with their own. (simple
reasons in tow Dbs
but this would be transparent for the user. There would be two interfaces:
# cpandb --query Math::BigInt
name: Math::Bigint
author: TELS
version: v1.77
latest: v1.77
# cpandb --update Math-BigInt-1.78.tar.gz
package Math::Bigint updated.
New entry:
name
Moin,
On Thursday 06 July 2006 11:40, David Cantrell wrote:
Tels wrote:
And, improve compatibility - with broken systems? OMG. :)
Yeah, you know, like when you comment this out before release :-)
# die(Sorry, you must have a computer to run this software\n)
# if($^O =~ /win32/i
on a compiler? :-)
Leaving of the signature of software distributions just because someone
isn't able to configure their system is so... so I fail the words for it.
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Andreas would be that stupid :)
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Most of the screen on a blog is blank for an imaginary
, they
download the package, run the tests and report the result back. Reports
are viewed on the server.
Is there any interest in such a package?
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On Thursday 08 June 2006 18:10, Chris Dolan wrote:
On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Tels wrote:
On my todo (well, wish list) is still a project that works rouhgly
like a
server/client model.
You upload a snapshot to the server, it notifies the clients, they
download the package
possible?
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. Then you
can have it display %, or not, in color or not, or in HTML or whatever.
The current screenscraping really really has problems everytime the output
changes.
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'),
_any_INIT_blocks = version-new('5.005'),
);
Would be good to find this out. ALso, the changelog mentions ignore
perlvar, could you please fix it?
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think that we all agree in principle, but everyone has different
thresholds.
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Moin,
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 06:57, Adam Kennedy wrote:
chromatic wrote:
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:32, Tels wrote:
There is also the point that supporting ancient Perls means you
can't use all the new, wonderfull features that were added to later
versions of Perl, like our, warnings
Moin,
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 20:46, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
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wrote:
Moin,
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 06:57, Adam Kennedy wrote:
chromatic wrote:
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:32, Tels wrote:
[snip]
I'm trying to figure
, since the introduction of 5.6, hardware has gotten faster and
cheaper, so the slower, but actually working Unicode processing in 5.8
might something you actually want :D
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. And if you have easily dependency information, you could even
easily build an auto-bundler, that throws you a .tar.gz containing the
module and every nec. dependency in one go.
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Moin,
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 01:35, Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni wrote:
Tels wrote:
Moin,
Hello Tels,
OTOH, who still runs pre-5.8.x code deserves what they get.
There are horrible bugs in older Perls, and I don't know why people
still
insist using insecure, buggy and feature
on said system when you didn't want to touch the system?
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I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat animals who
-different-but-renders-the-same and vice versa
variables to the testing matrix.
Still, functional tests are a must-have. Don't accept less.
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On Tuesday 28 March 2006 20:01, Fergal Daly wrote:
On 3/28/06, Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Moin,
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 17:14, Fergal Daly wrote:
I don't know of examples off-hand but I think in a way they're
[snipabit]
Also, the problem with php (assuming you use
that), but you
might look at the huge testsuite for the (moderately complex) Graph::Easy
with at least 300 pre-coded tests in ascii.t alone:
http://search.cpan.org/src/TELS/Graph-Easy-0.43/t/
Creating these tests takes quite a time, but then, to find a bug you have
to have a clear testcase
to test,
Well, duh! If you break one of the general rules of coding[0], you have to
live with the consequences.
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0: DMCADS! - Don't mix code and data, stupid!
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in favour :)
BTW, new and improved CPANTS is nearly finished. And sorry that I
wasn't commenting on a few threads lately, but there was a lot of @jobs
and $real_live stress which is mostely resolved now.
Cool! Waiting for it.
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installed and find the added
hassle annoying.
(I always use perl Makefile.PL but this is just a habit, with no
thought, I cannot remember having sit at a computer with more than one
Perl installed, ever)
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signature checking of CPAN.pm.
What does it add? (apart from hung blocky non-blocking connections to
the keyserver on Win32) :(
It adds the annoyance that a local test suddenly wants to connect to the
outside world. Thats fun, when the outside world is not available...
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On Saturday 18 March 2006 09:36, Tels wrote:
Moin,
On Saturday 18 March 2006 08:12, Adam Kennedy wrote:
From my understanding, one of the little idiosyncrasies of
Makefile.PL/Build.PL installers (including MI variants of both) is
that in order to make sure that the Makefile and Build use
() for modules and would be rather
useful on a larger scale.
That would require prying Schwern out from having fun to do actual
work! I feel a shaming coming on.
SHAME
SHAME
*Tels is using Shame on Michael Schwern*
*Tels is using Guilt on Michael Schwern*
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TeOops, now you know I play
number on the
current line if the cursor isn't on a number.
Wow. Thanx! (And I have used vim for years...)
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PPM infrastructure to be
able to upgrade core modules too.
And I really hope this can be done, like, this year.
The whole situation is getting rather frustrating, because the problem we
are trying to solve is something that shouldn't even be there.
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of a line. This can
be combined this with visual block mode, too. (You can draw ASCII
art tables that way very quickly.)
Dang, and I wrote a Perl module to do that...using all the time vim! :D
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that
would work for you?
Please drop me a note when it's done, since I also test quite a few
scripts and their options with homegrown solutions.
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code first.
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FAIL reports because the testing system crashed midway (or couldn't
unwrap a tar file or whatever) etc. and these things really should be
hidden from view or be deleted alltogether. I don't care how, but as a
developer/user, I don't want to see them.
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Moin,
On Saturday 11 March 2006 06:22, Adam Kennedy wrote:
Tels wrote:
Moin,
[snip]
Actually, that it worked on your system was intended behaviour. The bug
that was introduced meant that installation failed only for authors
(that is, that had Module::Install installed on their local system
,
but didn't work on others. So the bug might not affect everyone - but it
is bad and makes me re-consider using Module::Install only when
necessary.
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My glasses, my glasses. I cannot see without my glasses. - My
glasses, my glasses
Moin Offer Kaye (sorry, can't identify which part of your name which is
the one you are called by :-)
On Sunday 05 February 2006 07:59, Offer Kaye wrote:
On 1/28/06, Tels wrote:
Of course you must reliaze that, except for pure-perl modules and
very controlled environments, binary
that it
defies anyone to come up with platform-specific File::Spec code for it,
and more a gentle nudge on your part for someone to find the tuits to
do so?
Problaby just because the last guy running RISC OS has died 4 years ago.
SCNR :-)
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priority project I can work on it
only for half and hour daily - that's the reason I'm replying so
slow.
No problem we try to help, we will likely need more data from you.
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, I
would not do that.
So, it comes down to find a compromise. If I spend all day long arguing
install methodologies and fiddle with my Makefile.PLs, I am not writing
code. So less talk and more code from me :)
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and elsewhere that basing file
system behaviour on the OS isnt entirely safe, and even expecting the
same semantics in the a tree could be unsafe.
Like when part of it is an mounted CD-ROM (Hint: ROM :)
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not satisfied? Something in
the META.yml (e.g. Alien::*)? Send a specific string to STDERR? Send
a specific exit codes? Ugh. Other ideas?
Makefile.PL:
PREREQ_FAIL = 1,
does it nicely for me.
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new
ones :)
I'll switch over to it anyway, probably.
Funny thing is that I knew that Module::Build was to replace EU::MM, but
didn't know there was YetAnotherInstaller on the playing field :)
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On Sunday 29 January 2006 12:51, Tels wrote:
Moin,
On Sunday 29 January 2006 12:27, Adam Kennedy wrote:
As I mentioned early, the obvious upgrade path from EU:MM,
(apparently if you don't care about 5.004 at least) is to
Module::Install.
For example...
As far as I can tell
it, things like this.
What am I doing wrong? If you reply RTFM, I'll understand and will not
complain... :-)
Did you do:
binmode ':utf8', STDIN;
(or the equivalent) when reading UTF-8 from a file?
best wishes,
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What Perl version do you use? You may have to upgrade, because
, but it is only partly my fautl :)
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, this becomes a maintanance nightmare and I wish to be no
part of that :)
PS: I just read that Adam Kennedy wrote basically the same things. OOps.
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think the value derived
from such a metric will be worth the effort put into it.
That might be well true.
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output off-list.
I am still considering building something[0] that shows the
module-dependency as a graph to show how bad the problem has become.
Even simple modules like YAML seem to include everything and the
kitchen-sink :-(
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[0] As soon as I can extract the nec. data from
Moin,
On Friday 27 January 2006 17:42, Dominique Quatravaux wrote:
Tels wrote:
However, I am _really really_ starting to wonder whether we need a
Kwalitee rating based on *excessive usage of prerequisites*.
Doing work based on existing CPAN modules instead of reinventing the
wheel
Moin,
On Friday 27 January 2006 18:48, Chris Dolan wrote:
On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Tels wrote:
Basically something like CPAN, but with much less network traffic
and much
less hassle for a user. Bonus points if it gives you stuff pre-
compiled
for windows (all those ppl w/o
to see a dependency graph for $YOUR_FAVOURITE_MODULE, just
drop me a note and I add it.
Hope this is interesting to someone,
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looked like their own build system stumbling over it's
own legs :-/
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questions or comments, please don't hesitate to email me.
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Q: What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic, and a
dyslexic?
A: Someone who stays up all night
, it is not public mainly because it fails/hangs/takes
forever and is work-in-progress).
However, I have to actually read your article to find out what your
proposal solves (compared to me just running thetest once in a while :)
Hope that was usefull :)
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'
);
Try that...
Well... I don't know if your conjecture is true, but your suggestion
worked like a charm. Thanks! (and now I'm on my way to reorganize my
other distribution...)
Which will probably raise your kwality! :)
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created
Do you have timestamp/clock problems? IS your filesystem on an NFS mounted
volume?
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is usefull is open for debate, because at
least the license (Xgpl), your CPAN ID under authors (xtels), and
some generic keyword what your module (Xfoo) is about can probably
added even for the most minimal module.
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On Sunday 06 November 2005 16:10, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
* Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-06T09:44:14]
* has_signature: a SIGNATURE file exists, and is a valid signatur.
That seems reasonable, even though I dread signing all my dists. I
feel like
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On Sunday 06 November 2005 17:39, Ivan Tubert-Brohman wrote:
Tels wrote:
* has_pod_index: The POD contains at least one X keyword that
helps POD indexers. Whether only one is usefull is open for debate,
because at least the license (Xgpl), your
will suffice, but you could also always call:
$object-can();
if it is not defined, it would use UNIVERSAL::can, otherwise the overriden
one. Or do I miss something?
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was uploaded to CPAN, so Selenium
can now be driven by perl!
Anyways, check out the podcast at http://qapodcast.com
You mean you posted a link to an .mp3 file on a website, but hadn't had
the courtesy to include in the mail (so that we all have to actually load
the page to find it)?
Bah!
SCNR;)
Tels
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On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:45, Marcello wrote:
Tels ha scritto:
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I'm considering just using Test::WWW::Mechanize to do integration
testing through a Web server I run in the tests. This will be much
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On Wednesday 02 November 2005 18:02, Marcello wrote:
Tels ha scritto:
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While this works mostly fine for ASCII, the HTML/SVG is undertested
because the text/code output can change quite radically, while still
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On Wednesday 02 November 2005 18:36, Marcello wrote:
Tels ha scritto:
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Moin,
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 18:02, Marcello wrote:
Tels ha scritto:
[snip]
Might be, but I am not generting XML
/output, I need to fiddle back a
host of tests...
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Ok, a shiny copper piece to the first person who can
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Moin,
I haven't had any feedback on this message:
http://groups.google.com/group/perl.qa/msg/7daba8b786b58838?dmode=sourcehl=en
Did I miss it while I was away, or did nobody have to say anything about
it? :)
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On Monday 17 October 2005 16:45, Tels wrote:
Moin,
I haven't had any feedback on this message:
http://groups.google.com/group/perl.qa/msg/7daba8b786b58838?dmode=sourc
ehl=en
Aaargl, I mean of course this message:
http://groups.google.com/group
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On Saturday 24 September 2005 00:15, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 07:33:04PM +0200, Tels wrote:
Not yet. Good idea. The relevant code is in parse_file() in gen_graph
- it gets as option one .pm file and then does something
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Moin,
I updated the graph-perl-usage package, to be found on my site or CPAN:
http://bloodgate.com/perl/graph/usage/
http://search.cpan.org/~tels/
(0.07 is the latest version, please use together with 0.30 of Graph::Easy)
I incorporated one
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On Friday 23 September 2005 19:15, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 05:38:32PM +0200, Tels wrote:
If you have any ideas how to make this even more usefull, please
speak now. I will have limited email reading/writing capabilities
} = $self-{PREREQ_PM};
my $dump = YAML::Dump( $node );
$dump =~ s/^(.*)$/\t\$(NOECHO) \$(ECHO) $1 META.yml/gm;
$dump =~ s/META\.yml/META.yml/;
return metafile:\n$dump;
}
Needless code duplication, I know, but currently this is easier than to
try to fix MM myself...
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Tels
.:
http://cpants.perl.org/kwalitee/shortcoming?name=has_test_pod_coverage
doesn't show the remedy!?
Oh, and the 'Release Date' graph is working, thanks to pointers in the
right direction by Tels.
Hooray!
Except for some nits:
http://cpants.perl.org/graphs.html
Shows 2005 with 0 released
to add pod-tests, but not burden
users of my module with a dependency on yet-another-test-module. (If the
pod tests pass on my dev system, they are very likely to pass at the
users system, too. So no point in running the tests there always)
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a lot of code. That's Not Goodtm.
So I think a spin-off of Test::Harness which will facilitate doing that
is still in order.
Why not fix Test::Harness instead of re-inventing it entirely?
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silently raising my K rating to +inf :)
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It is true that some lawyers are dishonest, arrogant, greedy
into extra modules, but I think this
has gone way to far, especially the user will go through all this just so
that Random-Module-0.01 can run it's freaky test suite
/rant
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Moin,
On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:27, chromatic wrote:
On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 17:40 +0200, Tels wrote:
I am all for putting often used stuff into extra modules, but I think
this has gone way to far, especially the user will go through all
this just
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On Saturday 10 September 2005 21:00, chromatic wrote:
On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Tels wrote:
On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:27, chromatic wrote:
You can always just not run the tests and hope that things work.
If the tests don't add
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On Saturday 10 September 2005 21:20, Tels wrote:
Moin,
btw, here is an idea that occured to me:
There is a reason that not every little function in Test::More is it's own
module on CPAN: it makes it much easier to maintain and use them.
So maybe it would
-upload every so often to keep it fresh.
If I were to run CPANTS, I would drop that module like a hot potato at a
summer campfire.
Oh, and reduce everyone's K rating involved in the little prank by one :)
Tels
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-coverage most modules have, I'd say most people will
ignore CPANTS, too).
It is a tool, you are free to not use it. :)
best wishes,
Tels
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Does it mean I should ignore output like:
http://cpants.perl.org/author/TELS
Where it says I have less than 5 modules on CPAN and none of them has a K
rating?
:-)
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Tels
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thought cpantesters skip modules that list 5.8.7 when the testbox only
has 5.8.1 or so? OTOH, I sometimes get FAILs because a listed
prerequisite is not installed and the testsuit fails (no wonder).
Best wishes,
Tels
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with that and will continue to chug along. If not,
I will move it to the end and I would make a request to the M::S author
to have a command line switch added to indicate which POD style to use
(defaulting to whatever the auther wishes of course).
Which would be a good idea, nonetheless :)
Best wishes,
Tels
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Moin,
robert, you need to work on your reply-to address :)
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Tels
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...pornographic images stay in the brain forever. -- Mary Anne
it just cemented the status quo (namely,
everything under the sun gets patented left/right).
But IANAL nor a PA.
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Moin Randy,
On Sunday 10 July 2005 15:08, Randy W. Sims wrote:
Tels wrote:
graph-perl-usage is a little script that uses various
modules/programs to generate usage graphs of Perl package. That is,
it tracks which package uses or requires which and puts
for this
particular purpose. With this matter sorted, I've started on the code
and requisite tests to make the new stuff work.
Just for clarification: this means that:
is_deeply( sub { 1 + 2; }, sub { 3; } );
should/will pass because the subs compile to the same code?
Best wishes,
Tels
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wishes,
Tels
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The campaign should combat the messages of pornography by putting signs
on buses saying sex with children
module. Stick 'em in t/lib/ and put use lib
qw(t/lib) at the top of your tests.
Then you can say:
Uhm, is there any reason why you can't do this with Test::Simple, too?
*puzzled*
Best wishes,
Tels
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a few weeks ago.
I'd say toss in a prerequisite for Test::Simple and be done with it.
Anybody who is still using 5.6.0 with no additional modules does
something wrong.
Best wishes,
Tels
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Moin,
On Saturday 02 April 2005 17:14, Andy Lester wrote:
I'd say toss in a prerequisite for Test::Simple and be done with it.
Anybody who is still using 5.6.0 with no additional modules does
something wrong.
But it's the author's choice, not ours.
Of
word for non-native speakers - I am bound to misspell it
forever :)
Best wishes,
Tels
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