setting changes aren't being overridden by
config files parsed later than we might expect from external tuning tools.
Magnus, was there anything else you wanted feedback on here?
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too. There's example of how to use it in the documentation for that
module and I've got some additional ones on my web page at
http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/postgresql in the slides and
examples for Inside the PostgreSQL Buffer Cache.
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(which includes SET PERSISTENT) should have to interact with the
primary postgresql.conf is just to confirm that include directive exists
before they create/update a simpler config file in the directory.
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a Windows-oriented glob:
http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/TATE/File-Glob-Windows-0.1.3/lib/File/Glob/Windows.pm
you can see it even worries about things like correctly handling the fact
that there's a current directory on each drive in Windows land.
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enough to figure out where the directory(s) of additional config files is
at. That level of config file manipulation there's already code for in
initdb, I was planning to refactor that into a library I can include for
the built-in pgtune I've been planning.
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introducing it says, the goal this aims at is making life
easier for tool builders. I think you're extrapolating beyond its
intended scope in your evaluation of what problem it's aiming to solve.
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This is only because your A/R collections staff includes people with guns.
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postgresql.conf file easier to work with. That needs a much larger
pruning before moving in that direction is actually going to help anyone.
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. Allowing a user-set value for that is a lot more
reasonable if the system computes a reasonable one itself under normal
circumstances. That's what I think people really want, even if it's not
what they're asking for.
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://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/static/libpq-envars.html and
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/static/libpq-connect.html are what I
think it's alluding to here.
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possible, so you might as well start
with that if the simpler views can be derived from them.
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This whole discussion looked helpful to save, I put a summary of the issue
and the suggested solution at
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Working_with_Eclipse#Debugging_with_child_processes
so nobody has to reinvent this.
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manipulate the rejects as simple text. Making that harder just for
this edge case wouldn't match the priorities of the users of this feature
I've encountered.
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on the buildfarm, which makes
something written in it useful here, while Tsung is not. Unfortunately.
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. If the performance only suffers when you're
targeting unclean data, the users this feature targets will glady accept
that trade-off. You're still way ahead of the other options here at the
finish line.
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and batch size parts are the trivial and well
understood parts here. Actually getting all this to play nicely with
transactions and commit failures (rather than just bad data failures) is
what's difficult.
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for the next CommitFest, where I think it can be a
useful feature to add.
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a public git repo or something to serve as an integration point for
dependency merge management and testing that resists bit-rot while
splitting things up functionally.
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there impact existing committer's daily
workflow. The complexity level of test you need to find the juicy
concurrent issues is not one you're going to want to run every time you do
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, but as it is people interested in it can't consider it
without also staring at the logging stuff. And people who are focusing on
the logging bits find it distracting, so nobody is really happy with the
current combined patch.
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Robert Haas wrote:
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com wrote:
I doubt taskmaster Robert is going to let this one linger around with
scope creep for too long before being pushed out to the next
CommitFest.
I'm can't decide whether to feel good
is sufficient for what David had in mind I can't
say.
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of things,
but basically one test at a time. The specific piece I've been working on
lately is spawning off system monitoring daemons to collect information
during the test, I think I'm on my 3rd generation of trying to get a
solution I'm happy with to that problem.
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as an integer
for this to work right, there may be some int vs. string considerations
here)
If you got something like that working first before moving onto these more
complicated examples and I think you'll have an easier time of things.
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to immediate for the sake of other
programs that can shut themselves down more cleanly if the server goes
through the fast shutdown stage first.
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GROUP BY n1.nspname,c1.relname,c1.oid,c1.relkind,
n2.nspname,c2.relname,c2.oid,c2.relkind
ORDER BY n1.nspname,c1.relname;
I could throw this on the Wiki as a code snippet if anyone else wanted to
tinker with it.
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familiar
with the replication internals can help me nail down a spec on what to
watch.
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significant contortions. I don't think that's really true though,
and would like to keep open the possibilty of accepting some simple but
useful ad-hoc features in this area, even if they don't solve every
possible problem in this space just yet.
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collected by the code block with the
comment Get default info if needed.
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in this area or considered writing one showing up just
among people on the hackers list. That should be hint as to how common
these requests are.
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these cleanly into separate patches where the
partitioning one depends on the logging one before even starting to look
at the code, it's too much stuff to consume properly in one gulp.
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platforms. Your code is interesting
but I'm not sure what problem it's intended to solve yet.
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someday!
I think any Bruce or Tom who tries to submit a patch will have to be given
a funny nickname instead.
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the standard approach due to its slots implementation.
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stuff I'm suspicious of,
using something like this passed the PID of the process I want to watch:
#!/bin/bash
gdb -p $1 EOF
p MemoryContextStats(TopMemoryContext)
detach
quit
EOF
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the source code is
available for the web app, that puts you back to needing to install the
tool locally, and I've found web apps tend to be more complicated to get
running than a typical standalone app.
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to:
1) Enable archiving
2) pg_start_backup
3) rsync/tar/cpio/copy/etc.
4) pg_stop_backup
5) Disable archiving
Because the default archive_command was something that supported a
filesystem snapshot using a standard layout.
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want to chew on right now. I'll have updated
performance results to submit later this week against the updated patch.
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Kind of annoying, but as special software you have to install on a server
just to build something from CVS goes it's only a minor inconvenience.
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-safety fixed
first so that I can queue up and compare both versions when I go through
that.
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this could be straightforward (I shudder to think what a Cygwin
guide would look like), that would make it much easier to push toward
having more people do doc review.
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on anyway in the
next month as part of my standard performance testing on new hardware.
I'll be happy to mix in results using the multi-threaded pgbench to check
the patch's performance, along with the rest of the initial review here.
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that goes into the log
file.
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with timestamp, and it expands to --; that makes it
easy to remember this particular bit.
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going down via increased shared_buffers that
people tend to run into during beta.
You can check via psql with
show debug_assertions;
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of WAL written during a
particular chunk of code? We may need some sort of checkpoint/sync after
the test to get correct results, because I've noticed that the tests I run
sometimes continue writing out buffers for a few seconds after the test
time is finished.
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of problem than the whole ring buffer idea, which is a great
start but bound to run into situations where the size of the buffer just
isn't right anymore a few hardware generations down the road.
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buffer? situation. Obviously actual measurements here
would trump any theorizing as to what works better, it's hard to get any
intuition about low-level optimizing given how complicated CPU caches are
nowadays.
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=.git --exclude-dir=.svn
--exclude=TAGS'
The other alternative is to use ack: http://betterthangrep.com/ and have
some better defaults.
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here involved as well.
In any case, a bump of the ring multiplier to either 4096 or 8192
eliminates the worst of the regression here, good improvement so far.
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of these topics on the wiki
if this idea seems reasonable to the community, there are rough articles
there already for all three ideas I can pull from.
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building community consensus in this area, and I'd like to get at least an
intro to that into the official docs.
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to use the
simplest possible schema standard that works for extensions and decouple
the problems from one another if any progress is going to get made here.
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time wasted playing around with tags that results in no benefit to users
of the software.
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things like these fleshed out git requirements. Example:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PgCon_2009_Developer_Meeting#Source_Code_Management
Thoughts?
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to add support for foo
rather than foo.
I wasn't suggesting you pull the subject line and use it as a key for
anything, was just thinking it would be nice to display it, as a way to
double-check it points to the right place.
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. It's a tower form factor through,
right? That would make it hard to install some places.
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the WAL log, partially negating the goal of using a smaller interval, and
in any case causing more disk I/O.
You've got checkpoint_segments set to 3000 in your tests and
checkpoint_time to 1 hour, which means the tests you ran are really
generating minimal WAL volume.
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immediate useful value were it to be committed.
Something that returns a setof can also be easily used to implement the
dump EXPLAIN to a table feature Josh Tolley brought up (which is another
common request in this area).
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/
A note about that got sent to this list at one point but I don't see any
follow-up:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-06/msg00802.php
Anybody have a better idea of what happened with that project than me?
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to actually do that, I really don't get a vote here anyway.
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that would be good for DW users, but not anyone else, that you were just
making critical comments about.
Anyway, thanks to Stephen for concisely clarifying the position I was
trying to present here, which is quite different from the one you were
arguing against.
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into the parsed form
and returns it:
$ v=select * from pg_views
$ p=`psql -Atc create temporary view x as ${v}; select
pg_get_viewdef('x'::regclass);`
$ echo $p
SELECT pg_views.schemaname, pg_views.viewname, pg_views.viewowner,
pg_views.definition FROM pg_views;
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Pretty unlikely to be a problem in the field though.
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thrown into the mix right now.
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on such behavior could be rudely surprised at this
change. For all I know I'm the only person to ever actually run into that
particular situation though.
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above MySQL documentation supports that it works on FreeBSD, too. I've
seen claims that it works fine on Mac OS X, too, although MySQL may not
support that:
http://labs.cybozu.co.jp/blog/kazuhoatwork/2009/02/using_o_direct_on_mac_os_x.php
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show any improvement from that patch.
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well spent, some of the most interesting parts of the codebase
to understand from a low-level performance tuning perspective are in those
two.
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that puts something similar back,
perhaps with a more targeted UI given that pg_stat_reset has taken over
its original primary function.
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couple of template pieces I always
end up needing for the various types of joins that always pop up and
customize from there.
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,
but if the background writer is doing enough of them for you that should
at least be asynchronous from when most backends are blocked waiting for
an eviction.
And that's as far as I got before I had to return to real work again.
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. In trivial cases like
sort_mem-work_mem, adding some backward compatibility concessions might
make sense. Saddling GUC changes with any restrctions beyond what happens
to be easy seems pretty impractical.
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; that's
how I found all those so fast. As just that subset consists of 22
threads, it's kind of messy to sort through most other ways.
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the
original script works as expected on the database problems it tries to
solve rather than play with programming languages, I didn't think
reporting progress just on that front was particularly exciting.
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SEPostgreSQL are concerned. It will just hint toward using a schema
design with table-level controls instead if you care about high
performance on that style of join.
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volunteers on a project are traditionally good at, and you can expect any
developers who aren't managing databases too large to dump/reload to
scream about how it will slow the advance of the project.
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made most things pull right from the fields now.
That cut out some code that was only supporting that poor data hiding.
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the documentation suggesting such a syntax because I
think this would be handy for a lot of people. I was already planning to
do that for another use case (pgbench) once the 8.4 work here shifts from
development to testing and I have some more time for writing.
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normally want
next in this sort of situation is some more table input designed to render
badly for testing. I'll see what I can put together there, I am rather
good at breaking code.
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wants to try removing some escapes to make it
prettier the onus is on them to try that without breaking things.
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been able to measure the impact of the
similar case where zero-filling a brand new segment can impact things;
this would be much less like to happen because the timing would have to
line up just wrong, but I think it's still possible.
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is somewhat
perilious as a known limitation.
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threw in his +1 too.
So just on the relatively small -hackers list we're up to three people who
think it's a nice addition.
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the rules
that exist only via the code implementation it seems to me the only robust
way around it is to just escape every special character.
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:51:44 -0500 (EST)
Greg Smith gsm...@gregsmith.com wrote:
A. Einstein was a really smart dude.
Which character in the above example would you escape.
. is on the long list of characters to be escaped I sent out earlier
as possible.
I think (1) is a better solution than most of these in the context of an
improvement to core, with (4) pglesslog being the main other contender
because of how it provides additional full-page write improvements.
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Simon Riggs wrote:
Who can set up an inherited table structure but can't remember to turn
on constraint_exclusion?
I thought the whole point of the WIP Auto Partitioning Patch was exactly
to enable larger numbers of such people in the future.
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. Again, you can just parse it out if that starts being included,
but it would be cleaner to grab just that one piece. (Right now I just
look at the maximum value for one of the settings I know changes size to
figure that out when this pops up)
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a stack
of candidate ones I ran the earlier tests on to compare results against.
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