Re: [PEDA] PEDA] P99SE Annotation
Sounds good, blindingly obvious really, thanks.. Robert Igor Gmitrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] om.au cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] PEDA] P99SE Annotation 04-Aug-2003 12:36 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum It should work if the default designator is set int the sch library, e.g 10? for resistors or 20? for capacitors. Default designator is treated as a prefix and should not change when annotating. Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 August 2003 6:31 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PEDA] P99SE Annotation But I don't think this will distinguish between Rs, Cs, Ds, etc.. as Adeline needs. Robert Igor Gmitrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] om.au cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] PEDA] P99SE Annotation 31-Jul-2003 11:41 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum Adeline, go to Tools-Annotate(untick Current Sheet Only box)-Advanced Options and set a range for designators on each sheet in the project. We usually set top level sheet to the range of 0-99 and then child sheet 1 to 100-199, child sheet 2 to 200-299, second level child sheet 1 to 1000-1999, second level child sheet 2 to 2000-2999, etc. Regards, Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 6:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] PEDA] P99SE Annotation Hi My company uses an internal designator naming standard for schematic symbols. The standard is such that each type of component is assigned a prefix and each designator will be 4 digits long, eg. 1st resistor: 1001, 2nd resistor: 1002, 25th capacitor: 2025, 54th diode, 3054, etc. Is there anyway I can get P99SE to generate this automatically? I understand that it can only do 11, 12, etc, and not 1001, 1002, etc. Furthermore if I reset the designators, the prefix number gets wiped out as well. Thanks for answering my question. Adeline * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Analysing...
Not to beat a dead horse, but what are you using for mouse software? - Original Message - From: Choong Keat Yian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Analysing... You know , i have have my own confusion both self afflicted and for using Protel.,Since i join this company i has been told to use Protel but the fact is that it seem to me Protel's old and new version do not alleviate anything much other than cosmetic and workaround change as the main sunject matter.Imagine all the feature it got but some is quite unusable for what it intended to be,and i still didnt know why my Protel 99SE with service pack 6 still crash even thought i have 256 mb ram on a Asus board with Pentium 4 at 2.4Ghz.It happen on multiple machines both new and old and i dont think the problem is with the Nvidia's graphic engine. Choong Terry Creer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Thanks to all who answered. I think the long term fix is to rip up the 35 polys, and do it properly by laying keepouts in the right areas and using as few polys as possible. Pain in the bum, but nicer in the long run. however, I think with these suggestions, I can wing it until it can be re-done. Cheers, TC __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Analysing...
I would definitely try running Regclean to clean up your windows registry - seems to alleviate most random crashing. You can find it using an internet search. David Watling JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] bal.net cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Analysing... 04-Aug-2003 03:59 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum Not to beat a dead horse, but what are you using for mouse software? - Original Message - From: Choong Keat Yian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Analysing... You know , i have have my own confusion both self afflicted and for using Protel.,Since i join this company i has been told to use Protel but the fact is that it seem to me Protel's old and new version do not alleviate anything much other than cosmetic and workaround change as the main sunject matter.Imagine all the feature it got but some is quite unusable for what it intended to be,and i still didnt know why my Protel 99SE with service pack 6 still crash even thought i have 256 mb ram on a Asus board with Pentium 4 at 2.4Ghz.It happen on multiple machines both new and old and i dont think the problem is with the Nvidia's graphic engine. Choong Terry Creer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Thanks to all who answered. I think the long term fix is to rip up the 35 polys, and do it properly by laying keepouts in the right areas and using as few polys as possible. Pain in the bum, but nicer in the long run. however, I think with these suggestions, I can wing it until it can be re-done. Cheers, TC __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Discovery - LAN Network pasue hiccup patch.
I found a surprising fix for my Protel's occasional LAN network pause hiccups. I now use the firewall freeware version of ZoneAlarm on all of my PC on my network. - Background story: Discovered by accident, my internet connection went through a router which was set up to block all WAN ports. When my ISP went down for 2 days, I happen to notice that Protel's network pauses disappeared. When my internet connection resumed, the problem came back. Like a fool, I demilitarized 1 PC on the network, and within 5 minutes, I received my first pop-up ad. No IE, or email running, just a blank Win2Kpro system after booting. Now, the network hiccups disappeared, but I was open to viruses everything. Apparently when using my router's WAN port blocking, these pop-up adds would cause the router to lockup, who know why??? With the freeware version of zone alarm properly configured on all my PCs, all my network issues disappeared, both with and without the router's WAN port blocking. My internet also seems much faster. - ZoneAlarm's web site - www.zonelabs.com ZoneAlarm's freeware version - http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp?lid=zadb_zadown CAREFUL, not the trial version, the free version. The trial version has 2-3 added features over the freeware version, but it will die, or you'll need to pay for it. The free version works indefinitely. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Discovery - LAN Network pasue hiccup patch.
internet connection resumed, the problem came back. Like a fool, I demilitarized 1 PC on the network, and within 5 minutes, I received my first pop-up ad. No IE, or email running, just a blank Win2Kpro system after booting. Now, the network hiccups disappeared, but I was open to viruses everything. Apparently when using my router's WAN port blocking, these pop-up adds would cause the router to lockup, who know why??? With the I have heard that the NET SEND commands (or something similarly named) in NT-based versions of Windows can be a conduit for pop-up messages and all sorts of nastiness. I use a Linux server as my firewall/router. For 3 years now (kernel upgrade about 1 year ago), it works great, no hack-ins that I know of. Linux can be a bear to set up correctly, so I had it set up and configured by a local Linux guru. The only thing I have had to patch in 3 years was a security vulnerability in OpenSSH, and one in Samba. Both patches were applied proactively. The linux server also has Trend Antivirus for Linux (it's free) which scans incoming e-mail automatically, and quarantines virus-laden e-mail. I already use Mozilla (blocks pop-ups) instead of IE, and someday I will flush Outlook Express down the toilet when I find an easier, free alternative (Mozilla Mail isn't it). Sometimes I think the programmers at Microsoft must have spent the early years of their careers in Super-Happy Fun Magical Fairyland Where Everyone Loves You. It seems that many of the advances and nifty features that were developed by Microsoft were done without any suspicion that they could be used for nefarious purposes (ActiveX controls, autoexecution of e-mail attachments, HTML-encoded spam target verification, etc.), and would always run on 100% reliable hardware. To the latter point, why hasn't Microsoft ever given away a memory test utility (such as the free memtest-86, it rocks!) with each and every version of Windows? I bet many of the crashes in Windows are due to flaky, cheap, fire-sale clone hardware (I've seen this even on expensive PCs too). Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: [PEDA] Discovery - LAN Network pasue hiccup patch. I found a surprising fix for my Protel's occasional LAN network pause hiccups. I now use the firewall freeware version of ZoneAlarm on all of my PC on my network. - Background story: Discovered by accident, my internet connection went through a router which was set up to block all WAN ports. When my ISP went down for 2 days, I happen to notice that Protel's network pauses disappeared. When my internet connection resumed, the problem came back. Like a fool, I demilitarized 1 PC on the network, and within 5 minutes, I received my first pop-up ad. No IE, or email running, just a blank Win2Kpro system after booting. Now, the network hiccups disappeared, but I was open to viruses everything. Apparently when using my router's WAN port blocking, these pop-up adds would cause the router to lockup, who know why??? With the freeware version of zone alarm properly configured on all my PCs, all my network issues disappeared, both with and without the router's WAN port blocking. My internet also seems much faster. - ZoneAlarm's web site - www.zonelabs.com ZoneAlarm's freeware version - http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.js p?lid=zadb_zadown CAREFUL, not the trial version, the free version. The trial version has 2-3 added features over the freeware version, but it will die, or you'll need to pay for it. The free version works indefinitely. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Footprints for High power Snap-In type caps.
Hi, I'm looking for generic footprints for an assortment of High Power, Large can - Snap-In type capacitors. Where should I look? _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] PCB Copper thickness VS mounted rails.
I'm designing a power supply with will have a large ripple current. This power supply will be on it's own PCB and it's 1 layer. Am I better off mounting high current rails, or, increasing the PCB copper thickness from 1oz to something like 4-6oz? The power supply will be 90 vdc, continuous dc current of 4 amps, with current surges ripple current above 15 amps. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PEDA] P99SE Annotation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good, blindingly obvious really, thanks.. Robert Igor Gmitrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] om.au cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] PEDA] P99SE Annotation 04-Aug-2003 12:36 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum It should work if the default designator is set int the sch library, e.g 10? for resistors or 20? for capacitors. Default designator is treated as a prefix and should not change when annotating. No, I think it needs to be 100? and 200? to get the 1 or 2 in the thousands digit. Otherwise, yes, it should do exactly what he needs. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Footprints for High power Snap-In type caps.
I don't know of any Protel 99SE footprints for snap-in caps. I just make my own from the manufacturer's data sheet. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio, USA -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:37 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Footprints for High power Snap-In type caps. Hi, I'm looking for generic footprints for an assortment of High Power, Large can - Snap-In type capacitors. Where should I look? _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB Copper thickness VS mounted rails.
Brian Guralnick wrote: I'm designing a power supply with will have a large ripple current. This power supply will be on it's own PCB and it's 1 layer. Am I better off mounting high current rails, or, increasing the PCB copper thickness from 1oz to something like 4-6oz? The power supply will be 90 vdc, continuous dc current of 4 amps, with current surges ripple current above 15 amps. Check with your PCB vendor on how much the extra thickness of copper will cost you. Then, compare with the rails, including the cost of having the assemblers deal with it. If the 4 or 6 Oz foil will carry the current with acceptable electrical characteristics, it sounds like the best solution, unless the extra cost is prohibitive. My guess is the extra foil thickness will be cheaper than all the extra handling to assemble the whole thing. One other possibility is to make the board double sided, with 3 Oz foil on each side. This will be easier for them to etch/plate, and paralleling the high current traces on two layers gives the same resistance. I guess this won't work if this is a thermal board to be bonded to a heat sink. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB Copper thickness VS mounted rails.
The driving issue, if I understand your question, would be the current carrying capacity of the trace structures. 'Cross sectional area' is more important when higher current is involved. Also, if you have any control circuits with fine lines, you may want to steer away from very thick copper and go with wider traces for the high current lines. Very thick copper will limit the smallest trace you can make. 4 amp traces are not uncommon. The real target for your design depends a lot on what you are trying to accomplish, and for how long and for what cost... The duty cycle of the 15 amp current... if it's very short, may allow you to use smaller traces. The relatively high voltage of 90 volts will most likely be unaffected by low resistance values in thinner traces... But if the duty cycle is significant you may need to increase the copper on the board. Remember as you thicken the copper you also increase the thermal conduction of the traces, and anything you wish to solder to the copper will need a bigger heat source to get the land area hot enough to solder to. Also if it gets too hot for too long you will damage the fiberglass epoxy laminate. What you mean by 'mounted rails' is somewhat unclear to me. Are you getting copper bar stock and machining it to mount it on the board? Are you referring to 'Bus Bars' that solder into the card? Please explain.. Bill Brooks, CID -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:42 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] PCB Copper thickness VS mounted rails. I'm designing a power supply with will have a large ripple current. This power supply will be on it's own PCB and it's 1 layer. Am I better off mounting high current rails, or, increasing the PCB copper thickness from 1oz to something like 4-6oz? The power supply will be 90 vdc, continuous dc current of 4 amps, with current surges ripple current above 15 amps. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Discovery - LAN Network pasue hiccup patch.
From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Discovery - LAN Network pasue hiccup patch. Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:22:58 -0400 I found a surprising fix for my Protel's occasional LAN network pause hiccups. I now use the firewall freeware version of ZoneAlarm on all of my PC on my network. ZoneAlarm's web site - www.zonelabs.com ZoneAlarm's freeware version - http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp?lid=zadb_zadown CAREFUL, not the trial version, the free version. The trial version has 2-3 added features over the freeware version, but it will die, or you'll need to pay for it. The free version works indefinitely. Brian As far as I am aware the 'free' version of ZA is only licenced for 'home' or 'non' commercial use. At my last SW audit I had to remove it from several machines at work and replace it with ZA pro [paid] licenses. The choice is yours but i would read the SLA. Also as someone pointed out before on these lists (not me, just cannot remeber who) there is an option in the client99se.ini file for Broadcast Access Code = True/False Receive Access Code = True/False I assume setting these to false will kill the need for network traffic (if the executables take any notice of these lines in the ini anyway), unless the wise developers at Protel do not want this feature disabled, which IMO was the reason to remove the user selectable check boxes in Licencing for broadcast/receive from the earlier 99SE builds (sp3 and later). Best regards John _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Rule confusion
I need a little help. I am using DXP SP2 on a very simple pcb, but I can't set up the clearance rules to do what I require. The general clearance rule is .25mm min between all items.This is fine for most of the board. I want to set up a second clearance rule that specifies a clearance of .5mm between polygon pours and all other items. So I set a second clearance rule where the 1st object is a poly, and the second object is all, a clearance of .5mm, and priority 1. But when I pour the poly, the general clearance rule (priority 2)is followed instead. Why??? Can anyone out there assist me on this one, tell me what I'm doing wrong. Dave Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
