RE: (NF) Firewall appliance

2013-05-09 Thread Dave Crozier
We have dual Sonicwall NSA 240 units that are incredibly versatile and reliable. The range of exceptions and policies you can set up are mind boggling and the just do their job superbly. Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of David Almada

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Alan Bourke
On Thu, May 9, 2013, at 01:35 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: In use or purchased and discarded? The adoption is apparently in or around where Windows 7 was at the same stage after its release. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription

RE: (NF) Firewall appliance

2013-05-09 Thread Dave Crozier
We have dual Sonicwall NSA 240 units that are incredibly versatile and reliable. The range of exceptions and policies you can set up are mind boggling and the just do their job superbly. Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike Copeland

Re: (NF) Firewall appliance

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Copeland
Thanks for that lead, Dave! Mike Original Message Subject: Re: (NF) Firewall appliance From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 5/9/2013 2:49 AM We have dual Sonicwall NSA 240 units that are incredibly versatile and reliable. The range of

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Allen
Probably because the price was right to get people to adopt. I did on all my PC's except one that would not go. Mainly because of the price, but to keep up to date with the O/S Al -Original Message- On Thu, May 9, 2013, at 01:35 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: In use or purchased and

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Alan Bourke
On Thu, May 9, 2013, at 09:31 AM, Allen wrote: Probably because the price was right to get people to adopt. Undoubtedly - they should have stuck at that price point until this coming Christmas IMO. Also seems to be very hard to get a machine with Windows 7 on it now, if you walk into a high

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Geoff Flight
I used to be someone who upgraded everything regardless - until Vista. I LOVE windows 7 because it just damned well works! I looked at windows 8 and found I couldnt use it. I guess I could have learned all its secrets if I wanted to, but I didnt want to. I dont buy a computer to play with its OS.

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread John Weller
+1 John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Flight Sent: 09 May 2013 11:33 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1 I used to be someone who upgraded everything

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Allen
Beneath it all 8 is not much different to 7. Ok I don't like the apps. They are badly thought out and no use on desktops. But there is a desktop and that works fine. In fact better than 7 for VFP progs as the menus work better for one. Plus it's a good point that VFP prog's work on the latest OS

Re: Print A Word Document From VFP

2013-05-09 Thread Ted Roche
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Jack Skelley jskel...@newjerseydevils.comwrote: Ted and Frank: Thanks for the tips. Shellexecute still flashes Word and then the document on the screen. The effect is even worse than in automation. When I used nShowWin = 2 it appears in a smaller state but

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
+2 And - what an Excellent and truly classic line: So why do we have a tablet operating system trying to masquerade as a PC OS? :-) -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John Weller Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:43 AM +1 John

More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
I did do a quick search of the Archives - but, couldn't really find what I was looking for. I was sure that some point in the past couple years someone already asked a similar question. I'm still doing the Screen Hacking stuff for this big conversion project. So - now I wanted to be able to

RE: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
OK - this interesting. I knew that in VFP help - there are listings of VFP commands and functions - but, they are tied to help on each one - vs. just a listing. So - for the Halibut - I just went into help - found the word Functions - double clicked on it - and, it does the pop-up saying I must

Re: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Alan Bourke
On Thu, May 9, 2013, at 02:57 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: VERY Interesting - since, it produces an Array filled with EXACTLY What I need! The Fox giveth yet again. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

RE: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
The wonders of the Fox never cease to Amaze me! :-) -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:03 AM On Thu, May 9, 2013, at 02:57 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: VERY Interesting - since, it produces an

Re: (NF) Firewall appliance

2013-05-09 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 14:49 2013-05-08, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote: [snip] But, yes, I've used many of the now-defunct Linux firewall packages, like Coyote and it's derivatives...loved 'em and found them to be rock solid. This client, unfortunately, likes to give tours of his phone closet and drop

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 5/8/2013 10:05 PM, Dan Covill wrote: It works just fine, with one huge exception: there's really very little that's useful in the 'Modern' apps - they're simplified to fit on phones and small tablets. They're good for looking at pictures, starting music, and other kinds of things that kids

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 5/9/2013 8:58 AM, Allen wrote: Beneath it all 8 is not much different to 7. Ok I don't like the apps. They are badly thought out and no use on desktops. But there is a desktop and that works fine. In fact better than 7 for VFP progs as the menus work better for one. Plus it's a good point

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 14:56 2013-05-08, Dan Covill dcov...@san.rr.com wrote: On 05/08/13 12:33 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: They're being cagey about what's in it but it would be nice if they'd throw in the towel and return to a direct boot to a desktop with a Start button.

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
I beg to differ about all phone Apps only aimed at Kids. I bet Stephen will argue with you on that one. When I met him several years ago - he was gushing all about the Cool Apps on his iPhone - and he showed me a bunch too! Also - if it was all aimed at Kids - there would not be ANYTHING Near the

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 5/8/2013 10:05 PM, Dan Covill wrote: It works just fine, with one huge exception: there's really very little that's useful in the 'Modern' apps - they're simplified to fit on

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 17:42 2013-05-08, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: There was something on BBC news that Microsoft has done an about turn. No details though Yeah, there is word that early versions have leaked and they have these capabilities. But MS is refusing to say anything about it right now.

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 18:23 2013-05-08, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: [snip] I have lots of users here who regularly multi-task: They have a POP email client, web browser, Word, Excel and, sometimes, a database, accounting, billing or payroll program all open at the same time. I can see that ModernMix

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: I beg to differ about all phone Apps only aimed at Kids. I bet Stephen will argue with you on that one. When I met him several years ago - he was gushing all about the Cool Apps on his iPhone - and he showed me a bunch too!

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
BINGO Folks - what did I say! Stephen showed me how he could Scan a Beer bottle Bar code in a Bar - and, an App would tell you Exactly where you could by the same bottle (like in a Store) within your current Vicinity! Now THAT is Handy... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech

Re: (NF) Firewall appliance

2013-05-09 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 20:25 2013-05-08, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote: No no...sorry, I must insist that since I thought the price of $5k was WITHOUT maintenance, and that 5 year support plan has to be additional. I'm afraid we don't have a deal. Sorry, sir. We misspoke. Just to be sure we

Re: (NF) Firewall appliance

2013-05-09 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 20:32 2013-05-08, Paul McNett p...@ulmcnett.com wrote: Perhaps you'd be interested in the McNettWARE F23 Machine that goes ping Edition. It's $5K with no maintenance, no support, but when it blocks a port incursion, it makes a solid, satisfying Ping sound. For $1K more, the pings will have

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 03:33 2013-05-09, Geoff Flight data...@adam.com.au wrote: I used to be someone who upgraded everything regardless - until Vista. I LOVE windows 7 because it just damned well works! I looked at windows 8 and found I couldnt use it. I guess I could have learned all its secrets if I wanted to,

RE: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
Well - now it seems that the Fox has Taketh Away! The WHILE Command is not listed as a command. Problem is - it's a Control type command, while the aforementioned function allows you to get a listing of Functions, or Commands (which I used both - although you can also get listings of Base classes

Re: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Fred Taylor
Maybe because WHILE is not the command, it is DO. WHILE is just a clause to the DO, Fred On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Well - now it seems that the Fox has Taketh Away! The WHILE Command is not listed as a command. Problem is - it's a Control

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Allen
Hi Mike Yes that's about it. Sometimes the menus would miss items until the mouse went over them. Does not appear to happen in 8. Not VFP menus, usually the right click type. Al -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions,

RE: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread jerry foote
Do while and enddo are still there jerry -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:50 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands Well - now it seems that the Fox has

RE: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
Ouch - Ur right - my bad... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Fred Taylor Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:57 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands Maybe because WHILE is not the

RE: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
Actually - upon looking again - I see DO and ENDDO - but no actual occurrence of DO WHILE specifically list in the Array... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of jerry foote Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:36 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com

Re: (NF) Firewall appliance

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Copeland
Now Gene, if I wasn't sure I am wrong, I would think you were just after my money! LOL Mike Original Message Subject: Re: (NF) Firewall appliance From: Gene Wirchenko ge...@telus.net To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 5/9/2013 11:41 AM At 20:25 2013-05-08, Mike Copeland

Re: More Screen Hacking a List of VFP Commands

2013-05-09 Thread Fred Taylor
I don't see any CLAUSES to any of the COMMANDS in the array. Fred On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Actually - upon looking again - I see DO and ENDDO - but no actual occurrence of DO WHILE specifically list in the Array... -K- -Original Message-

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
El 09/05/13 13:38, Stephen Russell escribió: My apps have age requirements, over 21. Whoever said it was for kids is just fooling themselves. Most insurance companies have an app to allow you to collect data after an accident now. Waze is a great gps system that interprets others driving

RE: Print A Word Document From VFP

2013-05-09 Thread Jack Skelley
Good Afternoon Ted: Thanks for the great reply! Some really good info in those links you sent. I appreciate your input. I still can't figure out why the first doc printed is 'silent' and the rest flash the screen. It's not the splash screen as they talk about in the links but the actual

Re: Print A Word Document From VFP

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Copeland
Glad you got it working, Jack. Had another thought while reading your post... What if you release the Word object after each printed document, then recreate it (the Word object)? Maybe that would prevent the flash? I would suspect that the flash you're seeing is an opening-file dialog

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com wrote: El 09/05/13 13:38, Stephen Russell escribió: My apps have age requirements, over 21. Whoever said it was for kids is just fooling themselves. Most insurance companies have an app to allow you to collect data after an

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
Actually - I think Ricardo assumed U were using a Tablet - and that you were HOLDING It while you were driving. Unlike a regular GPS attached to like a dashboard - which I know is what you probably do w/Ur iPhone - in a Case - attached to your Dash... -K- -Original Message- From:

RE: Print A Word Document From VFP

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
Mike - that's what I figured - he was trying to print multiple Doc's in a single session of the Word Automation - and the Doc's after the 1st is causing the problem. I figured like you suggested - that he should only print 1 Doc at a Time - and do the Automation object again for each Doc. Downside

Re: Print A Word Document From VFP

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Copeland
Agreed Kurt. As for slow Word automation, you're right. But I've found that as long as end users get their precious Word and Excel documents, they're usually happy. Besides, we VFP developers are jaded by having such a fast program and interface. Every time I open Quickbooks 2012, I am

Container packing optimisation

2013-05-09 Thread Mark Dimmock
Evening all, Has anyone come across any code for working out efficient loading of shipping containers with various sizes of packages? I can easily work out the total volume of the packages and compare to the space available, but this doesn't take into account how they all fit together. I guess

Re: Container packing optimisation

2013-05-09 Thread Vassilis Aggelakos
I have worked for years on similar problems in the past, but at last I decided to use a 3dparty library from http://www.optimalprograms.com/ works nicely with VFP. Hope this helps Vassilis Aggelakos Sent from my iPad On 9 Μαϊ 2013, at 22:41, Mark Dimmock ma...@actongate.co.uk wrote: Evening

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Dan Covill
On 05/09/13 09:20 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Also - if it was all aimed at Kids - there would not be ANYTHING Near the Sales of Apps that you see today - market couldn't support it if only kids buy the stuff... I did not specify any age range for 'kids'. g Dan

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Kurt Wendt
Ouch - U get me there Dan! I know many adults with mentalities like kids. And, some of us try to keep our creative edge with playful thinking - which kids are good at! :-) -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dan Covill Sent: Thursday,

Re: Container packing optimisation

2013-05-09 Thread Michael Madigan
This sounds like an extremely complex issue.    From: Vassilis Aggelakos vassi...@gmail.com To: profox@leafe.com profox@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Container packing optimisation I have worked for years on similar problems in the

Re: Container packing optimisation

2013-05-09 Thread Fred Taylor
It is complex. When I moved from PA to AZ, a friend of mine that was a packaging engineer was in charge of fitting the various sized boxes and items on the truck. It was like a giant jig-saw puzzle. When we got to AZ, we unloaded the truck into my brother's garage because the house wasn't ready

Re: Container packing optimisation

2013-05-09 Thread Alan Bourke
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Re: Print A Word Document From VFP

2013-05-09 Thread Michael Oke, II
Hockey players don't want to see dancing cats. Now, Peter the Puck, maybe. Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 On May 9, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Mike - that's what I figured - he was trying to print multiple Doc's in a single session of the Word

Re: Container packing optimisation

2013-05-09 Thread Jeff Johnson
I used to fill trucks and box cars with appliances when I worked for GE. I did it manually based on charts they provided. Any empty spots were filled with baffles by the loaders. Probably easier than what you are looking at because our products were limited in number. Jeff

Re: Container packing optimisation

2013-05-09 Thread Nicholas Geti
In mathematics it is called the combinatorial problem. Start with one package and place it in the container then fit another against it. Then fit another package against these two. And so on. Now go back to the first package and place it in a new position and try all of the remaining

[NF] Japanese Ad for Windows 8

2013-05-09 Thread Dan Covill
This is a 1-minute YouTube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=eHhl78ximng Dan ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list:

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Ken Dibble
The last sentence of that post is profoundly discouraging: Blue advances the Windows 8 vision, said Reller. It's all about mobile, touch, apps, the new dev platform and a highly personalized personal experience. It is all about pushing the marketing vision and not really saying

RE: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Ken Dibble
There was something on BBC news that Microsoft has done an about turn. No details though Yeah, there is word that early versions have leaked and they have these capabilities. But MS is refusing to say anything about it right now. I would be willing to cut Microsoft some slack if they

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Actually Kurt I may have actually used actually too many times. But it's actually due to my bad English. El 09/05/13 16:27, Kurt Wendt escribió: Actually - I think Ricardo assumed U were using a Tablet - and that you were HOLDING It while you were driving. Unlike a regular GPS attached to

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Ken Dibble
I have lots of users here who regularly multi-task: They have a POP email client, web browser, Word, Excel and, sometimes, a database, accounting, billing or payroll program all open at the same time. I can see that ModernMix would make this easier if we have to upgrade software to a

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
El 09/05/13 21:29, Ken Dibble escribió: There was something on BBC news that Microsoft has done an about turn. No details though Yeah, there is word that early versions have leaked and they have these capabilities. But MS is refusing to say anything about it right now. I would be

Re: [NF] Japanese Ad for Windows 8

2013-05-09 Thread Ken Dibble
This is a 1-minute YouTube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=eHhl78ximng I so wanna say something about that Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

VFP on Windows 8

2013-05-09 Thread John J. Mihaljevic
Hi all, I just installed VFP 9 on my new Windows 8 machine. It appears as though the Help file installed and is in the right place, as I can see all the Help topics listed under Contents and Index, but I can't see any details of the Help text in the right window. No matter what I click on, that

Re: VFP on Windows 8

2013-05-09 Thread Michael Oke, II
Wasn't there a change in the help engine? Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 On May 9, 2013, at 6:27 PM, John J. Mihaljevic john.mihalje...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just installed VFP 9 on my new Windows 8 machine. It appears as though the Help file installed and is in

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
At 14:56 2013-05-08, Dan Covill dcov...@san.rr.com wrote: Blue advances the Windows 8 vision, said Reller. It's all about mobile, touch, apps, the new dev platform and a highly personalized personal experience. ...highly personalized personal experience. WTF!!!?!?? That alone makes me

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
No, I think you misunderstood (or I did). My comment was about Windows 8 on a computerand had nothing to do with PHONE apps. On 5/9/2013 12:20 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: I beg to differ about all phone Apps only aimed at Kids. I bet Stephen will argue with you on that one. When I met him

Re: [NF] MS to Release Windows 8.1

2013-05-09 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 5/9/2013 12:33 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: I am hoping that I can get a laptop with the touch screen and Win8 at steep discount knowing that the sweet deals M$ will put out to dumb it down to 7.5 will be right around the corner. The fact that they say 8.1 and you call it 7.5 -- I find that