Re: [PEDA] Simulation Function Block, PWLR

2002-09-30 Thread Rolf Molitor
Thomas, i did have a look at the devices PWL and PWLR. you mentioned. PWL works ok (default as a voltage type). The PWLR (default as a differential voltage type) demands a part type attribute must be a value, but i think its just a protel bug. The parameter list of the PWLR includes the %vd(pin1,

Re: [PEDA] 1020-pin BGA out-routing question (some add)

2002-09-30 Thread Juha Pajunen
Hi, I changed the footprint, 40mil pitch with 20mil pads. VIAs between SMD pad are 16mil pad and 8mil hole, we want use this because there will be more room for routing and SOLDERMASK is bigger between SMD pad and VIA (I have 4mil opening for SMD pads and VIAs are tentd or 0mil opening; which

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-30 Thread rlamoreaux
they were meatball 10/10 mostly 12/12 bds there was a giant pour on the entire top the clearance on the pour was 20 mils all the way around the pads (to make it easy and not get shorts!) they said with a big plane it is harder to etch there must be at least a bit of truth to that

[PEDA] Best settings for polygon fill on signal layer?

2002-09-30 Thread Tim Hutcheson
Hello all, I'm finalizing my PCB for first proto. Its a 4-layer board w/o internal planes but uses signal layer polygon fill on each layer for the GND, SGND, +15, -15 planes. My question today is: What considerations need to be made when selecting the polygon fill parameters, relative to the

Re: [PEDA] Best settings for polygon fill on signal layer?

2002-09-30 Thread Brad Velander
Tim, first my observations. I have always found that 45 degree polygons are a lot slower than 90 degree polygons at repouring. Since yours is completely filled I don't see where 45 degree is doing anything for you. Second, rather than using a grid matching the track width, I normally use

Re: [PEDA] Best settings for polygon fill on signal layer?

2002-09-30 Thread Dennis Saputelli
what about the question of octagon vs arcs on the pours? we use the arcs (without notable problems) for whatever that is worth they look nice anyway Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Tim, first my observations. I have always found that 45 degree polygons are a lot slower than

Re: [PEDA] Best settings for polygon fill on signal layer?

2002-09-30 Thread Tim Hutcheson
Thanks Brad. I thought the 45 degree might match up with the octagonal surrounds for the pads but if it isn't needed I'll change it. Thanks for the info. Sincerely, Tim Hutcheson Institute for Human and Machine Cognition University of West Florida 40 South Alcaniz St. Pensacola, FL 32501

Re: [PEDA] Best settings for polygon fill on signal layer?

2002-09-30 Thread Brad Velander
Dennis, Tim, I use the arcs as well, with no problems to date. I don't know if there is any optimization to using arcs or octagons. Personal preference rules here. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line)

Re: [PEDA] Simulation Function Block, PWLR

2002-09-30 Thread Thomas Josefsson
Rolf Since you have PWL working, I tried it again. The netlist generation worked without generating any errors, result for the PWL was; AU1 AT FLUX AU1PWL .MODEL AU1PWL PWL(X_ARRAY=[0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100] Y_ARRAY=[0 0.005 + 0.01 0.025 0.04 0.075 0.125 0.2 0.29 0.38 0.475]

Re: [PEDA] 1020-pin BGA out-routing question (some add)

2002-09-30 Thread JaMi Smith
Juha, First, sorry about the delay in responding, but the different time zones make it hard to keep up. Secondly, I an certainly no guru on the subject, but can only offer you a few things to think about as you approach this board, and hopefully if someone out there knows better than I, they

Re: [PEDA] 1020-pin BGA out-routing question (some add)

2002-09-30 Thread JaMi Smith
Is there an actual datasheet for the specific device you are using? Can you provide a Mfg and PN, and possibly a link? It would help alot in seeing what you need. Thanks, JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To

Re: [PEDA] 1020-pin BGA out-routing question (some add)

2002-09-30 Thread JaMi Smith
Juha, OK, I looked at the layout, and the part number device, EP1S30, and did a search on the net, and came up with ALTERA STRATIX. Yes, the LVDS is in fact controlled impedance, 100 ohm differential, or you could probably route individual lines at 50 ohm. It does appear that some of the