Re: [PEDA] shift del

2003-09-02 Thread Dennis Saputelli
in the 'you learn something everyday' category ... i just tried SHIFT-DEL on a file in a DDB and lo and behold it did not put the file in the recycle bin just like windows explorer the confirm dialog (like windows) affirms the difference straw poll: how many of us ever REALLY use the recycle

Re: [PEDA] shift del

2003-09-02 Thread Ian Wilson
On 12:36 PM 2/09/2003, Dennis Saputelli said: straw poll: how many of us ever REALLY use the recycle bin (win or protel)? Me too - real delete almost always (both in P99SE and in Win). Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *

Re: [PEDA] shift del

2003-09-02 Thread Darren
Hi Dennis, I don't have confirm to delete enabled, so if I do by mistake delete a file I use undo, or may have to go to the recycle bin, I leave files there for the last month or more. Sometimes handy to get an old copy of a file. Can't remember the last time I have used it though.. Darren

Re: [PEDA] shift del

2003-09-02 Thread Alfonso Baz
On 12:36 PM 2/09/2003, Dennis Saputelli said: straw poll: how many of us ever REALLY use the recycle bin (win or protel)? Me too - real delete almost always (both in P99SE and in Win). Ian I think the recycle bin is a lot like a microwave oven... Once you've used one you wonder how

[PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread Tim Fifield
When making a panel is it best to do it in Protel or a gerber tool such as Camtastic? Tim Fifield * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * *

Re: [PEDA] shift del

2003-09-02 Thread Brad Velander
Dennis, I don't typically use the recycle bin and find it a nuisance at times. But it has also been a life saver, especially when I might first get a DDB from someone else and I am cleaning it up, you know before you understand how they arranged their files and you deleted an important

Re: [PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread Ralph Garvin
In my experience, it depends on the volume of production. If large, best to see what the pcb house recommends to get the best price... If small then do it in gerber tool in such a way to minimize setup time on the line etc etc... ralph garvin -Original Message- From: Tim

Re: [PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
Tim Fifield wrote: When making a panel is it best to do it in Protel or a gerber tool such as Camtastic? I do it with Protel. select the region, copy. paste special - array while duplicating designators and not repouring polygons. That is it. I tend the use a new pcb-file for that with

[PEDA] Prototype Assembly House

2003-09-02 Thread Yuriy Khapochkin
Could anybody recommend good place in US/Canada for ordering small prototype quantity (up to 10 pieces) PCB assembly? Personal experience especially welcome. Regards, Yuriy Khapochkin. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *

Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly House

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Reineking
Hi Yuriy, We've had very good luck with quality and quick turn around with Advanced Circuits, www.4pcd.com. I haven't done much with price comparison, though. Good luck. Tom Yuriy Khapochkin wrote: Could anybody recommend good place in US/Canada for ordering small prototype quantity (up to

Re: [PEDA] shift del

2003-09-02 Thread HxEngr
In a message dated 9/2/2003 3:12:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dennis, I don't typically use the recycle bin and find it a nuisance at times. But it has also been a life saver, especially when I might first get a DDB from someone else and I am cleaning it up,

Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly House

2003-09-02 Thread Yuriy Khapochkin
Tom, Unfortunately, I did not make it clear. I am interested in *assembly* service, not PCB itself. As for PCB, I second your opinion about www.4pcb.com. Use them a lot. Regards, Yuriy. Tom Reineking wrote: Hi Yuriy, We've had very good luck with quality and quick turn around with

Re: [PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread Brad Velander
Tim, the other responses I have seen are fine but one other issue is: how likely is it that one PCB would change? How much trouble will this cause with the other boards in the panel. I have to assume that you will keep individual copies of the PCBs for editing and changes down the road.

Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly House

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Van Dellen
Hi Yuriy, We provide quick turn high quality hand build assembly for engineer samples. We can work with supplied components or purchase small run material quantities from places like Digi-Key on your behave. Contact me off list and I can provide you with a quote. We are located in Calgary

Re: [PEDA] shift del

2003-09-02 Thread Brad Velander
Expediency and trust Steve, 1) I don't want to have to track them down to get another copy. 2) I don't trust that haven't changed something further since they passed it to me (happens all the time here). 3) I don't keep back-ups, that is MIS' responsibility

Re: [PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread John A. Ross
-Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Paneling When making a panel is it best to do it in Protel or a gerber tool such as Camtastic? Tim Depends what you want to do and if

Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly House

2003-09-02 Thread Richard Sumner
I've had very good results with Argo Transdata Corp, Clinton CT. They are quite happy to assemble quantities of 5 or 10 boards. Quality is excellent, and turn around can be as short as a week or so. I supply the boards (advanced pcb) and all parts, bom, and an ascii pcb file (they don't want

Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly House

2003-09-02 Thread Heeter Brian T CNIN
United Electronics in the Chicago area has been good to me. Their website is http://www.unitedel.com/ Good luck, brian -Original Message- From: Yuriy Khapochkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Prototype

Re: [PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread Dennis Saputelli
this method is the best set of trade offs esp good pointer is the SAVE-AS Dennis Saputelli Ian Wilson wrote: On 12:07 AM 3/09/2003, Tim Fifield said: When making a panel is it best to do it in Protel or a gerber tool such as Camtastic? Tim Fifield My preferred solution for production

Re: [PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread John A. Ross
-Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:58 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Paneling John, not sure if it was clear, I could have worded it better, but I was talking of 2 different PCBs on one

Re: [PEDA] Paneling

2003-09-02 Thread Brad Velander
Why your company does? Couldn't tell you but I know why most companies don't. Because to a bean counter there is a real and tangible cost to keeping your own assembly facility. To production there is a very real but less tangible savings to keeping your own assembly facility. A bean