Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:19:59 -0700 Eli Bendersky wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:43:48 -0400 > > Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > > 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Benjamin Peters

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

2013-09-26 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 27 Sep 2013 00:12, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > > Le Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:54:49 +1000, > Nick Coghlan a écrit : > > On 26 September 2013 14:30, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > That said, there are changes that I think are definitely worth > > > making due to the concerns you raise: > > > > > > - the mo

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:43:48 -0400 > Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Benjamin Peterson < > benja...@python.org> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> 2013/9/26 Eli Bender

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:43:48 -0400 Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Benjamin Peterson > > wrote: > >> > >> 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:46:07 -0700 > Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > > >> 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > > > >> > Hi All, > > > >> > > > > >> > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the > 3.4 > > > bots > > > >> > (sorry ever

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:46:07 -0700 Eli Bendersky wrote: > > >> 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > > >> > Hi All, > > >> > > > >> > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 > > bots > > >> > (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - > > >> > http://hg.python.org/cpy

Re: [Python-Dev] Revert #12085 fix for __del__ attribute error message

2013-09-26 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/26/2013 3:17 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 26 September 2013 16:53, Georg Brandl wrote: Sure, that's doable, but it dumps the full repr of "obj" in the middle of the sentence. The thing that's not practical is the neat and tidy wording Georg proposed, because the thing passed as "obj" is actu

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
> >> 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 > bots > >> > (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - > >> > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/21d46e3ae60c - and used the 'with' > >> > statement. Some bots

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> >> 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : >> > Hi All, >> > >> > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 bots >> > (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - >> > http://hg.py

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

2013-09-26 Thread Donald Stufft
On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:22:55 -0400, > Donald Stufft a écrit : >> Ideally people won't be typing either of them because it'll be >> installed automatically. They might in some cases (accidentally >> uninstalled pip?) > > Installing from sour

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > > Hi All, > > > > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 bots > > (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/21d46e3ae60c - and used

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Don't use fancy new Python features like 'with' - some bots don't have them

2013-09-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 26.09.2013 15:42, schrieb eli.bendersky: > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/931d95e9067f > > changeset: 85801:931d95e9067f > > user:Eli Bendersky > > date:Thu Sep 26 06:41:36 2013 -0700 > > summary: > > Don't use fan

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Don't use fancy new Python features like 'with' - some bots don't have them

2013-09-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2013 15:42, schrieb eli.bendersky: > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/931d95e9067f > changeset: 85801:931d95e9067f > user:Eli Bendersky > date:Thu Sep 26 06:41:36 2013 -0700 > summary: > Don't use fancy new Python features like 'with' - some bots don't have them > and

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

2013-09-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:22:55 -0400, Donald Stufft a écrit : > Ideally people won't be typing either of them because it'll be > installed automatically. They might in some cases (accidentally > uninstalled pip?) Installing from source perhaps. > I agree that it seems there is paranoia going on he

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2013/9/26 Eli Bendersky : > Hi All, > > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 bots > (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/21d46e3ae60c - and used the 'with' > statement. Some bots don't have Python 2.6+ and couldn't b

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 bots >> (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

2013-09-26 Thread Donald Stufft
Ideally people won't be typing either of them because it'll be installed automatically. They might in some cases (accidentally uninstalled pip?) I agree that it seems there is paranoia going on here and that the risk is low and making it just be a special cased new feature is ok. However the poi

Re: [Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > Hi All, > > Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 bots > (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/21d46e3ae60c - and used the 'with' > statement. Some bots don't h

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

2013-09-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:54:49 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : > On 26 September 2013 14:30, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > That said, there are changes that I think are definitely worth > > making due to the concerns you raise: > > > > - the module name should be "_ensurepip" in all versions > > - the PEP

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

2013-09-26 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On Sep 25, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > Another reason to oppose this is what I've heard quite often from people > > regarding Python 2.7. I've been told that many folks are actually really > > happy with using 2.7 precise

[Python-Dev] asdl.py and Python-ast.[hc]

2013-09-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
Hi All, Earlier this morning I had a slight tackle with a couple of the 3.4 bots (sorry everyone!). I fixed some problems in asdl.py - http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/21d46e3ae60c - and used the 'with' statement. Some bots don't have Python 2.6+ and couldn't bootstrap Python-ast.h/c Two question

Re: [Python-Dev] Revert #12085 fix for __del__ attribute error message

2013-09-26 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 26 September 2013 16:53, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Sure, that's doable, but it dumps the full repr of "obj" in the middle >> of the sentence. The thing that's not practical is the neat and tidy >> wording Georg proposed, because the thing passed as "obj" is actually >> an arbitrary Python object t