Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-31 Thread Serge Stinckwich
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:16 PM, stepharo wrote: > In squeak by example > > we could tag in the document code snippet as text and a perl script > > turn the expression into Sunit method and run the tests > > We lost that. Yes I remember this was very nice. We should have a

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-31 Thread stepharo
In squeak by example we could tag in the document code snippet as text and a perl script turn the expression into Sunit method and run the tests We lost that. Stef Le 31/8/16 à 12:21, Peter Uhnak a écrit : On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:00:30PM +0200, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: Ok, now I know what

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-31 Thread Peter Uhnak
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:00:30PM +0200, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > Ok, now I know what I want. > > I want a better way to document. Because I’m trying to write a documentation > about my stuff, but there are too many disconnected ways to do that. I’m > trying to always have reasonable class

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-31 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Ok, now I know what I want. I want a better way to document. Because I’m trying to write a documentation about my stuff, but there are too many disconnected ways to do that. I’m trying to always have reasonable class comments. But sometimes you need a more general description, so you write

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-30 Thread stepharo
Additionally I would like to see: - investigation in the Win Pharo VM for being able to run again as a Windows Service (as it was possible for Squeak) to be able to easily provide, deploy and administrate a web app on Windows Definitively. Thanks for mentionning it. It will be

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-29 Thread stepharo
Thanks we are currently brainstorming with esteban on the pharo pro offer and this is nice to have your feedback. Stef Le 28/8/16 à 15:33, Torsten Bergmann a écrit : what are the points you are working on and that would deserve more focus and help from the community? I once started with

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-28 Thread Torsten Bergmann
> what are the points you are working on and that would deserve more focus and > help from the community? I once started with a refactored version of GetText, covered with tests and tools. Code status I reached so far is here: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~TorstenBergmann/Gettext Idea

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-28 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, The answer was that Spotter is not different in any way than any other global shortcut. This means that if we want to have an interactive solution, we should do it at the level of the Keymapping framework not at the level of individual tools. In the meantime, how do we manage this?

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-28 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 00:55, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: > > Le 27/08/2016 à 14:32, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : >> yes, some years ago I made a package for this. >> later Ben tried something similar with the user manager. >> none of those approaches worked as general

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-28 Thread stepharo
Thanks Cyril Now we have to check what is synectique specific from what should be pushed to Pharo. Since we moved to a Seaside application not so long after I joined Synectique we only disable some basic things. If I don't say anything wrong here is what we did: - Remove repositories

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
Le 27/08/2016 à 14:32, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : > yes, some years ago I made a package for this. > later Ben tried something similar with the user manager. > none of those approaches worked as general approach because you need to > “close” a lot of things… (not just the spotter… which by the

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
Le 27/08/2016 à 14:39, stepharo a écrit : > Cyril what would be good is to share what you are disabling and to tunr > such points into points that can be turned > but inside Pharo like that you push the logic to the system. > Since we moved to a Seaside application not so long after I joined

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 27 Aug 2016, at 14:40, stepharo wrote: > > Hi esteban > > I think that we should identify the main hook points and slowly prepare them. > > The system should be prepared for that so that we just need to pass a context > to configure it. .. I should have that old

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread stepharo
Hi esteban I think that we should identify the main hook points and slowly prepare them. The system should be prepared for that so that we just need to pass a context to configure it. Stef Le 27/8/16 à 14:32, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : yes, some years ago I made a package for this.

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread stepharo
Cyril what would be good is to share what you are disabling and to tunr such points into points that can be turned but inside Pharo like that you push the logic to the system. Now this is important to see that if people for which the value is high do not work on something why others would do

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
yes, some years ago I made a package for this. later Ben tried something similar with the user manager. none of those approaches worked as general approach because you need to “close” a lot of things… (not just the spotter… which by the way, NEEDS to have a setting, no idea who answered you

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
Le 27/08/2016 à 13:18, stepharo a écrit : > > > YES!!! > > Do you know how Settings works? > We can adapt it this way. When I improved the deployment of Synectique Tools I asked to get a simple way to disable Spotter via a setting but I got as answer "No because you can do it by removing a

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread stepharo
Hi! There is one thing I would like, but maybe not for Pharo6 since there is a lot to do, but I would like people to have this in mind: A way to deploy commercials apps. YES!!! I would like to be able to say something like "Smalltalk lockForDeployment" and "Smalltalk

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-27 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
Le 24/08/2016 à 06:59, stepharo a écrit : > Hi > > We have some ideas (because people are working on items) for the Pharo 6 > roadmap > > and we will consolidate them soon and propose them to you. > > but I would like to know two kinds of points > > - what are the points you are working on

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-26 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
My Christmas list is divided to 2 sections a) What I want from you b) What I am going to deliver *What I want from you* The things I want from Pharo are centered on the high priorities a) 64 bit version b) Bloc /SDL c) FFI documentation / stabilization Its

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-26 Thread stepharo
Le 26/8/16 à 14:40, Norbert Hartl a écrit : Hi, the things I want to have are 64bit, bootstrap and vector graphic backend because these are so disruptive that it takes some time to stabilize the whole system. But there is a roadmap for this which is ok for me. For me we really need to

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-26 Thread stepharo
List: * image size management under control Yes it requires to write a new GC so I hope that the VM team with get the ressources. * no more gradients in that UI (even in the light theme) * modern "Material style" UI * FASTER Nautilus what is the problem? * better console support (in/out)

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-26 Thread Norbert Hartl
Hi, the things I want to have are 64bit, bootstrap and vector graphic backend because these are so disruptive that it takes some time to stabilize the whole system. But there is a roadmap for this which is ok for me. For me we really need to focus on stabilizing a few things which are (to me)

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-26 Thread p...@highoctane.be
List: * image size management under control * no more gradients in that UI (even in the light theme) * modern "Material style" UI * FASTER Nautilus * better console support (in/out) * Pharo VM as something I can embed in other programs * something like npm.js for the packages list along with

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-26 Thread stepharo
Thanks Peter I cannot find the list, but there were some things we discussed during consortium call a month or so ago. Maybe Esteban can find it? I want for Christmas * Better Spec * Roadmap so we know where we are going, * with clean API, * so we can build really live UIs (where you

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-24 Thread Peter Uhnák
I cannot find the list, but there were some things we discussed during consortium call a month or so ago. Maybe Esteban can find it? I want for Christmas * Better Spec * Roadmap so we know where we are going, * with clean API, * so we can build really live UIs (where you can drag windows

[Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

2016-08-23 Thread stepharo
Hi We have some ideas (because people are working on items) for the Pharo 6 roadmap and we will consolidate them soon and propose them to you. but I would like to know two kinds of points - what are the points you are working on and that would deserve more focus and help from the