RE: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
I think kids are regressing back to apes with the text language. Al -Original Message- The point is these people started out without a keyboard and it worked for them. Put one in front of them and they struggle a bit. Today's young professional doesn't really need a keyboard, they

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
So something becomes too old when Microsoft says it is? Al -Original Message- Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. +1 Until it gets taken away from us... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription

RE: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Dave Crozier
Y U fink dat M8.. 8nt nuffin rong wiv dat ... init Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 01 May 2013 07:59 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Are you ready to rumble? I think kids are regressing back to apes with the text

Re: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Alan Bourke
On Wed, May 1, 2013, at 01:49 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: Voice recognition is never going to work as an all-purpose interface for a computer, just as the mouse won't work as an all-purpose interface for a computer (no matter how much Steve Jobs wanted it to), touch-screen won't work as an

RE: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread John Weller
I think the mistake that is being made in this discussion is the assumption that it is (tablets and touch screens) OR (keyboards and mice) implying that they are mutually exclusive. I believe in horses for courses, select the best technology available for the specific task. My son has a nexus

Re: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:13 AM, John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk wrote: I think the mistake that is being made in this discussion is the assumption that it is (tablets and touch screens) OR (keyboards and mice) implying that they are mutually exclusive. I believe in horses for courses,

RE: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
They did NOT say that old programmers are better than new ones. They said that they had more wisdom. Very BIG difference. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:37 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject:

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Worse than that. You become too old to work in software (other than self employed) when Microsoft says you are too old -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:05 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: Worse than that. You become too old to work in software (other than self employed) when Microsoft says you are too old - Who listens to Microsoft? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Apparently zuckerberg and many other corporate executives. I'd bet that even your HR dept listens to them -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:52 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: Apparently zuckerberg and many other corporate executives. I'd bet that even your HR dept listens to them - You talk about age of employees by M$ being too old. Why would my HR department listen to

ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread List Administrator Account
== ProFox List Statistics April 2013 == Subscriber Count at End of Month: ProFox: 252 ProFoxTech: 158 == Total Posts: 742

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
You need to step back and look at the big picture. All of the HR departments are adopting the same set of rules. The bigger ones will lead. The smaller ones will eventually fall in line. One of these days you will quit focusing on the object and realize that if you do not know what all of the

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Like a Fine Wine... :-) -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:16 AM Aging: it's value added. :) Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish. What this could also mean is once

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: You need to step back and look at the big picture. All of the HR departments are adopting the same set of rules. The bigger ones will lead. The smaller ones will eventually fall in line. One of these days you will

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Ever heard of the HR industry, and their associations? Here is a good place to start your research. http://www.ere.net/ -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:31 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject:

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
Steve Are you now in DFW? I will be there in November Al -Original Message- Just curious how you know so much about what we do? We only have one plant in TX and it is in Ft. Worth. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread John Weller
My sister-in-law and I spent an hour and a half trying to make sense of her new laptop with Windows 8 yesterday. It ended with my brother ordering a copy of Win 7 to put on it instead! Hail the new Vista. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
A friend of mine bought one. Set up the email for him. It showed that he was receiving the emails. But they were nowhere to be found. But to be fair, click on the desktop icon, install outlook and its basically running the same as always -Original Message- From: ProFox

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
LOL If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more? I'd be building a boat or sailing it. El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: I'm trying too.. Can't find investors though... Got a million you want to invest? I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Can't say I blame you. But there are many billions of people out there going through what I'm going through and somebody has to step up to the plate Just wish it weren't me as I have neither a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of grin -Original Message- From: ProFox

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Hate to tell you this, as I can see you are in a hard spot, and you mean well. But. There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Yep, I hear you. And I know full well what you say is true. But somebody has to step up to the plate. Just got through reading an interesting article by Ron Unz. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/our-american-pravda/ I believe the system is cracking -Original Message-

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Forgot. As a very young kid (just out of my junior year in high school), I had the great fortune to work in Port Gentil, Gabon, West Africa and to live in Aberdeen scotland and las palmas de grande canaria (spelling) Canary Islands. So yes, I have seen this all my life. Guess that is why I am

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread M Jarvis
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: Yes, I'm asking for money again. I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days 7 miles a day doesn't sound all that impressive g -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA

Southwest Fox 2013 Speakers and Sessions Announced

2013-05-01 Thread Rick Schummer
Speakers and sessions for Southwest Fox 2013 have been announced: http://www.swfox.net Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days 7 miles a day doesn't sound all that impressive g Well, when you put it that way, it doesn't sound very impressive to me either. But

RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Ha ha - but, I think he meant in 10 days FROM Today... :-) -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:38 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:06

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread M Jarvis
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Ha ha - but, I think he meant in 10 days FROM Today... Thanks for the clarification Kurt -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages

RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Well - as it is - seems I read it wrong you were Right - its spread across 10 days - as Ed just confirmed. Just goes to show - sometimes how something is written - can have ambiguous meanings... -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
Just to clarify: Matt and Ed are messing with you, Kurt. (Check out the gs) Just sayin' (even though I really don't know what that phrase means.) Ken On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Well - as it is - seems I read it wrong you were Right - its spread

RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
That's why its so much fun hanging out here on this list!!! :-) -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:03 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request Just to

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Paul McNett
On 5/1/13 6:27 AM, Allen wrote: Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish.

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Paul McNett
On 5/1/13 7:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Amen When I was in vegas making 2,700 a week I had a guy ask me if I realized I was in the upper ? percent wage wise and I thought he was crazy as there were a lot making more than I was. Ten years later after studying all of the economic reports I can get my hands on, I realize he was right

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Hard to believe $75K puts us in the top 10% - since it seems like living in NYC/LI area - one can't barely get by when making $70K! :-( -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:38 PM To:

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Here is a video that came across my desk yesterday that will show the difference that some of you might be interested in. http://vimeo.com/63373007 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:40 AM To:

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Paul McNett
On 5/1/13 9:42 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Here is a video that came across my desk yesterday that will show the difference that some of you might be interested in. http://vimeo.com/63373007 That's my bike route. I drive 50 miles from Hollister to South San Jose and then cycle 8 miles up

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
What is sad is between all of us (tech types that is), we have the skills to find a way to resolve this and make it better for all. Yet we point fingers like two spoiled brats saying my side is better than your side? Took me a long time (ten years)to understand this game of musical countries and

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
If there was a visual studio for Linux I might. I'm not a python fellow however Al -Original Message- Replace Windows 8 with Windows Vista and Windows 98 and Windows ME and Windows 3.1 and the technologies that Microsoft was lagging behind in those eras. (Linux is everywhere already.

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
You can't make it better if those at the bottom don't want to bother. Al -Original Message- What is sad is between all of us (tech types that is), we have the skills to find a way to resolve this and make it better for all. ___ Post Messages

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Not sure I buy that. Unemployment in America is 23%. In spain it is what? 25% or greater. It would seem to me that these people are bothering now and a lot of them are at the bottom For instance, I have a project I've been trying to get funded that uses the following: Zoning for solar power to

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 15:46 2013-04-30, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Gene Wirchenko ge...@telus.net wrote: Ironic that this is quoted on a VFP list. ;-) Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. Which directly contradicts the study's

Re: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 16:13 2013-04-30, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 4/30/2013 5:37 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Today's young professional doesn't really need a keyboard, they have been texting for at least 10 years. Damn kids. GET OFF MY LAWN! That

Re: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 17:49 2013-04-30, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: Voice recognition should be fine in no time at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ It's not just about dictating text and having the computer type it. That's going to be reasonably fast, once one has the computer

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 17:53 2013-04-30, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: At 06:05 PM 4/30/2013, you wrote: At 15:00 2013-04-30, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 08:39 2013-05-01, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: On May 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days 7 miles a day doesn't sound all that impressive g Well, when you put it that

Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Gene Wirchenko
At 10:01 2013-05-01, List Administrator Account list...@leafe.com wrote: == ProFox List Statistics April 2013 [snip] Total Posts: 742 (Up 19.48% from March 2013) Ed, I suggest adding stats here about the number of non-[OT], non-[NF]

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread M Jarvis
That's my bike route. I drive 50 miles from Hollister to South San Jose and then cycle 8 miles up Guadalupe River through downtown by those homeless camps underneath the bridges and then up past the airport and into sprawling office parks in North San Jose packed with Mercedes and BMW's.

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I've been studying the percentages in America and comparing them against china and india. We have about 47% that are 1040 based We have about 13% that are self employed We have about 13% that are retired The remaining 23% are children and something else that escapes my mind at the moment. After

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Paul McNett
On 5/1/13 10:58 AM, M Jarvis wrote: I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Good point. I camped out one time for about 90 days on 30 acres in between contracts. Loved it But I also wonder about the girl in the video that looks like a druggie now. If she is, could that come from the destitution of having no way out when your job was sent offshore? For nearly ten years

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
Was not really referring to the USA or Spain Al -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 01 May 2013 19:28 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Not sure I

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Dan Covill
On 05/01/13 10:39 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: Have I whined^Wwritten here yet about my 16-bit utilities that do not run natively under Windows 7? Consider it done. Thank you Microsoft for breaking some of my important development tools. Believe it or not, the 16-bit utilities DO

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Paul McNett
On 5/1/13 11:39 AM, Dan Covill wrote: On 05/01/13 10:39 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: Have I whined^Wwritten here yet about my 16-bit utilities that do not run natively under Windows 7? Consider it done. Thank you Microsoft for breaking some of my important development tools.

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
I installed a dll recently and windows 8 32 bit asked if I wanted to enable 16 bit. Just said yes of all worked. Al -Original Message- Believe it or not, the 16-bit utilities DO work in Windows 7, so long as you have the 32-bit version! My mechanic runs a 20-year-old FP-DOS app I

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
A couple years ago - I read this book that was suggested by this Shrink woman I know - she raved about the book - how wonderful it was. It was quite eye opening. It was written by this woman - and growing up for the most part homeless - and that's the way her parents liked it. In the end - even

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Virgil - just curious - in regards to the comments of your's I highlighted below. You mentioned Worked at KAAW. But, I had been assuming lately that KAAW was your own organization/website - as opposed to someone else's outfit - for which you work. So - is it all of your own doing??? Again - just

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Ted Roche
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days... Well, that's not very fast... Don't go too fast but I go pretty far... g,dr -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Ted Roche
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: Yes, I'm asking for money again. I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days to help raise money to raise money for Diabetes research. And just like my ride a few months ago,

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Michael Oke, II
Keep America At Work - Virgil's own undertaking I believe. Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 On May 1, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Virgil - just curious - in regards to the comments of your's I highlighted below. You mentioned Worked at KAAW. But,

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Russell
I read that last summer. Her Dad was nuts and Mom went along for the ride. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: A couple years ago - I read this book that was suggested by this Shrink woman I know - she raved about the book - how wonderful it was. It was quite

Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 1, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: And you've reached your goal! Thank you to all of the generous people on ProFox - I knew that I could count on you all to help with this worthy cause! Of course, the goal was the *minimum*... ;-) -- Ed Leafe

SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP
I want to: SELECT ; dates, ; COUNT (amount) as CNT ; FROM data ; WHERE dates = BETWEEN(dates, dates, dates + 20) = .T. ; GROUP BY 1 ; ORDER BY 1 I also tried instead of the WHERE clause: HAVING BETWEEN(dates,dates,dates + 20 ) = .T. Each dates has

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Did I get the Title right? And - yeah - the Dad was the more Nuts. It was Definitely an INTENSE Read - Read like Fiction - yet, going into the book - you know it was Factual. -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent:

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
I figured it was as well - but, the wording he did in the posting made it sound like he was working for someone else. Sorry to speak of you in the 3rd person Virgil... Anyway - was just curious... Good thing I'm not a Cat! -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech

Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
Hmm, let's see: 742 - (60 + 287) = ?? --- Oh, that is way too hard. g I also question the premise. Sure, the list was started as a Foxpro resource. But now? Of the people still hanging on, I suspect it is more for the virtual friendships we have made. I'm surprised how many actual VFP issues

RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Richard Kaye
A Melanie quote! -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:08 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request Don't go too fast but I go pretty far... g,dr -- Ted Roche

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Ted Roche
WHERE dates BETWEEN startdate AND enddate is the canonical SQL phrase. I'm not sure it works in all versions of FoxPro. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: I want to: SELECT ; dates, ; COUNT (amount) as CNT ;

RE: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Wow Ken - your seriously Threw me into the Minority group! Yeah - I do VFP by day - although - if I truly had my way - which I hope I can do soon enough - I'd rather be doing all Rapid prototyping/3D Printer work by day! As its MUCH More fun to me - and doing 3D CG Design - than programming...

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Ted Roche
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Allen pro...@gatwicksoftware.com wrote: Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. All things made by man have numbered days. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. Which differentiates it from Microsoft Vista, Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, how, exactly? This

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
All mine. All 20,000 plus hours. The original intent was to get my name in front of people so I could get back to work. What has happened is I have heard from many of the people that are going through what I am and working together, we put together the BIG PICTURE and documented it at

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Allen
For one thing, I liked XP and 7. 8 would be ok if they had left the start menu as an alternative and left out those cruddy apps. Mail is the worse mail prog I have seen. IOS is awful too. That's why I mentioned Android and not apples do what we say OS. The point was that Android could do a lot of

Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 1, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: I also question the premise. Sure, the list was started as a Foxpro resource. But now? Of the people still hanging on, I suspect it is more for the virtual friendships we have made. I'm surprised

RE: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
OH Man - Now that was a FAST One Ed! Or - was this survey something you had been working on for a little while - and just decided to publish today? I shall look at doing the survey tomorrow during my lunch break. I look forward to see what you put into it! -K- -Original Message- From:

Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 1, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Or - was this survey something you had been working on for a little while - and just decided to publish today? It took about 5 minutes to create. Surveymonkey rocks! -- Ed Leafe

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Dan Covill
On 05/01/13 11:44 AM, Paul McNett wrote: On 5/1/13 11:39 AM, Dan Covill wrote: On 05/01/13 10:39 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: Have I whined^Wwritten here yet about my 16-bit utilities that do not run natively under Windows 7? Consider it done. Thank you Microsoft for breaking some

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Dan Covill
On 05/01/13 12:33 PM, Ted Roche wrote: Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. Which differentiates it from Microsoft Vista, Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, how, exactly? This is a pattern, not an anomaly. Terrific, Ted! Dan ___ Post Messages to:

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP
Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date,

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Kevin Cully
If this is a VFP select statement, then try this out. LOCAL ldStartDate, ldEndDate ldStartDate = DATE()-20 ldEndDate = DATE() SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, ldStartDate,

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Fred Taylor
You need an AND after your Glucos to add the additional BETWEEN condition. Fred On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the

Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Vincent Teachout
Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: I sure don't touch it much. I have several VFP apps I wrote in back in the early 90s that are still in use. Every once in a while, one of those folks asks me a question, most likely something like I can't remember how to configure a workstation. I have my own

Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 5/1/2013 3:43 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Good questions. How about we find out? http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/F3SHBB6 It will take you all of a minute to complete. I'll give it a few days and then post the results here. Done! -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions,

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
The BETWEEN a AND b syntax should work fine in VFP as it's standard SQL, and yet leave it agnostic in case you need to use it against a different backend later. As for the OP's code below: I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount);

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP
Dear Kevin: Thank you. The SELECT give the COUNT of the records for individual date. I want a rolling TotalCount for each succeeding 21 days over the entire range of the table -- about two years. I am using FPW2.6a -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP
Dear Fred: Thank you. I did add the AND. Continue to get the [unrecognize. . ..] error: *SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, Gluctmp1.date, Gluctmp1.date +

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Frank Cazabon
I don't think you can do what you are asking for unless you use a subquery. Something along the lines of this might get you going: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); FROM

RE: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Kurt Wendt
Done! -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:34 PM On 5/1/2013 3:43 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Good questions. How about we find out?

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP
Dear Frank: Thank you. The SELECT also gives the [Unrocognized Command] error: *SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); ** ** FROM Gluctmp1; ** ** WHERE ; ** **

Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: your seriously Threw me into the Minority group! I ain't throwin' nobody nowheres! Just suspectin' and askin'. Ed's survey will answer. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Frank Cazabon
Charles, Could you write a program which creates a cursor with some sample data and post it here and let us know what the expected output is and I'm sure one of us will be able to give you the working code Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: Dear Frank: Thank you.

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Dan Covill
Charles, Unless I'm missing something, you're asking for a Date 'between' itself and itself + 20. ??? The 'Between' value should be a constant. Also, why are you 'counting' the Amount? StartDate = whatever EndDate = StartDate + 20 SELECT Date, COUNT(*) from Gluctmp1 ; WHERE

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Dibble
Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. +1 Until it gets taken away from us... So something becomes too old when Microsoft says it is? Al No, it gets too old when people who drink the Microsoft koolaid, and who do things that we depend on, say it is. For

RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Dibble
A Melanie quote! Dang, you beat me. I was gonna ask him which brand new key he was singing that in. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox

Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem

2013-05-01 Thread Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP
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Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Dibble
And I'm in, putting you officially over the top... where I often can be found. :) Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this

Re: Are you ready to rumble?

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Dibble
User interfaces are very important. Personally, I find touchpads to be very awkward. Many of my mouse actions are point-and-click. With a mouse, it is simple. With a touchpad, I have to move my finger around and then move it around to click the button. (Due to my dry hands,

Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Dibble
I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very satisfying path overall. I've had a few transient periods in my life and I tend to look back at them fondly even though they were hard at the time.

RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

2013-05-01 Thread Ken Dibble
I camped out one time for about 90 days on 30 acres in between contracts. Loved it But I also wonder about the girl in the video that looks like a druggie now. If she is, could that come from the destitution of having no way out when your job was sent offshore? For nearly ten years now I've

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