Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : Global Player (UK) Plugin (Classic FM, Capital, Smooth, Heart, LBC etc.)

2023-01-02 Thread psketch


slartibartfast wrote: 
> I just tried playing a few of the Capital stations and playback has
> stopped a few times, sometimes continuing after a short time and other
> times not restarting.
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

Yes - same here on Classic - been listening to it for most of the day. 
Playback stopped a couple of times for 10-20 secs, then restarted in my
case.  Couldn't see anything obvious in server.log.  Let me know if you
want more logging.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Best online streaming service with plugin for LMS

2021-07-26 Thread psketch


Qobuz for me every day - Hirez streamed as pure flac, decent price,
online integration works really well.

I used to be on Tidal, but hirez in MQA is a non-starter.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2021-05-18 Thread psketch


coyrls wrote: 
> This release still hasn't appeared in f-droid (at least in the UK).

Showed up for me yesterday.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce : Global Player (UK) Plugin (Classic FM, Capital, Smooth, Heart, LBC etc.)

2021-04-05 Thread psketch


Thanks for working on this one - another great addition to the stable
:-)  As you say, the limited bitrates are a real shame, but hopefully
you'll be able to sort out the signon and we'll have access to the
higher rates as well.

BTW - one really minor thing which I only noticed because I was using
Material.  In Material, if you look at the settings, it shows you the
help, and the help for the "Show in Radio Menu" says "Times Radio", not
"Global Player"...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] GlobalPlayer (UK) Plugin - ClassicFM etc.?

2021-03-25 Thread psketch


expectingtofly wrote: 
> I believe there is an MP3 stream that is 128 kbps.  It is the AAC stream
> that their web site/api points to,  that's the one that is 48 kbps (or
> 192kbps as a "HD" stream)

Yes, you can see 128K stream at https://icecast.thisisdax.com/, but it's
not 192k :-)  Also, quite a few of other global player streams only seem
to have 48K.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] GlobalPlayer (UK) Plugin - ClassicFM etc.?

2021-03-25 Thread psketch


expectingtofly wrote: 
> I've just got around to looking at this.
> 
> To write a plugin is quite straight forward (to replicate whats
> available on the web site).  Although, as @paulwebster mentioned, the
> meta data provision uses web sockets, so the meta data would be limited
> The problem is they only make available very low bitrate streams (48
> kbps) available via this unauthenticated method, which particularly for
> classic fm, makes the whole exercise completely pointless.
> 
> They do make what they call "HD streams" available through their app of
> 192 kbps (I had a look at their android app) if you sign in.   By a bit
> of proxy sniffing I can see that these "hd" streams are open  (e.g 
> http://ice-the.musicradio.com/ClassicFMHD ) but are protected by
> requiring the passing of a "hdauth" token as part of the URL.  Which, by
> the looks of it, is probably possible to reverse engineer, but they
> obviously do not want anyone to do that as it is all very well hidden.

I guess to do it properly, we'd be dependent on them providing an API so
we could sign in - they then get the data they want from us as users,
and we get the HD stream without having to use their app.  Less
advertising revenue for them though I guess is the problem with them
wanted to do that  I assume the token is generated through the
signin process, so is likely to be unique to each session, or is it
unique to each user perhaps?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Qobuz.com streaming plugin

2021-03-11 Thread psketch


steve miller wrote: 
> I have just subscribed to a Qobuz trial and am experiencing a problem
> with accessing Qobuz high res streams through LMS.
> I use a Cyrus streamer and if I access quobuz through the Cyrus
> interface (and app) those albums designated as hi res seem to play at
> the expected high bit rates and show as 96khz. However I prefer to play
> my music streams using LMS with the Cyrus streamer just acting as a
> player because the Cyrus cadence app is a bit flaky and keeps crashing.
> Using the qobuz plugin on LMS however the same albums only seem to play
> at 44.1khz. I have checked my account settings on the Qobuz website
> which definitely show my streams should be hi res (when available).
> Can anyone suggest what might be happening here? I know from this thread
> that some albums shown as hi res on qobuz will only stream in CD quality
> unless the album is actually purchased but I don't think that can be the
> issue here as the same music plays at hi res using the Cyrus interface.

There's a setting on the plugin to specify your preferred rez



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] GlobalPlayer (UK) Plugin - ClassicFM etc.?

2021-02-21 Thread psketch


bpa wrote: 
> I see the approach to be using LMS on Linux to test an update to
> AnyEvent 7.*.  The AnyEvent 7.* module is easily built for Linux but
> changes to some LMS core modules are likely.
> 
> Upgrading AnyEvent to 7.* on Linux should be feasible as I think LMS use
> of AnyEvent facilities is limited and this is a upgrade not a
> reimplementation.
> 
> The main difficulty will be building for Windows - if a new AnyEvent
> module built then I would hope there would be no major issues as they
> should have been ironed out testing on Linux.

Yes - sounds like a plan.  I guess worse case would be that Windows was
a non-starter for some reason, but you could have an optional
installable extension for Linux that overwrote the 5.x to add WS
support.  Anyhow, happy to play around with anything on PCP or raspbian
(my day to day is pcp, test is raspbian on Pi)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] GlobalPlayer (UK) Plugin - ClassicFM etc.?

2021-02-21 Thread psketch


bpa wrote: 
> Looking at updating AnyEvent is on my (long) todo list as it would be
> useful for another idea I have.
> 
> IIRC Beside the "whether it works ", Michael had more basic concerns
> because of problems in building any library module for Perl for Windows
> (stuck at 5.14 as no longer supported by vendor).  Around same time
> there were problem update SSL libraries but Ralphy managed to build new
> SSL libraries which meant LMS got reasonable "https" support. Summary -
> i feel AnyEvent module could be updated & rebuilt - then "does it work"
> can be tested. Just time is needed and unlikely to be Michael's as there
> is no pressing need for it.  The simplest approach would be to test 7.*
> on Linux and if OK - try to build for Windows.

Ah yes  - I remember some other comments on Windows problems.  I'm
always happy to help testing and trying things, but my knowledge on
building things on Linux is limited.  Although I run all of my LSM and
players on PCP (apart from a transporter and boom), my technical
knowledge is Windows rather than Linux.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] GlobalPlayer (UK) Plugin - ClassicFM etc.?

2021-02-21 Thread psketch


Paul Webster wrote: 
> There is an undocumented API ... but using it is tricky because it would
> require the use of WebSockets ... which is not supported by LMS.
> So I think it would mean writing some standalone stuff and then plugging
> it in somehow.
> 
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107186-Help-Implementing-websockets-in-a-plugin=995299=1#post995299

Hmm ; that's a shame.  Global claim to be the largest radio group in
Europe now with 25 million people listening in the UK each week, so, on
the very large assumption that all of the globalplayer stations use the
same approach, it would be a really nice addition, and now the HD
streaming thrown into the mix.

Did Michael comment further on the need for backward compatibility on
AnyEvent?  From that thread, it looked like he was saying it would need
backward compat., which makes perfect sense, vs. there was some kind of
known issue with 7.x vs. 5.x.  Was it more "we don't know if it works"
vs. "there's known problems".  If it's the former, is it worth a
conversation with Michael to see if upgrading AnyEvent is an option, as
that seems to have the widest benefit, vs. writing some kind of
standalone proxy.



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[SlimDevices: Plugins] GlobalPlayer (UK) Plugin - ClassicFM etc.?

2021-02-21 Thread psketch


Now that @expectingtofly is spoiling us with lots of great addins, I
wondered if anyone had had a look at the feasibility of a plugin for
GlobalPlayer.  For me, this would be for ClassicFM mostly, but there are
loads of stations in their stable now.  The main advantage vs. a stream
is they now claim to offer HD audio through their app if you sign up for
an account.

No idea of course if there's an API available of course, but if they're
restricting it to people signed in with an account, I guess there's
reason for them to want to enable as broad access as possible - more
ability to profile us vs. if we just listen to a stream.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Actual Qobuz Audio Format

2021-02-12 Thread psketch


rootee wrote: 
> Navigating Qobuz tracks now returns "Empty" for the track info (?).  I
> don't know if it's always done this, or if it's a result of the change
> made for v2.4.7.  If I navigate Tidal (via Material), for example, and
> select "More", I get the full track info.  Qobuz shows empty.

Yes, I see the same, but only for the track list, not the playlist. 
More Info on the playlist works fine, but if I look at the track list,
it's empty.  Not sure I've ever noticed this before.  For no real
reason, I've tended to do it from the playlist.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Actual Qobuz Audio Format

2021-02-11 Thread psketch


mherger wrote: 
> > Yep, that did it!  No longer getting two format entries.  Nice work,
> > Michael!
> 
> But which value would you get now?
> 
> Are you using LMS8's online library integration? If so, would you see 
> the same if you played Qobuz tracks imported to your library vs. tracks
> 
> played directly from the Qobuz menus?

Hi Michael

You now only see the correct one I believe.  For my 192/24 track, i now
just see

File Format: FLAC
Duration: 10:17
Bitrate: 5273kbps CBR
Sample Rate: 192.0 kHz
Sample Size: 24Bits

So, it looks like the incorrect 96kHz entry for me was being created by
the handler in Plugin.pm

pete S



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Actual Qobuz Audio Format

2021-02-11 Thread psketch


I see the same thing, but slightly different ...

If I play a track from a HiRes album available in 192/24, I see

File Format: FLAC
Duration: 10:17
Bitrate: 5273kbps CBR
Sample Rate: 192.0 kHz
Sample Size: 24 Bits
Sample Rate: 96.0 kHz
Sample Size: 24Bits

However, the dac does report 192/24, so this might be just an odd
display problem rather than anything do to with the actual sound.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Qobuz.com streaming plugin

2021-01-06 Thread psketch


I wondered how qobuz responds to the Preferred format selection.  So, if
I have preferred 24/96, but an album is available in 24/192, what
happens?  Does it mean the album won't show as available, or if an album
is available in 24/192, does will it also be available in 24/96, or will
it drop down to 16/44.1?  Most of my devices will play 24/192, but I
have a Transporter, which caps out at 24/96.  Just trying to work out
the best option where some devices are limited, but qobuz is increasing
the amount of 192, so thinking about what's best to do.

ta

pete S



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-12-28 Thread psketch


cpd73 wrote: 
> This comes up again, and again, and again, and always (it seems) with
> tidal. The list of apps comes from lms, and (AFAIK) the material call is
> ok. Tidal is a mysqueezebox.com, so the player needs to be registered
> there and have tidal enabled for it. If you change player whilst in
> myapps the list of apps may change - if one is on mysqueezebox and the
> other not, etc.

Hi Craig

I got to the bottom of this with Michael and thought I'd share it for
anyone else interested.  As you say, you're reading the available Apps
for a player from the LMS.  For mysb based Apps like Tidal, the player
needs to be registered on to the logged in used on mysqueezebox.com. 
With hardware based players, it's straight forwards to register on mysb
as you can connect the player directly instead of using a local LMS. 
However, with non official players (e.g. Pi's running PCP/Squeezelite in
my case), they can't connect directly to mysb.  To work around this,
Michael added functionality in LMS to add a player to mysb when it
connects to the LMS (so long as the LMS is logged into mysb of course).

All good so far.  The problem I have is that some of my players won't
register on mysb because it had already been added in the past to
someone else account.  The registration is by MAC address.  Someone else
had run squeezelite or something else on the PIs that wouldn't register
for me and those MAC address will stay registered forever to that
persons account.  I hadn't thought of this - I know about it for a
Boom/Touch etc., but of course some previous owner of my second hand PIs
had also used them as an LMS player.

So, if you can't see Tidal listed under Apps in Material for a
particular player but it's there for other players, it's likely that
your MAC address is listed to another user.  Have a look at
mysqueezebox.com/Players.  If it's missing, you likely need to ask
Michael to manually remove that particular MAC address from someone
else's account.

pete S



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-12-26 Thread psketch


cpd73 wrote: 
> Sorry, but I have no idea. All I can say is that I ask LMS for the list
> of apps, and it returns these. Part of the request is the player ID, and
> the returned list can change. I send:
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > ["aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff",["myapps","items",0,25000,"menu:1"]]
  > 

> > 
> 
> Its op to LMS to return the list of apps. I do not use any streaming
> services, so I cannot check the behaviour myself.

Yep - If I run up Charles Proxy, I see that request and the response
coming back.  I'm not sure if it's any use, but if I look at another app
which does build the list fully, I see

[{
"channel": "/slim/request",
"data": {
"request": ["aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff", ["myapps", "items", 0, 200,
"menu:myapps", "useContextMenu:1"]],
"response": "/c8461e01/slim/request/2"
},
"id": "10",
"clientId": "c8461e01"
}]

and the response is 

[{
"successful": true,
"clientId": "c8461e01",
"id": "10",
"channel": "/slim/request"
}]

So, looks like it's taking a different approach.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-12-26 Thread psketch


psketch wrote: 
> Hi Craig
> 
> The problem seems to be that registering non-SB hardware based players
> on mysb.com isn't supported - according to Michael 'here'
> (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111815-piCorePLayer-connected-to-MySB-com).
> Oddly, about half of my pcp players are registered, and these ones do
> show the Tidal app in My Apps in Material.  The others don't.  The
> correct behaviour for devices wanting to connect to mysb, according to
> that thread from Michael, is to go via lms, which then doesn't add the
> players.
> 
> Given that Michael says he might delete all non-sb hardware based
> players from mysb.com, I wonder if you could take another look at this. 
> As I mentioned, I guess there may be another call to use, as I see tidal
> listed OK for the normal UI, and for other apps, like squeezecontrol.
> 
> pete S

Actually, just adding to this a little,  looking 'here'
(https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?105461-Please-read-software-players-amp-mysqueezebox-com/page14),
Michael says that you shouldn't need any players listed on mysb and you
can delete them all.  Seems like the intent is the LMS finds the
available services and applies that to all connected players.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-12-26 Thread psketch


Hi Craig

The problem seems to be that registering non-SB hardware based players
on mysb.com isn't supported - according to Michael 'here'
(https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111815-piCorePLayer-connected-to-MySB-com).
Oddly, about half of my pcp players are registered, and these ones do
show the Tidal app in My Apps in Material.  The others don't.  The
correct behaviour for devices wanting to connect to mysb, according to
that thread from Michael, is to go via lms, which then doesn't add the
players.

Given that Michael says he might delete all non-sb hardware based
players from mysb.com, I wonder if you could take another look at this. 
As I mentioned, I guess there may be another call to use, as I see tidal
listed OK for the normal UI, and for other apps, like squeezecontrol.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-12-26 Thread psketch


cpd73 wrote: 
> This comes up again, and again, and again, and always (it seems) with
> tidal. The list of apps comes from lms, and (AFAIK) the material call is
> ok. Tidal is a mysqueezebox.com, so the player needs to be registered
> there and have tidal enabled for it. If you change player whilst in
> myapps the list of apps may change - if one is on mysqueezebox and the
> other not, etc.

Hi

Yep - that's it.  The player I was on doesn' show up on mysb for some
reason.  Now, how to make it register there with a squeezelite based pcp
player I wonder.  Odd thing as I said is that other apps and UIs aren't
affect - I guess there's a different call required for mysb controlled
apps perhaps.  Anyway, I'll see if I can get them to register and then
see what happens.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-12-26 Thread psketch


I recently updated to PCP 7 for my server from 6.1 on my PCP (Pi 3B) and
have come across a problem I've seen quite a few times - I can't make
Tidal show up in My Apps.  It shows fine on the normal classic UI, also
if I use SqueezeControl, but I can't make it show at all on Tidal.  I've
seen this before, but normally stopping and starting gets it to show
up.

I've tried deleting and re-adding but with no joy.  If I add a different
app, that does show up - just seems to be something funny with Tidal.

If I have BBC Sounds, Tidal and Times Radio added, I see the following
JSON


Code:


  [15:11:39] JSON RESP: 
{"params":["b8:27:eb:xx:xx:xx",["myapps","items","0",25000,"menu:1"]],"method":"slim.request","result":{"base":{"actions":{"playControl":{"window":{"isContextMenu":1},"itemsParams":"playControlParams","params":{"_index":"0","menu":"1","_quantity":"25000"},"player":0,"cmd":["myapps","items"]},"go":{"cmd":["myapps","items"],"params":{"menu":"myapps"},"itemsParams":"params"},"play":{"itemsParams":"params","params":{"menu":"myapps"},"player":0,"cmd":["myapps","playlist","play"],"nextWindow":"nowPlaying"},"add-hold":{"itemsParams":"params","params":{"menu":"myapps"},"player":0,"cmd":["myapps","playlist","insert"]},"add":{"params":{"menu":"myapps"},"cmd":["myapps","playlist","add"],"player":0,"itemsParams":"params"},"more":{"window":{"isContextMenu":1},"params":{"menu":"myapps"},"cmd":["myapps","items"],"player":0,"itemsParams":"params"}}},"item_loop":[{"actions":{"go":{"params":{"menu":"bbcsounds"},"cmd":["bbcsounds","items"]}},"addAction":"go","type":"redi
 rect","icon-id":"plugins/BBCSounds/html/images/BBCSounds.png","text":"BBC 
Sounds"},{"addAction":"go","actions":{"go":{"cmd":["timesradio","items"],"params":{"menu":"timesradio"}}},"icon-id":"plugins/TimesRadio/html/images/TimesRadio.png","text":"Times
 
Radio","type":"redirect"}],"window":{"windowStyle":"home_menu"},"offset":0,"title":"My
 Apps","count":2},"id":2}
  



So - looks like the json is only returning 2 items.  Any ideas?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-06-28 Thread psketch


I may be missing this, but is there a link in the app to the app release
location?  When I look at info etc., this is more for skin rather than
the app, and I can't see a "Help-About" for the app and to give a link
to the new releases.

thanks

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-05-26 Thread psketch


cpd73 wrote: 
> Changes:
> 
> >   > 
  -  Allow manual entry of server address and port.
  > > > 
> 
> https://github.com/CDrummond/lms-material-app/releases/download/0.0.6/lms-material-release-0.0.6.apk

Thanks very much.  The manual entry for the server address works fine
:-)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-05-22 Thread psketch


Settings for SBPlayer are 

Model: SB Player
Type: squeezeplay

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-05-18 Thread psketch


waldo wrote: 
> UDP broadcasts are restricted to current subnet. It should not work
> across subnets. Depending on the switch used some feature might be
> available that could allow to avoid restriction but I would not count on
> it.

Yep - that's my experience as well.  I have done some broadcast
forwarding stuff in the past, but it's not easy and is router specific,
so I mostly gave up.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-05-18 Thread psketch


cpd73 wrote: 
> There is no manual IP entry, as this should not be required. The app
> sends a UDP broadcast packet on port 3483, perhaps you have this
> blocked? Does Squeezer (free, opensource, android UI) detect your
> server?

Tricky bit is that by default my experience has always been that udp
broadcast across subnets doesn't work well.  General direction for
multiple subnets is to use ip multicast instead when I researched this
before, so I've always defaulted to manual entry.  I use squeezecntrl as
well, and that doesn't find the server - i have to enter the server
manually there.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Material Skin

2020-05-18 Thread psketch


I've been using the browser version for a while now and it's become my
main "app" now - donation on the way :-)  I was interested to see the
app wrapper version - the hardkey support sounds nice - but it won't
discover my server - just stuck on the settings screen.  Am I being
blind, or is there currently no way to manually enter server ip and
port?  I just sit on the settings screen where I can rediscover the
server etc..  My network is a little complicated - the server is on
192.168.3.x, whereas my main network is 192.168.1.x.  I can see the
server fine from the browser of course.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test

2017-06-26 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
> Try
> squeezelite -r 44100 -R X
> 
> Says 44100 is Max rate and then forces resampling by squeezelite to max
> rate.

Yep - that fixed it!  Odd that it wouldn't realise that if it only
support 44.1, that it should resample something at 48K.  Anyhow - many,
many thanks for your help - at least we have a work around for now.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test

2017-06-26 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
> Assuming the hifiberry only supports 441.kHz and 48kHz - then the
> following says player only support 44.1kHz 
> 
> squeezelite  -r 44100
> 
> If there are other rates then provide in a list separated by commas
> e.g.
> 
> squeezelite -r 32000,44100,96000
> 
> edit:
> 
> Not sure now - I've looked at an LMS log doing this and LMS does not
> seem to have resampled.

yes - think i tried that just now - but seems like you can put any
number into the max rate box in pcp and it doesn't make any difference. 
A non-numeric will stop squeezelite launching, but -r 44100 doesn't seem
to do anything.  Amp+ only support 44.1 and 48, so that should be all it
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test

2017-06-26 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
> I think it may take a while before the new kernel is included in picore
> release.
> 
> In the meantime you could setup the squeezelite on the offending player
> to either (i ) tell LMS it doesn't support 48Khz (i.e so LMS will
> resample) or (ii) make squeezelite resample all streams to 44.1kHz

Thanks.

I'd rather go with (i) as it's only affecting one player.  Do you happen
to know the resampling syntax for that?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test

2017-06-26 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
> BBCIplayer DASH & HLS streams are 48kHz whereas MP3 are 44.1kHz
> 
> Isn't there a bug in Picore 3.2 with Hifiberry Amp+ playing 48Khz
> streams ?  see
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107352-Announce-piCorePlayer-3-20=886279=1#post886279

Ah yes - that looks like it!  I'll chase up with the picore team.

thanks again

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test

2017-06-26 Thread psketch

I'm using 1.5.3 and in general all seems well with the streams with one
very odd situation - one of my players just streams silence, whilst all
the others seems to work fine.  I have a mixture of h/w (transporter,
boom, SB3) and picore players. All work fine apart from one,  which has
a pi2, picoreplayer & Hifiberry Amp+.  Other h/w players seem fine, as
do other pi based players.  On the one that doesn't work, it's streaming
other content fine - e.g. local music, TIDAL, other internet radio
services.  When I try and play bbc, it picks up the channel information
and bit rate - just no sound.  Really strange.  If I just tell the
player in the next room to play the same content, that works fine.  Any
ideas where to start?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-26 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 psketch
 
 Attached is a VS5 build of socketwrapper with the safety watchdog
 facility disabled.  This is not a solution but to be used to see if the
 safety watchdog is causing the problem.
 
 The file is zipped so after unzipping - check that it runs from a
 command prompt as it is a VS5 build and works on W7 but am not sure if
 compatibility libraries are on your version of Windows.

Seems to not have made any difference - sorry, been out today and just
got back.  Any particular logs you'd like?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-25 Thread psketch

Hi All

I'm not sure if this adds any more light to the stopping problem I'm
seeing, but i've done some more testing this morning, installed the HLS
plugin and ffmpeg, and I've found that if I play the streams directly
(non-uk version), then they play fine with no stopping.  For example

http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/nonuk/sbr_low/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8

plays fine.  So, same server, same transcoders etc., the stream will
play directly fine, but not through the 1.3 plugin.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-24 Thread psketch

castalla wrote: 
 I use a Pi B without any problems - installed squeezeplug 7.50 which
 allows you to set up LMS, etc. easily.  I guess the only drawback is
 that indexing is a little slow - depends on the size of your music
 library.
 
 I agree with PasTim about cloud storage!

Embrace the Cloud!  I must admit I worried much more about losing stuff
through drive failure than I do about big brother wanting to listen to
my Abba Greatest Hits album ;-).  Now it's nice and safely stored
elsewhere, backed up etc..

I'll likely order a Pi2 to have a go with as it looks like even if the
IP address from the VM reports in the UK, the BBC servers still don't
like it.  Then I just have to work out how to mount a file system onto a
Pi for a report Azure cloud storage service   that'll be site to
site ipsec VPN I think - hmmm... more boxes required 



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-24 Thread psketch

utgg wrote: 
 I had a chuckle at that. As I sit here with my 2mbps
 with-a-following-wind broadband, and BT saying they have no plans but
 may think about upgrading to 'superfast' here by 2018 (to guarantee a
 minimum 2mbps...). Not that I would entrust any of my data to the cloud
 anyway...
 
 Yes, as expected the UK log you've just posted doesn't get past first
 base on the playlist file. Could you post a log of a Listen Again hls
 stream that plays please? - so I can get an idea of what does happen
 there.
 
 
 
 I think quite a few have reported transcoding is fine on the V1 Pi - at
 least for one stream at a time. The bitrate doesn't make much difference
 to the load. I've got a few Pis here, but don't use them for LMS. It
 would probably be ok with server and player on the same pi though, if
 you aren't trying to play multiple BBC streams at once. A Pi v2 should
 give quite a bit more headroom - only mentioned the B+ because it is
 being discounted.
 
 I'm still curious - are you in the UK or not?

Hi

Yes - very much in the UK.  The only reason for this non-uk issue is
that although the Azure data centre is in Dublin (which itself might
cause problems), you get an public IP address allocated from pools which
contain IP addresses registered pretty much everywhere - so it can look
like you're in Brazil quite often.  Through trial and error and use of
the capability called Reserved IP, I managed to get an IP address which
reports in the UK, but it seems like whatever method BBC uses still
doesn't like it for some reason.  No idea why as everything else I've
tried sees it as a UK address.

Log file attached is for OnDemand first, then ListenLive (Non UK), then
ListenLive UK

pete S


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-24 Thread psketch

PasTim wrote: 
 It's fascinating how different people see things.  The idea of 'My'
 music being in the cloud, managed by some corporate monster, and
 unavailable if there's a comms problem (I specialised in trying to make
 reliable systems when in IT), gives me the shivers just thinking about
 it. :)
 
 I use xubuntu, which is probably way heavier than needed, but gives me
 no grief and I can run headless with no fancy GUI.  However, not being
 familiar with how one actually operates servers in the cloud I can't
 help with that side of things.  
 
 I get LMS from http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.9, the
 debian version. Whilst LMS 7.8 can be got to work there's more work to
 do with faad updates etc for older SB devices (can you remind me what
 you have?).  So for the purpose of a simple test 7.9 should be easier.
 LMS should install itself so that it starts when you boot Linux, so
 there's little to do other than open up the web interface and do the
 usual settings.  To get just iPlayer working should then be just the
 same as you did with the windows version - select the repositories and
 plugins as per the guide you used before.  No faad changes should be
 needed.

OK - spun up a Ubuntu VM, installed 7.9 on it and it's very similar to
the Windows version - the non-UK versions plays for a few seconds and
then goes into rebuffering.  Difference is that the linux version seems
to recover from this and start playing again then stops again, then
starts again etc., whereas the windows version gets stuck.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-24 Thread psketch

PasTim wrote: 
 Assuming you have command line access:
  
Code:

  
   sudo service logitechmediaserver stop
   

  
 should work.  If not, let us know.
 
 Edit:  I also install the Server Power Control plugin from gharris. 
 This has several useful command and control options.

Yes - SSH is fine - just didn't know the cmd - Linux isn't me strong
suit...  Log file attached, which shows it playing groovesalad, then
ondemand, then live (non uk)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-22 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 I don't know what conhost is - it looks like something new since Vista
 and some sort of MS shim layer but since Groovesalad plays OK I don't
 think it is cause of problem.
 
 Since no CPU blips when using R4 - that seem to indictae that write of
 data tfrom LMS to socketwrapper's input Named Pipe are not happening.  -
 the BBCIplayer plugin has its own write routine so it looks like there
 is some subtle difference between the LMS version and BBCiPlayer but it
 may be due to  Windows Server/VM specific behaviour and handling of IO
 sockets.

FYI - the old plugin didn't give me any similar problems - has the write
routine changed between 1.2 and 1.3 - maybe that can point us in the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-22 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 How many CPU  cores does PE show for the VM ?

2 cores, which is correct for the VM



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-22 Thread psketch

utgg wrote: 
 psketch, did you say you get a very brief bit of audio from the player
 when the stream starts (couple of seconds maybe?), before the
 rebuffering occurs?
 
 If so, that means something has got through transcoding. LMS is writing
 data to -somewhere-, because of the log lines I mentioned earlier
 'Slim::Player::Pipeline::sysread (310) Wrote 32694 bytes to pipeline
 writer'. My guess is that the flood of data written to socketwrapper
 immediately after the first bit has got through to the player (about
 400KB / 30 seconds or so worth of data is written in a very short space
 of time - in some ways your server may be -too- good!) somehow
 overwhelms the transcoding processes, fills up a socket/pipe buffer or
 keeps one of the transcoding processes busy for too long (probably not
 the latter if you don't see an initial CPU blip).
 
 If there is some console debug output from socket wrapper, that sounds
 like a sensible next step to working out what is going on.

Yes, i do get a few seconds - 4 or 5 - of playback, then nothing

Any ideas of anything to try - seems like under certain undefined
conditions, something goes awry at present.  BTW, in answer to another
question, it only seems to be the live streams affected - on demand and
iPlayerExtra both seem to work fine.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-22 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 Let's start with a simple test.  Can you install the Microsoft
 Sysinternals Process Explorer on the system that runs LMS ? (see
 https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx )
 
 If so, can you set it up to display processes as process trees. Watch
 the LMS process and see what happens when you play the Grooveslaad AAC
 stream.  You should see a child process socketwrapper.exe being created
 (possibly under a cmd.exe process I can't remember exactly)  and then
 faad.exe and flac.exe processes starting up.  They shpoudl all run until
 the stream is stopped and then should all die.
 
 Now watch the LMS process and see what happens when you play a BBC
 stream - is the process tree creation the same or different (e.g.
 mulitple socketwrapper/faad/flac processes start up and shutdown often)
 compared to the Groovesalad.

That's fine.  PE is already installed.  I'll have a look this evening.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-22 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 Let's start with a simple test.  Can you install the Microsoft
 Sysinternals Process Explorer on the system that runs LMS ? (see
 https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx )
 
 If so, can you set it up to display processes as process trees. Watch
 the LMS process and see what happens when you play the Grooveslaad AAC
 stream.  You should see a child process socketwrapper.exe being created
 (possibly under a cmd.exe process I can't remember exactly)  and then
 faad.exe and flac.exe processes starting up.  They shpoudl all run until
 the stream is stopped and then should all die.
 
 Now watch the LMS process and see what happens when you play a BBC
 stream - is the process tree creation the same or different (e.g.
 mulitple socketwrapper/faad/flac processes start up and shutdown often)
 compared to the Groovesalad.

OK, so when playing on squeezelite, which seems to work OK, but doesn't
require transcoding, I see no child processes as expected.  With Radio
4, I see the socketwrapper process start, and then it kicks off 3 sub
processes - conhost, faad and flac.  Setup looks exactly the same when
playing GrooveSalad.  The difference is that with Groovesalad, every 2
secs or so, I see a blip of CPU from socketwrapper, faad and flac -
nothing on conhost.  With Radio 4, I don't see any CPU usage from any of
the processes.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-21 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 I'm not up to date on Azure (what version of Windows is on the VM ?) 
 and whether there are subtle limitations but to test AAC transcoding
 just play a AAC stream such 
 http://somafm.com/groovesalad32.pls
 
 If it plays then you know transcoding is not the issue.
 If it doesn't then then player.source debug log is essential.

OK - that seemed to play ok, so player.source log is attached.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-21 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 I'm not up to date on Azure (what version of Windows is on the VM ?) 
 and whether there are subtle limitations but to test AAC transcoding
 just play a AAC stream such 
 http://somafm.com/groovesalad32.pls
 
 If it plays then you know transcoding is not the issue.
 If it doesn't then then player.source debug log is essential.

Azure VM is Server 2012 R2.  I'll check the transcoding test when I get
home later.

Peter



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-21 Thread psketch

utgg wrote: 
 Could you try selecting debug logging for plugin.bbciplayer,
 plugin.bbciplayer.hls and network.asyncdns, and posting the resulting
 output from the server log.
 
 Since the Live streams stop so quickly, there shouldn't be that much in
 the log file, but don't leave this debug logging enabled while listening
 to the on-demand streams as there will be a lot of output.

OK - log file is attached.  This was Radio 4 - played for 4 seconds,
then went silent.  The elapsed time counter on the web gui continues to
count until about 10 seconds, then loops back to 5 seconds, up to 10,
back to 5 etc.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-21 Thread psketch

utgg wrote: 
 There is no problem with DNS or the http fetches of HLS stream data
 there - the first 5 chunks (32 seconds worth) are fetched and buffered
 very quickly, and the subsequent stream chunks continue to be fetched
 and sent into the player streaming system within LMS at the correct
 intervals, sufficient to maintain a buffer of at least 30 seconds of
 stream data. But it looks like something is wrong with the LMS player
 streaming after a few seconds, as the data is being read far too quickly
 after that initial buffering period. Additional debug logging will be
 required to see what is happening there.
 
 I presume you are using a player that requires transcoding (i.e. not a
 touch, radio or squeezelite with aac library), in which case this may be
 an issue with the transcoding system. Bpa knows best what debug logging
 helps to see what is happening there - player.source logging has been
 mentioned, but additional logging may be needed seeing as the stream
 does actually play to some extent.
 
 I presume you are using the modified faad.exe. Can you try with the
 original faad.exe version that came with LMS - we should at least
 eliminate the modified faad.exe as being any part of the problem, since
 this shouldn't be needed for live streaming.

Ah - you may have hit on something here.  I have a number of different
players.  The one I noticed this on was a Receiver(Duet).  But, I just
tried the same steam on squeezlite on picoreplayer, and that's working
fine.  Switch back to the receiver - stops after 5 secs - back to
picoreplayer - plays fine for 10 mins so far.  So - looks like you may
be onto something with your transcoding idea.  Anything you want me to
log specifically?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-21 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 If LMS is run from a command prompt window and player.source is set to
 DEBUG - then additional logging from socketwrapper appears in the
 command prompt window as well as LMS logging message. However unless
 user is is familiar with command prompt it is hard to copy the text into
 a file and I avoid asking users to try to do this.
 
 I need to think a bit on this problem to see if there is a way to get
 more info.

If you can tell me what you want gathered, I'm able to gather it for you
most likely - Windows literacy isn't an issue.

This isn't just a buffer thing I think - I can stream hi bit rate flacs
from the same server to the same player without any problems.  With
Squeezelite, I have specified a quite large buffer (8192) but that's
just to stop the occassional stutter - certainly not had this stopping
problem.  To be clear though, the log file supplied is from a Receiver. 
I can also stream other radio streams without problems - although
perhaps they don't need transcoding.  Thanks for the help - just let me
know what you'd like me to test.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-04-20 Thread psketch

PasTim wrote: 
 The BBC are using a new and relatively unusual broadcast protocol which
 may be the cause of the problems you have, which is why I've suggest the
 network and DNS checks.  
 
 Owen is suggesting that the iplayer plugin thread at
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-%28UK-only%29/page385
 is the main place to discuss issues with the plugin (even it not in the
 UK). This 'sticky' thread is aimed at just giving reliable start-up
 information to people.  If it gets too long it becomes impossible for
 people to read, so I try to keep it up to date near the front to give
 the latest info to people.

Ah - ok - I will repost over there.  From a network perspective, all's
good - everything wired not wireless, my connection is about 15Mb down
pretty solid, and the server is running on an Azure VM with lots of
capacity and good connections.  I can stream video quite happily from
the server.  Anyway - will repost.  Thanks



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-20 Thread psketch

PasTim wrote: 
 Could you try a different DNS, say Google's at 8.8.8.8?  The new BBC HLS
 protocol for live streams seems to require very frequent successful DNS
 lookups, although I'm told this can be different for the two different
 Content Delivery Networks (CDNs).

Will do



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-04-20 Thread psketch

(Reposting this from the setup thread - sorry about that)

I've just installed the new plugins and faad on Windows 64 bit server,
and the streams seem to stop after 5-10 seconds. My server is on Azure,
so is currently reporting a Dublin IP address, so BBC thinks I'm outside
UK (pain), so I'm using the not in the UK streams. faad.exe is in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Squeezebox\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
dated 20/4. LMS is 7.8.

If I leave the stream, it'll sometimes restart after 30 secs maybe, and
then stop again, so maybe a buffering problem, but I don't have any
network issues client to server - I can stream video from the server no
problem, or high bitrate flacs from my library.  If I look at the web
gui, Live channels have the problem, but OnDemand seems to work OK.


So, Listen Live seems to stop on all channels - examples are ...

BBC Radio 4
101kbps CBR, AAC SBR

BBC Radio 5 Live
101kbps CBR, AAC SBR


But, tried a couple of OnDemand, and they seem OK - although at a lower
BR

5 live Sport: The Monday Night Club: 20/04/2015
Mark Chapman with football debate with Steve Claridge, Robbie Savage
and Amy Lawrence.
48kbps CBR, AAC LC

Anyone got any ideas of what to rtry?

Thanks

pete S



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-04-20 Thread psketch

Owen Smith wrote: 
 This isn't really the right thread for problem diagnosis. This thread is
 about a particular set of fixes and their testing. Basic problem
 diagnosis (which could be largely unrelated to iPlayer) should be in the
 main iPlayer Annouce thread I would suggest.

To be fair, I think these are iPlayer update specific.  I don't have any
other problems like this one with other radio streams or playing my
music library, nor did I have these problems with the old iPlayer
plugins.  So, this does seem specific to these updates to me.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-04-20 Thread psketch

bpa wrote: 
 Outside UK stream work OK so that is not the issue unless you are trying
 to play a UK URL from a non UK IP address.
 
 Do you hear any audio or just see the timer moving ?
 
 If no audio and using a non UK URL then get a log of trying to play a
 stream using player.source set to DEBUG.

I'm hearing the non-UK streams, but after about 5-10 seconds, they fade
out - seems to be consistent across all of the channels.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-04-20 Thread psketch

I've just installed the new plugins and faad on Windows 64 bit server,
and the streams seem to stop after 5-10 seconds.  My server is on Azure,
so is currently reporting a Dublin IP address, so BBC thinks I'm outside
UK (pain), so I'm using the not in the UK streams.  faad.exe is in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Squeezebox\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
dated 20/4.  LMS is 7.8.  Any ideas?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-04-20 Thread psketch

PasTim wrote: 
 Is this true of all BBCiPlayer Live, BBCiPlayer On Demand (Listen Again)
 and BBCiPlayer Extras channels?  
 
 If using the Web GUI what do you see displayed, particularly the bit
 rate?
 
 I have realised that I am not entirely clear what level of 'On Demand'
 services are available when outside the UK - maybe bpa can comment on
 that.

So, Listen Live seems to stop on all channels - examples are ...

BBC Radio 4
101kbps CBR, AAC SBR

BBC Radio 5 Live
101kbps CBR, AAC SBR


But, tried a couple of OnDemand, and they seem OK - although at a lower
BR

5 live Sport: The Monday Night Club: 20/04/2015
Mark Chapman with football debate with Steve Claridge, Robbie Savage and
Amy Lawrence.
48kbps CBR, AAC LC



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