Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Hi Mark, You certainly jump to incorrect assumptions. I am willing to buy Winline but not from the mfg. Ideally, I am wanting to buy someone's copy that they no longer need. I am not looking for a free version. However, if someone wants to donate theirs, I will accept it. Ros At 03:51 PM 3/1/2002, you wrote: >Ros, > >I think the price of everything is too high, except my own rates!! >If you find a free (legal) solution, post it. > >Mark > > > I am afraid that you have made an incorrect assumption. I do not own > > Winline. A friend who does have it, brought his machine over and we tried > > to get my plotter going with that. I still would like to buy a version > > from someone who no longer needs theirs. > > > > I think $200.00 for a single driver is way too high for just a few plots > > that I want to do occasionally. If the dirver works - and I am still not > > convinced that it does with XP-, I may just have to bite the bullet and >buy > > it from Winline. > > > > Yes, I have considered dedicating a machine just for the plotter using an > > older version of Windows. I have a lot of machines around here but, I > > would like the ability to use this on a portable platform for special >needs. > > > > Thank you for all of your help. > > > > Ros > > > > At 05:16 AM 2/27/2002, you wrote: > > >Ros, > > > > > >In your original note you said you owned WinLine. I don't understand why > > >you would want to buy mine. If yours is 2.0 like you say, just contact >the > > >company and they should be able to upgrade you. If you really don't own >the > > >original license for Winline and you only want to make a couple of plots, > > >you may be better off going back to Win 95 on a old PC just to get the > > >plotting done. 95 supports HPGL out of the box. > > > > > >Yes, I still use mine and with no problems I might add. WinLine has been > > >one of my better investments. It just works and I don't spend time even > > >thinking about it except when someone asks how to plot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >Are you still using your version of Winline? If not, would you consider > > >selling it? > > > > > >I am only needing to plot just a few items for a few times so, it is not > > >prudent for me to buy a new plotter or version. > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Ros > > > > > > > 2.0, I believe. > > > > > > > > Why? What versions are necessary for XP? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Ros > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: > > > > >Ros, > > > > > > > > > >Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
I received two mails from Dr. Jiang (e-teknet) today - Both the same. Spam it appears to be. Surely that's a violation of the rules? Steve. -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 March 2002 22:14 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially careful, but, somehow, I got on their email list. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
Whoops, I did TOO get it. It was filtered by by junk mail filter and I didn't see it. I had to poke around in the trash to notice it. Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
I got it also. I had to come from this list because it's the only PCB related listing I post on. - Original Message - From: "Brian Guralnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. > Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially careful, > but, somehow, I got on their email list. > > > Brian Guralnick > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Ros, I think the price of everything is too high, except my own rates!! If you find a free (legal) solution, post it. Mark > I am afraid that you have made an incorrect assumption. I do not own > Winline. A friend who does have it, brought his machine over and we tried > to get my plotter going with that. I still would like to buy a version > from someone who no longer needs theirs. > > I think $200.00 for a single driver is way too high for just a few plots > that I want to do occasionally. If the dirver works - and I am still not > convinced that it does with XP-, I may just have to bite the bullet and buy > it from Winline. > > Yes, I have considered dedicating a machine just for the plotter using an > older version of Windows. I have a lot of machines around here but, I > would like the ability to use this on a portable platform for special needs. > > Thank you for all of your help. > > Ros > > At 05:16 AM 2/27/2002, you wrote: > >Ros, > > > >In your original note you said you owned WinLine. I don't understand why > >you would want to buy mine. If yours is 2.0 like you say, just contact the > >company and they should be able to upgrade you. If you really don't own the > >original license for Winline and you only want to make a couple of plots, > >you may be better off going back to Win 95 on a old PC just to get the > >plotting done. 95 supports HPGL out of the box. > > > >Yes, I still use mine and with no problems I might add. WinLine has been > >one of my better investments. It just works and I don't spend time even > >thinking about it except when someone asks how to plot. > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >Are you still using your version of Winline? If not, would you consider > >selling it? > > > >I am only needing to plot just a few items for a few times so, it is not > >prudent for me to buy a new plotter or version. > > > >Thanks > > > >Ros > > > > > 2.0, I believe. > > > > > > Why? What versions are necessary for XP? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ros > > > > > > > > > At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: > > > >Ros, > > > > > > > >Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
At 02:13 PM 3/1/2002, Brian Guralnick wrote: >Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially >careful, but, somehow, I got on their email list. Apparently for the last couple weeks a forum member, Sam Jiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has, against forum rules, been harvesting addresses for the purposes of spamming. He and his company have been permanently banned from these forums. If anyone wishes to express their displeasure, you should contact him directly. In the future, if someone suspects that a forum member is harvesting email addresses, please contact the Forum Administrator immediately. Since there is some concern, we would like to state for the record that the forum membership lists are not available to the public or to other list members. It is possible however for a potential spammer to harvest email addresses of members posting to these forums simply by subscribing and reading the addresses of those posting messages to the list. Those that participate in forum discussions can avoid being the target of spammers by posting using the web site or by using a different email account for their forum memberships. Please take further discussions on this topic to the Open Topic forum or off-line. Thank You, Forum Administrator Association of Protel EDA Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
Yep - same here. I'm wondering if this Listserv is open to allowing a request for all of the members' email addresses subscribed to it? It's a feature the administrator can turn off, and is generally recommended to be disabled these days with spam-mailers abounding. We had this same sort of problem on another mailing list I'm subscribed to. It seems like one of the first useful pieces of spammail, though, that I've received - if their prices are indeed lower for producing PCBs *and* they're a legitimate company, I can at very least use it to leverage against my normal board house's 'Lowest-Price' guarantee. :> -- Matt At 02:22 PM 3/1/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Yeah, I got it as well Brian. I wouldn't be sure where it came from, with me >possibly a couple of PCB related sources. > >Sincerely, >Brad Velander. > >Lead PCB Designer >Norsat International Inc. >Microwave Products >Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) >Fax (604) 292-9010 >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.norsat.com > >See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. > > > >-Original Message- >From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:14 PM >To: Protel EDA Forum >Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. > > > Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially >careful, >but, somehow, I got on their email list. > > >Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
I got it too! #%#$@%@!!! GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:24 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. Nope. > -Original Message- > From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:14 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. > > > Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been > especially careful, > but, somehow, I got on their email list. > > > Brian Guralnick > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
me too do we see a trend here? Dennis Saputelli > Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. > > Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially > careful, > but, somehow, I got on their email list. > -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autorouter - preroutes
At 02:05 PM 3/1/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: >2] >does 'automatically remove loops' check box have any effect on the >autorouter? I would be astonished to find that it had any effect whatever. "automatically remove loops" only affects loops being created during manual routing. It does not remove other loops, such as those created when it was off. The autorouter may indeed remove some loops, but it would be completely independent of the setting. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
At 05:13 PM 3/1/2002 -0500, Brian Guralnick wrote: > Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially > careful, >but, somehow, I got on their email list. They have sent ads to a number of lists, including [EMAIL PROTECTED] and an OrCAD list that I follow. They also joined protel-users-association, but they did not send an ad there. I have put them on moderation for the protel-users lists that they joined, but I have no control over what they do on or with the Techserv list, if they are members. It is certainly not difficult to join I also got a solicitation for fab work sent directly to me. There is a list, protel-users-ads, which would actually be appropriate for the kind of ad they are sending. It's a moderated list, to eliminate actual and completely irrelevant spam, but the intention would be to allow advertising for anything reasonably related to the needs of Protel users, such as software, fab and assembly services, etc. But they did not take the trouble to look around. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] sjiang@e-teknet.com
Hi, Just received an unsolicited advertisement (IMO spam) for PCB services from the subj-title address. No reason, as I can see, expect for my inclusion into this group. Curious, and concerned that another spammer is trying to use information gathered by subscription into this group for spamming purposes aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
Nope. > -Original Message- > From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:14 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. > > > Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been > especially careful, > but, somehow, I got on their email list. > > > Brian Guralnick > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
I also got it. -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:14 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially careful, but, somehow, I got on their email list. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
Yeah, I got it as well Brian. I wouldn't be sure where it came from, with me possibly a couple of PCB related sources. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:14 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially careful, but, somehow, I got on their email list. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autorouter - preroutes
or does it maybe mean 'lock all *locked* preroutes' ?? Dennis Saputelli Dennis Saputelli wrote: > > anyone know definitively: > 1] > if i lock preroutes and then do not check 'lock all preroutes' in the > route all dialog > what will happen? > it seems to change some of them > > 2] > does 'automatically remove loops' check box have any effect on the > autorouter? > > Dennis Saputelli > > -- -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
Has anyone else here got mail from "e-teknet"? I've been especially careful, but, somehow, I got on their email list. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autorouter - preroutes
anyone know definitively: 1] if i lock preroutes and then do not check 'lock all preroutes' in the route all dialog what will happen? it seems to change some of them 2] does 'automatically remove loops' check box have any effect on the autorouter? Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Software for Isolation Milling
Re: [PEDA] Bug report?
Thomas was referring to Place | Line, not interactive routing, and I can reproduce the problem. > -Original Message- > From: Brad Velander > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:37 AM > > Andrew or the original poster, > yes I get mm as well, as long as I have set metric measures in my > "O"ptions "B"oard Options window set on P99SE SP6. > > Brad Velander. > > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Ircha > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:02 AM > > > If I understand you right - that you mean "Interactive routing", I get > metric units on tab. > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:29 PM > Summary: 99SESP6 PCB > While manual routing in 'line' mode, the line constraints dialogue (TAB to > open), line width field always shows imperial units. > > Workaround: > > Include metric units string in the field entry box if metric units are > required, i.e. 0.3mm * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Operations on no-net features?
At 09:50 AM 3/1/2002 +, Steve Wiseman wrote: >On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > > I tested what I wrote before mailing it. I can only think of these > > possibilities: (1) Mr. Wiseman does not understand what was written and is > > therefore referring to some other command sequence, (2) his memory is > > simply faulty and he has not verified what he is claiming, (3) there is a > > bug which is not understood, or (4) his installation of Protel is damaged. > >None of the above - both of your test segments were attached to the same >net - I suggested that copper which had been on the same net _did_ respond >properly to global ops, but copper on previoulsy different nets didn't. The history of this was that Mr. Wiseman reported a possible bug. I attempted to verify his bug, and was unable, at first pass, to do so. I reported what I had done, and he responded that, no, that did not work. I had satisfied the literal description he had given of the bug, and the behavior I found did not match his description. Now, in hindsight, we know what was happening. (1) was partially true because he was indeed referring to "some other command sequence," Update being included, and more than one original net being involved. (2) is possibly true because Mr. Wiseman has not reported verifying the problem as generic, but his memory was not faulty, his report was simply not complete. And (3) was true: there is a bug which was not understood, which is really the same primitive net memory bug as previously reported. It is a net memory that does not persist through a file save. There is a principle in common law, which is to presume that testimony is true unless it is controverted. One should be very careful about assuming that two different reports contradict, often the appearance of contradiction is a sign that one or both reports are incomplete; a complete report would show the underlying unity. >Hmm - the description seems to have been as accurate as possible without >attaching the project. I do try hard to report possible bugs accurately - >it's an important issue, and since Protel normally does work, the bugs >tend to be in the less-used sections of the program. I don't think I've >called a bug falsely yet... The description was not adequate to reproduce the bug, by itself. The original description did not mention that the nets became no-net from running Update, though that might have been inferred as the most likely way in which such a No Net assigment might have taken place. The first post from Mr. Wiseman simply asked if global operations worked on No-Net primitives. The answer came back, "Yes." Mr. Wiseman then asserted, again, that it did not work. This time he gave a little more information, enough that *in hindsight*, if we remembered the net name persistence bug, was enough to identify the problem. He mentioned, "at best, I get all the features that were on the same net, or maybe that are touching... Other "no net" features aren't matched - I'm confused." Actually, I verified that net persistence bug when it was first reported, but my own memory is not so persistent sometimes It was Mr. Velander who did remember the old bug and saw the connection. Others were reporting that they *could* globally select no-net track with what might have been thought to be the same conditions; but we can now be fairly sure that the boards involved had been saved and reloaded after Update, or they had gone through a net clearing with net list reload, which also eliminates the problem, if I recall correctly. Mr. Wiseman did not "call a bug falsely." Rather, he reported buggy behavior to us without giving sufficient information to reproduce the bug. It was not necessary for him to attach the project, and, in fact, it would not have worked. I've reported bugs before, and have sent files which show the problem. But I *always* verify that the problem still exists in the file as I am sending. It's a necessary part of the process, for there is no use having someone else look at a file if, even on one's own system, it does not show the problem. Instead, I would have had him try to reproduce the bug with a simple PCB, such as what I reported. Describing the file and the operations performed on it to cause the bug to appear would have been sufficient. If not, then we could look into sharing a file, but it would be a simple file, generally not an actual job file. Sharing job files can come into play when a cut-down file does not display the problem in spite of repeated attempts, but the full file continues to display the problem even through a file save and reload. Now, not all of us have the time necessary to investigate bugs thoroughly. It was perfectly fine for Mr. Wiseman to make an incomplete report, it is, in fact, quite normal. However, the process of making a complete report -- which includes information believed from experiment to be sufficient to reproduc
Re: [PEDA] Difference between DRC-report and PCB Information
Juha, I have seen this discrepancy as well, just the other day. I don't trust the board info report simply because the DRC report and the list of violations both concur with each other. Eliminate the DRC or Violation list errors and I have never had any hidden errors show up in fabrication. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. -Original Message- From: Juha Pajunen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:57 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Difference between DRC-report and PCB Information Hi, Protel99SE + SP6 and W2K. DRC-report says that I have 12 violations in my design and Reports->Board Information says that I have 15 DRC Violations, how that can be possible? I have manually checked all violations that have marked as green and there is 12 of them.(Short Circuit between Area Fill and Pad) Can anyone tell me should I worry about this and why there is difference between those two reports? *investigation* "I figured out" how Reports->Board Information counts it's value, it counts all green "primitives" together, sum = 15, when I count those green "areas" I can get only 14??? Am I missing something or what...? Sincerely, Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug report?
Andrew or the original poster, yes I get mm as well, as long as I have set metric measures in my "O"ptions "B"oard Options window set on P99SE SP6. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. -Original Message- From: Andrew Ircha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:02 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug report? If I understand you right - that you mean "Interactive routing", I get metric units on tab. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Flipped on panel Paired Mechanical layers (ex Inversio n ...)
At 09:52 PM 2/28/2002 -0500, Mike Reagan wrote: >Y' all havent heard my response yet because e Im trying to visualize if >using one paste screen for alternating top and bottom panels will work. ( >it was the best expanation I heard yet why anyone would want to mirror a >design) Actually, it's not a particularly good reason, since it would be easiest and best to do the flipping with the photoplots. I'd think a fabricator who wants to do what printers call "work and turn" would be set up to do this with very little effort, less effort than it would be for us to make a combined PCB file. It's like step and repeat, even if we do it ourselves: it is better to do the repeating in the gerber. (If you edit the PCB later, do you want to edit all 32 copies of the board? Do you want to deal with inner layer net assignment problems -- you would need to use *only* split planes, not the default plane assignment, Protel is not set up, in the photoplot routines, for multiple copies of a board, with some flipped. And I'd not want to see the added complexity; rather, giving us a tool to easily step and repeat and flip-combine photoplots is quite sufficient, I haven't investigated trying to do this with CAMtastic.) I produce a price list for my wife's business on our copy machine. The list is printed on 8.5 x 14 inch paper (a standard size in the U.S.). The final list size is 7 x 8.5, being half of the paper stock. The front and back are placed on the same side of a sheet of 8.5 x 14 paper, side by side (I tell the printer driver that the page size is 7 x 8.5, and I make a simple pasteup with the two pages -- I could set up printing to print the whole sheet at once, both sides together, but it has not been sufficient trouble to make the pasteup to bother). I then place this original on the copier as if I were copying an 8.5 x 14 sheet, which I am Then I take the copies and place them back in the paper feed. This is a copier which turns the paper over when it copies, so the flip is automatically done. I then copy again, exactly the same, and then cut apart the price lists. This is a very common technique in printing, where it saves plates and press set-up, one gets to print both sides of the sheet with only a single press set-up and plate. Printed circuits should work exactly the same way; as long as the stackup is symmetrical and the two images are placed so that turning the panel over backs up the original in exactly the correct register, the two boards, once cut apart, will be identical in every way. Any process that works on one side at a time will save one tooling and setup cost by using work and turn. Since normally boards are panelized anyway, this process simply needs a different panelization, with half the boards flipped. If the geometry of this is difficult for anyone, take a piece of paper. Fold the paper in half. Draw a shape (any closed curve or polygon) on one-half that paper. Most of us don't have light tables any more, so lay the paper on a window with light shining through and trace the outline that appears on the other half (at this point the other side of the folded paper) of the paper. You can then unfold the paper and write "TOP" within one shape and "BOTTOM" on the other. Put this drawing, unfolded, in a copier set to copy on the same size paper at 100%. Run a few copies. Leaving the original under the platen, put those copies into the paper feed tray, and copy them again. With some copiers you will have to turn the paper over for the second run. Normally, you would turn it around the axis of the fold line you made. If the two copies don't back each other up accurately, there is one of two problems: (1) the paper needs to be turned differently when it is put back into the copier, or (2) the copier is not accurate, which is normal. But in this case the two images should be close enough that you can see the idea. You should end up with a single sheet of paper from each copy which has two polygons on it which could be cut out to make two identical copies of the shape, printed both sides. Any part of the process which involves imaging or placing something on one side at a time will save a setup using this process, as long as both sides of the board can be treated identically. That's not necessarily true for all kinds of assembly, so at the point where the handling is not symmetrical, one would cut apart the panel along the axis of image symmetry, assuming that the "top" side has been placed all on one side of the panel and the "bottom" on the other. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html *
Re: [PEDA] Flipped on panel Paired Mechanical layers (ex Inversio n ...)
> The bottom line is - some of us have legit reasons for desiring reliable > inversion of designs or sections of designs (Invert-Selection) which obeyed > all the layer pairings, kept everything in the correct relative locations > and did not leave components mirrored. > Ian, Yes it works better with business cards, good example I didnt cut my self trying to make cardboard cut outs.But my business cards worked by select all on the second panel ( including inner layers) then moved/ flipped all xIt i s paneled precisely to your explanation without addition code to the software you have that capability both in Protel and Camtastik Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Operations on no-net features?
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > I tested what I wrote before mailing it. I can only think of these > possibilities: (1) Mr. Wiseman does not understand what was written and is > therefore referring to some other command sequence, (2) his memory is > simply faulty and he has not verified what he is claiming, (3) there is a > bug which is not understood, or (4) his installation of Protel is damaged. None of the above - both of your test segments were attached to the same net - I suggested that copper which had been on the same net _did_ respond properly to global ops, but copper on previoulsy different nets didn't. > I took an old test pcb which had an 0805 footprint on it with both pads > assigned to GND. I placed track to connect the pads, then I moved the part > away so that the track was floating. Running Update left the track No-Net. > At this point, I'd ask Mr. Wiseman to describe more exactly the behavior he > thinks is a bug, because I could not reproduce it based on the partial > description he has given. Hmm - the description seems to have been as accurate as possible without attaching the project. I do try hard to report possible bugs accurately - it's an important issue, and since Protel normally does work, the bugs tend to be in the less-used sections of the program. I don't think I've called a bug falsely yet... Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Operations on no-net features?
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Ian Wilson wrote: > I have updated the Bug List to include this problem as an update to that > reported by Brad V. (Polygons pouring over entities that once had a > net). It would seem to be the same problem. Ah - I've just been and read that thread - it does seem to have the same root cause, and the same fix - save-quit-reload does the job. Cheers, Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Difference between DRC-report and PCB Information
I'd suggest fixing all 12 & see if board info goes to zero, too. (Sounds like the net is not set for your fills.) > -Original Message- > From: Juha Pajunen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:57 PM > > Hi, > > Protel99SE + SP6 and W2K. DRC-report says that I have 12 violations > in my design and Reports->Board Information says that I have 15 DRC Violations, > how that can be possible? I have manually checked all violations that have marked > as green and there is 12 of them.(Short Circuit between Area Fill and Pad) > Can anyone tell me should I worry about this and why there is difference between > those two reports? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] 3D Viewer
The board outline is defined by default on mechanical layer 4. Any other item sharing this layer is therefore treated as being part of the boundary.Move dimension lines , strings etc to say Mech 1 and all should be fine , even circular boards should be OK Hope this helps Joe Morris * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
