Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
Hi, In CAM Outputs go to 'ToolsPreferences' The directory at the bottom which you point the CAM files to is in fact where protel will create an extra copy of the gerber files. If you set the Path to the design directory every time, Protel creates the Gerber files, then tries to overwrite these gerber files with a copy, hence the dialog. In JaMi's case, with the path set to x, the first time gerber zzz is created, there is probably no 'Overwrite?' Dialog, but subsequent F9 presses will produce one. Simply uncheck the 'Export copy to' box and you will find you only get one copy of the gerber files, in the correct design directory. Well, I do anyway ;-) Best Regards Paul -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 January 2003 21:31 To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Brad, I am not sure what I am overwriting, and I am just using X and ZZZ to signify I have overwriten something a whole bunch of times. Next time I go thru the F9 process I will pay more attention. :-) JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
I did not follow this thread from beginning fully but, In CAM Outputs go to 'ToolsPreferences' In the CAM prefernces you can set it to overwrite or create a time stamped new folder each time you output, also you can put each type of output in separate folders, drill, gerber, etc. I found it easiest to just have it output time stamped copies of CAM output to one separate CAM Data Output directory for all designs. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Paul Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Hi, In CAM Outputs go to 'ToolsPreferences' The directory at the bottom which you point the CAM files to is in fact where protel will create an extra copy of the gerber files. If you set the Path to the design directory every time, Protel creates the Gerber files, then tries to overwrite these gerber files with a copy, hence the dialog. In JaMi's case, with the path set to x, the first time gerber zzz is created, there is probably no 'Overwrite?' Dialog, but subsequent F9 presses will produce one. Simply uncheck the 'Export copy to' box and you will find you only get one copy of the gerber files, in the correct design directory. Well, I do anyway ;-) Best Regards Paul -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 January 2003 21:31 To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Brad, I am not sure what I am overwriting, and I am just using X and ZZZ to signify I have overwriten something a whole bunch of times. Next time I go thru the F9 process I will pay more attention. :-) JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
The finish line is in sight. All I have to do is generate the Gerber's, zip them up, and email them to PCB'S R US. Ok, I push F9 then review the files in the CAM directory to make sure everything is ok, and WTF? Damm it, the files were exported to a CAM directory in the previous project directory I was working on. Why does Protel do that? I want, and expect Protel to export the files to the SAME directory it did the last time I made Gerber's with this project. Not the project directory of the previous project! Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
Jeff, are you using Windows Files system or the DDB database format for your files? Is this even a P99SE question or possibly DXP? I use the DDB database format and my Gerbers always export to the last set (in preferences) directory location. If I never change it, it will always generate the Gerber CAM directories within the same single directory location. I am not sure what exactly you mean by a project directory, I thought that was more of a DXP term. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:05 AM To: Association of Protel EDA Users Subject: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) The finish line is in sight. All I have to do is generate the Gerber's, zip them up, and email them to PCB'S R US. Ok, I push F9 then review the files in the CAM directory to make sure everything is ok, and WTF? Damm it, the files were exported to a CAM directory in the previous project directory I was working on. Why does Protel do that? I want, and expect Protel to export the files to the SAME directory it did the last time I made Gerber's with this project. Not the project directory of the previous project! Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
It would be nice if the CAM export directory could be made project-relative or relative to the location of the DDB. It seems to be absolute. Say I design and save a PCB. Now I want to work on rev 2 (but save the original rev1 for posterity). I copy the rev1 design database into a new directory, but the CAM export directory points to the same old absolute location--overwriting my rev1 files when I export from the rev2 DDB. Bad. -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:12 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Jeff, are you using Windows Files system or the DDB database format for your files? Is this even a P99SE question or possibly DXP? I use the DDB database format and my Gerbers always export to the last set (in preferences) directory location. If I never change it, it will always generate the Gerber CAM directories within the same single directory location. I am not sure what exactly you mean by a project directory, I thought that was more of a DXP term. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:05 AM To: Association of Protel EDA Users Subject: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) The finish line is in sight. All I have to do is generate the Gerber's, zip them up, and email them to PCB'S R US. Ok, I push F9 then review the files in the CAM directory to make sure everything is ok, and WTF? Damm it, the files were exported to a CAM directory in the previous project directory I was working on. Why does Protel do that? I want, and expect Protel to export the files to the SAME directory it did the last time I made Gerber's with this project. Not the project directory of the previous project! Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
Please take me off this list I have repeatedly tried the link with no success At 11:05 AM 1/9/2003 -0600, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
DDB Database/P99SE/SP6/W2k What I'm saying is, open project X, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (correct). Open project Y, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (wrong). Open project Z, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (wrong again). Are you saying I'm the only one this happens to? Jeff Stout - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Jeff, are you using Windows Files system or the DDB database format for your files? Is this even a P99SE question or possibly DXP? I use the DDB database format and my Gerbers always export to the last set (in preferences) directory location. If I never change it, it will always generate the Gerber CAM directories within the same single directory location. I am not sure what exactly you mean by a project directory, I thought that was more of a DXP term. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:05 AM To: Association of Protel EDA Users Subject: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) The finish line is in sight. All I have to do is generate the Gerber's, zip them up, and email them to PCB'S R US. Ok, I push F9 then review the files in the CAM directory to make sure everything is ok, and WTF? Damm it, the files were exported to a CAM directory in the previous project directory I was working on. Why does Protel do that? I want, and expect Protel to export the files to the SAME directory it did the last time I made Gerber's with this project. Not the project directory of the previous project! Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
Jeff, I think I understand what you are saying, and while I never realized it before, I think that it has been happening to me also. When I generate gerbers (do an F9) I always have to answer a do you want to overwrite message of some kind, pretaining to some file(s) somewhere, which I never could understand, and always ignore and simply answer Y to, since I always do an export of all of the resultant newley generated files to a seperate directory. I always wondered what I was overwriting, but if I understand you correctly, I am continually overwriting my own Project X, even though I am now up to project ZZZ. Never thought that one thru before, but I only hope I never need to access project X files anymore (even If I could figure out which project that really was). I'll have to pay close attention the next time I generate gerbers or other cam files. JaMi - Original Message - From: Jeff Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) DDB Database/P99SE/SP6/W2k What I'm saying is, open project X, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (correct). Open project Y, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (wrong). Open project Z, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (wrong again). Are you saying I'm the only one this happens to? Jeff Stout - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Jeff, are you using Windows Files system or the DDB database format for your files? Is this even a P99SE question or possibly DXP? I use the DDB database format and my Gerbers always export to the last set (in preferences) directory location. If I never change it, it will always generate the Gerber CAM directories within the same single directory location. I am not sure what exactly you mean by a project directory, I thought that was more of a DXP term. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:05 AM To: Association of Protel EDA Users Subject: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) The finish line is in sight. All I have to do is generate the Gerber's, zip them up, and email them to PCB'S R US. Ok, I push F9 then review the files in the CAM directory to make sure everything is ok, and WTF? Damm it, the files were exported to a CAM directory in the previous project directory I was working on. Why does Protel do that? I want, and expect Protel to export the files to the SAME directory it did the last time I made Gerber's with this project. Not the project directory of the previous project! Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
09/01/2003 18:21:32, Jeff Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DDB Database/P99SE/SP6/W2k Windows files, but otherwise identical. Are you saying I'm the only one this happens to? Nope - same happens here, and it's very annoying - to the level that sometimes I need to let file - find hunt the files down... Fortunately, I've never written over a released project, since tehy go on another server where Protel can't find them... Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
Jeff, I am saying that it does exactly what you have now stated, with one minor exception. Somewhere you must have set Directory X the first time or it had come up by default at that location. Your system works identical to what I would expect and I agree it is a nuisance/peeve. I have just learned to live with it and remember to change the directory with each new project. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:22 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) DDB Database/P99SE/SP6/W2k What I'm saying is, open project X, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (correct). Open project Y, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (wrong). Open project Z, generate Gerber's/export Gerber's and they go to project X directory (wrong again). Are you saying I'm the only one this happens to? Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
Jami, if your projects(PCBs) are X and ZZZ then you are not overwriting the old files. You may be overwriting an earlier version of the same files or just re-writing the directory name if there was an existing directory of the same name with no existing gerber files. If the PCB file names are different then there is no overwriting of previous PCB gerbers. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:02 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Jeff, I think I understand what you are saying, and while I never realized it before, I think that it has been happening to me also. When I generate gerbers (do an F9) I always have to answer a do you want to overwrite message of some kind, pretaining to some file(s) somewhere, which I never could understand, and always ignore and simply answer Y to, since I always do an export of all of the resultant newley generated files to a seperate directory. I always wondered what I was overwriting, but if I understand you correctly, I am continually overwriting my own Project X, even though I am now up to project ZZZ. Never thought that one thru before, but I only hope I never need to access project X files anymore (even If I could figure out which project that really was). I'll have to pay close attention the next time I generate gerbers or other cam files. JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature)
Brad, I am not sure what I am overwriting, and I am just using X and ZZZ to signify I have overwriten something a whole bunch of times. Next time I go thru the F9 process I will pay more attention. :-) JaMi - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Jami, if your projects(PCBs) are X and ZZZ then you are not overwriting the old files. You may be overwriting an earlier version of the same files or just re-writing the directory name if there was an existing directory of the same name with no existing gerber files. If the PCB file names are different then there is no overwriting of previous PCB gerbers. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:02 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pet Peeve (irritating lost feature) Jeff, I think I understand what you are saying, and while I never realized it before, I think that it has been happening to me also. When I generate gerbers (do an F9) I always have to answer a do you want to overwrite message of some kind, pretaining to some file(s) somewhere, which I never could understand, and always ignore and simply answer Y to, since I always do an export of all of the resultant newley generated files to a seperate directory. I always wondered what I was overwriting, but if I understand you correctly, I am continually overwriting my own Project X, even though I am now up to project ZZZ. Never thought that one thru before, but I only hope I never need to access project X files anymore (even If I could figure out which project that really was). I'll have to pay close attention the next time I generate gerbers or other cam files. JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
