On 11 Jul, 2010, at 19:35, Bill Janssen wrote:
Tal Einat talei...@gmail.com wrote:
Although several people say that they think having IDLE in the stdlib
is important, the fact is that IDLE is considered quite unimportant by
most of the Python community. Having IDLE in the stdlib may be
What I specifically want right now is Commit Authorization Privilege,
especially for IDLE,
Not sure who could grant that, but as far as I can: you have it.
Regards,
Martin
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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
Stephen Hansen wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com
mailto:ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
By never had a problem do you mean using some of the latest
versions
? Here, running
-On [20100712 08:26], Stephen Hansen (apt.shan...@gmail.com) wrote:
But I, personally, would consider it a significant loss if IDLE went the way of
the dodo or a third-party module.
Why would it be a significant loss if it went the way of a third party
module? Clearly right now it's not being
Am 12.07.2010 10:06, schrieb Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven:
-On [20100712 08:26], Stephen Hansen (apt.shan...@gmail.com) wrote:
But I, personally, would consider it a significant loss if IDLE went the way
of
the dodo or a third-party module.
Why would it be a significant loss if it went
On Sun, Jul 11 2010, Bruce Sherwood wrote:
On the notion that IDLE is fatally flawed and is driving away
potential users of Python (to put the statements in their most extreme
form):
It seems that there are (at least) two very different communities
people have in mind. I can appreciate that
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF funds
might help; if every
single bug were actively triaged and responded to, even if it weren't
reviewed,
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
-On [20100712 08:26], Stephen Hansen (apt.shan...@gmail.com) wrote:
But I, personally, would consider it a significant loss if IDLE went
the way of the dodo or a third-party module.
Why would it be a significant loss if it went the way
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP window with a simple menubar. Those
who haven't looked at it for awhile may not be aware of the recent
advances
After a few keystrokes in the interactive interpreter, I got the
following traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File Lib/idlelib/idle.py, line 11, in module
idlelib.PyShell.main()
File /home/antoine/py3k/__svn__/Lib/idlelib/PyShell.py, line 1420,
in main
root.mainloop()
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
funds might help; if every
single bug
On 12/07/2010 2.56, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
As for assigning bugs, I've been told to use the maintainer.rst list, so
either the list is wrong, or I've had finger problems. If it's the
latter I again say sorry.
I see. What copy have you been using specifically? I think I need to
remove myself
Hi Kurt, I'm glad you've joined this discussion.
My point is that whatever the reason, for the past five years (at
least) nearly every issue related to IDLE has taken years to be
resolved, and many have still not been resolved. As a result the
current state of IDLE is quite poor.
To be perfectly
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
My point is that I don't think I am exaggerating IDLE's flaws. I'm not
saying that it is no longer usable or useful, but I am saying that its
current state is not okay.
So can you produce a list of patches that you
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
FWIW this is why I started IDLE-Spoon (well, continued Noam Raphael's
project of the same name, in a sense). The idea was to have a fork of
IDLE with new features which need to be tried out by beta testers to
iron out
Kurt B. Kaiser:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP window with a simple menubar. Those
who haven't looked at it for awhile may not be aware of the recent
advances made by Tk in native look and feel. What is ugly?
geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:39:15 +0300, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/07/2010 2.56, Martin v. L=F6wis wrote:
As for assigning bugs, I've been told to use the maintainer.rst list, so
either the list is wrong, or I've had finger problems. If it's the
latter I again say
On 12/07/2010 12:42, R. David Murray wrote:
[snip...]
E.g.:
unicodedata loewis, lemburg, ezio.melotti*
would mean You can add loewis and lemburg to the nosy list and assign
the issue to ezio.melotti. Otherwise we can just decide that those
I like this suggestion, but
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:07:54 +0100, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
I've been working from this:-
http://svn.python.org/view/*checkout*/python/branches/py3k/Misc/maintainers.rst
It strikes me as being so sadly outdated that it's getting less than
useless, or I assume that it's
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:13:21 +0100, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
On 11/07/2010 19:40, Martin v. L=F6wis wrote:
There clearly are *some* folks who care enough about IDLE to submit
bug reports and fixes. How about we empower these people by giving at
least one of them commit
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP window with a simple menubar. Those
who haven't looked at it for
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:12:10 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
Ok, I've just tried IDLE (on py3k) for the first time in years. Under
Linux, the look is ugly and outdated; it uses some kind of Motif-like
widgets.
That's because Linux isn't using Tk 8.5 yet. Debian defaults to
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:06 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On 03:11 pm, j...@jcea.es wrote:
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:51:35 +0100, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
I have been attempting to fill this hole and have been faced with
animosity from people who hang out on the python-dev IRC channel. I
thought it was a complete and utter waste of space, so I don't intend
going
If I read the patch correctly it replaces the existing 8.4 support by support
for 8.5. That would not be acceptable because it would result in a
non-functional version of IDLE for anyone that hasn't installed a custom copy
of Tk.
Not quite. It doesn't specify a version of Tk to run; it
On 12/07/2010 11:37, geremy condra wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krahste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Nollerjnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condradebat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
On 12:30 pm, thebra...@brasse.org wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:06 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
It's still little more than an outline. You can see it here:
http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/ProtocolPEP
And if you're interested in helping, we can figure out a way to do
that
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:36:33 +0200
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
I think Martin has always supported me in some way and I really
appreciate that. But, maybe because I won commit privileges solely
based on GSoC work, I felt other developers wouldn't approve my
commits without
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:37:22 pm Eric Smith wrote:
re2 comparison is interesting from the point of if it should be
included in stdlib.
Is it re2 or regex? I don't see having 2 regular expression engines
in the
Hi I learned about the futures PEP only today. I saw the example on
http://code.google.com/p/pythonfutures/
One thing that worries me is that this approach seems to bypass the
usual exception handling mechanism of Python. In particular I'm
wondering why you have to do things like:
if
Tal Einat wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
I use IDLE every day. It does everything I want an IDE to do, it looks
simple and doesn't waste screen real estate like some other IDEs do, it
supports proportionally spaced fonts correctly, its syntax
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Tal Einat wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
I have been using IDLE since 2002 and have been doing my best to help
maintain and further develop IDLE since 2005.
I'm surprised by the amount of interest this
On 7/12/10 10:16 AM, Michiel Overtoom wrote:
Tal Einat wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
I use IDLE every day. It does everything I want an IDE to do, it looks
simple and doesn't waste screen real estate like some other IDEs do, it
supports
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
+1. Don't be afraid. We are quite good at pointing out mistakes after
the fact :)
Just make sure to subscribe to python-checkins and keep an eye out for
replies to your commits. Most post hoc review comments come in as
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Titus von der Malsburg
malsb...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me a lot of how things are done in C but it's not very
pythonic. Wouldn't it be possible and nicer to raise the exception --
if there was one inside the asynchronous job -- when the result of the
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:48:35AM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Titus von der Malsburg
That's what actually happens, so you can code it either way
That's great! None of the examples I found used the pythonic
exception style, that's why I assumed that checking
On 12/07/2010 15:42, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Antoine Pitrousolip...@pitrou.net wrote:
+1. Don't be afraid. We are quite good at pointing out mistakes after
the fact :)
Just make sure to subscribe to python-checkins and keep an eye out for
replies to
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Tal Einat wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
FWIW this is why I started IDLE-Spoon (well, continued Noam Raphael's
project of the same name, in a sense). The idea was to have a fork of
IDLE with new features which need to be
Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
Using Tkinter is a major reason that maintaining and further
developing IDLE is difficult. For example, it took me many hours just
to get a working Tkinter scrolled frame widget, having had to write it
from scratch and struggle with the under-documented Canvas widget.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:20 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
As I recollect, much of what Scherer did in VIDLE related to running
multiple IDLE copies.
For that reason, the VIDLE changes have to be evaluated carefully to
determine what has already been incorporated. I believe I
On Jul 12, 2010, at 4:34 AM, Éric Araujo wrote:
Plus, http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/report/15 is a useful resource
for core developers with only a little bit of free time to do a
review.
Title: “Review Tickets, By Order You Should Review Them In”
I haven’t found a description of this
On 12/07/2010 15:07, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:37:22 pm Eric Smith wrote:
re2 comparison is interesting from the point of if it should be
included in stdlib.
Is it re2 or regex? I
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:12:10 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
Ok, I've just tried IDLE (on py3k) for the first time in years. Under
Linux, the look is ugly and outdated; it uses some kind of Motif-like
widgets.
That's because Linux
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, geremy condra wrote:
No offense, but I've been specifically asked not to do demos with IDLE
because it looked 'unprofessional'. Given the constraint of working
within tkinter that may not be something you can work around, but I'm
sure you can see that from a certain
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
Also, the current right click edit action on Windows is to only open an
edit window; no shell. And it uses the subprocess! So, some of the
comments on this thread are not up to date.
The reason that bug languished for two
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:18:38 +0100
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
On 12/07/2010 15:07, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:37:22 pm Eric Smith wrote:
re2 comparison is
Stephen Hansen apt.shan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
Stephen Hansen wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com
mailto:ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
By never had a problem do you mean using
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:23:04 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
What distro are you using? Tk8.6 is still in beta.
It's Mandriva 2010.1
Still looks crummy? Bummer.
Yes.
Fine, I showed it as an example of the improvement in 8.5. Most people,
I think, are using Windows or Macs.
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 16:18 +0100, Michael Foord wrote:
On 12/07/2010 15:07, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info
wrote:
re2 deliberately omits some features for efficiency reasons, hence is
not even on the table as a possible
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
That mailing list (python-checkins) is way too high traffic for many
committers to monitor. I hope people making comments on checkins also email
the committer directly.
Not normally, no - there's no easy way to
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:23:13 +
Reid Kleckner reid.kleck...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm also expecting to be doing more work merging unladen-swallow into
the py3k-jit branch, so I was wondering if I could get commit
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Bill Janssen jans...@parc.com wrote:
Steve, you encouraged me to try it again. From an xterm on OS X 10.5.8,
it launches fine (long as you know where it is --
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/idle).
Seems to work OK for what it
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Tal Einat wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de
wrote:
FWIW this is why I started IDLE-Spoon (well, continued Noam Raphael's
project of the same name, in a sense). The idea was
On 12/07/2010 16:52, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
That mailing list (python-checkins) is way too high traffic for many
committers to monitor. I hope people making comments on checkins also email
the committer directly.
Hello,
Defining a user type which implements number protocol should be treated as a
number (long) in PyArg_ParseTuple using l format.
In getargs.c:
case 'l': {/* long int */
long *p = va_arg(*p_va, long *);
long ival;
if
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com wrote:
There might be another alternative.
Both idle and pydoc are applications (are there others?) that are in the
standard library. As such, they or parts of them, are possibly importable
to other projects. That restricts changes
On 12/07/2010 19:21, Ian Bicking wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com
mailto:r...@ronadam.com wrote:
There might be another alternative.
Both idle and pydoc are applications (are there others?) that are
in the standard library. As such, they or parts
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 for fixing it from me, unless any of the other implementations object.
@Mark: my comment on the tracker issue had an implied ...unless you
really want to on the end :)
Thanks! Patch at http://bugs.python.org/issue9232
On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Reid Kleckner wrote:
(Somwhat off-topic): Another pain point students had was accidentally
shadowing stdlib modules, like random. Renaming the file didn't solve
the problem either, because it left behind .pycs, which I had to help
them delete.
I feel your
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 03:48:12PM -0400, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:
I feel your pain. It seems like every third person who starts playing with
Twisted starts off by making a file called 'twisted.py' and then getting
really confused by the behavior. I would love it if this could be fixed, but
On 7/12/2010 7:42 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
Another 'enhancement' might be to have a program occasionally email
people with the items they are currently signed up for, to encourage
editing.
--
R. David Murray www.bitdance.com
--
Terry Jan Reedy
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, geremy condra wrote:
No offense, but I've been specifically asked not to do demos with IDLE
because it looked 'unprofessional'. Given the constraint of working
within tkinter that may not be something
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Petre Galan petre.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
ival should not be resolved through PyLong_AsLong, but through
functionality/interface like PyNumber_Long, thus allowing more diversity in
accessing the PyArg_Parse interfaces.
Sounds like a reasonable idea to me, but it
Am 12.07.2010 13:01, schrieb Tal Einat:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
My point is that I don't think I am exaggerating IDLE's flaws. I'm not
saying that it is no longer usable or useful, but I am saying that its
current state is not okay.
So can
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens with notepad. Perhaps the
installer just copies forward the association from long ago, before IDLE
was available, or at least so
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
Doesn't absolute import help?
Not when both modules are at the top level; both acceptably provide
the same name. The let's-play-with-it script just wasn't *intended*
to be a module.
-Fred
--
Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On 12/07/2010 22:33, Fred Drake wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Oleg Broytmanp...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
Doesn't absolute import help?
Not when both modules are at the top level; both acceptably provide
the same name. The let's-play-with-it script just wasn't *intended*
to be
On 13 Jul 2010, at 00:59, Titus von der Malsburg wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:48:35AM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Titus von der Malsburg
That's what actually happens, so you can code it either way
That's great! None of the examples I found used the
Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens with notepad. Perhaps the
installer just copies forward the association from long ago,
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
I'm sure Brett will love this idea, but if it was impossible to reimport the
script being executed as __main__ with a different name it would solve these
problems.
Indeed! And I'd be quite content with such a
Not normally, no - there's no easy way to connect a checkin message to
a committer's email address,
There's a one-to-one mapping somewhere.
Unfortunately, no: we don't have email addresses of all committers.
Regards,
Martin
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On 12/07/2010 22:47, Fred Drake wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
I'm sure Brett will love this idea, but if it was impossible to reimport the
script being executed as __main__ with a different name it would solve these
problems.
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
Not normally, no - there's no easy way to connect a checkin message to
a committer's email address,
There's a one-to-one mapping somewhere.
That somewhere isn't readily available when I hit reply to the
checkin
2010/7/12 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de:
Not normally, no - there's no easy way to connect a checkin message to
a committer's email address,
There's a one-to-one mapping somewhere.
Unfortunately, no: we don't have email addresses of all committers.
What about the python-committers
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:47:31 -0400
Fred Drake fdr...@acm.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
I'm sure Brett will love this idea, but if it was impossible to reimport the
script being executed as __main__ with a different name it would
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens with notepad. Perhaps the
installer just
On 12/07/2010 22:52, Nick Coghlan wrote:
[snip...]
so it's usually just a matter of hitting
Reply and sending the review comment to the list. With a new
committer I'll make the effort to cc them directly in case they aren't
subscribed yet, but I expect everyone else to be monitor the checkins
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Fred Drake fdr...@acm.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
I'm sure Brett will love this idea, but if it was impossible to reimport the
script being executed as __main__ with a different name it would solve
On 12/07/2010 23:05, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Fred Drakefdr...@acm.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
I'm sure Brett will love this idea, but if it was impossible to reimport the
script being
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
Given how high traffic python-checkins is I don't consider that a reasonable
place to send follow-up and nor do I consider it the responsibility of
committers to monitor it. As you said earlier this *isn't* in our
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
An explicit error being raised instead would be just as good.
Ah, refusing the temptation to guess.
So the idea would be, when attempting to import __main__ under it's
original name:
3.2 issue a DeprecationWarning
On 7/12/2010 5:57 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
2010/7/12 Martin v. Löwismar...@v.loewis.de:
Not normally, no - there's no easy way to connect a checkin message to
a committer's email address,
There's a one-to-one mapping somewhere.
Unfortunately, no: we don't have email addresses of all
I'm trying to determine if this is intended behavior:
r\
'\\'
r'\''
\\'
Normally, the quote would end the string, but it gets escaped by the
preceding '\'. However, the preceding slash is interpreted as 'not a
backslash' because of the raw indicator, so it gets left in verbatim.
Note that it
On 12/07/2010 22:59, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:47:31 -0400
Fred Drakefdr...@acm.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
I'm sure Brett will love this idea, but if it was impossible to reimport the
script being
On 12/07/2010 23:23, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
An explicit error being raised instead would be just as good.
Ah, refusing the temptation to guess.
So the idea would be, when attempting to import __main__
On 12/07/2010 23:00, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens
On 12 July 2010 23:00, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
There should be an Edit with IDLE (sic) context menu item.
I agree, and thought about requesting such, but there is not and never has
been for me that I know of.
There is for me. I think
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Tal Einat wrote:
I have been maintaining my own fork of IDLE for several years and
manually keeping it in sync with IDLE (this was simple). The
difference is that there was no single major new feature I was working
on, such as the addition of a sub-process in IDLE-fork or
On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Fred Drake wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
I'm sure Brett will love this idea, but if it was impossible to reimport the
script being executed as __main__ with a different name it would solve these
problems.
On 7/12/2010 6:04 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
Given how high traffic python-checkins is I don't consider that a
reasonable place to send follow-up and nor do I consider it the
responsibility of committers to monitor it. As you said earlier this
*isn't* in our standard dev procedures and nor do I
On 07/12/2010 01:21 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com
mailto:r...@ronadam.com wrote:
There might be another alternative.
Both idle and pydoc are applications (are there others?) that are in
the standard library. As such, they or
On 7/12/2010 2:05 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
What I specifically want right now is Commit Authorization Privilege,
especially for IDLE,
Not sure who could grant that, but as far as I can: you have it.
If I were approved to commit patches directly, then by implication I
should be able to
Le lundi 12 juillet 2010 à 23:04 +0100, Michael Foord a écrit :
Given how high traffic python-checkins is I don't consider that a
reasonable place to send follow-up and nor do I consider it the
responsibility of committers to monitor it.
You don't have to receive e-mail from it. Just take a
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
On 12/07/2010 15:07, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:37:22 pm Eric Smith wrote:
re2 comparison is interesting from the
Kurt B. Kaiser:
The tear off menus are ugly as well as being non-standard on all three
major platforms.
Well, would you discard them? They can (occasionally) be useful.
Yes, I would replace the menus with ones missing the tear line.
Most of the GUI toolkits experimented with tear-offs
On 12/07/2010 23:48, Eric Smith wrote:
On 7/12/2010 6:04 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
Given how high traffic python-checkins is I don't consider that a
reasonable place to send follow-up and nor do I consider it the
responsibility of committers to monitor it. As you said earlier this
*isn't* in our
Titus von der Malsburg wrote:
None of the examples I found used the pythonic
exception style, that's why I assumed that checking the return value
is the only possibility. Reading the PEP carefully would have helped.
:-)
I had to read the pep fairly carefully before I noticed
this too, so
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