Re: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
... Israel believed that, by targeting Lebanon's infrastructure, including highways, fuel depots, and even the civilian runways at the main Beirut airport, it could persuade Lebanon's large Christian and Sunni populations to turn against Hezbollah, according to the former senior intelligence official. ... I think the opposite happens in these situations... On 8/15/06, Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seymour Hersh's latest article in the New Yorker is worth a read: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact Bill [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
grids
Hi, in a split grid/browse the 'Change' pane shows a sort of roller-blinb display of the records - is there any way to make it show just one record at a time? Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
So long as they were not up to the F1 Honda standards. Cue lots of failures. bg Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Laeremans Posted At: 14 August 2006 17:46 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again Subject: Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again If only software was made along Honda standards... -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: gdi+
I copied this off the page ::mutter:: It is a blog entry of Craig Boyd's at SPS. I suggest going to www.sweetpotatosoftware.com and searching his blog for 'skin'. He supplies some routines and examples of how to do implement a vfp skin. Good hunting. -- Michael Hawksworth Visual Fox Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.foxpro.co.uk ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
From what I remember all varchars have an overhead so varchar(1) is not as good as char(1) but that said I alsways use varchar as it seems to be last problematic (don't ask why it is purely a feeling I have). -- Michael Hawksworth Visual Fox Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.foxpro.co.uk ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
C5 error
Hi Guys I am getting a strange C5 error at the moment. Basically in my data object layer I have 2 lines of code which creates a SQL command string and the other which executes it. This object works fine in other parts of the program but fails twice else where. If I run the code normally, it throws up a normal error and continues, but without creating the view. If I step through the code, then the other error is not displayed and a C5 error is shown, followed by a VFP error 'Mismatched pushjmp/popjmp call'. If I run it step by step, but then before the 'EXECSCRIPT(lcCommand)', I run this command manually in the command window, it does not C5, but then when I continue and this command is then run again, the C5 occurs. Any ideas as to what is going on? Thanks Tristan Leask Software Developer Marine Software Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.marinesoftware.co.uk -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] - Tread Mills - Different!
http://www.fugufish.org/frog/?p=38 4 blokes, 8 treadmills ... Rob Anderson Senior Software Engineer Pegasus Software Ltd, Orion House, Orion Way, Kettering, Northamptonshire. NN15 6PE. Direct Line: 01536 495205 T: 01536 495000 F: 01536 495001 W: http://www.pegasus.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] - Tread Mills - Different!
I'm thinking Playboy Playmates for the next go around. --- Beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fugufish.org/frog/?p=38 4 blokes, 8 treadmills ... Rob Anderson Senior Software Engineer Pegasus Software Ltd, Orion House, Orion Way, Kettering, Northamptonshire. NN15 6PE. Direct Line: 01536 495205 T: 01536 495000 F: 01536 495001 W: http://www.pegasus.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Fidel's Dead T-Shirts http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/1730089 Right Wing Stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike Horse Racing Photos at http://www.HorseRacingPix.com Send a message to an Israeli Soldier http://www.websense-media.co.il/has_200706/default.asp?gid=friend ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] - Tread Mills - Different!
Indeed - should be the next Eric Prydz video :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 15 August 2006 10:01 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] - Tread Mills - Different! I'm thinking Playboy Playmates for the next go around. --- Beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fugufish.org/frog/?p=38 4 blokes, 8 treadmills ... Rob Anderson Senior Software Engineer Pegasus Software Ltd, Orion House, Orion Way, Kettering, Northamptonshire. NN15 6PE. Direct Line: 01536 495205 T: 01536 495000 F: 01536 495001 W: http://www.pegasus.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Fidel's Dead T-Shirts http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/1730089 Right Wing Stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike Horse Racing Photos at http://www.HorseRacingPix.com Send a message to an Israeli Soldier http://www.websense-media.co.il/has_200706/default.asp?gid=friend [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: C5 error
Would it be possible and statement could generate a divide by zero ? Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 15 August 2006 09:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: C5 error Hi Guys I am getting a strange C5 error at the moment. Basically in my data object layer I have 2 lines of code which creates a SQL command string and the other which executes it. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: gdi+
I copied this off the page ::mutter:: site's back up now. Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: C5 error
Look for return within a do case. They cause C5's on a random basis. Now, I always exit out of the do case.. Before issuing a return. Dave Crozier The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly, and to lie about your age -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 15 August 2006 09:22 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: C5 error Hi Guys I am getting a strange C5 error at the moment. Basically in my data object layer I have 2 lines of code which creates a SQL command string and the other which executes it. This object works fine in other parts of the program but fails twice else where. If I run the code normally, it throws up a normal error and continues, but without creating the view. If I step through the code, then the other error is not displayed and a C5 error is shown, followed by a VFP error 'Mismatched pushjmp/popjmp call'. If I run it step by step, but then before the 'EXECSCRIPT(lcCommand)', I run this command manually in the command window, it does not C5, but then when I continue and this command is then run again, the C5 occurs. Any ideas as to what is going on? Thanks Tristan Leask Software Developer Marine Software Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.marinesoftware.co.uk -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: C5 error
Tristan, I know the sql won't have a do case, but look at code leading up to it. Dave Crozier The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly, and to lie about your age -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 15 August 2006 09:22 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: C5 error Hi Guys I am getting a strange C5 error at the moment. Basically in my data object layer I have 2 lines of code which creates a SQL command string and the other which executes it. This object works fine in other parts of the program but fails twice else where. If I run the code normally, it throws up a normal error and continues, but without creating the view. If I step through the code, then the other error is not displayed and a C5 error is shown, followed by a VFP error 'Mismatched pushjmp/popjmp call'. If I run it step by step, but then before the 'EXECSCRIPT(lcCommand)', I run this command manually in the command window, it does not C5, but then when I continue and this command is then run again, the C5 occurs. Any ideas as to what is going on? Thanks Tristan Leask Software Developer Marine Software Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.marinesoftware.co.uk -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Damn Liberal Judges!
Yep, that worked. Thanks. V/R //SIGNED// Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAF Data Services Manager Comm (813) 827-9994 DSN 651-9994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:56 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Damn Liberal Judges! On Aug 14, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote: Nope, no cigar, don't waste any time on this ... it isn't that important. It's no biggie - took me about 3 minutes to do. This is Python, remember? ;-) You probably got bit by word wrap. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/mdgvh -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: C5 error
One thing to look for is the error catching. An on error do something can make problems go away. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: 15 August 2006 12:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: C5 error Tristan, I know the sql won't have a do case, but look at code leading up to it. Dave Crozier The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly, and to lie about your age -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 15 August 2006 09:22 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: C5 error Hi Guys I am getting a strange C5 error at the moment. Basically in my data object layer I have 2 lines of code which creates a SQL command string and the other which executes it. This object works fine in other parts of the program but fails twice else where. If I run the code normally, it throws up a normal error and continues, but without creating the view. If I step through the code, then the other error is not displayed and a C5 error is shown, followed by a VFP error 'Mismatched pushjmp/popjmp call'. If I run it step by step, but then before the 'EXECSCRIPT(lcCommand)', I run this command manually in the command window, it does not C5, but then when I continue and this command is then run again, the C5 occurs. Any ideas as to what is going on? Thanks Tristan Leask Software Developer Marine Software Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.marinesoftware.co.uk -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
Ken Dibble wrote: Because software doesn't wear out. It always does what it always did--without any upkeep whatsoever. As long as it does what people need it to do, they have no intrinsic need to replace it. In the vast majority of cases involving commonly used software applications, the reason why people think they need to replace it is because they've been lied to by software marketers who falsely claim that the new version contains something of substance that is really new and different, or because those marketers have deliberately broken the software so it won't continue to run if the user buys into their hype and replaces their OS--or simply buys a new computer and, not being particularly savvy (nor desirous of being savvy) about their options, is more or less forced by the vendor to accept a new OS. Your funny. You see a project or a client as a single sale. Others here have created verticals for an industry. Should those people be forever screwed because the initial project was fine that there is no need to upgrade? Are you saying that the people who maintain Pegasus and keep it current bad businessmen? I think your missing major parts of human nature in your premise. Human beings want change. Fashion is a key industry that proves this. Now take on the science of advertising. It's proved itself on the psychology for new and improved. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
MB Software Solutions wrote: Rick Schummer wrote: Heh, I didn't say I designed it. I cannot take any credit for anything = you are seeing with varchar involved. g but varchar is a *good* thing, isn't it? Oh wait...are you saying it's better optimized as fixed length chars? Do elaborate. Read this blurb on Char vs. Varchar http://sqljunkies.com/WebLog/odds_and_ends/archive/2005/09/12/16725.aspx Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
At 11:34 PM 8/14/2006 -0400, MB Software Solutions wrote: Because they lose an SQL Server sale presumably. Now there's possible logic I see, but with the differences between VFP and client/serverwell, it's very different. If you can afford SQL Server AND NEED SQL Server (for big dog data), so be it. VFP is great, but when you use SQL Server or MySQL or Oracle or a serious big dog rdbms, you gain so much more scalability (or at least that's what I bought). Fox tables are awesome, but there comes a point where there's a limit. Very true. But a couple other things get thrown in the mix: 1) VFP table limits are such that probably 80%+ of businesses could use them just fine 2) VFP works so well with other DB backends that MS SQL server loses its...um 'charm'. Especially when considering combining VFP's local data engine with backend servers. And remember, MS SQL Server isn't really about making a 'sale' - it's about making an umbilical chord with endless licensing fees. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Just because you can take your laptop into the bathroom...
petetheisen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, August 14, 2006 1:50 pm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Did you see how that H1-B freak was using his laptop? Why wouldn't you use it on your lap instead of a piss-covered tile floor? I'd hate to eat at his house, he probably wipes his ass with his hand too. I thought it was a female. Hi Stephen! Submitted by fritchbitch, presumably female so most likely taken in the woman's room. Certainly a small person in the pic, with manicured nails, some sort of bracelet, wearing jean shorts, brief or bikini underwear and flip-flops with no socks. I would say that a man would not be so flexible as to bend over far enough to type on the floor for very long. Thus, most likely female. Or a very *pretty* boy. Nails, legs, and tiny briefs. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
Helio W. wrote: ... Israel believed that, by targeting Lebanon's infrastructure, including highways, fuel depots, and even the civilian runways at the main Beirut airport, it could persuade Lebanon's large Christian and Sunni populations to turn against Hezbollah, according to the former senior intelligence official. ... I think the opposite happens in these situations... Israel is going for the long haul in time. I mean 5 and 10 years. As the people rebuild their infrastructure and it will take a long time in a cash strapped country. Lebanon's only real leader was tourism for a gain in their GNP. So as the people suffer over the next few years Israel is hoping that they realize that it's Hezbollah's fault for hiding in the infrastructure. This comment was on the radio week one of the conflict. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Moving question
I need to move quickly back to PA from Michigan. I've got enough stuff for a decent sized pickup truck, but I've only got a small car without a trailer hitch. My challenge: how do I get all of my stuff (again, could fit in a pick probably) back to PA in the most affordable way? -- Thanks, --Michael ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
At 12:27 AM 8/15/2006 -0400, MB Software Solutions wrote: Heh, I didn't say I designed it. I cannot take any credit for anything = you are seeing with varchar involved. g but varchar is a *good* thing, isn't it? Oh wait...are you saying it's better optimized as fixed length chars? Do elaborate. From a very general Computer Science perspective, data storage of 'variable' length fields and records requires more work from the DB engine. E.g. indexing, searching, retrieval, etc has to be concerned with End of Field and End of Record 'marks', etc. A fixed length field/record means data locations in files are a very simple calculation with no parsing of actual data. I presume this is why a lot of my VFP apps out-performed the SQL (Informix, SQL Server, Oracle) counterparts in the past. Of course, the DB Vendors are constantly trying to improve their performance. So they've come up with smart 'caching' and other optimizations to help speed up the DB functions on variable length fields/records. And, because of the additional layers being heaped on DB access (OLE DB, etc), and the general 'set' (and client/server) theory of SQL, it's sometimes hard to tell where the performance bottlenecks really are (that is, from an end-application standpoint). -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:27 AM 8/15/2006 -0400, MB Software Solutions wrote: Heh, I didn't say I designed it. I cannot take any credit for anything = you are seeing with varchar involved. g but varchar is a *good* thing, isn't it? Oh wait...are you saying it's better optimized as fixed length chars? Do elaborate. From a very general Computer Science perspective, data storage of 'variable' length fields and records requires more work from the DB engine. E.g. indexing, searching, retrieval, etc has to be concerned with End of Field and End of Record 'marks', etc. A fixed length field/record means data locations in files are a very simple calculation with no parsing of actual data. I presume this is why a lot of my VFP apps out-performed the SQL (Informix, SQL Server, Oracle) counterparts in the past. Of course, the DB Vendors are constantly trying to improve their performance. So they've come up with smart 'caching' and other optimizations to help speed up the DB functions on variable length fields/records. And, because of the additional layers being heaped on DB access (OLE DB, etc), and the general 'set' (and client/server) theory of SQL, it's sometimes hard to tell where the performance bottlenecks really are (that is, from an end-application standpoint). If you say so. VFP is case sensitive in searching. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
On Aug 15, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: You went AWOL also? AWOL is for when you are away for less than 30 days. Longer than that, it's considered desertion. Bush wasn't AWOL; he deserted. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Moving question
Michael Babcock wrote: I need to move quickly back to PA from Michigan. I've got enough stuff for a decent sized pickup truck, but I've only got a small car without a trailer hitch. My challenge: how do I get all of my stuff (again, could fit in a pick probably) back to PA in the most affordable way? Try the greyhound bus line for a quote. Few people consider them for cargo and long ago I found it cheap compared to UPS, USPS. Does your current company have real freight service, a truck that will deliver to a depot near you? Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
Ed Leafe wrote: On Aug 15, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: You went AWOL also? AWOL is for when you are away for less than 30 days. Longer than that, it's considered desertion. Bush wasn't AWOL; he deserted. Details details details. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
No, I am not saying fixed length chars is better optimized. This is a column-by-column decision for the database designer. Naturally the decision is specific to a database platform. I only have used the VFP 9 Varchar when working with cursors created with remote data. There is no benefit to using Varchar in a DBF from a space perspective since VFP is all fixed length fields. The advantages are from a behavioral aspect in a DBF and perfect when working with Varchar data on the backend (eliminates the trailing spaces in the fields when storing data in the backend). SQL backend data is a completely different world. Varchar is a very good thing when used for columns that vary drastically, or have data occasionally needing more space than common for the column. If I have data like postal code I know is always 5 or 6 characters I would make this Char. If I have a comment field where the user normally puts in 50 or so characters, but occasionally might get verbose with 100, then I might make the column Varchar(125) just to leave the user with some extra room for growth. Varchar(1) makes no sense to me, but there may be something I have missed or overlooked in my database 101 class. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.rickschummer.com 586.254.2530 - office 586.254.2539 - fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Varchar(1) ??? Rick Schummer wrote: Heh, I didn't say I designed it. I cannot take any credit for anything = you are seeing with varchar involved. g but varchar is a *good* thing, isn't it? Oh wait...are you saying it's better optimized as fixed length chars? Do elaborate. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
*If* I remember I use char(1)'s in my [non-fox] databases - that uses 1 byte as against +- 2 1/2 bytes for a varchar(1) but wtf - I haven't worried about a few bytes per record since mainframe days. Then (and now if it bothers you) we used a *bit* for most of the stuff that is now in [v]char(1)'s i.e. m/f y/nt/f 0/1... Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
At 07:32 AM 8/15/2006 -0500, Stephen the Cook wrote: Heh, I didn't say I designed it. I cannot take any credit for anything = you are seeing with varchar involved. g but varchar is a *good* thing, isn't it? Oh wait...are you saying it's better optimized as fixed length chars? Do elaborate. From a very general Computer Science perspective, data storage of 'variable' length fields and records requires more work from the DB ... Of course, the DB Vendors are constantly trying to improve their performance. So they've come up with smart 'caching' and other ... If you say so. VFP is case sensitive in searching. Well, it does depend on how you build your index/search expression eh? But I know what you mean - the SQL DBs have a ... um... what is it? Character Set definition which you can define fields as being case-sensitive or not? That's one of the optimizations I talked about. Also the article you linked talks about 'data page' design of SQL DBs. As I recall, that 'page' concept was thought up because of variable length fields/records (back in IBM and Oracle's early days). With fixed length fields/records, you don't need a 'page' concept because it's trivial to determine what parts of the data get locked. So, it does seem logical that if a SQL DB is based on 'page locking', varchar could work better than fixed char under certain conditions. Especially if the SQL DB uses a single access mechanism to get to the data. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Varchar(1) ???
On 8/15/06, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Varchar is a very good thing when used for columns that vary drastically, or have data occasionally needing more space than common for the column. If I have data like postal code I know is always 5 or 6 characters I would make this Char. If I have a comment field where the user normally puts in 50 or so characters, but occasionally might get verbose with 100, then I might make the column Varchar(125) just to leave the user with some extra room for growth. Varchar(1) makes no sense to me, but there may be something I have missed or overlooked in my database 101 class. You're exactly right. A field that always has five or nine characters makes little sense as a varchar. In theory, varchar requires more overhead. But, if any field in a record has a varying length, the implementation of data storage might mean all fields have varied start and end locations within the data record. (Perhaps the designers stuff all the fixed-column records at the front and the varchars at the end, perhaps they just use one technique for all fields even though some don't vary in size.) In some back-end-storage engines for MySQL, if any field is varchar, all the character fields are made varchar. I think this is a bit pushy: make them variable-length storage on disk, but don't annoy the database designer s. If the data engine stores nullable values as a separate bitmap as its done in VFP, a varchar(1) could actually make a bit of sense: a million rows where one value is 1 and two values are 2 and the rest are NULL would take up two million bytes as a fixed length field (one for the character, one for NULL bitmap) but only one-million-three bytes as a varchar (assuming the same storage of start, end and length for both methods). But I doubt it's a situation a lot of data storage engine designers optimize for s. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: VFP Keyword Jeopardy (46)
I would have never guessed that one. Tracy -Original Message- From: Bill Anderson Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: VFP Keyword Jeopardy (46) STROKE ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] fool me once?
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Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:34 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Now there's possible logic I see, but with the differences between VFP and client/serverwell, it's very different. If you can afford SQL Server AND NEED SQL Server (for big dog data), so be it. VFP is great, but when you use SQL Server or MySQL or Oracle or a serious big dog rdbms, you gain so much more scalability (or at least that's what I bought). Fox tables are awesome, but there comes a point where there's a limit. The catch, of course, is that they make it easy to develop SQL Server apps in VB or C#. So you get a Visual Studio sale, and all its licensing, along with the SQL Server licenses. VFP works just as easily with non-Microsoft databases, so that's a double whammy: loss of both VS and MSS license sales. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:50:06 -0400, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The catch, of course, is that they make it easy to develop SQL Server apps in VB or C#. So you get a Visual Studio sale, and all its licensing, along with the SQL Server licenses. VFP works just as easily with non-Microsoft databases, so that's a double whammy: loss of both VS and MSS license sales. There's always the alternative of using open source SharpDevelop (http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/) instead of VS, for WinForms apps at any rate. You could use SQL Server Express for the database for 10 users. But you're right - VS2005 is heavily SQL Server-centric when it comes to easy data layer stuff - you can certainly use other database backends but you'll be doing a lot more hand-rolling of data layer. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
On Aug 15, 2006, at 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The catch, of course, is that they make it easy to develop SQL Server apps in VB or C#. So you get a Visual Studio sale, and all its licensing, along with the SQL Server licenses. VFP works just as easily with non-Microsoft databases, so that's a double whammy: loss of both VS and MSS license sales. What kind of nonsense is that? Do you sell a VFP license with your app? I don't sell the design tools, just the final product. We're not talking about what *I* sell or what *I* market; we were talking about Microsoft, remember? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] What kind of nonsense is that? Do you sell a VFP license with your app? I don't sell the design tools, just the final product. We're not talking about what *I* sell or what *I* market; we were talking about Microsoft, remember? The people who pay for SQL Server license fees are the ones who own production systems. Dev shops depending on size, and I am just following the general audience here, would not be paying for any of these licenses. Your clients on the other hand are the ones who have to pay. As they should for use of the services that perform in their business. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
On Aug 15, 2006, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're not talking about what *I* sell or what *I* market; we were talking about Microsoft, remember? The people who pay for SQL Server license fees are the ones who own production systems. Dev shops depending on size, and I am just following the general audience here, would not be paying for any of these licenses. Your clients on the other hand are the ones who have to pay. As they should for use of the services that perform in their business. Wow, did you just walk into the middle of this thread? The discussion was about the claim that Microsoft loses $$ for every copy of VFP that they sell. I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sure doesn't tie into this thread. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, did you just walk into the middle of this thread? The discussion was about the claim that Microsoft loses $$ for every copy of VFP that they sell. I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sure doesn't tie into this thread. I guess that I mised that prat of the thread. It's been a while since Turbo Delphi ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
I believe there's an similarity (superficial and crude of course but IMO somewhat valid) between what happens in Brazil and what happens in Lebanon. In Brazil the organized crime oppress AND helps poor people (substituting many state's functions) and everytime the police strikes heavily these poor and innocent people suffer from state's violence, on and on and on again. But the criminals are the ones in direct contact with those people in the day to day reality, living amongst them. It's easy for that people to think that their real enemy is the government (only present in crime repression operations), not the drug dealers. I think the lebanese people are by now so drenched in hatred after seeing bombs falling everywhere due to Israel disproportional reaction that they can only think in short term and about revenge. On 8/15/06, Stephen the Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helio W. wrote: ... Israel believed that, by targeting Lebanon's infrastructure, including highways, fuel depots, and even the civilian runways at the main Beirut airport, it could persuade Lebanon's large Christian and Sunni populations to turn against Hezbollah, according to the former senior intelligence official. ... I think the opposite happens in these situations... Israel is going for the long haul in time. I mean 5 and 10 years. As the people rebuild their infrastructure and it will take a long time in a cash strapped country. Lebanon's only real leader was tourism for a gain in their GNP. So as the people suffer over the next few years Israel is hoping that they realize that it's Hezbollah's fault for hiding in the infrastructure. This comment was on the radio week one of the conflict. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
From: Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe there's an similarity (superficial and crude of course but IMO somewhat valid) between what happens in Brazil and what happens in Lebanon. In Brazil the organized crime oppress AND helps poor people (substituting many state's functions) and everytime the police strikes heavily these poor and innocent people suffer from state's violence, on and on and on again. But the criminals are the ones in direct contact with those people in the day to day reality, living amongst them. It's easy for that people to think that their real enemy is the government (only present in crime repression operations), not the drug dealers. I think the lebanese people are by now so drenched in hatred after seeing bombs falling everywhere due to Israel disproportional reaction that they can only think in short term and about revenge. I agree with you that in the short term the people feel united with Hezbollahh, but over the next couple of years the people will see through the affliction and find out that Hezbolla is only interested in it's own way of life. that any who look or talk differently will be severely dealt with. Many people say follow the money and that will certainly come true in the next 3 years of any rebuilding effort to southern Lebanon. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: gdi+
OK I got a 'proof of concept' form working without gdi+ - I used a bit of sleight of hand shown below: (apologies to those for whom it's old hat) * substitute your names for vars * Type the following three lines in command window with Ctl+Enter at end of each line PUBLIC oForm as form CREATE FORM yourformname nowait oForm=_SCREEN.ActiveForm *select all three lines and hit enter * continue in Command win oForm.ADDOBJECT(image1,image) oI=oForm.image1 oI.picture= GETPICT(,Choose Image file) oI.stretch=1 oI.width = oForm.width oI.height = oForm.height oForm.scrollbars=3 oForm.saveasclass(YourImgFormClass,YourImgForm) oForm.release may not oForm=null be necessary * close the form CREATE FORM test1 as YourImgForm FROM YourImgformclass * continue editing in the designer If you know a better way of subclassing .scx's please share it. Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
Nah, these people are too stupid. One of my clients is from LEbanon, and he said his home town was being spared because it was all Christian. He said even though the town was spared, the people in the town were siding with hezbollah. They couldn't make the connection between why they were being spared was because they were Christian. --- Stephen the Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helio W. wrote: ... Israel believed that, by targeting Lebanon's infrastructure, including highways, fuel depots, and even the civilian runways at the main Beirut airport, it could persuade Lebanon's large Christian and Sunni populations to turn against Hezbollah, according to the former senior intelligence official. ... I think the opposite happens in these situations... Israel is going for the long haul in time. I mean 5 and 10 years. As the people rebuild their infrastructure and it will take a long time in a cash strapped country. Lebanon's only real leader was tourism for a gain in their GNP. So as the people suffer over the next few years Israel is hoping that they realize that it's Hezbollah's fault for hiding in the infrastructure. This comment was on the radio week one of the conflict. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
Dispoportionate reaction? I'm glad you're not protecting me. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe there's an similarity (superficial and crude of course but IMO somewhat valid) between what happens in Brazil and what happens in Lebanon. In Brazil the organized crime oppress AND helps poor people (substituting many state's functions) and everytime the police strikes heavily these poor and innocent people suffer from state's violence, on and on and on again. But the criminals are the ones in direct contact with those people in the day to day reality, living amongst them. It's easy for that people to think that their real enemy is the government (only present in crime repression operations), not the drug dealers. I think the lebanese people are by now so drenched in hatred after seeing bombs falling everywhere due to Israel disproportional reaction that they can only think in short term and about revenge. On 8/15/06, Stephen the Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helio W. wrote: ... Israel believed that, by targeting Lebanon's infrastructure, including highways, fuel depots, and even the civilian runways at the main Beirut airport, it could persuade Lebanon's large Christian and Sunni populations to turn against Hezbollah, according to the former senior intelligence official. ... I think the opposite happens in these situations... Israel is going for the long haul in time. I mean 5 and 10 years. As the people rebuild their infrastructure and it will take a long time in a cash strapped country. Lebanon's only real leader was tourism for a gain in their GNP. So as the people suffer over the next few years Israel is hoping that they realize that it's Hezbollah's fault for hiding in the infrastructure. This comment was on the radio week one of the conflict. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Whose side anyway?
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[OT] the new fighters!
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[OT] wag the dog?
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[OT] different POV
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Re: [OT] wag the dog?
Republicans GREEN! --- Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cagle.com/working/060811/darkow.gif Stephen Russell DBA / Developer Electracash, Inc. 5100 Poplar Ave. Suite 2518 Memphis, Tennessee 38137 1-901-684-0348 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.electracash.com The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Fidel's Dead T-Shirts http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/1730089 Right Wing Stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike Horse Racing Photos at http://www.HorseRacingPix.com Send a message to an Israeli Soldier http://www.websense-media.co.il/has_200706/default.asp?gid=friend ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
I hope you're right Stephen, but I think Hezbollah will always try to manipulate Lebanese people into demonizing Israel, the same way right-wing warmongers demonize arabs in general. The source of power of these evil persons is conflict, war itself. BTW, it's not an irony the fact Arafat became a (undercover) billionaire by monopolizing oil distribution in Palestine... On 8/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe there's an similarity (superficial and crude of course but IMO somewhat valid) between what happens in Brazil and what happens in Lebanon. In Brazil the organized crime oppress AND helps poor people (substituting many state's functions) and everytime the police strikes heavily these poor and innocent people suffer from state's violence, on and on and on again. But the criminals are the ones in direct contact with those people in the day to day reality, living amongst them. It's easy for that people to think that their real enemy is the government (only present in crime repression operations), not the drug dealers. I think the lebanese people are by now so drenched in hatred after seeing bombs falling everywhere due to Israel disproportional reaction that they can only think in short term and about revenge. I agree with you that in the short term the people feel united with Hezbollahh, but over the next couple of years the people will see through the affliction and find out that Hezbolla is only interested in it's own way of life. that any who look or talk differently will be severely dealt with. Many people say follow the money and that will certainly come true in the next 3 years of any rebuilding effort to southern Lebanon. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Hersh's New Yorker article
We don't demonize Christian Arabs, or Jewish Arabs, only Muslim Arabs. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you're right Stephen, but I think Hezbollah will always try to manipulate Lebanese people into demonizing Israel, the same way right-wing warmongers demonize arabs in general. The source of power of these evil persons is conflict, war itself. BTW, it's not an irony the fact Arafat became a (undercover) billionaire by monopolizing oil distribution in Palestine... On 8/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe there's an similarity (superficial and crude of course but IMO somewhat valid) between what happens in Brazil and what happens in Lebanon. In Brazil the organized crime oppress AND helps poor people (substituting many state's functions) and everytime the police strikes heavily these poor and innocent people suffer from state's violence, on and on and on again. But the criminals are the ones in direct contact with those people in the day to day reality, living amongst them. It's easy for that people to think that their real enemy is the government (only present in crime repression operations), not the drug dealers. I think the lebanese people are by now so drenched in hatred after seeing bombs falling everywhere due to Israel disproportional reaction that they can only think in short term and about revenge. I agree with you that in the short term the people feel united with Hezbollahh, but over the next couple of years the people will see through the affliction and find out that Hezbolla is only interested in it's own way of life. that any who look or talk differently will be severely dealt with. Many people say follow the money and that will certainly come true in the next 3 years of any rebuilding effort to southern Lebanon. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Moving question
Give me the pickup city delv city and I will tell what an expedited truck rate would be for comparison Rick Quilhot Gallant Transport, Inc 877-Gallant mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Moving question Rent a truck with a trailer hitch? --- Michael Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to move quickly back to PA from Michigan. I've got enough stuff for a decent sized pickup truck, but I've only got a small car without a trailer hitch. My challenge: how do I get all of my stuff (again, could fit in a pick probably) back to PA in the most affordable way? -- Thanks, --Michael ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Good video on our current state
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Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others back again
On 8/15/06, Tristan Leask [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So long as they were not up to the F1 Honda standards. Cue lots of failures. Didn't they win last time around ? A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
Stephen the Cook wrote: petetheisen wrote: Hi Stephen! I got an early out and I wasn't connected. The connections helped get Bush into politics, but anyone could get an early out. Nearly everyone did, in fact, one way or another. You went AWOL also? Hi Stephen! Also? No one went AWOL, we got early outs, Honorable Discharge certificate and the whole other thing. War winding down and all that. Regards, Pete ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
On 8/15/06, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: You went AWOL also? AWOL is for when you are away for less than 30 days. Longer than that, it's considered desertion. Bush wasn't AWOL; he deserted. and i who thought he looked so cute in that pilot's jacket. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
Ed Leafe wrote: On Aug 15, 2006, at 8:43 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: AWOL is for when you are away for less than 30 days. Longer than that, it's considered desertion. Bush wasn't AWOL; he deserted. Details details details. Yeah, well, the difference is that while going AWOL can get you court martialed, imprisoned or discharged, desertion in time of war is a capital offense and can result in execution. Like you said: details. Hi Ed! Yeah, if he really did that. As far as I can see, the story is still another D delusion. The electorate evidently didn't believe it, Bush clearly won over hero Kerry. Regards, Pete ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
Faggot and i who thought he looked so cute in that pilot's jacket. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
yeah, and Bush didn't win either election, either --- petetheisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: On Aug 15, 2006, at 8:43 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: AWOL is for when you are away for less than 30 days. Longer than that, it's considered desertion. Bush wasn't AWOL; he deserted. Details details details. Yeah, well, the difference is that while going AWOL can get you court martialed, imprisoned or discharged, desertion in time of war is a capital offense and can result in execution. Like you said: details. Hi Ed! Yeah, if he really did that. As far as I can see, the story is still another D delusion. The electorate evidently didn't believe it, Bush clearly won over hero Kerry. Regards, Pete ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Moving question
Options.. 1) Trade your car for an older truck.. Drive your stuff to PA.. sell it and buy another small car 2) Rent a Ryder Truck with a tow behind car hauler 3) ABF Trucking has an option where they drop a trailer off at your place, you fill it up, and they pick it up and deliver it for you.. I used this when I moved from Florida to Ohio and was very reasonable.. The downfall is ABF is union so they wont pick-up/drop off on weekends.. http://www.upack.com/default.asp 4) Cheapest, but most uncomfortably.. Put your stuff in a storage building, pack your small car with daily essentials, sleep on the floor until you can go back and get your things.. :) Look into the Extended Stay hotels as an option if you 'have' to sleep in a bed. I have personally done all of these.. haha Tommy At 08:26 AM 8/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: I need to move quickly back to PA from Michigan. I've got enough stuff for a decent sized pickup truck, but I've only got a small car without a trailer hitch. My challenge: how do I get all of my stuff (again, could fit in a pick probably) back to PA in the most affordable way? -- Thanks, --Michael [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
On 8/16/06, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Faggot and i who thought he looked so cute in that pilot's jacket. A+ jml You're oh so predictable. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Progress in Cuba
http://tinyurl.com/ksqpw -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Moving question
Tommy Swift wrote: 1) Trade your car for an older truck.. Drive your stuff to PA.. sell it and buy another small car 2) Rent a Ryder Truck with a tow behind car hauler 3) ABF Trucking has an option where they drop a trailer off at your place, you fill it up, and they pick it up and deliver it for you.. I used this when I moved from Florida to Ohio and was very reasonable.. The downfall is ABF is union so they wont pick-up/drop off on weekends.. http://www.upack.com/default.asp 4) Cheapest, but most uncomfortably.. Put your stuff in a storage building, pack your small car with daily essentials, sleep on the floor until you can go back and get your things.. :) Look into the Extended Stay hotels as an option if you 'have' to sleep in a bed. Hi Tommy! The multiple trips in the car aren't going to be cheap with $3 gas. Rather obvious, call three major moving companies (North American, Bekins, Paul Arpin, Mayflower, Allied) for estimates, making it clear to the estimator that you are going to take the low shot. You would be surprised how cheap it is for what you get. I know, I drove a moving van for years, starved on those low rates. They will even move the car for you, if you like. That might be cheaper than driving it. Regards, Pete At 08:26 AM 8/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: I need to move quickly back to PA from Michigan. I've got enough stuff for a decent sized pickup truck, but I've only got a small car without a trailer hitch. My challenge: how do I get all of my stuff (again, could fit in a pick probably) back to PA in the most affordable way? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] -- Swift Boat Veterans Set Sights on Rep. Murtha
Come on, you serverd that one up for me on a silver platter. --- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/16/06, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Faggot and i who thought he looked so cute in that pilot's jacket. A+ jml You're oh so predictable. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Moonbat Alert
Stop the U.S.-Israeli War rally, San Francisco, August 12, 2006 http://www.zombietime.com/stop_the_us_israeli_war_8_12_2006/ Fidel's Dead T-Shirts http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/1730089 Right Wing Stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike Horse Racing Photos at http://www.HorseRacingPix.com Send a message to an Israeli Soldier http://www.websense-media.co.il/has_200706/default.asp?gid=friend ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
