RE: [NF] Yearly support fees vs. hourly fees

2009-04-14 Thread Jim Dettman
Gil, I have, as a direct result of some of these shakedown tactics, begun to record every call between myself and any tax authority (Fed or NY), financial institution, insurance company, or vendor. You may not be as legal as you think. While NYS does allow one party only notification that a

RE: [NF] Yearly support fees vs. hourly fees

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
Actually, I play it safe within reasonable bounds. If I am calling from a single party notification state to a different state with single party notification legislation, and I am aware of the recording being made, I am not violating either state's law, nor federal law. If, however, I am calling

[NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4146tag=nl.e539 Secure is a mindset, and not an actual state, right? Things change in the industry as well as new threats detected. How fast the vendors ;- roll with those threats. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Web and Windows

RE: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
I suppose that if I ran all the protections within Vista made available, and hung my AntiVirus/AntiMalware/AntiAnti apps onto the machine, along with both a hardware and software firewall that really tightened things down I could perhaps still be able to read from, and maybe even still write to,

Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread mike
If you really want to make your computer secure, just unplug that black cable that runs from the wall outlet to your power supply on your pc. I am fairly certain that that would make it nearly impossible for your pc to become infected with a virus! Mike Sent from my Verizon Wireless

RE: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
Unless I have a head cold and sneeze on it, at which point it could cause an infection with others... Gil -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech- boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of m...@mikewohlrab.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:20 AM To:

When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller
Warning! Warning!! Microsoft rant ahead! All who rail about M$ bashing delete this message NOW! You have been warned. It happened again. Last year, I got a nice little data conversion project which fits one of my other specialties: publishing with InDesign. So I thunk: what the heck,

RE: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Jack Skelley
Kenneth: I have been burned with a similar stuff so you are not alone and I feel your pain. I did an automation to Word 2000 out of our scouting system written VFP 6. Works great in Word 2000. Does not work well with Word 2007 on the new boxes and I simply don't have the time or energy to fix

RE: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
That sux. I have had to handle a few of these (we upgraded to Office 2007) issues as well. I know I can't hold onto yesterday/yesteryear forever, so I am learning to transition. Oh, by the way, that transition includes a lot less M$ related craziness than in the past. For End User client

[NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread KAM.covad
When we run into issues like this with the ever changing m$ garbage we try to use open office. We find that it will do the conversion in most cases. - Original Message - From: Jack Skelley To: profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: RE: When will I learn?

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2009-04-14 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
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Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, KAM.covad wrote: When we run into issues like this with the ever changing m$ garbage we try to use open office. We find that it will do the conversion in most cases. Thanks -- I wondered about trying that. Unfortunately, this client wouldn't do anything

Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Madigan
In the pre-Internet days I had a client who would unplug his modem between PCAnywhere sessions. --- On Tue, 4/14/09, m...@mikewohlrab.com m...@mikewohlrab.com wrote: From: m...@mikewohlrab.com m...@mikewohlrab.com Subject: Re: [NF] more secure or less threats? To: profox@leafe.com Date:

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Kenneth Kixmoeller ken.kixmoel...@information-architecture.com wrote: Warning! Warning!! Microsoft rant ahead! All who rail about M$ bashing delete this message NOW! You have been warned. It happened again. Last year, I got a nice little data

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Ken Kixmoeller/fh foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: On Apr 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, KAM.covad wrote: When we run into issues like this with the ever changing m$ garbage we try to use open office. We find that it will do the conversion in most cases.

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Stephen Russell wrote: Why not ask those M$ guys why they didn't offer to help you with this: I bet you could write a real quick reader of the xml to a dataset and then write that dataset's table to a VFP dbf. Maybe an hour to do it. Maybe a few hours if your doing conversion along the

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Tue, April 14, 2009 2:36 pm, Stephen Russell wrote: So you are upset that as a computer professional you were caught off guard that a major application used worldwide changed 2 years ago in particular working with your bread and butter and you just found out? Sorry to hear about that. I

Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Gil Hale RR mrgmh...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I suppose that if I ran all the protections within Vista made available, and hung my AntiVirus/AntiMalware/AntiAnti apps onto the machine, along with both a hardware and software firewall that really tightened things

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On Tue, April 14, 2009 2:36 pm, Stephen Russell wrote: So you are upset that as a computer professional you were caught off guard that a major application used worldwide

RE: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
I am not forcing Vista to do anything. It is the other way around. Gil -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech- boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:45 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] more

RE: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Madigan
It's also our fault for not explicitly telling the client not to upgrade. I've had clients upgrade before and I ask them What made you think that it would still work without checking with me first? --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Jack Skelley jskel...@mail.newjerseydevils.com wrote: From: Jack Skelley

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:41 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: how big are the XML files anyway? in kb or megs I am asking. Is there a change in layout from last years files to todays? No, I think he's justifiably upset because there was no need to take the DBF export

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM, MB Software Solutions General Account mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: Stephen Russell wrote: Why not ask those M$ guys why they didn't offer to help you with this: I bet you could write a real quick reader of the xml to a dataset and then

Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Gil Hale RR mrgmh...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I am not forcing Vista to do anything.  It is the other way around. Is there an AD or is it all a peer network? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Web and Windows

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Ken Kixmoeller/fh foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: I know it has been said many times, many ways, but __stephen, you protest *WAY* too much whenever anybody says *anything* negative about M$. --- Just for grins here:

RE: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
Very few of my clients have an AD. Most have one or more manufacturers that are now mostly web based. Any internal Servers are typically File servers, but with the Web Craze that has become so prevalent even that is beginning to diminish. Only a few have tried to use Vista, as their

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Madigan
Some people whine too much about Microsoft. If you don't want Microsoft problems, stop creating solutions using Microsoft products. --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try

Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Gil Hale RR mrgmh...@rochester.rr.com wrote: but with the Web Craze that has become so prevalent even that is beginning to diminish. -- You think that companies are retreating from the web? Now that is a funny statement. -- Stephen

RE: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
Read a little less aggressively. even that refers to internal File Servers being used at my client locations, where the manufacturers they deal with are moving deeper into web based solutions. Gil -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Michael Madigan mmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: Some people whine too much about Microsoft.  If you don't want Microsoft problems, stop creating solutions using Microsoft products. Or understand the problems and leverage that as

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Madigan
I've re-written some programs to use csv files instead of proprietary files because of these very issues. I've also gone to using Blat instead of outlook automation. --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com Subject:

Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Stephen Russell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Gil Hale RR mrgmh...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Read a little less aggressively.  even that refers to internal File Servers being used at my client locations, where the manufacturers they deal with are moving deeper into web based solutions.

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Kenneth Kixmoeller wrote: Now I know I can save it as a CSV and append it into existing structures. Or maybe I can do something better with the XML bypassing the automation. Whatever. I can still make it work. But the point is that M$ changed the rules again.

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Alan Bourke
But wait! Then he might hit the OpenOffice issue where it used to save to PDB (Palm Doc) format, but then that got taken out in a later version! Dammit, you can't win in this game! All software companies do this from time to time. On one hand they have people complaining about apps becoming

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Maybe someday you *will* learn! There is a great old David Steinberg bit about when he was called at the last minute to open a concert for Richie Havens. There wasn't an announced opening act, much less a comedian, and the audience didn't

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Alan Bourke
Wasn't it always listed as dBase3 or dBase4 file type? They never even took possession of their own name. Yes, becasue it created those format files which VFP happens to open. I wonder if you could take it back to Access instead of dbf? That's the recommended workaround, yep. --

RE: [NF] more secure or less threats?

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
Nearly all of the auto dealerships I work with and visit are about 10 years behind the curve for all but their desktop machines. There are a few exceptions, but all-in-all what they have works for their needs. Dated or not, the term File Server is exactly what I am seeing out there, as opposed

RE: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Gil Hale RR
Same here re: use of .csv file format. Clean, simple, no bloat as with larger XML files. Gil -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech- boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:40 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com

[OT] Franken wins?

2009-04-14 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody! http://www.wowowow.com/politics/al-franken-norm-coleman-court-minnesota-senator-267321 Of course, Coleman vows to appeal in the fine Al Gore tradition. Works for the Ds so the Rs can do it as well. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Vince Teachout
Gil Hale RR wrote: Same here re: use of .csv file format. Clean, simple, no bloat as with larger XML files. CSV works great, except for memo fields. One of my clients is in Risk Management, which requires a lot of narrative (memo). How do you get around that, if you export to dbf? Access?

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Sytze de Boer
There's one thing I don't understand in all this. You are a programmer and wrote a module that worked for your client. They changed the environment (upgraded Office) So you get another job and opportunity to charge again. Simple. What's the complaint -- Regards Sytze de Boer Kiss Systems

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: And if you had used Python... Further -- after I finish this project (which I'm supposed to be working on), I have a big Python book sitting right here, waiting for me to open it and begin the enlightenment process. OTOH, some part of me

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Sytze de Boer wrote: So you get another job and opportunity to charge again. Simple. What's the complaint? It is a good point, but not always that simple. My long-term customers have taken it that way just fine. In this case, this is a small customer for which

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Ken Kixmoeller/fh wrote: OTOH, some part of me (the *business* part) has this nagging feeling that I could actually get much more (or *some*) new business by drinking the cool aid once more and investing time and energies in .NET, and going with the M$ flow,

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Vince Teachout
Ken Kixmoeller/fh wrote: On the fourth hand, I think I need a beer. I like the fourth hand. That's a good hand. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list:

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 14, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: BTW, there were an awful lot of companies hiring at PyCon last month... I am just not sure that any company would have me after so many years as a generalist. I look at job listings and see a specific requirement: I say yes, I did that for

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 14, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Ken Kixmoeller/fh wrote: I am just not sure that any company would have me after so many years as a generalist. I look at job listings and see a specific requirement: I say yes, I did that for about 5% of the time. Am I a systems Architect? I think so, but

Re: When will I learn?

2009-04-14 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Apr 14, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: It was a real change of pace when I switched from consultant to employee last year, so I understand. Maybe it needs to be a separate, even off-list thread if it is too personal, but I'd love to hear your experiences: the pluses and

Re: [OT] Franken wins?

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Madigan
Coleman actually has a legitimate case, however. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net

Re: [NF] Re: When will I learn? try open office

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Madigan
The legitimate complaint is that it makes his software look less robust, which isn't right. I personally don't like re-writing stuff that worked fine even if I get paid to do it, there's something just wrong about it. * --- On Tue, 4/14/09,