Re: [PEDA] Analysing...
Brian,you might be correct with my own pc but we have 4 new Asus equipped pcs when i joined this company just about 4 months ago and at that time all our pc's were nothing but Protel 99se WITH Win98 and XPs licensed version so i think there is no problem with the master boot record but anyway we switched back to Protel 2.7 and i see those other guys trembling with fear when our workload increase in near future as they will have to manual route things and for me ,i translate .pcb files to OrCAD Layout to complete the job,thats much better.Anyway,i appreciate any replies from you all so i consider this problem as taken out already althought i will appreciate any response from anyone as i am aware that this is taken sometime for this list. TQ Choong Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) You may have a boot sector virus, or perhaps some other wacky software has installed data or code in your master boot record (on the C: drive). Correct, but if you don't have fdisk, the other way to fix the MBR: Install Win right from the CD, when your are given the chance to select a drive to install on, select 'delete partition', create partition, then do a full format, not a quick one. Note: this will KILL everything on your drive. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Unacceptable Bug in Protel 99 SE SP6..!
John,it has been my interpersonal friction between me and my superior because he is still using Protel 2.7 while i am using OrCAD personally.Now our team is using Protel 2.7(imagine that) because of serious flaws in 99SE.drafting in ancient 2.7 is nice and stable althought it is not so powerful with automations so now i do a work-around mode by exporting .pcb files to be routed by OrCAD Layout and finished the job perfectly professional..,and my superior is not aware of what i am doing yet but i will do it to make him aware of what suffering is to come in our future workload if he still stick to Protel.I mean well and would still stick to the forum to see there is anything good will come out of this to make my working life more harmonious with those die hard dudes that i am working with..,so this is my story. Regards, Choong John Branthoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea how this error (bug) originally happened. It has made me loose all faith in Protel s schematic capture side. Has anyone else seen this behavior? How can I deal with this problem without checking the entire netlist before I bring it over to the PCB? Argh! Looks like it is time to start looking for a new PCB design software. Beware and good luck. John Branthoover: Electrical Design Engineer : Acutronic R D:Phone (412) 968-1051 640 Alpha Drive :Fax(412) 963-0816 Pittsburgh PA 15238 :Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] USA :WEBhttp://www.acutronic.com __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Analysing...
ASUS, all my ASUS used to crash in general until I made these 2 changes in the BIOS: Change the DRAM latch timing from 0ns to 0.5ns. Change the AGP drive strength to manual, make N P control to F F. Or, improve on the motherboard chipset heatsink. This problem only reveals itself in the warmest of summer months. AC doesn't seem to help, don't know why. Maybe it's humidity barometric pressure. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Choong Keat Yian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Analysing... Brian,you might be correct with my own pc but we have 4 new Asus equipped pcs when i joined this company just about 4 months ago and at that time all our pc's were nothing but Protel 99se WITH Win98 and XPs licensed version so i think there is no problem with the master boot record but anyway we switched back to Protel 2.7 and i see those other guys trembling with fear when our workload increase in near future as they will have to manual route things and for me ,i translate .pcb files to OrCAD Layout to complete the job,thats much better.Anyway,i appreciate any replies from you all so i consider this problem as taken out already althought i will appreciate any response from anyone as i am aware that this is taken sometime for this list. TQ Choong Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) You may have a boot sector virus, or perhaps some other wacky software has installed data or code in your master boot record (on the C: drive). Correct, but if you don't have fdisk, the other way to fix the MBR: Install Win right from the CD, when your are given the chance to select a drive to install on, select 'delete partition', create partition, then do a full format, not a quick one. Note: this will KILL everything on your drive. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Analysing...
I dont know the motherboard specs becouse its a company pc but i will try to keep this in mind and check it up for all to see. Choong Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. thing I do on occasion, is to save my PCB work in ASCII mode, shut down Protel reboot, then re-load the new ASCII version, then save as normal binary, work from there. In the past, way in the past, this would help solve crashes due to Protel's handling of invisible, or, 0 radius ACRs in the design which somehow stay in the design, even after deleting them by hand. 2. Another thing to try might be to shrink your virtual memory to 256 megabytes. The .swp file is read and written so often that you HD may have a byte or 2 which are stuck even after re-writing. This did actually happen on my 80Gig WD drive. 3. Which chipset motherboard are you using? _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Analysing...
Or, improve on the motherboard chipset heatsink. This problem only reveals itself in the warmest of summer months. AC doesn't seem to help, don't know why. Maybe it's humidity barometric pressure. What a robust design - NOT!!! I have an Asus twin-PIII mobo (CUV4X, IIRC). It works fine even when the office is hot and humid (after a weekend of not running the office A/C). Perhaps an ACPI problem? One of my regular customers just had to patch his BIOS to fix yet another ACPI problem with XP. He uses a dual-PIII, same Asus mobo I do. Asus should have an ACPI patch for it. Worth a try? A side note: I have NEVER seen a desktop PC where power management worked correctly with no bugs. I switch all those power management features off so they won't crash or hang the PC. Anyone remember Microsoft's OnNow ? It was an attempt to make PCs boot quickly, within seconds. I guess they figured out it was too difficult to get everyone to comply to the specs necessary to make it happen, so it faded away. Plus, too much cruft and fragmentation would build up in memory in the same boot session anyway, necessitating a reboot if the Blue Screen of Death didn't get you first! OnNow: an idea whose time has come. And gone... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Analysing... ASUS, all my ASUS used to crash in general until I made these 2 changes in the BIOS: Change the DRAM latch timing from 0ns to 0.5ns. Change the AGP drive strength to manual, make N P control to F F. Or, improve on the motherboard chipset heatsink. This problem only reveals itself in the warmest of summer months. AC doesn't seem to help, don't know why. Maybe it's humidity barometric pressure. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Overlay question
Is there an automatic way to remove or prevent overlay lines from being placed on pads? Thank you, Gary Allbee Alta Industrial Automation Ltd * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Analysing...
What a robust design - NOT!!! I have an Asus twin-PIII mobo (CUV4X, IIRC). It works fine even when the office is hot and humid (after a weekend of not running the office A/C). My motherboard 2. It still needed the 0.5ns delay setting for the system DRAM. Robust, or not, with the ridiculous choice in system DRAM modules, I do not blame ASUS for the need to both place a DRAM delay feature in the bios, or, the fact that I need to use it for my 2GB of system memory. I bet it wouldn't be needed if I only had only a single 512mb module installed. A side note: I have NEVER seen a desktop PC where power management worked correctly with no bugs. I switch all those power management features off so they won't crash or hang the PC. This is true, If I accidentally put the system to sleep, it will never work the same again until I re-install win2K. There seems to be no corrective work around other than re-installing the OS. However, I be the problem could be traced to Anti-Creative Labs lousy audio drivers. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Analysing... Or, improve on the motherboard chipset heatsink. This problem only reveals itself in the warmest of summer months. AC doesn't seem to help, don't know why. Maybe it's humidity barometric pressure. What a robust design - NOT!!! I have an Asus twin-PIII mobo (CUV4X, IIRC). It works fine even when the office is hot and humid (after a weekend of not running the office A/C). Perhaps an ACPI problem? One of my regular customers just had to patch his BIOS to fix yet another ACPI problem with XP. He uses a dual-PIII, same Asus mobo I do. Asus should have an ACPI patch for it. Worth a try? A side note: I have NEVER seen a desktop PC where power management worked correctly with no bugs. I switch all those power management features off so they won't crash or hang the PC. Anyone remember Microsoft's OnNow ? It was an attempt to make PCs boot quickly, within seconds. I guess they figured out it was too difficult to get everyone to comply to the specs necessary to make it happen, so it faded away. Plus, too much cruft and fragmentation would build up in memory in the same boot session anyway, necessitating a reboot if the Blue Screen of Death didn't get you first! OnNow: an idea whose time has come. And gone... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Analysing... ASUS, all my ASUS used to crash in general until I made these 2 changes in the BIOS: Change the DRAM latch timing from 0ns to 0.5ns. Change the AGP drive strength to manual, make N P control to F F. Or, improve on the motherboard chipset heatsink. This problem only reveals itself in the warmest of summer months. AC doesn't seem to help, don't know why. Maybe it's humidity barometric pressure. _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Overlay question
Gary- Protel does not provide that function in their EDA software but you can do it at the Gerber level using their CAM software. Just load your Gerber files into Camtastic and go to the 'Tools/Trim Silkscreen...' command. IMO though, its a waste of your time because most fabricators do this as a standard procedure. Some fabricators take shortcuts though, so if you do want them to do it be sure to put such a note in your fabrication drawing. Mark At 12:43 PM 8/16/2003, you wrote: Is there an automatic way to remove or prevent overlay lines from being placed on pads? Thank you, Gary Allbee Alta Industrial Automation Ltd * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
