Kevin Brown wrote:
Devrim G?ND?Z wrote:
I do NOT like hearing about MySQL in this (these) list(s).
PostgreSQL is not in the same category with MySQL. MySQL is for
*dummies*, not database admins. I do not even call it a database. I
have never forgotten my data loss 2,5 years ago; when
You can't sell into the ISP appliance market until there's something as
ubiquitous as PHPMyAdmin for PostgreSQL. And note that the ISP
appliance
market only cares about this in a very indirect way. They don't actually
use
the database; their /customers/ do. And their customers are likely to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Brown wrote:
Simply saying MySQL has better marketing isn't enough. It's too
simple an answer and obscures some issues that should probably be
addressed.
I think it /is/ a significant factor, the point being that the MySQL company
has been quite activist
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development group and, to some
Hi,
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 13:26, mlw wrote:
MySQL is an appalling database, but people use it, a lot! Why? Because
they really market it. They push it. They craft deceptive benchmarks
which show it is better. PostgreSQL doesn't even need to be deceptive.
snip
Furthermore, I think it
- Original Message -
From: Devrim GÜNDÜZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PostgreSQL-development [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
Also, I have something to say about win32 port.
I'm a Linux user. I'm
Hi,
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 15:31, Igor Georgiev wrote:
snip
In HQ they choose windows nt (i don't comment how smart is this decision),
pay a lot of money to mr.Gates and now what - we say PostgreSQL is great ,
but ..
( and i have personal contacts with their sysadmins i don't believe they
Devrim G?ND?Z wrote:
I do NOT like hearing about MySQL in this (these) list(s).
PostgreSQL is not in the same category with MySQL. MySQL is for
*dummies*, not database admins. I do not even call it a database. I
have never forgotten my data loss 2,5 years ago; when I used MySQL for
just 2
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Iavor Raytchev wrote:
I actually do not understand why is the whole cry - why not somebody who
has REALLY the marketing in his/her heart - does not make an open source
amazingly beautiful and powerful web site. You do not have to ask Bruce
for that. You get BRICOLAGE -
Iavor Raytchev wrote:
I actually do not understand why is the whole cry - why not somebody who
has REALLY the marketing in his/her heart - does not make an open source
amazingly beautiful and powerful web site. You do not have to ask Bruce
for that. You get BRICOLAGE - it is free, and it is
Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2002 05:22 schrieb Lamar Owen:
[cc: list trimmed]
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 22:52, Philip Warner wrote:
At 05:48 PM 4/12/2002 -0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
Lack of marketing is one of Postgres's major problems.
What are the consequences of the
Hi Tommi,
Tommi Maekitalo wrote:
snip
Hi,
there are lots of sites talking about postgresql. But if someone hear about
postgresql he sure tries www.postgresql.org. There he just get a list of
mirrors. Not really a good start. But worse: there is no links to gborg,
advocacy, techdocs, ...
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
Well, my previous employer uses postgresql, but they were under constant
assault from their clients to use oracle or db2. Technically there was no
On 9 Dec 2002 at 1:20, Kevin Brown wrote:
2. They need 24x7 support, and are convinced that they'll get better
support for Oracle or DB2 than anything else.
I have experienced what oracle support means for 24x7. I wouldn't even wish
that penalty for my worst enemy.
I can tell a story
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Josh Berkus wrote:
But once Postgres has been packaged, we need to have a group making a
loud enough noise to get the world to pay attention. I'm not asking
everyone on this list to participate, but I am asking everyone on this
list to recognize the utility of the
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:29:55 -0500, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Josh Berkus wrote:
But once Postgres has been packaged, we need to have a group making a
loud enough noise to get the world to pay attention. I'm not asking
everyone on this list to participate, but I am asking
Vince Vielhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) They're marketing to those that are already sold on it.
I think the upshot of the prior discussion was that the outside press
release shouldn't have been used as the release announcement for the
existing mailing lists. Fine, they made a one-time
Vince,
Here are my main problems with it.
1) They're marketing to those that are already sold on it.
First off ... not they, you. I'm a member of Advocacy; so are
Robert, Justin, Neil, Marc, Bruce and several other members of this
list. The advocacy group is not some privately sponsored
Robert Treat writes:
I think we've already shown why it doesn't hurt to market to the
converted. I'll add that if you compare the 7.2 press release with the
7.3 press release, you'll see none of the technical content was removed.
Compare the 7.3 release notes, written for the most part by
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Thomas O'Connell wrote:
I was surprised, for instance, to receive a non-list email announcing
the release of the software but then to have to wait for days actually
to see it show up on the official (or even the advocacy) website in a
news item. Even now it is not listed
On Monday 09 December 2002 12:50, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Compare the 7.3 release notes, written for the most part by Bruce
Momjian and revised by a couple of other developers, to the press
release, written by people who were obviously ill-informed.
If people want to see the details, let them
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robert Treat writes:
I think we've already shown why it doesn't hurt to market to the
converted. I'll add that if you compare the 7.2 press release with the
7.3 press release, you'll see none of the technical content was removed.
Compare the
Jason Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Compare the 7.3 release notes, written for the most part by Bruce
Momjian and revised by a couple of other developers, to the press
release, written by people who were obviously ill-informed.
So does this mean
Josh Berkus writes:
I can definitely understand someone not wanting to *participate* in
marketing/advocacy of PostgreSQL. However, your being opposed to
promoting PostgreSQL as an organized activity *at all* baffles me. How
can you be against promoting PostgreSQL?
I'm not against promoting
Peter,
I can definitely understand someone not wanting to *participate* in
marketing/advocacy of PostgreSQL. However, your being opposed to
promoting PostgreSQL as an organized activity *at all* baffles me. How
can you be against promoting PostgreSQL?
I'm not against promoting
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
I tend to agree with Peter. Not that we don't need a marketing
presence; we do (I think Great Bridge's marketing efforts are sorely
missed). But the point he is making is that the pgsql mailing lists go
to people who are generally unimpressed by marketing
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
s'alright, the 'fiefdoms' are about to be nuked :)
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the work
on the sites.
This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured.
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
snip
Press release:
- Supports data in many international characters sets (UNICODE, EUC_JP,
EUC_CN, EUC_KR, JOHAB, EUC_TW, ISO 8859-1 ECMA-94, KOI8, WIN1256, etc...)
That is just plain wrong. Support for various character sets is years
old.
Sure is.
Peter, Robert, Jason, Vince, Justin, et al.:
First off, I'd like to ask everyone to CUT IT OUT WITH THE $^*^@** FLAMING,
ALREADY! People are *attacking* each other instead of disagreeing.
Several posters seem to be taking to opportunity to say everything in the
most insulting way possible,
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First off, I'd like to ask everyone to CUT IT OUT WITH THE $^*^@** FLAMING,
ALREADY! People are *attacking* each other instead of disagreeing.
Amen. This was first time 'round for the advocacy group, and it's not
surprising that there are some things
Tom Lane wrote:
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First off, I'd like to ask everyone to CUT IT OUT WITH THE $^*^@** FLAMING,
ALREADY! People are *attacking* each other instead of disagreeing.
Amen. This was first time 'round for the advocacy group, and it's not
surprising that
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
Well, my previous employer uses postgresql, but they were under constant
assault from their clients to use oracle or db2. Technically there was no
reason to switch, but if your choice
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Because of this taken from the above quoted text:
they were under constant assault from their clients to use oracle or db2
Last I looked neither Oracle or DB2 were open source, but they both just
happen to be commercial and I don't see mysql mentioned.
And ?
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Because of this taken from the above quoted text:
they were under constant assault from their clients to use oracle or db2
Last I looked neither Oracle or DB2 were open source, but they both just
happen to be commercial
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Because of this taken from the above quoted text:
they were under constant assault from their clients to use oracle or db2
Last I looked neither Oracle or DB2 were open source, but they both just
happen
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Because of this taken from the above quoted text:
they were under constant assault from their clients to use oracle or db2
Last I looked neither Oracle or
On 7 Dec 2002, Rod Taylor wrote:
What too many people fail to realize is that in a commercial environment
many companies want another company to point the finger at in case of
disaster. Sybase failed, or HP failed, or IBM failed, or Microsoft
failed. They feel they can do something
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 20:52, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Why do you say that?
Because of this taken from the above quoted text:
they were under constant assault from their clients to use oracle or db2
Last I looked neither Oracle or DB2 were open source, but they both just
happen to be
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
That's what I thought. You have no argument so your just typing.
Hi Vince,
Was more hoping you'd care to share your basis for stating Robert's
employers clients wanted a commercial database, after he mentioned
specifically DB2 and Oracle. Knowing one of the obvious
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
That's what I thought. You have no argument so your just typing.
Hi Vince,
Was more hoping you'd care to share your basis for stating Robert's
employers clients wanted a commercial database, after he mentioned
On 8 Dec 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote:
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 20:52, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Why do you say that?
Because of this taken from the above quoted text:
they were under constant assault from their clients to use oracle or db2
Last I looked neither Oracle or DB2 were open
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 22:27, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 8 Dec 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote:
If something is familiar, it feels safe. We need to make PostgreSQL
familiar. That's why we need marketing.
Then why wasn't mysql in the list? It's familiar.
To PHBs?
MySQL doesn't have anything
Oliver Elphick wrote:
If we want people to use PostgreSQL in preference to anything else, we
have to make it known. That is marketing. If we believe we have a good
product we need to say so and say why and how it's better, cheaper and
purer than anything else. If there's no good marketing,
On 8 Dec 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote:
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 22:27, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 8 Dec 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote:
If something is familiar, it feels safe. We need to make PostgreSQL
familiar. That's why we need marketing.
Then why wasn't mysql in the list? It's
On Sunday 08 December 2002 06:14 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 8 Dec 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote:
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 22:27, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 8 Dec 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote:
If something is familiar, it feels safe. We need to make PostgreSQL
familiar. That's why we need
On Saturday 07 December 2002 11:10 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the
work on the sites.
This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
On Saturday 07 December 2002 11:10 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the
work on the sites.
This is
On Sunday 08 December 2002 11:32 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Exactly, and pgsql-www is the wrong goddam list! I've told you over
and over again. pgsql-www is the list that the group leaders use to
collaborate.
And a fine job of collaboration you're doing *obviously*
Over and over again we
Vince, Peter:
I can definitely understand someone not wanting to *participate* in
marketing/advocacy of PostgreSQL. However, your being opposed to
promoting PostgreSQL as an organized activity *at all* baffles me. How
can you be against promoting PostgreSQL? Don't you want poeple to use
your
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is
Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
Well, my previous employer uses postgresql, but they were under constant
assault from their clients to use oracle or db2. Technically there was no
reason to switch, but if your choice is switch databases or go out of
business,
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Brian Knox wrote:
Speaking from the perspective of a long time postgresql user, who
currently has several very mission critical applications using postgresql
on the back end, at a very large company...
I can say the one consequence of the problem that I have run into
What too many people fail to realize is that in a commercial environment
many companies want another company to point the finger at in case of
disaster. Sybase failed, or HP failed, or IBM failed, or Microsoft
failed. They feel they can do something about that. If they lose a
few million
On 5 Dec 2002, Robert Treat wrote:
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the work
on the sites.
This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured. We have 4
different mailing lists for website development
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Josh Berkus wrote:
Dave,
BTW, we do coordinate with the Website development group
When did that happen then? I think I must have blinked :-)
Marc and Justin are periodically keeping the Advocacy group informed
of progress on wwwdevel, and we were asked to test
As someone who exists mainly as an active user (and part-time
advocate/documentation tweaker), I have found the release of PostgreSQL
7.3 to be disappointing. The ensuing pseudo-flamewar on the various
lists has been similarly disappointing.
I was surprised, for instance, to receive a non-list
Dave,
BTW, we do coordinate with the Website development group
When did that happen then? I think I must have blinked :-)
Marc and Justin are periodically keeping the Advocacy group informed
of progress on wwwdevel, and we were asked to test it before. Vince
asked us for suggestions,
-Original Message-
From: Josh Berkus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 December 2002 17:45
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
Dave,
BTW, we do coordinate with the Website development group
When did
-Original Message-
From: Lamar Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 December 2002 04:23
To: PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
However, I seriously question the need in the long term for
our sites
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is unfortunate that it is almost impossible to have a marketing group
without there being some wilful blinders involved; it's vital for there to be
some technical involvement in the marketing group to pop whatever bubbles they
grow that are
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Lamar Owen wrote:
However, I seriously question the need in the long term for our sites to be as
fractured as they are. Good grief! We've got advocacy.postgresql.org,
techdocs.postgresql.org, odbc.postgresql.org, gborg.postgresql.org,
developer.postgresql.org,
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Scott Lamb wrote:
Is this list the appropriate place to discuss the websites? or should I
take it to -advocacy? My impression here is that the two sites are
maintained separately and the people involved haven't interacted very
much. Is that accurate or no?
Expect some
-Original Message-
From: Scott Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 December 2002 06:37
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group
I'm volunteering to do work here. I could at the very least
go through
the sites and make
On Thursday 05 December 2002 09:37, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Lamar Owen wrote:
However, I seriously question the need in the long term for our sites to
be as fractured as they are. Good grief! We've got
note that altho they are seperate URLs, the end result is going to
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Philip Warner wrote:
At 05:48 PM 4/12/2002 -0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
Lack of marketing is one of Postgres's major problems.
What are the consequences of the problem?
Well, I'd have to say the major one is a difficult in increasing our user
base, as ppl like
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:28, Dave Page wrote:
www is a closed group consisting of a few of us who actually do the work
on the sites.
This is one of the primary reasons the sites are so fractured. We have 4
different mailing lists for website development (and I'm not counting
advocacy as one of
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is unfortunate that it is almost impossible to have a marketing group
without there being some wilful blinders involved; it's vital for there to be
some technical involvement in the marketing group to pop whatever
At 12:12 AM 5/12/2002 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
What are the consequences of the problem?
One consequence that probably hits home for everyone here is it makes it
extremely hard to make a living working with postgresql.
...
You can't win marketshare on technology alone
I am happy with
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:26:13 -0500, Philip Warner wrote:
At 12:12 AM 5/12/2002 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
I am happy with increasing market share so long a development is not
distorted or current users inconvenienced. We have seen the latter with
the misplaced announcements.
It seems to me
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
Folks,
We have a marketing group: PGSQL-ADVOCACY. Our problem is that we
don't have enough volunteers.
For example, last week Robert and Justin had job crises, and I left for
the mountains for Thanksgiving. As a result Marc had to pitch in at
the last minute to try to get some kind of release
-Original Message-
From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 03 December 2002 23:34
To: Justin Clift
Cc: Dave Page; Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
Development Group Announces
Justin
Dave Page wrote:
snip
Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?
Good point, and worth thinking about then.
I was sort of under the impression that the site reshuffle was happening
in a top down manner
-Original Message-
From: Justin Clift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 December 2002 10:59
To: Dave Page
Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian;
PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
Development Group Announces
I'll
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*
I understood it was intentional so comments
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*
And how should we
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
Dave Page wrote:
snip
I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?
Of
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Justin Clift writes:
Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
thing I need.
And I'll pre-empt *that* with
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
snip
So as to not recreate the wheel, or, at least, get the wheel properly
rolling, can we get that download page redirected to the one that does
list the mirrors? :)
Yep.
Would the best way to do this be changing the wording to say something like:
PostgreSQL can be
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
And I'll pre-empt *that* with the volume of email isn't
changing, only the ability to filter that email ... the
purpose of the -advocacy list is to focus on how to better
market the software ... not through stuff like advertising,
but how do we
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Justin Clift writes:
Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.
Why don't we just shut
-Original Message-
From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 December 2002 13:56
To: Dave Page
Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Justin Clift; Bruce Momjian;
PostgreSQL-development
Subject: RE: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
Development Group Announces
On Wed
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:
I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the
Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
thing I need.
I'm not subscribed to -advocacy
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
accomplishments or promote them? If you're trying to hide them like in
this announcement you may want to try using
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
I have a new design for it, now it's just getting the time to implement
it. It's easy to add to and looks alot nicer.
Cool, I think the only beef I ever had with it was the way the results
were presented, but loved teh whole annotated aspects ...
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
thing
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
accomplishments or promote them? If you're trying to hide them like in
this announcement
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
accomplishments or promote them? If you're
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with
a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development group and, to some extent, by the existing user base. The
last thing
[cc: list trimmed]
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 22:52, Philip Warner wrote:
At 05:48 PM 4/12/2002 -0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
Lack of marketing is one of Postgres's major problems.
What are the consequences of the problem?
Actually, lack of easy upgrading is one of PostgreSQL's
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
That wasn't stronger, it was fluffier. It was full of buzzwords that
were masking the actual content. Are you trying to hide the
accomplishments or promote them? If you're
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development group and, to some extent, by the existing user base.
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Marc G. Fournier writes:
It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...
Consider that a failed experiment. PostgreSQL is driven by the
development group and, to some
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:54:37 -0500, Philip Warner wrote:
At 05:48 PM 4/12/2002 -0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
Lack of marketing is one of Postgres's major problems.
What are the consequences of the problem?
One consequence that probably hits home for everyone here is it makes it
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