On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
I continued the discussion with Nathan.
I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
productive one at that.
which would
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 12:38 -0400, Andrew Ballard wrote:
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
I continued the discussion with Nathan.
I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on
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Subject: Re: [PHP] templating engine options
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote:
thanks for taking the trouble to write your requirements. it made
interesting reading.
i've questions
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 03:48:41 am Nathan Rixham wrote:
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Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
I continued the discussion with Nathan.
I too have had an off-list
Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
Finally somebody mentioned XSL Transformations. Time is relative because as you
need time to learn an API to produce quickly only after a while, thanks to
knowledge and confidence, XSL is the same with the advantage that you transform
a data structure, rather than
At 12:46 PM -0400 5/25/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
I'm going to leave this discussion here since it's eating up too much of
my time :)
Cheers,
Rob.
Rob:
It's always been my experience to listen when you talk. -- so -- when
you find some time AND have the inclination, could you prepare a
At 8:13 PM +0100 5/25/09, Stuart wrote:
I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
productive one at that.
-Stuart
Great! Now you guys are having a three-some without me. :-)
While I wasn't getting it, I was trying.
Cheers,
tedd
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On 5/25/09 8:48 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Sancar Saran wrote:
?php
$content = 'No Comments';
if(isset($comments) and is_array($comments) and count($comments) 0 ) {
$content = '';
foreach( $comments as $index = $comment ) : $content. = a href='.
thanks for taking the trouble to write your requirements. it made
interesting reading.
i've questions on three points below...
On 5/25/09 6:44 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
XSL Templates are near perfect, built for the job, and very powerful -
but time hasn't favoured them well;
Tom Worster wrote:
thanks for taking the trouble to write your requirements. it made
interesting reading.
and thanks for taking the time to read it! it was a big one.
i've questions on three points below...
On 5/25/09 6:44 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
XSL Templates are near
Tom Worster wrote:
On 5/25/09 8:48 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Sancar Saran wrote:
?php
$content = 'No Comments';
if(isset($comments) and is_array($comments) and count($comments) 0 ) {
$content = '';
foreach( $comments as $index = $comment ) : $content. = a href='.
thanks for the pointers on xsl. i'll take a look.
On 5/26/09 6:05 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
it seems you're saying that there would be some kind of an intermediate
level of data representation that a script can be invoked to produce from
which different templates can produce
Hi,
and then you have the joy of telling the client its 6 months work
6 months vs 1 day... Ka-Ching! :-)
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You're missing the point just because he threw in some old HTML
styling attributes. The main issue is the overhead of added parsing
layers to find where content goes in the HTML. Aren't we already
using a language (PHP) that parses for place holders for dynamic
content within HTML
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
I was recently researching
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 09:39 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
Hi,
and then you have the joy of telling the client its 6 months work
6 months vs 1 day... Ka-Ching! :-)
That's where your integrity is called into question.
Cheers,
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Ha ha! Love that!
That's where your integrity is called into question.
What's that...? :-)
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On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 13:46 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
That's where your integrity is called into question.
What's that...? :-)
One of the most important attributes a person can have. It is more
important than the person's technical ability.
:)
Cheers,
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At 11:11 PM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
often though you have dedicated web designers who do html, css java
and nothing else - and a graphics design guy and the developers (php
+ server side) - that was a pointless comment though and it is all
scenario based.
You can wear the hat
At 9:06 AM -0400 5/25/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 13:46 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
That's where your integrity is called into question.
What's that...? :-)
One of the most important attributes a person can have. It is more
important than the person's technical
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
On 5/23/09 6:21 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines
other than smarty.
i started using phplib template in 2002. since then i've never bothered to
revisit that choice. it may not qualify as an engine (all it does is
On 5/25/09 10:04 AM, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote:
Quick question, how would you implement the following using your
XML-based template syntax...
div class=option ?php if (!empty($option_class)) { echo
$option_class; } ? ... /div
It's worth noting that I'm simply suggesting a different
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
Have I done something to annoy you lately? You seem to be directing a
lot of hostility my way recently. Just wondering.
I'm sorry you're taking it personally... you may want
Tom Worster wrote:
On 5/25/09 10:04 AM, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote:
Quick question, how would you implement the following using your
XML-based template syntax...
div class=option ?php if (!empty($option_class)) { echo
$option_class; } ? ... /div
It's worth noting that I'm simply
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:58 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
Have I done something to annoy you lately? You seem to be directing a
lot of hostility my way recently. Just
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 21:26 +0100, Stuart
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 19:56 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 19:56 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 16:31 +0100, Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:04 +0100, Stuart
Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
I continued the discussion with Nathan.
I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
productive one at that.
which would probably be a good time for me to step back in; having had a
nice little inside
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 01:44:43 am Nathan Rixham wrote:
Stuart wrote:
2009/5/25 Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com:
I continued the discussion with Nathan.
I too have had an off-list discussion with Nathan on this topic, and a
productive one at that.
which would probably be a good
Sancar Saran wrote:
?php
$content = 'No Comments';
if(isset($comments) and is_array($comments) and count($comments) 0 ) {
$content = '';
foreach( $comments as $index = $comment ) : $content. = a href='.
$comment-link.'.$comment-title./a; endforeach;
}
?
h2Comments/h2
div
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
project, with a bias toward simple and lightweight. I found this
interesting article in my search. I think its worth considering if
you don't need all the
i use smarty (a templating engine) for two important reasons...
1. in most of my projects, templates are designed by a third party and
i dont want them to access all my php variables.
2. smarty is meant to do html coding and in many cases i can get the
job done in single sentence, while it takes
...
For a long time I used require(), simply because I worked in an
environment where the web people could either cope with PHP or were
programmers. But then I succumbed to the lure and wrote RTemplate
(http://www.phpguru.org/rtemplate) - a simple caching template doobry.
And now I still use
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
project, with a bias toward simple and lightweight. I found this
interesting article
2009/5/23 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com:
Hi All,
Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines other
than smarty.
I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
something newer and lighter out there that I'm missing then I'd be a fool
not to
Stuart wrote:
2009/5/24 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:
At 12:01 AM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
I was recently researching template engines for a small in-house
project,
At 9:43 PM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
and now I'm questioning myself - not on the client scenario based
decisions - but on my own personal projects and things only I work
on.. why do I use a template engine? habit? some old logical
decision I made based on abstraction which somehow
tedd wrote:
At 9:43 PM +0100 5/24/09, Nathan Rixham wrote:
and now I'm questioning myself - not on the client scenario based
decisions - but on my own personal projects and things only I work
on.. why do I use a template engine? habit? some old logical decision
I made based on abstraction
At 1:54 PM -0600 5/24/09, LinuxManMikeC wrote:
You're missing the point just because he threw in some old HTML
styling attributes. The main issue is the overhead of added parsing
layers to find where content goes in the HTML.
I may be missing the point, but I know where content goes in my
tedd wrote:
At 1:54 PM -0600 5/24/09, LinuxManMikeC wrote:
You're missing the point just because he threw in some old HTML
styling attributes. The main issue is the overhead of added parsing
layers to find where content goes in the HTML.
I may be missing the point, but I know where content
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines other
than smarty.
I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
something newer and lighter out there that I'm
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 23:21 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines
other than smarty.
I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
something newer and lighter out there that I'm missing then I'd
Kevin Waterson wrote:
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 23:21 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick one, can anybody recommend any decent templating engines
other than smarty.
I've got no problem with smarty and it does the job - but if there is
something newer and lighter out there that
I just wanted to add that Richards technique is a good way to go.
I often use something very similar, the only difference being that I
make the head() and foot() function methods in class (an instance
of the class being created by the global include file for the given site
e.g:
class Page
{
Hi Rich,
Thanks for replying.
He just needs maybe 5 template
pages, same pages, different color.
For something THIS simple, I truly believe you are
Better Off (tm)
with a simple head() and foot() function in a
globals.inc file:
Sorry, dont know where my brain was that day, what I
At 9:57 PM -0500 6/22/06, Richard Lynch wrote:
On Thu, June 22, 2006 7:23 pm, tedd wrote:
-snip-
body bgcolor=?php echo $bgcolor?
Well... I prefer to separate the header and footer into two files and
load them as needed in my web page. In addition, I would most
certainly remove ALL
At 3:37 AM -0700 6/23/06, Ryan A wrote:
Hi Rich,
Thanks for replying.
He just needs maybe 5 template
pages, same pages, different color.
For something THIS simple, I truly believe you are
Better Off (tm)
with a simple head() and foot() function in a
globals.inc file:
Sorry, dont know
Hey Tedd,
He just needs maybe 5 template
pages, same pages, different color.
For something THIS simple, I truly believe you
are
Better Off (tm)
with a simple head() and foot() function in a
globals.inc file:
Sorry, dont know where my brain was that day, what
I
meant was
Ryan,
I would still recommend Smarty.
It can be as big as you like, but it can also be very simple to set up and
maintain. It has the features should your friend decide to expand his usage
in the future. If you opt now for something with limited features and later
decide to step beyond them,
Ryan A wrote:
Hi,
A pal of mine needed some help on his project, he is
using a header and footer file to template his
project... but its gotten a bit complicated as he has
a few dynamic parts in the header and footer files, so
I told him to go with a proper templating method of
templating the
At 08:10 AM 6/22/2006, Ryan A wrote:
Hi,
A pal of mine needed some help on his project, he is
using a header and footer file to template his
project... but its gotten a bit complicated as he has
a few dynamic parts in the header and footer files, so
I told him to go with a proper templating
On 22/06/06, Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 08:10 AM 6/22/2006, Ryan A wrote:Hi,A pal of mine needed some help on his project, he isusing a header and footer file to template hisproject... but its gotten a bit complicated as he has
a few dynamic parts in the header and footer files,
IMHO I would go with Smarty as it has excellent documentation and
would fit almost anything that the project would require. I also
think it would be a cleaner way of templating than using str_replace
() over and over again. For what it's worth, I use Smarty on almost
all of my projects,
Miles Thompson wrote:
Don't forget, PHP itself is a templating language. Just do a standard
page, with includes for headers and footers, menus, and content.
If he wants to change colour, then load a different stylesheet for a
given page or content section.
This way he can use the tool that's
On Thu, June 22, 2006 6:10 am, Ryan A wrote:
He just needs maybe 5 template
pages, same pages, different color.
For something THIS simple, I truly believe you are Better Off (tm)
with a simple head() and foot() function in a globals.inc file:
function head($title = My Site, $bgcolor =
At 6:26 PM -0500 6/22/06, Richard Lynch wrote:
On Thu, June 22, 2006 6:10 am, Ryan A wrote:
He just needs maybe 5 template
pages, same pages, different color.
For something THIS simple, I truly believe you are Better Off (tm)
with a simple head() and foot() function in a globals.inc file:
On Thu, June 22, 2006 7:23 pm, tedd wrote:
At 6:26 PM -0500 6/22/06, Richard Lynch wrote:
On Thu, June 22, 2006 6:10 am, Ryan A wrote:
He just needs maybe 5 template
pages, same pages, different color.
For something THIS simple, I truly believe you are Better Off (tm)
with a simple head() and
I use Smarty and am the lone developer. Why - Easiest to give an
example that I did.
I have my site with 7 pages. Each page has a minimum of 4 templates for
it (though 6 is the average). Time goes on and I decided I wanted to
completely change the look of my site (currently can't handle the
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 17:17, Murray @ PlanetThoughtful wrote:
Hi All,
So, if anyone out there uses a templating system (ie Smarty, PHPSavant etc)
and they don't work in a team environment, I'd love to hear what benefits
you derive from so doing.
I do for as many projects as possible.
Mattias Thorslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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(On the subject of templating engines, again.)
I wonder what you folks think of the following:
http://www.massassi.com/php/articles/template_engines/
hi!
It is nicely written, but actually, I think completely oposite
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(On the subject of templating engines, again.)
I wonder what you folks think of the following:
http://www.massassi.com/php/articles/template_engines/
hi!
It is nicely written, but actually, I think
On 4/28/05, Clive Zagno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
I use eval(). Because it works.
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What templating engines do you use with php and why?
I use eval(). Because it works.
I'm a big fan of include(). ;)
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On 4/28/05, Clive Zagno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
I use eval(). Because it works.
Myself, I'm partial to include(). ;)
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I'm a big fan of include(). ;)
Ditto!
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At 5:43 PM -0800 4/28/05, Clive Zagno wrote:
Hi all,
What templating engines do you use with php and why?
Ive been using smarty (http://smarty.php.net)
I've used include(), and smarty, but now use Expression Engine
http://www.pmachine.com. EE which is more of a CMS than just a
templating system,
(On the subject of templating engines, again.)
I wonder what you folks think of the following:
http://www.massassi.com/php/articles/template_engines/
I've been using the template class in the example of the article. I
think it's easy to use and very flexible, since it uses PHP as the
actual
You can always roll your own, it's not that hard at all. Here is an
example:
ob_start();
include(templateFile);
$tpl_file = ob_get_contents();
ob_end_clean();
The contents of your template file are now in the variable $tpl_file
and you can you str_replace to input the data. Remember that
On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 18:20, Trent Gillespie wrote:
I have a template file that I would like to add the content to no write over it. I
want the string $content to be added to my template instead of writing over it. Here
is my current script
$tutorial = template.php;
$fp =
A great solution for this kind of job is Midgard (www.midgard-project.org). It
provides heaps of features oriented to solving all your possible problems -- user
control/access; separate content and style templates, manages includes
automatically so you don't have to fiddle around tens or hundreds
Lauri --
You might want to take a look at: http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/
there's a tutorial located here:
http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/PHPFastTemplate/page1.html
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Hi there!
During the last two weeks or so, I've been bugged by a question deep
inside me. It's about
Woops -- first link is to the site for PHPFastTemplate.
Lauri --
You might want to take a look at: http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/
there's a tutorial located here:
http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/PHPFastTemplate/page1.html
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Hi there!
During the last two weeks or so,
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