Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:31:03PM -0800, Sailesh Krishnamurthy wrote:
>
> > Another thing I toyed with was having an implementation of a
> > Tid-List-Fetch .. sorting a TID-list from an index and fetching the
> > records of the relation off the sorted
"Dann Corbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I have all of the above database systems installed on the Windows 2000
> > > machine I am typing this message from. DB/2 7.1
> > > Oracle 8.1.7 and 9.2.0.5
> > > MySQL 4.0.12
> > > Sybase Adaptive Server 12.0
> > > Informix Dynamic Server 9.2
> > >
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:31:03PM -0800, Sailesh Krishnamurthy wrote:
> Another thing I toyed with was having an implementation of a
> Tid-List-Fetch .. sorting a TID-list from an index and fetching the
> records of the relation off the sorted list for better IO
> performance. AFAICT something li
> "Chris" == Christopher Kings-Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> PostgreSQL most definitely works great on Solaris x86 ! At UC
>> Berkeley, we have our undergraduate students hack on the
>> internals of PostgreSQL in the upper-division "Introduction to
>> Database Systems"
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > HOWEVER, a release cycle of *less than 6 months* would kill the advocacy vols
> > if we wanted the same level of publicity.
> >
> > I do support the idea of "dev" releases. For example, if there was a "dev"
> > release of PG+ARC as soon as
PostgreSQL most definitely works great on Solaris x86 !
At UC Berkeley, we have our undergraduate students hack on the
internals of PostgreSQL in the upper-division "Introduction to
Database Systems" class ..
http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs186/
Hi Sailesh,
You know what would be kind of coo
HOWEVER, a release cycle of *less than 6 months* would kill the advocacy vols
if we wanted the same level of publicity.
I do support the idea of "dev" releases. For example, if there was a "dev"
release of PG+ARC as soon as Jan is done with it, I have one client would
would be willing to test
Will adding the logical attribute number break all of the external
tools? pg_dump, etc are all dependent on attnum now?
Would it be possible to keep the meaning of attnum the same externally
and add another column internally to represent the physical number?
Interesting idea. It would require a
Robert Treat wrote:
> > >Check the archives on this, as its been hashed out already once at least
> > >... I think the big issue/problem is that nobody seems able (or wants) to
> > >come up with a script that could be setup in cron on machines to do this
> > >... something simple that would dump th
Hi list,
First of all, many thanks to everyone who contributed to 7.4 - I'm just
starting to rebuild parts of our CMS to make use of some of the new
features - very welcome indeed.
Whilst looking through the new information_schema objects in the DB, and
browsing the documentation for these objec
> "Mike" == Mike Mascari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mike> Robert Treat wrote:
>> http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs186/hwk0/index.html
>>
>> Are these screenshots of PgAccess on Mac OSX?
Yup .. that's from Joe Hellerstein, who was the instructor in the
Spring when I was a
I've been looking all over but I can't seem to see a company that is
providing *up-to-date* postgresql support and provides their own
supported binaries. Am I barking up the wrong tree entirely here?
TIA
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On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 14:36, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Maybe some sort of automated distributed build farm would be a good
> >>idea. Check out http://build.samba.org/about.html to see how samba does
> >>it (muc
Robert Treat wrote:
> http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs186/hwk0/index.html
>
> Are these screenshots of PgAccess on Mac OSX?
It's pretty sad that "Mike Stonebraker" only has a salary of $15,000. ;-)
I also thought this SIGMOD article was a nice read:
http://www.acm.org/sigmod/record/issue
http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs186/hwk0/index.html
Are these screenshots of PgAccess on Mac OSX?
Robert Treat
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:07, Sailesh Krishnamurthy wrote:
>
> PostgreSQL most definitely works great on Solaris x86 !
>
> At UC Berkeley, we have our undergraduate students hack
Hallo,
I'm trying to call plpgsql functions from c functions directly through
the Oid, but i have a problem: it seems that the plpgsql interpreter
calls SPI_connect and fails even if the caller has already
spi-connected. I am working on recursive functions in c and so i can not
call SPI_finish
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 14:33, James Rogers wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Is there any pre-existing protocol for a company to pay for specific
> features to be added to PostgreSQL?
There are several people who do this type of work (Neil, Joe, David, the
folks are Command Prompt Inc., etc.).
Personally, I
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:14:34, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Would you please check CVS HEAD. Tom has just applied the patch fix
> this and we could use more testers.
CVS HEAD compiles fine and all regression tests pass on my Sol 2.8 and 2.9
boxes.
-derek
Derek Morr
GPG public key: http://marion02.mari
Thank you very much, for help.
The problem was, that the server and client wasn't the same version.
"Bruno Wolff III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 14:04:56 +0200,
> Petro Pelekh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > So my database doesn't ha
Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote:
1. Open WAL files with O_SYNC|O_DIRECT or O_SYNC(Not sure if
Without grouping WAL writes that does not fly. Iff however such grouping
is implemented that should deliver optimal performance. I don't think flushing
WAL to the OS early (before a tx commits) is necess
Hannu Krosing wrote:
Tom Lane kirjutas E, 17.11.2003 kell 02:08:
Neil Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hmmm... I agree this behavior isn't ideal, although I can see the case
for viewing this as a mistake by the application developer: they are
assuming that they know exactly when transactions b
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:36:11AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
> > 0. As you say, make it known to the public. Have people test their
> >in-development applications using a beta.
>
> and how do you propose we do that? I think this is the h
On 2003.11.17 14:48:08 -0500, Rod Taylor wrote:
> The PostgreSQL group has recently had a patch submitted with a snippet
> of code from FreeBSDs src/bin/mkdir/mkdir.c.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/bin/mkdir/mkdir.c?annotate=1.27
>
> Is this intentionally under the 4 clause licens
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > I am ready to work with anyone to make fork/exec happen. It requires we
> >
> >find out what globals are being set by the postmaster, and have the
> >child run those same routines. I can show you examples of what I have
> >done and walk you throu
Mr. Rogers,
> Is there any pre-existing protocol for a company to pay for specific
> features to be added to PostgreSQL?
> Are other people/companies already doing this, either officially or
> unofficially, and what is the general protocol for going about doing
> this?
Other companies are doing
Hi folks,
Is there any pre-existing protocol for a company to pay for specific
features to be added to PostgreSQL?
I've gotten full executive buy-in to the idea that it would be far
cheaper to sponsor and pay for people to develop the enterprise features
we need in Postgres than to do an Oracle m
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Maybe some sort of automated distributed build farm would be a good
idea. Check out http://build.samba.org/about.html to see how samba does
it (much lighter than the Mozilla tinderbox approach).
We wouldn't need to be as intens
> -Original Message-
> From: ow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Dann Corbit; Christopher Kings-Lynne; Greg Stark
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-advocacy] Not 7.5, but 8.0 ?
>
>
>
> --- Dann Corbit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
--- Dann Corbit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have all of the above database systems installed on the Windows 2000
> machine I am typing this message from.
> DB/2 7.1
> Oracle 8.1.7 and 9.2.0.5
> MySQL 4.0.12
> Sybase Adaptive Server 12.0
> Informix Dynamic Server 9.2
> (Also SapDB, Firebird serv
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> >Guys,
> >
> >I agree with Neil ... it's not the length of the development part of the
> >cycle, it's the length of the beta testing.
> >
> >I do think an online bug tracker (bugzilla or whatever) would help. I also
> >think tha
> -Original Message-
> From: ow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:39 AM
> To: Dann Corbit; Christopher Kings-Lynne; Greg Stark
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [HACKERS] [pgsql-advocacy] Not 7.5, but 8.0 ?
>
>
> --- Dann Corbit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
Josh Berkus wrote:
Guys,
I agree with Neil ... it's not the length of the development part of the
cycle, it's the length of the beta testing.
I do think an online bug tracker (bugzilla or whatever) would help. I also
think that having a person in charge of "testing" would help as well ... no
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ow) wrote:
> Have *never* seen ppl running Oracle or Sybase on Windows.
I haven't seen Sybase on Windows (only barely have seen it anywhere,
fitting with the comment made that it hides in the lucrative financial
industry); I _have_ se
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:42:31AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> (Oddly enough, my problem in doing more testing myself is external to
> PostgreSQL; most of our apps are PHP apps and you can't compile PHP against
> two different versions of PostgreSQL on the same server. Maybe with User
> Mode
PostgreSQL most definitely works great on Solaris x86 !
At UC Berkeley, we have our undergraduate students hack on the
internals of PostgreSQL in the upper-division "Introduction to
Database Systems" class ..
http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs186/
The "official" platform is Solaris x86 - tha
Guys,
I agree with Neil ... it's not the length of the development part of the
cycle, it's the length of the beta testing.
I do think an online bug tracker (bugzilla or whatever) would help. I also
think that having a person in charge of "testing" would help as well ... no
biggie, just someo
I think they are actually trying to pull it out of the dumpster,
whether from desperation of marketing acumen no one knows. I think
they've gone back to the 'if we can get them hooked on a dual opteron
box, we can sell them some massive E1' or whatever.
On Nov 18, 2003, at 11:32 AM, Chris
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:24:25AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Well, based on the feedback we're getting from the 7.4 release, the #1 issue
> for non-postgresql users who are interested enough to post to message boards
> is "Where is the Windows Port?" This gets mentioned roughly 10 times as
Marek,
> Maybe it's a good time to think about PostgreSQL's marketing strategy &
> identity. Maybe this great DBMS should be changed in all areas - not
> only in technical related fields ?
If your interest is "marketing" PostgreSQL, please join the Advocacy list.
That goes for anyone on this lis
Peter,
Well, based on the feedback we're getting from the 7.4 release, the #1 issue
for non-postgresql users who are interested enough to post to message boards
is "Where is the Windows Port?" This gets mentioned roughly 10 times as
often as any other potential feature.
So the Windows port
In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoper
Smiga) transmitted:
> Does anyone know if there is going to be a port to Solaris 9 x86 in
> the near future. What is the decission to develop on this platform
> since Sun is pushing Solaris x86 harder than ever.
I
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 08:39:29AM -0800, ow wrote:
>
> Have *never* seen ppl running Oracle or Sybase on Windows.
I _have_ certainly seen plenty of people running Oracle on Windows.
They weren't necessarily happy, of course, but people do it all the
time.
As for Sybase, you don't see that bec
--- Rocco Altier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, ow wrote:
>
> > Have *never* seen ppl running Oracle or Sybase on Windows.
>
> I can't speak for Oracle, but Sybase on Windows is definitely a real
> thing. If you have to deal with developing for their iAnywhere product
iAnywh
ow wrote:
Have *never* seen ppl running Oracle or Sybase on Windows. Not sure about DB/2
or Informix, never worked with them, but I'd suspect the picture is the same.
Then you need to get out more. I have seen Oracle, Sybase, DB2 (and
probably Informix, I forget) all running on Windows in a numbe
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, ow wrote:
> Have *never* seen ppl running Oracle or Sybase on Windows.
I can't speak for Oracle, but Sybase on Windows is definitely a real
thing. If you have to deal with developing for their iAnywhere product (a
remote replication solution for PocketPC applications), Windo
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Christoper Smiga wrote:
> All:
>
> Does anyone know if there is going to be a port to Solaris 9 x86 in the
> near future. What is the decission to develop on this platform since Sun
> is pushing Solaris x86 harder than ever.
Doesn't it work? I've run on Solaris 8 x86 extensi
--- Dann Corbit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which feature is requested more than that?
Not sure how often features are requested and by whom. However, if you take a
look at the TODO list, you'll find plenty of stuff more important than win32
port.
> Of the following (which includes every signifi
All:
Does anyone know if there is going to be a port to Solaris 9 x86 in the
near future. What is the decission to develop on this platform since Sun
is pushing Solaris x86 harder than ever.
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System Engineer (Sun SCSA)
N2 Broadband Network Operations
Phone: 888-671-1268 (NO
Bruce Momjian wrote:
I am ready to work with anyone to make fork/exec happen. It requires we
find out what globals are being set by the postmaster, and have the
child run those same routines. I can show you examples of what I have
done and walk you through areas that need work. If you look at t
Claudio Natoli wrote:
>
>
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > > Speaking of which, any ETA on this? Bruce? If anyone from
> > core can indicate
> > > how they'd like this architected (from the perspective of code
> > > rearrangement), I'm willing to have a crack at this.
> >
> > http://momjian.po
Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Speaking of which, any ETA on this? Bruce? If anyone from
> core can indicate
> > how they'd like this architected (from the perspective of code
> > rearrangement), I'm willing to have a crack at this.
>
> http://momjian.postgresql.org/main/writings/pgsql/win32.h
Claudio Natoli wrote:
>
> Andrew Dunstan wrote:
>
> > Here's the situation as I see it:
> > . there have been lots of requests for a native Win32 port
> > . this is important to some people and not important to others
> > . the decision has long ago been made to do it, and some work
> > has been
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
> > 0. As you say, make it known to the public. Have people test their
> >in-development applications using a beta.
>
> and how do you propose we do that? I think this is the hard part ...
> other then the first beta,
Uz.ytkownik Jean-Michel POURE napisa?:
For me, this makes 60% of the market at least.
A 1% to 60% is not a small difference, it is a real gap.
Don't forget that success isn't always connected with technical things
(very good example is MySQL :-)) - PostgreSQL needs a good marketing,
clear strate
Dave Cramer wrote:
> Will adding the logical attribute number break all of the external
> tools? pg_dump, etc are all dependent on attnum now?
>
> Would it be possible to keep the meaning of attnum the same externally
> and add another column internally to represent the physical number?
Interesti
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> Here's the situation as I see it:
> . there have been lots of requests for a native Win32 port
> . this is important to some people and not important to others
> . the decision has long ago been made to do it, and some work
> has been done, and more is being done
>
> Isn
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:33:41PM +0100, Tommi Maekitalo wrote:
> ...
> >
> > Does anyone have a comparison of how many lines of code were added in
> > this release compared to previous?
> >
> 7.2.4: 456204 lines of code in 1021 files
> 7.3.4: 480491 lines of code in 1012 files
> 7.4: 554567 lines
Will adding the logical attribute number break all of the external
tools? pg_dump, etc are all dependent on attnum now?
Would it be possible to keep the meaning of attnum the same externally
and add another column internally to represent the physical number?
Dave
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> > Claudio Natoli wrote:
Claudio Natoli wrote nothing of the sort :-P
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> Does anyone have a comparison of how many lines of code were added in
> this release compared to previous?
>
7.2.4: 456204 lines of code in 1021 files
7.3.4: 480491 lines of code in 1012 files
7.4: 554567 lines of code in 1128 files (boah!)
I used a fresh extracted source-directory and exe
Le Mardi 18 Novembre 2003 06:21, Greg Stark a écrit :
> Oh, and yeah, a win32 port. Yay, another OS port. Postgres runs on dozens
> of OSes already. What's so exciting about one more? Even if it is a
> pathologically hard OS to port to. Just because it was hard doesn't mean
> it's useful.
Dear Gre
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 20:08:41 -0500,
Neil Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The time from release 7.3 to release 7.4 was 355 days, an all-time
> > high. We really need to shorten that.
>
> Why is that?
End users will find it useful.
I star
Uz.ytkownik Andrew Dunstan napisa?:
Claudio Natoli wrote:
As for release numbering, ISTM that is not fundamentally very important.
At my former company we had code names for branches and decided release
names/numbers near release time in accordance with marketing
requirements. Let's not get h
Claudio Natoli wrote:
I'm sorry if I'm being alow here - is there any problem with running a
production server on cygwin's postgresql? Is the cygwin port of lesser
quality, or otherwise inferior?
Performance, performance, perfomance... and perfomance... it is (almost)
always worse per
> > I'm sorry if I'm being alow here - is there any problem with running a
> > production server on cygwin's postgresql? Is the cygwin port of lesser
> > quality, or otherwise inferior?
>
> Performance, performance, perfomance... and perfomance... it is (almost)
> always worse perfomance when
Użytkownik Shachar Shemesh napisał:
Dave Page wrote:
Right, but not having the luxury of time travel (wasn't that removed in
Postgres95? ;-) ) we can only go by what the majority think. We won't
know if it's actually right unless we try it.
We could run a survey saying 'would you use PostgreSQL o
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
I'm sorry if I'm being alow here
alow->slow
Just wanted to avoid confusion.
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Dave Page wrote:
Right, but not having the luxury of time travel (wasn't that removed in
Postgres95? ;-) ) we can only go by what the majority think. We won't
know if it's actually right unless we try it.
We could run a survey saying 'would you use PostgreSQL on win32', but
the chances are that t
> > 0. As you say, make it known to the public. Have people test
> > their in-development applications using a beta.
>
> and how do you propose we do that? I think this is the hard part
> ... other then the first beta, I post a note out to -announce and
> -general that the beta's have been tag'
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 04:36, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
> > 0. As you say, make it known to the public. Have people test their
> >in-development applications using a beta.
>
> and how do you propose we do that? I think this is the hard part ...
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 November 2003 09:23
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Josh Berkus; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [HACKERS] [pgsql-advocacy] Not 7.5, but 8.0 ?
>
> Dave Page writes:
>
> > Least interesting
> If the background writer uses fsync, it can write and allow the buffer
> to be reused and fsync later, while if we use O_SYNC, we have to wait
> for the O_SYNC write to happen before reusing the buffer;
> that will be slower.
You can forget O_SYNC for datafiles for now. There would simply be
Dave Page writes:
> Least interesting to many user perhaps, but lost of them seen to think
> that it's important for expanding our userbase:
> http://www.postgresql.org/survey.php?View=1&SurveyID=9
That survey is a bit like asking television viewers, "What do you think
would attract the most new
>
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > If Win32 actually makes it into 7.5 then yes I believe 8.0 would be
> > appropriate.
>
> It might be interesting to track Oracle's version number viz. its
> feature list. IOW, a PostgreSQL 8.0 database would be feature
> equivalent to an Oracle
Dann Corbit writes:
> > > Cygwin requires a license for commercial use.
> >
> > No, it does not.
>
> Really?
>
> What's this then?
> http://www.cygwin.com/licensing.html
The Cygwin license, the GPL, specifically says:
Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not
cover
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 17 November 2003 23:31
> To: Josh Berkus
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-advocacy] Not 7.5, but 8.0 ?
>
> Josh Berkus writes:
>
> > Given all that, don't people t
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hannu Krosing wrote:
>> It would be even better to have now() that returns the time current
>> transaction is COMMITted as this is the time other backend become aware
>> of it ;)
> True, but implementing that would be very hard.
Son, that was a *joke* .
By the (non-existant) powers vested in me I hereby designate this as
"rehash old and fruitless arguments" week.
cheers
andrew
Dann Corbit wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:34 PM
To: Dann Corbit
Cc: Matthew
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
On Friday 14 November 2003 22:10, Jan Wieck wrote:
Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
On Friday 14 November 2003 03:05, Jan Wieck wrote:
For sure the sync() needs to be replaced by the discussed fsync() of
recently written files. And I think the algorith
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