Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus ensuring a trouble free 8X AGP functionality. It even more stable than my old Dual PIII 1 GHz. Also, the 2 X 120 Gbyte Western Digital HDs read write at over 100 Megabytes / second on a continuous basis. I'm sure if I added 1 card to the PCI bus, the boot time would probably double. Additional, I have successfully over clocked this motherboard to 4.1 GHz, though, I don't think it's worth the potential headaches. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I'm only using a 300 watt power supply and it takes my XP box 25 seconds to boot. (that's a joke!) Seriously though, don't install a bunch of crap on that PC or else the boot time will grow horribly. (And it may not shut down properly...sort of like this WinXP box.) Tony -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... 2 other things, It completely boots right to the XP password prompt in under 5 seconds. (I didn't think that was possible...) I'm using a 450 watt power supply. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... New PC (tested now for 1 month): Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, On board stuff: 3.6 GHz Intel CPU. 2GB DDR sdram in dual channel mode. AD1985 - on board sound card, v3630 drivers. Intel 82801ER Serial ATA raid controller with 2 x 120GB SATA WD hds. 3Com gigabit LOM (3C940) Firewire port 8 USB 2.0 ports Parallel Port Serial Port Video AGP: ASUS V9520/TD - GeForce FX5200 (not the best card for extreme high end 3D, but, the 8X agp makes Protel 99se fly.) Drivers - Nvidia direct - 53.03. Current bugs: -sharpness settings mess up after an APPLY. -custom color overlay settings are erased when you swap, or enable / disable the opposite monitor output. -monitor output #2's sync gets disrupted when you right click on the NVidia control panel icon. OS: WinXP Pro. I have yet to see Protel crash, or, Altera's QuartusII 3.1 web edition. In fact, the only crash I've seen yet was in Internet Explorer on some lousy Java code... _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I went through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally ended up slowing the memory bus down to 100MHz even though everything was spec'd at 133.I'll never touch ASUS again. I was using Win2K. Has anyone had any problems with Protel with Intel motherboards? I've heard their not barnburners but are extremely stable. At 03:19 PM 3/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus ensuring a trouble free 8X AGP functionality. It even more stable than my old Dual PIII 1 GHz. Also, the 2 X 120 Gbyte Western Digital HDs read write at over 100 Megabytes / second on a continuous basis. I'm sure if I added 1 card to the PCI bus, the boot time would probably double. Additional, I have successfully over clocked this motherboard to 4.1 GHz, though, I don't think it's worth the potential headaches. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I'm only using a 300 watt power supply and it takes my XP box 25 seconds to boot. (that's a joke!) Seriously though, don't install a bunch of crap on that PC or else the boot time will grow horribly. (And it may not shut down properly...sort of like this WinXP box.) Tony -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... 2 other things, It completely boots right to the XP password prompt in under 5 seconds. (I didn't think that was possible...) I'm using a 450 watt power supply. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... New PC (tested now for 1 month): Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, On board stuff: 3.6 GHz Intel CPU. 2GB DDR sdram in dual channel mode. AD1985 - on board sound card, v3630 drivers. Intel 82801ER Serial ATA raid controller with 2 x 120GB SATA WD hds. 3Com gigabit LOM (3C940) Firewire port 8 USB 2.0 ports Parallel Port Serial Port Video AGP: ASUS V9520/TD - GeForce FX5200 (not the best card for extreme high end 3D, but, the 8X agp makes Protel 99se fly.) Drivers - Nvidia direct - 53.03. Current bugs: -sharpness settings mess up after an APPLY. -custom color overlay settings are erased when you swap, or enable / disable the opposite monitor output. -monitor output #2's sync gets disrupted when you right click on the NVidia control panel icon. OS: WinXP Pro. I have yet to see Protel crash, or, Altera's QuartusII 3.1 web edition. In fact, the only crash I've seen yet was in Internet Explorer on some lousy Java code... _ Brian Guralnick Ray Mitchell Engineer, Code 2732 SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego, CA. 92152 (619)553-5344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus I bet that 24bit/96KHz sound that's on the mobo doesn't sound so good. I have yet to find mobo sound that is good. And IIRC, Brian is da man when it comes to hi-fi sound, so he's got to be even pickier than I am. Even my Sound Blaster Live card, which is supposed to be a hi-fi card, has residual noise that I can hear during passages of silence. I'd estimate (with my earscope) that it has about 14-bits of s/n ratio, even though it's a 16-bit card. The Biostar and Via mobo sound I have is maybe 11-bit s/n ratio, at best. Brian, I'm glad your new mobo still has serial and parallel ports. Oh, God, please don't take away my serial and parallel ports! I see you are running Protel 99SE on it, and it flys. If you really want to strain it, load the Visual Studio .NET suite on it. I know a developer who says the new .NET stuff slows his dual PIII to a crawl. That's a big reason he is still developing with Visual Studio 6. You can also tax it with Autodesk Inventor. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus ensuring a trouble free 8X AGP functionality. It even more stable than my old Dual PIII 1 GHz. Also, the 2 X 120 Gbyte Western Digital HDs read write at over 100 Megabytes / second on a continuous basis. I'm sure if I added 1 card to the PCI bus, the boot time would probably double. Additional, I have successfully over clocked this motherboard to 4.1 GHz, though, I don't think it's worth the potential headaches. _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I went through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally ended up slowing the memory bus down to 100MHz even though everything was spec'd at 133.I'll never touch ASUS again. I was using Win2K. That was the problem with my Asus dual 1GHz PIII. To fix it, I had to set in the bios, add 1.5ns on the SDRAM latch. DDR ram provides an output latch clock which the motherboard chipset times itself to getting rid of these old type problems. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Ray Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I went through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally ended up slowing the memory bus down to 100MHz even though everything was spec'd at 133.I'll never touch ASUS again. I was using Win2K. Has anyone had any problems with Protel with Intel motherboards? I've heard their not barnburners but are extremely stable. At 03:19 PM 3/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus ensuring a trouble free 8X AGP functionality. It even more stable than my old Dual PIII 1 GHz. Also, the 2 X 120 Gbyte Western Digital HDs read write at over 100 Megabytes / second on a continuous basis. I'm sure if I added 1 card to the PCI bus, the boot time would probably double. Additional, I have successfully over clocked this motherboard to 4.1 GHz, though, I don't think it's worth the potential headaches. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I'm only using a 300 watt power supply and it takes my XP box 25 seconds to boot. (that's a joke!) Seriously though, don't install a bunch of crap on that PC or else the boot time will grow horribly. (And it may not shut down properly...sort of like this WinXP box.) Tony -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... 2 other things, It completely boots right to the XP password prompt in under 5 seconds. (I didn't think that was possible...) I'm using a 450 watt power supply. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... New PC (tested now for 1 month): Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, On board stuff: 3.6 GHz Intel CPU. 2GB DDR sdram in dual channel mode. AD1985 - on board sound card, v3630 drivers. Intel 82801ER Serial ATA raid controller with 2 x 120GB SATA WD hds. 3Com gigabit LOM (3C940) Firewire port 8 USB 2.0 ports Parallel Port Serial Port Video AGP: ASUS V9520/TD - GeForce FX5200 (not the best card for extreme high end 3D, but, the 8X agp makes Protel 99se fly.) Drivers - Nvidia direct - 53.03. Current bugs: -sharpness settings mess up after an APPLY. -custom color overlay settings are erased when you swap, or enable / disable the opposite monitor output. -monitor output #2's sync gets disrupted when you right click on the NVidia control panel icon. OS: WinXP Pro. I have yet to see Protel crash, or, Altera's QuartusII 3.1 web edition. In fact, the only crash I've seen yet was in Internet Explorer on some lousy Java code... _ Brian Guralnick Ray Mitchell Engineer, Code 2732 SPAWAR Systems Center San Diego, CA. 92152 (619)553-5344 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I went through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally ended You say some time ago. Would that be maybe a year or two? There was a rash of bad mobos from various manufacturers (Asus was one of them) at that time, due to substandard electrolytic capacitors used in the power supply sections of the board. It was quite a scandal at the time. Article here: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/feb03/ncap.html I replaced an ECS mobo in my stepbrother's PC last year because of this. At least, that's what I think the cause was. All the other pieces of the PC were salvaged (including the Athlon CPU and RAM) and the new mobo works great. I put the old mobo in another PC for further testing and it was still flaky. Problem solved. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Ray Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I went through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally ended up slowing the memory bus down to 100MHz even though everything was spec'd at 133.I'll never touch ASUS again. I was using Win2K. Has anyone had any problems with Protel with Intel motherboards? I've heard their not barnburners but are extremely stable. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
Just do what I did, soldier hugely shielded RCA cables right by the sound chip. The sound clearly ouperforms SBLive 5.1 and earlier. DVDs will play all 6 channels at 24bit, 96KHz. The good sound may be due to my 450 watt power supply which has an AC leakage current UNDER 0.1ma. Compare that to the normal 1-2ma... It also has SPDIF/AC3/AC5.1/DTS digital output in so called Audiophile grade. This just means it properly passed through the ACx/DTS data unmodified at the right clock rate. Unlike SBLive, it doesn't pop/click when playing music or games. Also, the whole unit has only 3 fans and it's super quiet. (1 on cpu, 1 on video card, 1 on power supply, Altera's Quartus does accelerate the fans considerably when compiling jobs which take more than 5 minutes.) _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus I bet that 24bit/96KHz sound that's on the mobo doesn't sound so good. I have yet to find mobo sound that is good. And IIRC, Brian is da man when it comes to hi-fi sound, so he's got to be even pickier than I am. Even my Sound Blaster Live card, which is supposed to be a hi-fi card, has residual noise that I can hear during passages of silence. I'd estimate (with my earscope) that it has about 14-bits of s/n ratio, even though it's a 16-bit card. The Biostar and Via mobo sound I have is maybe 11-bit s/n ratio, at best. Brian, I'm glad your new mobo still has serial and parallel ports. Oh, God, please don't take away my serial and parallel ports! I see you are running Protel 99SE on it, and it flys. If you really want to strain it, load the Visual Studio .NET suite on it. I know a developer who says the new .NET stuff slows his dual PIII to a crawl. That's a big reason he is still developing with Visual Studio 6. You can also tax it with Autodesk Inventor. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus ensuring a trouble free 8X AGP functionality. It even more stable than my old Dual PIII 1 GHz. Also, the 2 X 120 Gbyte Western Digital HDs read write at over 100 Megabytes / second on a continuous basis. I'm sure if I added 1 card to the PCI bus, the boot time would probably double. Additional, I have successfully over clocked this motherboard to 4.1 GHz, though, I don't think it's worth the potential headaches. _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
Just do what I did, soldier hugely shielded RCA cables right by the sound chip. The sound clearly ouperforms SBLive 5.1 and earlier. DVDs will play all 6 channels at 24bit, 96KHz. I take the SPDIF output from the SB Live and run it into the digital input of my Yamaha receiver. So it's a digital connection. The noise I hear must be something added by the SB Live circuitry itself. Either the SB Live on-board signal is converted to analog and back to digital, or the SB Live DSP doesn't have enough precision. Mine's not a 5.1, it's just stereo. I don't care for 5.1 sound for music. I'm not opposed to it for movies, but placing 2 speakers properly is tough enough. Who can place 6 speakers properly? Houses aren't designed for audiophiles, you know... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... Just do what I did, soldier hugely shielded RCA cables right by the sound chip. The sound clearly ouperforms SBLive 5.1 and earlier. DVDs will play all 6 channels at 24bit, 96KHz. The good sound may be due to my 450 watt power supply which has an AC leakage current UNDER 0.1ma. Compare that to the normal 1-2ma... It also has SPDIF/AC3/AC5.1/DTS digital output in so called Audiophile grade. This just means it properly passed through the ACx/DTS data unmodified at the right clock rate. Unlike SBLive, it doesn't pop/click when playing music or games. Also, the whole unit has only 3 fans and it's super quiet. (1 on cpu, 1 on video card, 1 on power supply, Altera's Quartus does accelerate the fans considerably when compiling jobs which take more than 5 minutes.) _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus I bet that 24bit/96KHz sound that's on the mobo doesn't sound so good. I have yet to find mobo sound that is good. And IIRC, Brian is da man when it comes to hi-fi sound, so he's got to be even pickier than I am. Even my Sound Blaster Live card, which is supposed to be a hi-fi card, has residual noise that I can hear during passages of silence. I'd estimate (with my earscope) that it has about 14-bits of s/n ratio, even though it's a 16-bit card. The Biostar and Via mobo sound I have is maybe 11-bit s/n ratio, at best. Brian, I'm glad your new mobo still has serial and parallel ports. Oh, God, please don't take away my serial and parallel ports! I see you are running Protel 99SE on it, and it flys. If you really want to strain it, load the Visual Studio .NET suite on it. I know a developer who says the new .NET stuff slows his dual PIII to a crawl. That's a big reason he is still developing with Visual Studio 6. You can also tax it with Autodesk Inventor. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus ensuring a trouble free 8X AGP functionality. It even more stable than my old Dual PIII 1 GHz. Also, the 2 X 120 Gbyte Western Digital HDs read write at over 100 Megabytes / second on a continuous basis. I'm sure if I added 1 card to the PCI bus, the boot time would probably double. Additional, I have successfully over clocked this motherboard to 4.1 GHz, though, I don't think it's worth the potential headaches. _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
I take the SPDIF output from the SB Live and run it into the digital input of my Yamaha receiver. So it's a digital connection. The noise I hear must be something added by the SB Live circuitry itself. Either the SB Live on-board signal is converted to analog and back to digital, or the SB Live DSP doesn't have enough precision. Could be sampler noise from an enabled line in. IE, PC speaker input, Line in, CD audio in. I have not analyzed SB live in detail because it is unable to play audio without adding pops / clicks in general. Though analog devices AD1985 can be set up to create no noise at all, it is missing the ability to do true DSD. Can't blame them though, there is no standard yet for digitally passing DSD and this is why I had to create my own USB2.0 true DSD sound card and portable flash card player. Mine's not a 5.1, it's just stereo. I don't care for 5.1 sound for music. I'm not opposed to it for movies, but placing 2 speakers properly is tough enough. Who can place 6 speakers properly? Houses aren't designed for audiophiles, you know... 2 speakers is the way I like it as well. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... Just do what I did, soldier hugely shielded RCA cables right by the sound chip. The sound clearly ouperforms SBLive 5.1 and earlier. DVDs will play all 6 channels at 24bit, 96KHz. I take the SPDIF output from the SB Live and run it into the digital input of my Yamaha receiver. So it's a digital connection. The noise I hear must be something added by the SB Live circuitry itself. Either the SB Live on-board signal is converted to analog and back to digital, or the SB Live DSP doesn't have enough precision. Mine's not a 5.1, it's just stereo. I don't care for 5.1 sound for music. I'm not opposed to it for movies, but placing 2 speakers properly is tough enough. Who can place 6 speakers properly? Houses aren't designed for audiophiles, you know... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... Just do what I did, soldier hugely shielded RCA cables right by the sound chip. The sound clearly ouperforms SBLive 5.1 and earlier. DVDs will play all 6 channels at 24bit, 96KHz. The good sound may be due to my 450 watt power supply which has an AC leakage current UNDER 0.1ma. Compare that to the normal 1-2ma... It also has SPDIF/AC3/AC5.1/DTS digital output in so called Audiophile grade. This just means it properly passed through the ACx/DTS data unmodified at the right clock rate. Unlike SBLive, it doesn't pop/click when playing music or games. Also, the whole unit has only 3 fans and it's super quiet. (1 on cpu, 1 on video card, 1 on power supply, Altera's Quartus does accelerate the fans considerably when compiling jobs which take more than 5 minutes.) _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals, 24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus I bet that 24bit/96KHz sound that's on the mobo doesn't sound so good. I have yet to find mobo sound that is good. And IIRC, Brian is da man when it comes to hi-fi sound, so he's got to be even pickier than I am. Even my Sound Blaster Live card, which is supposed to be a hi-fi card, has residual noise that I can hear during passages of silence. I'd estimate (with my earscope) that it has about 14-bits of s/n ratio, even though it's a 16-bit card. The Biostar and Via mobo sound I have is maybe 11-bit s/n ratio, at best. Brian, I'm glad your new mobo still has serial and parallel ports. Oh, God, please don't take away my serial and parallel ports! I see you are running Protel 99SE on it, and it flys. If you really want to strain it, load the Visual Studio .NET suite on it. I know a developer who says the new .NET stuff slows his dual PIII to a crawl. That's a big reason he is still developing with Visual Studio 6. You can also tax it with Autodesk Inventor. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message
[PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
New PC (tested now for 1 month): Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, On board stuff: 3.6 GHz Intel CPU. 2GB DDR sdram in dual channel mode. AD1985 - on board sound card, v3630 drivers. Intel 82801ER Serial ATA raid controller with 2 x 120GB SATA WD hds. 3Com gigabit LOM (3C940) Firewire port 8 USB 2.0 ports Parallel Port Serial Port Video AGP: ASUS V9520/TD - GeForce FX5200 (not the best card for extreme high end 3D, but, the 8X agp makes Protel 99se fly.) Drivers - Nvidia direct - 53.03. Current bugs: -sharpness settings mess up after an APPLY. -custom color overlay settings are erased when you swap, or enable / disable the opposite monitor output. -monitor output #2's sync gets disrupted when you right click on the NVidia control panel icon. OS: WinXP Pro. I have yet to see Protel crash, or, Altera's QuartusII 3.1 web edition. In fact, the only crash I've seen yet was in Internet Explorer on some lousy Java code... _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
2 other things, It completely boots right to the XP password prompt in under 5 seconds. (I didn't think that was possible...) I'm using a 450 watt power supply. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... New PC (tested now for 1 month): Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, On board stuff: 3.6 GHz Intel CPU. 2GB DDR sdram in dual channel mode. AD1985 - on board sound card, v3630 drivers. Intel 82801ER Serial ATA raid controller with 2 x 120GB SATA WD hds. 3Com gigabit LOM (3C940) Firewire port 8 USB 2.0 ports Parallel Port Serial Port Video AGP: ASUS V9520/TD - GeForce FX5200 (not the best card for extreme high end 3D, but, the 8X agp makes Protel 99se fly.) Drivers - Nvidia direct - 53.03. Current bugs: -sharpness settings mess up after an APPLY. -custom color overlay settings are erased when you swap, or enable / disable the opposite monitor output. -monitor output #2's sync gets disrupted when you right click on the NVidia control panel icon. OS: WinXP Pro. I have yet to see Protel crash, or, Altera's QuartusII 3.1 web edition. In fact, the only crash I've seen yet was in Internet Explorer on some lousy Java code... _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
Thanks Brian, Sounds like about what I'm after in my next box, due to get a new computer soon. Fast boot, about time.. Darren Moore -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 other things, It completely boots right to the XP password prompt in under 5 seconds. (I didn't think that was possible...) I'm using a 450 watt power supply. _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now...
I'm only using a 300 watt power supply and it takes my XP box 25 seconds to boot. (that's a joke!) Seriously though, don't install a bunch of crap on that PC or else the boot time will grow horribly. (And it may not shut down properly...sort of like this WinXP box.) Tony -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:45 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... 2 other things, It completely boots right to the XP password prompt in under 5 seconds. (I didn't think that was possible...) I'm using a 450 watt power supply. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [PEDA] New PC tested with Protel for at least 1 month now... New PC (tested now for 1 month): Mobo: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, On board stuff: 3.6 GHz Intel CPU. 2GB DDR sdram in dual channel mode. AD1985 - on board sound card, v3630 drivers. Intel 82801ER Serial ATA raid controller with 2 x 120GB SATA WD hds. 3Com gigabit LOM (3C940) Firewire port 8 USB 2.0 ports Parallel Port Serial Port Video AGP: ASUS V9520/TD - GeForce FX5200 (not the best card for extreme high end 3D, but, the 8X agp makes Protel 99se fly.) Drivers - Nvidia direct - 53.03. Current bugs: -sharpness settings mess up after an APPLY. -custom color overlay settings are erased when you swap, or enable / disable the opposite monitor output. -monitor output #2's sync gets disrupted when you right click on the NVidia control panel icon. OS: WinXP Pro. I have yet to see Protel crash, or, Altera's QuartusII 3.1 web edition. In fact, the only crash I've seen yet was in Internet Explorer on some lousy Java code... _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
