php-general Digest 19 Jul 2012 16:18:35 -0000 Issue 7893
php-general Digest 19 Jul 2012 16:18:35 - Issue 7893 Topics (messages 318497 through 318504): Re: Creating drop-down menus 318497 by: James Newman 318498 by: Paul M Foster 318500 by: Andrew Ballard 318501 by: Tim Streater Re: SOAP and Php question about authentication 318499 by: Matijn Woudt Re: Creating drop-down menus - use AJAX and jQuery 318502 by: Daevid Vincent 318503 by: Jay Blanchard difference PEAR PECL 318504 by: Mihamina Rakotomandimby Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- Just to put my 2cents in, you might want to try jQuery if you're going to go down the AJAX road. James. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Ramiro Barrantes ram...@precisionbioassay.com wrote: Thanks to everyone for their help, AJAX is the way to go. Daevid, it's interesting you welcome me to the year 2000, I actually graduated from CS in 1999 and haven't really done much more than simple web-programming since (have done scientific programming instead), so I am definitely behind the times!!! From: Jen Rasmussen [j...@cetaceasound.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:19 PM To: Ramiro Barrantes; php-gene...@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus -Original Message- From: Ramiro Barrantes [mailto:ram...@precisionbioassay.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:17 PM To: php-gene...@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus Hello, I am making an application using PHP/Javascript/mysql and had a question. Sometimes I need to use javascript to fill a drop down box based on the value of a previous drop down box. However, the information to fill the latter is stored in mysql and can be a lot, what I have been doing is that, using PHP, I create hidden fields with all the possible information that might be needed to fill the second drop down. For example, the user chooses a bank from a drop down, and then a list of clients is displayed on the following drop down. I use PHP to read all clients from all the banks and put that as hidden fields on the html page. It is very cumbersome. I do not want to read the database (which changes dynamically) from javascript directly due to confidentiality and because a lot of care has been taken to create the appropriate queries with checks and protect misuse of the information using PHP. My questions are: 1) Do people just normally use hidden fields to store possible information to fill the drop downs? 2) any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Ramiro ** You could also store the information as a session variable. Jen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:45:34AM +1200, James Newman wrote: Just to put my 2cents in, you might want to try jQuery if you're going to go down the AJAX road. JQuery is a LOT of code to include if you're just going to do an AJAX call or two. There are examples of doing straight AJAX with Javascript on the 'Net. Once you work through them, you find that there's a static part that you can include in all the files you want to make AJAX calls. And then there's the part that deals directly with the data you get back from whatever PHP or other script is feeding you data from outside the website. That's the part that needs custom work. I *hate* Javascript, but I managed to figure it out. Another point: I'm not sure if it's the same for other people. I'm on a crappy little computer running Linux. I've got a little CPU meter in my taskbar. And nothing jacks that meter up like Javascript. I don't know why, but Javascript just devours CPU on my computer. The more javascript, the worse. And like I said, JQuery is a LOT of code. This is one of the reasons I tend to code things in PHP instead of Javascript. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:45:34AM +1200, James Newman wrote: Just to put my 2cents in, you might want to try jQuery if you're going to go down the AJAX road. JQuery is a LOT of code to include if you're just going to do an AJAX call or two. There are examples of doing straight AJAX with Javascript on the 'Net. Once you work through them, you find that there's a static part that you can include in all the files you want to make AJAX calls. And then there's the part that deals directly with the data you get back from whatever PHP or other script is
[PHP] difference PEAR PECL
Hi all, Wondering about the difference between PECL and PEAR, I found: http://board.phpbuilder.com/showthread.php?10339238-Pecl-vs-Pear Is it a suitable answer? If so, several Linux ditribution have: * php-pecl-xxx (PECL) * php-pear-vvv (PEAR) * php-yyy (???) packages (rpm and deb). What about the last kind? -- RMA. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] difference PEAR PECL
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: Hi all, Wondering about the difference between PECL and PEAR, I found: http://board.phpbuilder.com/showthread.php?10339238-Pecl-vs-Pear Is it a suitable answer? It's close. PECL (sometimes pronounced pickle) stands for PHP Extension Community Library, which is - as the name suggests - a library of PHP extensions. Things like APC, memcache, amqp, and sqlite are examples of popular PECL extensions. PECL is a repository of compiled binaries. By contrast, PEAR - the PHP Extension and Application Repository - is actually not a library of extensions in the common definition, despite what the name suggests. Instead, it's a collection of unrelated reusable components, written in PHP, to be used for application development. PEAR is technically considered a framework, but is more commonly used as individual classes, as opposed to a full framework deployment in the traditional sense, such as Yii, Zend, CodeIgniter, 2x4, et al. Popular PEAR packages include Mail, PHP_Codesniffer, Date_Holidays, and various API service components such as those used with Amazon Web Services (AWS). PEAR components are supposed to follow the PEAR Coding Standard as well. If unsure which library to check for a given component, consider the following: PEAR components are always First_Letter_Capitalized, while PECL extensions are generally not. If so, several Linux ditribution have: * php-pecl-xxx (PECL) * php-pear-vvv (PEAR) * php-yyy (???) packages (rpm and deb). What about the last kind? php-pecl-xxx, php5-pecl, et cetera, are the PECL support libraries and may also refer to PECL extensions. php-pear-vvv, php5-pear, et cetera, are the PEAR support libraries and may also refer to PEAR components. php-yyy, php5-yyy, et cetera, are individual packages. For example, php_mysql or php5-cli. If possible, however, when installing PECL or PEAR packages, use the pecl or pear command line tool, respectively. For example: pecl install pdo_sqlite -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus
On Jul 16, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Ramiro Barrantes ram...@precisionbioassay.com wrote: Hello, I am making an application using PHP/Javascript/mysql and had a question. Sometimes I need to use javascript to fill a drop down box based on the value of a previous drop down box. However, the information to fill the latter is stored in mysql and can be a lot, what I have been doing is that, using PHP, I create hidden fields with all the possible information that might be needed to fill the second drop down. For example, the user chooses a bank from a drop down, and then a list of clients is displayed on the following drop down. I use PHP to read all clients from all the banks and put that as hidden fields on the html page. It is very cumbersome. I do not want to read the database (which changes dynamically) from javascript directly due to confidentiality and because a lot of care has been taken to create the appropriate queries with checks and protect misuse of the information using PHP. My questions are: 1) Do people just normally use hidden fields to store possible information to fill the drop downs? 2) any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Ramiro Ramiro: The subject line of Creating drop-down menus is misleading -- here is what a drop-down menu is: http://sperling.com/examples/new-menuh/ http://sperling.com/examples/menuh/ And similarly, a fly-out menu: http://sperling.com/examples/menuv/ What you are describing is simply a self-updating selection control, like this: http://php1.net/a/zipcode-states/ The description and code is there. To the PHP gang: As for the discussion re jQuery and such, there's no need -- it was not used in this demo. IOW, no jQuery was harmed. I am not against jQuery, on the contrary I think it's great, but it's not always needed for client-side functionality. As I see it, there is no need for a sledgehammer to drive a thumb tack. Please realize that all controls (input, textarea, options, selections, checkboxes, radio buttons, multi-options, etc.) can be handled this fashion. This is not your father's limited server-side php, but rather a coupling of both server-side and client-side languages to provide a more desktop-application-like user experience. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] What do you call the end-user?
Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. Second question: Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. Cheers, tedd t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? If they're using the *code*, then user or developer. If they're using the finished product (site, application, or results thereof), then end-user, customer, visitor, or subscriber work just fine. Ultimately, the term end-user signifies a bookend-like link in the chain, such as a subscriber; the opposite bookend would be the producer or creator, with connecting links being the publisher, provider, distributor, perscriptionist, reseller, and so forth. Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. Overall, no. If it's going to be user-facing and not just systems interpretation (automation, AI, et cetera), then I leave that up to the UX folks. I work on the functionality and logic, they work on the flow and presentation. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote: As for the discussion re jQuery and such, there's no need -- it was not used in this demo. IOW, no jQuery was harmed. I am not against jQuery, on the contrary I think it's great, but it's not always needed for client-side functionality. As I see it, there is no need for a sledgehammer to drive a thumb tack. As an aside on the subject of jQuery, our very own Jay Blanchard has written a comprehensive book on the topic entitled Applied jQuery: Develop and Design: http://links.parasane.net/92xb It's one of the very rare (read: two) programming books found on my shelf. The other is Jamsa's C/C++ Programmer's Bible by Kris Jamsa and Lars Klander. I borrowed it from my brother for reference when Internet connections wouldn't be available perhaps someday he'll get it back, too. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
Hi, I have always held that the opinion of the end-user/customer is the most important goal in any systems development project, small or large, regardless of the programming language/environment. The database structure, programming, and interfaces are your product. If folks don't like it or can't figure out how to use it or can't wait until something better comes along, your product won't survive long in the marketplace. This attitude should also be held for developers creating in-house solutions as well. While management may have an overall goal for the purpose of the programming, the people who will eventually be the ones typing/clicking their way through your programs are the ones to ultimately satisfy. This means more pro-active design work with the front line users is always advisable to create long lasting programs/systems. I use mostly PHP to create web-based interface screens for AS400 programs in a manufacturing environment. I can spend all the time I want programming the next greatest program, but if the guys in the plant don't/won't use it, I have completely wasted my time. My two cents. Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Tedd Sperling [mailto:t...@sperling.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:27 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net General Subject: [PHP] What do you call the end-user? Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. Second question: Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. Cheers, tedd t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
Tedd Sperling wrote: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. If they are paying they are customers, if they are freeloading they are users. Second question: Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. I have an application which has evolved over 20 years, but still does essentially what it did 20 years ago. It was ported to PHP to replace it's own alphnumeric terminals around 2000 but still uses the basic functionality that the original hardware provided. The nice thing about PHP is that it while the original stuff was all hard coded programs and changes were difficult, with PHP we can adjust things easily. Probably a little too easily, but molding things to each sites personal preferences is something that could not be done originally. So we tailor the user side to reflect local workflow rather than forcing a one size fits all solution that we had before. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
-Original Message- From: Tedd Sperling [mailto:t...@sperling.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:27 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net General Subject: [PHP] What do you call the end-user? Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. Second question: Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. Cheers, tedd t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I call them the GUI between the Chair and the Key board (behind the scenes)! To their face/documented I call them the End-user I do however break this down into tier level access users depending on access desires. From straw dog to functioning portal the (easy, flow, and navigation) is always designed for the most novice of users is HIGH priority. This area gets a little hairy with different levels of knowledge are concerns. Some want a point to point (Walk Trough scenario) and others want more complex features as options. Reports, in my mind the most complex portion of any development because of the mash of conceptual ideas of what the end product should look like. These areas are rarely novice compliant, because of the sheer complexity of filtering options desired. I stick to a Canned Report approach when dealing with novice end-users. My goal in life has been to develop the ultimate portal that thinks for you and less dependent on your interactions. I am close to finishing a learning module that learns from your interactions and navigates according to your past history. But that is for another time -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] The Cat Signal
Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:54 PM, admin ad...@buskirkgraphics.com wrote: My goal in life has been to develop the ultimate portal that thinks for you and less dependent on your interactions. I am close to finishing a learning module that learns from your interactions and navigates according to your past history. But that is for another time If not now, when? It sounds very interesting. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] difference PEAR PECL
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: Hi all, Wondering about the difference between PECL and PEAR, I found: http://board.phpbuilder.com/showthread.php?10339238-Pecl-vs-Pear Is it a suitable answer? It's close. PECL (sometimes pronounced pickle) stands for PHP Extension Community Library, which is - as the name suggests - a library of PHP extensions. Things like APC, memcache, amqp, and sqlite are examples of popular PECL extensions. PECL is a repository of compiled binaries. By contrast, PEAR - the PHP Extension and Application Repository - is actually not a library of extensions in the common definition, despite what the name suggests. Instead, it's a collection of unrelated reusable components, written in PHP, to be used for application development. PEAR is technically considered a framework, but is more commonly used as individual classes, as opposed to a full framework deployment in the traditional sense, such as Yii, Zend, CodeIgniter, 2x4, et al. Popular PEAR packages include Mail, PHP_Codesniffer, Date_Holidays, and various API service components such as those used with Amazon Web Services (AWS). PEAR components are supposed to follow the PEAR Coding Standard as well. If unsure which library to check for a given component, consider the following: PEAR components are always First_Letter_Capitalized, while PECL extensions are generally not. If so, several Linux ditribution have: * php-pecl-xxx (PECL) * php-pear-vvv (PEAR) * php-yyy (???) packages (rpm and deb). What about the last kind? php-pecl-xxx, php5-pecl, et cetera, are the PECL support libraries and may also refer to PECL extensions. php-pear-vvv, php5-pear, et cetera, are the PEAR support libraries and may also refer to PEAR components. php-yyy, php5-yyy, et cetera, are individual packages. For example, php_mysql or php5-cli. If possible, however, when installing PECL or PEAR packages, use the pecl or pear command line tool, respectively. For example: pecl install pdo_sqlite Is this really the recommended way on distros' which package the pecl packages? It seems to me it would be better to use the distros' version, so it has the required patches (if any) for them to work correctly on the distro, and they get upgraded automatically with the system updates. What is the advantage of using the pecl tool? - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] difference PEAR PECL
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: Is this really the recommended way on distros' which package the pecl packages? It seems to me it would be better to use the distros' version, so it has the required patches (if any) for them to work correctly on the distro, and they get upgraded automatically with the system updates. What is the advantage of using the pecl tool? Using `pecl` will get you the most recently-published version. Using a distro's repo requires your distro's package management teams to actually be on top of things. And, in the sad majority of cases, it's simply not the way things are right now. Using `pecl` will build it from source using your installed API version and so forth. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] magic getter
Hi all,
is this a bug, or a feature?
class Foo
{
private $data;
public function __get($name)
{
return $this-data[$name];
}
}
$foo = new Foo();
$foo-color = 'red';
echo $foo-color;
I would expect an error, or a least a notice, but it prints out red ...
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[PHP] magic getter
Hi all,
is this a bug, or a feature?
class Foo
{
private $data;
public function __get($name)
{
return $this-data[$name];
}
}
$foo = new Foo();
$foo-color = 'red';
echo $foo-color;
I would expect an error, or a least a notice, but it prints out red ...
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Re: [PHP] magic getter
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Sebastian php-maill...@elygor.de wrote:
Hi all,
is this a bug, or a feature?
class Foo
{
private $data;
public function __get($name)
{
return $this-data[$name];
}
}
$foo = new Foo();
$foo-color = 'red';
echo $foo-color;
I would expect an error, or a least a notice, but it prints out red ...
I guess it's some hidden feature. Since you're not required to declare
your variables in PHP, it's pretty much impossible to detect if this
is what the user wants or an error. In this case, PHP will declare a
public variable color inside the class for you.
- Matijn
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement.
Re: [PHP] magic getter
On 07/19/2012 12:22 PM, Sebastian wrote:
Hi all,
is this a bug, or a feature?
class Foo
{
private $data;
public function __get($name)
{
return $this-data[$name];
}
}
$foo = new Foo();
$foo-color = 'red';
echo $foo-color;
I would expect an error, or a least a notice, but it prints out red ...
Their is nothing magical about this.
When you do this:
$foo = new Foo();
$foo-color = 'red';
you create a variable within the $foo instance variable called color
with a value of red.
Then, later on when you do this
echo $foo-color;
you are then simply echo'ing the variable/value you created.
with this example, you are never using the __get() magic function to
retrieve the value of color.
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. I heard back from the webmaster saying that we're already participating with the cat signal on our website. Given this and no objections, I went ahead and contacted them and asked that they list us on their participating members page. --Kris
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Kris Craig [mailto:kris.cr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:40 PM To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Daniel Brown; php-webmas...@lists.php.net; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. I heard back from the webmaster saying that we're already participating with the cat signal on our website. Given this and no objections, I went ahead and contacted them and asked that they list us on their participating members page. --Kris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on how heavy handed the solution is ... Currently I can't get torrent downloads of Linux distribution DVD's because torrent is blocked. Just because some people abuse a technology is no reason to kill that technology for legitimate uses? Action groups that just target one country are a little irritating to the rest of us ... a world wide solution is needed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Hi, I agree. My wife is from China and both copyright issues and government enforcement of things have a whole new meaning there, so I understand the concerns on both sides. Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:10 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on how heavy handed the solution is ... Currently I can't get torrent downloads of Linux distribution DVD's because torrent is blocked. Just because some people abuse a technology is no reason to kill that technology for legitimate uses? Action groups that just target one country are a little irritating to the rest of us ... a world wide solution is needed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) --Kris
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) You need to write an RFC, run one round around a church, submit a call for open discussion for the request for comment, run backwards around a church, spit on the grave of your first born, then vote. Or in other words; What exactly are you looking to do here? If we are already pencilled down as members, great! Is there anything else left then? -Hannes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) You need to write an RFC, run one round around a church, submit a call for open discussion for the request for comment, run backwards around a church, spit on the grave of your first born, then vote. Or in other words; What exactly are you looking to do here? If we are already pencilled down as members, great! Is there anything else left then? -Hannes I don't think so, no. I just wanted to double-check and make sure I'm being kosher in asking them to list us and our logo on their top members page. =) --Kris P.S. I don't have any dead kids yet, so can I substitute someone else's dead kid to spit on?
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) You need to write an RFC, run one round around a church, submit a call for open discussion for the request for comment, run backwards around a church, spit on the grave of your first born, then vote. Or in other words; What exactly are you looking to do here? If we are already pencilled down as members, great! Is there anything else left then? -Hannes I don't think so, no. I just wanted to double-check and make sure I'm being kosher in asking them to list us and our logo on their top members page. =) Great. let us know how it goes. -Hannes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] magic getter
If you want to block setting of public properties on your class, implement
the magic setter.
class Foo {
private $data = array();
function __get($name) {
return $this-data[$name];
}
function __set($name, $value) {
if ($name != 'foo') {
$this-data[$name] = $value;
}
}
}
$f = new Foo;
$f-x = 5;
echo $f-x; // 5
$f-foo = 'bar';
echo $f-foo; // Notice: Undefined index: foo in php shell code on
line 1
Enjoy!
David
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 01:26:50PM -0400, Tedd Sperling wrote: Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. User, because I'm writing the code for *my* customer. The person actually exposed to my code may or may not be a customer of anyone. They may simply be an internet surfer at my customer's site. Second question: Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. I'm interested in user experience to a limited extent. My interest stops when a user wants the code to wipe their nose for them. Can we make the website automatically update our accounting system and then write a check for the cost of goods to the vendor? Sure. How much money do you have? (Their accounting system is some inscrutable pile of Windows COM objects, like SAP, behind a firewall. And they don't even know which vendor to write the check to. I guess mental telepathy is a part of the PHP libraries not installed on my development system.) Or when someone sends the form on the website for an appointment request, can you make a reminder pop up on all the desktops in the office? No, I can't. Here's an idea: assign someone to check the email for appointment requests throughout the day, and contact the customer to confirm, based on you actually *looking* at your appointment calendar. Sheesh. Apparently, computers (not mine) are capable of performing magic tricks. I think my screens should be fairly self-explanatory, if possible. But I'm averse to making them idiot-proof. If you're an idiot, get someone else to operate your computer for you. You shouldn't be using one. But there may be times when a computer screen or set of screens will absolutely require some training, rather than someone completely unfamiliar with the workings of the office just sitting down and being able to guess how to operate the system. You didn't learn to drive by just sitting in a car and guessing how it is done. Don't expect a web-based application to be operable simply by guessing, necessarily. By the way, I'm quite happy to write documentation for systems. Unfortunately, more than half the people who read anything can't actually *apply* what they read to whatever system they're working with. Supposedly they can read. But somehow they still need someone to explain it to them, no matter how good the docs are. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
-Original Message- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:31 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user? On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 01:26:50PM -0400, Tedd Sperling wrote: Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. User, because I'm writing the code for *my* customer. The person actually exposed to my code may or may not be a customer of anyone. They may simply be an internet surfer at my customer's site. Second question: Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. I'm interested in user experience to a limited extent. My interest stops when a user wants the code to wipe their nose for them. Can we make the website automatically update our accounting system and then write a check for the cost of goods to the vendor? Sure. How much money do you have? (Their accounting system is some inscrutable pile of Windows COM objects, like SAP, behind a firewall. And they don't even know which vendor to write the check to. I guess mental telepathy is a part of the PHP libraries not installed on my development system.) Or when someone sends the form on the website for an appointment request, can you make a reminder pop up on all the desktops in the office? No, I can't. Here's an idea: assign someone to check the email for appointment requests throughout the day, and contact the customer to confirm, based on you actually *looking* at your appointment calendar. Sheesh. Apparently, computers (not mine) are capable of performing magic tricks. I think my screens should be fairly self-explanatory, if possible. But I'm averse to making them idiot-proof. If you're an idiot, get someone else to operate your computer for you. You shouldn't be using one. But there may be times when a computer screen or set of screens will absolutely require some training, rather than someone completely unfamiliar with the workings of the office just sitting down and being able to guess how to operate the system. You didn't learn to drive by just sitting in a car and guessing how it is done. Don't expect a web-based application to be operable simply by guessing, necessarily. By the way, I'm quite happy to write documentation for systems. Unfortunately, more than half the people who read anything can't actually *apply* what they read to whatever system they're working with. Supposedly they can read. But somehow they still need someone to explain it to them, no matter how good the docs are. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php --- LOL Paul, You are so very spot on, I have a current customer who would like the website to just load when he logs in. I wish I had not agreed to writing him a startup script to load the interface for him because NOW he wants it to auto login for him. They use a random key generator as a portion on their login authentication. So let's see: The system sends you a report every hour on the hour. You no longer have to navigate to the interface. It auto logs into the system for you. I pander to these kind of people like there is no tomorrow when they are the ones who sign the check, because anything outside of scope cost BIG TIME. :) I have gone so far to create training aids that are system mimics to explain to them what they are doing wrong and what the next step is. I use to write SCO compliant learning systems and let me tell you there is NO such thing as idiot proof. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote: Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? It all depends on where and how my code is ultimately used. If it is code that someone sitting at a browser making requests that end up running code I wrote, they are a user, or where there needs to be clarification, and end user. I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. Again, it sort of depends on the disposition of the code I wrote. In any case, customer to me implies some sort of delivery possibly for remuneration. Customers tend to be singular for any given package (not meaning exclusive) and some kind of contract is held between us. I don't run any commercial sites for my own benefit, otherwise the term customer might expand to people buying or trading things with me via that site, in which case those customers become a subset of end users as well. Isn't this fun? In the case where I'm developing a portion of a product that another developer may pick up an use in application, they are using my code, but are definitely quite distinct from an end-user or a customer. Sometimes they might be called a partner, but not always. Second question: Are you concerned with their (whomever) experience in using your code? All those various constituents have needs whom I may wish to address. The end-user, obviously has need to be able to transact their business in as easy a fashion as possible, and being able to trust the chain of software and hardware that will carry out those wishes. The customer needs to be able to trust in the product or service they are buying, but equally, to be able to understand and navigate whatever process is in place for our transaction. And the development partner, as well, needs to be able to trust that the package I'm producing is documented well enough, and it is clear and as easy as possible to integrate with their own software. This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? As you may have guessed - I just attended a UX conference and they provide an interesting perspective on UX. I was wondering how php developers typically address the subject. This sort of thing is not only applicable to UX needs, but to many other areas as well. It's also not limited to any particular interface, but how that interface changes and evolves over time, and it's responsiveness to the various constituents' needs. Cheers, tedd t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus
On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: As an aside on the subject of jQuery, our very own Jay Blanchard has written a comprehensive book on the topic entitled Applied jQuery: Develop and Design: http://links.parasane.net/92xb Just bought it -- thanks. I'll add it to my other three jQuery books Always support the people on this list. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Jeff Burcher wrote: Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on *all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. Governments and large corporations are about power and *control*. The internet is the antithesis of this. So expect their efforts to control some or all of the internet to continue until they succeed. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 06:57:53PM -0400, admin wrote: [snip] LOL Paul, You are so very spot on, I have a current customer who would like the website to just load when he logs in. I wish I had not agreed to writing him a startup script to load the interface for him because NOW he wants it to auto login for him. They use a random key generator as a portion on their login authentication. So let's see: The system sends you a report every hour on the hour. You no longer have to navigate to the interface. It auto logs into the system for you. I pander to these kind of people like there is no tomorrow when they are the ones who sign the check, because anything outside of scope cost BIG TIME. :) I have gone so far to create training aids that are system mimics to explain to them what they are doing wrong and what the next step is. I use to write SCO compliant learning systems and let me tell you there is NO such thing as idiot proof. My wife and I were discussing something tangential to this the other day. When people are young, they engage in all sorts of silly things that waste time. But when you get older, your time becomes progressively more valuable to you. In this case, I wouldn't want to waste my time on what you describe. I don't care how big the check is. I have too many other more important things to do with my time. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
