Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-08 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/05/2006 11:47 PM Robert Cummings said the following: This is necessary to escape wildcards characters that should be taken literally in patterns. It is needed to implement the auto-complete feature using SQL conditions of type field LIKE 'typed-text%'. If typed-text contains % or

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-08 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/06/2006 09:52 PM Martin Alterisio said the following: Anyway, you may want to read this more in depth reflection of the state of the PHP framework world and recommendations on how to pick what suits best for you:

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-06 Thread Martin Alterisio
2006/8/4, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, on 08/03/2006 05:18 PM Martin Alterisio said the following: Anyway, you may want to read this more in depth reflection of the state of the PHP framework world and recommendations on how to pick what suits best for you:

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-05 Thread Tony Marston
Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:23 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:53 PM Robert Cummings said the following: The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first place was : Imagine

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-05 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/04/2006 05:47 PM Robert Cummings said the following: The point of the post is that there is no framework in particular to recommend. I use my own packages for my needs. They suit me well. It does not mean they will suit everybody. How would you know that there is no framework to

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 15:36 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/04/2006 05:47 PM Robert Cummings said the following: The point of the post is that there is no framework in particular to recommend. I use my own packages for my needs. They suit me well. It does not mean they will suit

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:49 PM Robert Cummings said the following: The point of the post is that there is no framework in particular to recommend. I use my own packages for my needs. They suit me well. It does not mean they will suit everybody. How would you know that there is no framework to

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:15 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:49 PM Robert Cummings said the following: The point of the post is that there is no framework in particular to recommend. I use my own packages for my needs. They suit me well. It does not mean they will suit

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:53 PM Robert Cummings said the following: The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first place was : Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that we have a never ending choice of PHP database abstraction layers that

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:52 PM Kilbride, James P. said the following: I admit I have not expressed myself clearly. What I meant is not that people should be disallowed to implement alternative APIs, but rather that they should not feel the need to do it. In the Java world, JDBC is the de

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:23 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:53 PM Robert Cummings said the following: The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first place was : Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that we have a

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 05:18 PM Martin Alterisio said the following: Anyway, you may want to read this more in depth reflection of the state of the PHP framework world and recommendations on how to pick what suits best for you:

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jochem Maas
PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Paul Scott wrote: You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! I agree with Rob! I am a botanist. I have never been trained in Computer Science, as far as industry is concerned, I am not qualified to turn on a PC. Fortunately for me, I

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Arno Kuhl
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 August 2006 12:37 To: Paul Scott Cc: Robert Cummings; Manuel Lemos; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Paul Scott wrote: You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! I

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jochem Maas
@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Paul Scott wrote: You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! I agree with Rob! I am a botanist. I have never been trained in Computer Science, as far as industry

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Paul Scott
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:43 +0200, Arno Kuhl wrote: I'm not so sure if the botanist wasn't saying in a rather confused way that he was playing on the same side as PHPClasses, even if he did profess to be in the other team. Did he say he was rolling his own (in a way only botanists can do) or

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, August 2, 2006 9:50 am, Gabe wrote: Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc.

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:01 AM Robert Cummings said the following: Anyway, you may want to read this more in depth reflection of the state of the PHP framework world and recommendations on how to pick what suits best for you:

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 07:37 AM Jochem Maas said the following: PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Erm Paul Scott is a good contributor of the PHPClasses site: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/author/145758.html Several of his classes have been nominated to the PHP Programming Innovation

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:17 AM Jochem Maas said the following: Arno Kuhl wrote: I'm not so sure if the botanist wasn't saying in a rather confused way that he was playing on the same side as PHPClasses, even if he did profess to be in the other team. Did he say he was rolling his own (in a way

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the following: The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first place was : Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that we have a never ending choice of PHP database abstraction layers that does

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:32 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:01 AM Robert Cummings said the following: Anyway, you may want to read this more in depth reflection of the state of the PHP framework world and recommendations on how to pick what suits best for you:

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 14:42 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the following: The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first place was : Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that we have a

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Kilbride, James P.
-Original Message- From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:43 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the following: The main thing in Manual's

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Martin Alterisio
2006/8/3, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, on 08/01/2006 01:35 PM Gabe said the following: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust,

Re: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Matt Todd
In my experience with the other frameworks (primarily Wasp, CakePHP, Symfony, eZ Components, and Zend Framework), I've found that I was not satisfied with the quantity of low-quality code they advocate. I have a high standard for code quality, readability, maintainability, and (more generally)

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Jens Kleikamp wrote: Matt Todd wrote: Because of this, I determined to build my own framework. This was a few months ago, and Canvas[1] was the result of my labor. I produced this framework while working on numerous projects at the university I work at. This allowed me to

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: Tony Marston wrote: Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Stut
Jochem Maas wrote: Stut wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? One license to kill to go please. 006.5 your lic is in the post. and while I'm at it can I port an obscure OS to the hardware of your choice

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Stut
Jochem Maas wrote: I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? One license to kill to go please. -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? One license to kill to go please. 006.5 your lic is in the post. and while I'm at it can I port an obscure OS to the hardware of your choice during my lunch break? -Stut -- PHP

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like Inversion of Control, Dependency Injection etc. Sounds similar to the service system

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 -0400, Gabe wrote: Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc.

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
Too bad there isn't a skeleton sort-of system that you essentially then just plug in the modules that you want/need to flesh it out. Then you'd have your own customized framework for each app that is developed and keeps *all* of the modules relevant to that app. Nothing extra would be

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 18:08 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 -0400, Gabe wrote: Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed,

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 18:08 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like Inversion of Control, Dependency Injection etc. Sounds similar

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Paul Scott wrote: Too bad there isn't a skeleton sort-of system that you essentially then just plug in the modules that you want/need to flesh it out. Then you'd have your own customized framework for each app that is developed and keeps *all* of the modules relevant to that app. Nothing

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
I see that there are a few different Universities in Africa supporting that framework. How active is the developer community? How long has KINKY/Chisimba been around? The AVOIR Project has been going for about 2 years now. KINKY and KEWL.NextGen were the first products of that project.

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Kilbride, James P.
I'm not going to comment on the rest of the stuff that was said, which is why I snipped it. I'm not a purist when it comes to OO at all. But I do have to say that while iterators in ruby are amazingly powerful that leave me going wow.. that is so cool.. The thought of how they could be abused and

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Kilbride, James P. wrote: I'm not going to comment on the rest of the stuff that was said, which is why I snipped it. I'm not a purist when it comes to OO at all. But I do have to say that while iterators in ruby are amazingly powerful that leave me going wow.. that is so cool.. The thought of

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 00:29 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/01/2006 01:35 PM Gabe said the following: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 01:24 AM Robert Cummings said the following: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc.

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 01:47 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 08/03/2006 01:24 AM Robert Cummings said the following: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! I agree with Rob! I am a botanist. I have never been trained in Computer Science, as far as industry is concerned, I am not qualified to turn on a PC. Fortunately for me, I am also a geek. My PHP experiences started when

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 18:17 -0400, tedd wrote: At 10:46 PM +0100 8/1/06, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the near future and would like to think Zend would be a good horse

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Ligaya Turmelle
Colin Guthrie wrote: Satyam wrote: There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the