Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Guillaume Lelarge
Andrew Dunstan a écrit : Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: I'm very strongly in favor of having this documentation. However, I think it might make sense to put Contrib Modules as a section under either Reference or Appendices. Also, I don't think it's necessary to make each command option

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2007 20:18 schrieb Neil Conway: I wonder if it would be possible to keep the master version of the contrib docs as SGML, and generate plaintext READMEs from it during the documentation build. Using asciidoc you could do it the other way around. -- Peter Eisentraut

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2007 20:27 schrieb Andrew Dunstan: Also, let's recall what has previously been discussed for contrib, namely that we break it out into standard modules But that would also mean that the documentation system is somewhat modularized. That is, if I deinstall some module,

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2007 20:27 schrieb Andrew Dunstan: Also, let's recall what has previously been discussed for contrib, namely that we break it out into standard modules But that would also mean that the documentation system is somewhat modularized.

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to design a pluggable documentation system then go for it, but it's not required by what I understand is the consensus plan for contrib. I thought a large part of the desire was to improve the visibility of the contrib docs, ie, put the

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 15:13 schrieb Andrew Dunstan: What? No it doesn't. You have missed the key word in the sentence above: standard. The idea is that the docs will describe the *standard* modules, i.e. those that ship with the PostgreSQL core distribution (because they are currently

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 15:26 schrieb Tom Lane: I thought a large part of the desire was to improve the visibility of the contrib docs, ie, put the docs under the noses of people who have *not* installed or even heard of the modules.  So it's not in the docs unless you installed it

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-30 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 15:26 schrieb Tom Lane: I thought a large part of the desire was to improve the visibility of the contrib docs, ie, put the docs under the noses of people who have *not* installed or even heard of the modules. So it's not in the docs

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Nikolay Samokhvalov
There is a problem with line feeds for contrib/xml2: http://www.nan-tic.com/ftp/pgdoc/xml2.html As for idea itself, I find it very useful (besides usability improvements, it would help to promote Postgres advanced features). On 8/29/07, Albert Cervera i Areny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Josh Berkus
Albert, (crossed over to -docs, where it really belongs) I've been working on converting the current README files for all contrib modules into sgml and add it to the documentation. There are still some fixes to do but i'd like to have some feedback. Indeed, it wasn't agreed to have all if

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Decibel!
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 10:09:07AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Albert, (crossed over to -docs, where it really belongs) I've been working on converting the current README files for all contrib modules into sgml and add it to the documentation. There are still some fixes to do but i'd

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we go ahead with this, I'll commit to doing a contrib README cleanup so the doc system works better. Why wouldn't we just remove the README files altogether? I can't see maintaining duplicate sets of documentation. regards, tom

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we go ahead with this, I'll commit to doing a contrib README cleanup so the doc system works better. Why wouldn't we just remove the README files altogether? I can't see maintaining

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Neil Conway
On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 13:53 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Why wouldn't we just remove the README files altogether? I can't see maintaining duplicate sets of documentation. I agree that duplication is bad, but I think README files in the individual contrib directories is useful and worth keeping: if

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we go ahead with this, I'll commit to doing a contrib README cleanup so the doc system works better. Why wouldn't we just remove the README files altogether? I can't see maintaining duplicate sets of documentation.

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Mario Gonzalez
On 29/08/2007, Neil Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if it would be possible to keep the master version of the contrib docs as SGML, and generate plaintext READMEs from it during the documentation build. Hello Neil, I think I'm doing something similar but not with README files.

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Greg Smith
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Josh Berkus wrote: Guys, would it be out of the question to do this in 8.3? Please please? Are you suggesting to add an additional piece of work to the already behind schedule 8.3 timeline when there's already this idea floating around to overhaul the entire contrib

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 8/29/07, Mario Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/08/2007, Neil Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if it would be possible to keep the master version of the contrib docs as SGML, and generate plaintext READMEs from it during the documentation build. Hello Neil, I think

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On Aug 29, 2007, at 13:27 , Andrew Dunstan wrote: Also, let's recall what has previously been discussed for contrib, namely that we break it out into standard modules (think Perl standard modules) and other tools, and that we abandon the wholly misleading contrib name altogether. I really

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Josh Berkus
Greg, Are you suggesting to add an additional piece of work to the already behind schedule 8.3 timeline when there's already this idea floating around to overhaul the entire contrib structure in 8.4, which may very well make much of that work redundant? Albert's work is cool and all, but

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: Greg, Are you suggesting to add an additional piece of work to the already behind schedule 8.3 timeline when there's already this idea floating around to overhaul the entire contrib structure in 8.4, which may very well make much of that work redundant? Albert's work

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Brar Piening
Josh Berkus wrote: Having the contrib stuff in the main docs would remove one of the largest barriers to people knowing about the contrib features. Using PostgreSQL since Version 7.1.3 and reading this List since - I dont't know exactly but my current archives start in 2003 which was the

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Scott Marlowe escribió: Could the contrib README files couldn't be generated from the same source as the docs (i.e. sgml) and then put into the appropriate contrib/module/ directory. Sure they can. We already do that for INSTALL for example. -- Alvaro Herrera

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Greg Smith
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Josh Berkus wrote: Further, you know we don't finish the docs until beta. Ever. In that context, as long as the documentation cleanup doesn't slow the schedule for when beta starts I think it would be a great thing to slip into 8.3. In fact, if those are going

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 8/29/07, Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Marlowe escribió: Could the contrib README files couldn't be generated from the same source as the docs (i.e. sgml) and then put into the appropriate contrib/module/ directory. Sure they can. We already do that for INSTALL for

Re: [DOCS] [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Further, you know we don't finish the docs until beta. Ever. Right, working on docs is a standard beta-period activity. I think Greg is suggesting that right now is not the time to think about improving contrib docs --- right now is the time to keep our

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Albert Cervera i Areny
I'm very strongly in favor of having this documentation. However, I think it might make sense to put Contrib Modules as a section under either Reference or Appendices. Also, I don't think it's necessary to make each command option a separate subchapter, but I can see how that would be hard

Re: [HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-29 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: I'm very strongly in favor of having this documentation. However, I think it might make sense to put Contrib Modules as a section under either Reference or Appendices. Also, I don't think it's necessary to make each command option a separate subchapter, but I

[HACKERS] Contrib modules documentation online

2007-08-28 Thread Albert Cervera i Areny
I've been working on converting the current README files for all contrib modules into sgml and add it to the documentation. There are still some fixes to do but i'd like to have some feedback. Indeed, it wasn't agreed to have all if any of the modules together with the core documentation. You