Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

2014-03-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mar 23, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Mar 23, 2014, at 08:00 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: I'm unclear how this would be better than just biting the bullet and making a 2.8 release. On the one hand, the 2.7.x number suggests (based on the existing release

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 marketing document?

2014-01-24 Thread Jesse Noller
fwiw, I'm offering the keys/account/etc for getpython3.com to whomever has the time to keep it fresh and up to date. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Wes Turner wes.tur...@gmail.com wrote: Hardly marketing documents, but potentially useful nonetheless:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 marketing document?

2014-01-24 Thread Jesse Noller
I'm giving AMK the keys to the kingdom right now: AMK: Feel free to go nuts. Email me your public key On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2014 16:37, Jesse Noller wrote: fwiw, I'm offering the keys/account/etc for getpython3.com to whomever

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

2014-01-22 Thread Jesse Noller
On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:30 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 22.01.2014 11:56, Donald Stufft wrote: On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:51 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 22.01.2014 11:30, Donald Stufft wrote: I would like to propose that a backwards incompatible change be made

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

2014-01-22 Thread Jesse Noller
On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: Do you really think those people would be making the same complaints if they could restore the previous behavior with a simple boolean flag delivered

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

2014-01-22 Thread Jesse Noller
On Jan 22, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Christian Heimes christ...@python.org wrote: On 22.01.2014 14:55, Donald Stufft wrote: As an additional side note, anecdotal evidence and what not, but *every* time I bring this up somewhere I get at least one reply that looks similar to

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

2014-01-22 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: Never mind. If someone else cares they can propose it. I withdraw. I'll throw writing a PEP for 3.5 to do this following the deprecation policy on my todo list so 3.4 fixing can move on. I needed to brush up on my ReST

Re: [Python-Dev] Getting Tulip (PEP 3156) into the 3.4 stdlib, marked provisional, named asyncio

2013-09-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:59 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds like a reasonable approach to me. In terms of naming, would you consider concurrent.asyncio? When we created that parent namespace for futures, one of the other suggested submodules discussed was the

Re: [Python-Dev] Official github mirror for CPython?

2013-09-27 Thread Jesse Noller
Email me the name of the repo you want, and your github username (preferably off list so I don't miss it!) and I will set you up Eli On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 25,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:20 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: * security by obscurity in legal position of PSF towards contributors https://code.google.com/legal/individual-cla-v1.0.html vs http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ +

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:42 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote: Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ + http://opensource.org/ licenses/apache2.0.php and why PSF doesn't comply the 4. Redistribution clause from Apache 2.0

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit : Perhaps it's an idea to have a python-legal mailing list for these topics? I don't think it's fundamentally wrong to scrutinize licenses

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:57:36 -0500, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit : On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:57:36 -0500, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit : On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Stefan Krah writes: Why would [the PSF list] help to resolve such an issue (if it is an issue at all!) Precisely. If there *is* a compliance problem, there's nothing to be done before talking to the lawyers.

[Python-Dev] New mailing list: Python-legal-sig

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
See: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-legal-sig Open archives. As the header says this is for the discussion of CLA/other issues. If specific legal questions or alterations to Python/the PSF trademarks, CLA/etc are requested those *must* be sent to p...@python.org for board

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Stefan Krah wrote: Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com (mailto:jnol...@gmail.com) wrote: We have one: p...@python.org (mailto:p...@python.org) That's not exactly a public mailing-list. Nope. But it's also where lawyers flock

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Stefan Krah wrote: Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com (mailto:jnol...@gmail.com) wrote: Why would it help to resolve such an issue (if it is an issue at all!) for a single person on a private mailing list? See: http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] XML DoS vulnerabilities and exploits in Python

2013-02-21 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:18:35 +0100, Christian Heimes christ...@python.org a écrit : Am 21.02.2013 08:42, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: Sure, but in many instances, rebooting a machine is not business-threatening. You will

Re: [Python-Dev] XML DoS vulnerabilities and exploits in Python

2013-02-20 Thread Jesse Noller
On Feb 20, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:21:22 -0500 Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: It's not a distributed DoS issue, it's a severe DoS vulnerabilities. A

Re: [Python-Dev] My CLA

2013-02-11 Thread Jesse Noller
On Monday, February 11, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:07:50 +0300 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com (mailto:techto...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org (mailto:gu...@python.org) wrote: Anatoly,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3156 - Asynchronous IO Support Rebooted

2012-12-21 Thread Jesse Noller
On Friday, December 21, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Dear python-dev *and* python-ideas, I am posting PEP 3156 here for early review and discussion. As you can see from the liberally sprinkled TBD entries it is not done, but I am about to disappear on vacation for a few weeks

Re: [Python-Dev] Installation on Macs

2012-08-14 Thread Jesse Noller
I think becoming an apple signed developer to get a cert is the best approach. If anyone wanted to approach apple about open source/non profit gratis licenses, that would be appreciated. Otherwise I could do it / fund it from the PSF board side, which I am happy to do. I also concur with

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-22 Thread Jesse Noller
More fuel; fire: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-06-11 Thread Jesse Noller
On Friday, June 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Meador Inge wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:06 AM, mar...@v.loewis.de (mailto:mar...@v.loewis.de) wrote: I hereby predict that Microsoft will revert this decision, and that VS Express 11 will be able to build CPython. And your prediction

Re: [Python-Dev] regarding HTML mail

2012-03-19 Thread Jesse Noller
I'd like to discuss top-posting. On Monday, March 19, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mar 19, 2012, at 05:25 PM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: apology: I searched for a few minutes and could not find a code of conduct regarding HTML mail. I'm not sure it's written down

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-29 Thread Jesse Noller
FWIW, I agree that much of the rhetoric in the current version of PEP 414 is excessive. Armin has given me permission to create an updated version of PEP 414 and toning down the hyperbole (or removing it entirely in cases where it's irrelevant to the final decision) is one of the things

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3

2012-02-26 Thread Jesse Noller
On Saturday, February 25, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: If this can encourage more projects to support Python 3 (even if it's only 3.3 and later) and hence improve adoption of Python 3, I'm all for it. A small quibble: I'd like to see a benchmark of a 'u' function implemented in

Re: [Python-Dev] http://pythonmentors.com/

2012-02-10 Thread Jesse Noller
I've been trying to publicize it on twitter, my blog, google plus and elsewhere. help welcome. On Friday, February 10, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: Hi all, I'd never heard of this until some Dutch geezer whose name I'm now forgotten pointed me to it. Had I known about it a

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Michael Foord wrote: Hello all, A paper (well, presentation) has been published highlighting security problems with the hashing algorithm (exploiting collisions) in many programming languages Python included:

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Jesse Noller wrote: On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Michael Foord wrote: Hello all, A paper (well, presentation) has been published highlighting security problems with the hashing algorithm (exploiting collisions

Re: [Python-Dev] [PATCH] Adding braces to __future__

2011-12-09 Thread Jesse Noller
On Friday, December 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Cedric Sodhi wrote: IF YOU THINK YOU MUST REPLY SOMETHING WITTY, ITERATE THAT THIS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, REPLY THAT IT'S SIMPLY NOT GO'NNA HAPPEN, THAT WHO DOESN'T LIKE IT IS FREE TO CHOOSE ANOTHER LANGUAGE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, JUST DON'T.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-08-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Aug 30, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:29:59 +1000 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Anecdotal, non-reproducible performance figures are *not* the way to go

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 6721 Locks in python standard library should be sanitized on fork

2011-08-29 Thread Jesse Noller
2011/8/29 Charles-François Natali neolo...@free.fr: +3 (agreed to Jesse, Antoine and Ask here).  The http://bugs.python.org/issue8713 described non-fork implementation that always uses subprocesses rather than plain forked processes is the right way forward for multiprocessing. I see two

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 6721 Locks in python standard library should be sanitized on fork

2011-08-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:03:53 -0400 Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/29 Charles-François Natali neolo...@free.fr: +3 (agreed to Jesse, Antoine and Ask here).  The http://bugs.python.org/issue8713 described

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 6721 Locks in python standard library should be sanitized on fork

2011-08-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le lundi 29 août 2011 à 13:23 -0400, Jesse Noller a écrit : Yes, it is annoying; but again - this makes it more consistent with the windows implementation. I'd rather that restriction than the sanitization

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 6721 Locks in python standard library should be sanitized on fork

2011-08-26 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Nir Aides n...@winpdb.org wrote: Another face of the discussion is about whether to deprecate the mixing of the threading and processing modules and what to do about the multiprocessing module which is implemented with worker threads. There's a bug open -

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving forward with the concurrent package

2011-08-10 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 15:36, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:54:33 -0500, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org a écrit : 2011/8/10 Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com: Now that

[Python-Dev] Speed.Python.org

2011-07-04 Thread Jesse Noller
Now that we have the machine, we need to start working on collecting/organizing the resources needed to get a shared codespeed system in place. After speaking with various people, we felt that overloading codespeed-dev, pypy-dev or python-dev with the discussions around this would be sub optimal.

[Python-Dev] speed.python.org machine online

2011-06-29 Thread Jesse Noller
I've posted a more expansive entry on my blog: http://jessenoller.com/2011/06/29/announcing-the-new-speed-python-org-machine/ But the short version, that as discussed at the VM and language summit, we now have a hosted machine dedicated to the running of cross-interpreter speed tests, etc. The

Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team

2011-05-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: As Jesse has said, there is an RFP in development to improve python.org to the point where we can self-host blogs and the like and deal with the

Re: [Python-Dev] looking for a contact at Google on the Blogger team

2011-05-20 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: With respect to Google Blogger, I don't see a good reason to use it as the platform for the blog. As with any infrastructure, there is a reasonably high cost in changing, as people have become used to a certain way of

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 399: Pure Python/C Accelerator Module Compatibiilty Requirements

2011-04-19 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: [snip] This PEP has received a lengthy discussion by now, so here's why I think it's being fought so heavily by several CPython core developers, specifically those who have traditionally carried a large part of the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 399: Pure Python/C Accelerator Module Compatibiilty Requirements

2011-04-19 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: I think this social problem of the PEP can only be solved if the CPython

Re: [Python-Dev] Releases for recent security vulnerability

2011-04-17 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:32:48 -0500 Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: Three weeks after this security vulnerability was *publicly* reported on bugs.python.org, and two days after it was semi-officially

Re: [Python-Dev] Releases for recent security vulnerability

2011-04-17 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le dimanche 17 avril 2011 à 09:30 -0400, Jesse Noller a écrit : If we want to make official announcements (like releases or security warnings), I don't think the blog is appropriate. A separate announcement channel

Re: [Python-Dev] Releases for recent security vulnerability

2011-04-15 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 15, 2011 3:46 AM, Gustavo Narea m...@gustavonarea.net wrote: Hi all, How come a description of how to exploit a security vulnerability comes before a release for said vulnerability? I'm talking about this:

Re: [Python-Dev] Releases for recent security vulnerability

2011-04-15 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:36:16 -0400 Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 15, 2011 3:46 AM, Gustavo Narea m...@gustavonarea.net wrote

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/07/2011 07:52 PM, Michael Foord wrote: Personally I think the Gsoc project should just take the pypy suite and run with that - bikeshedding about what benchmarks to

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz scop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together.  I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts.  My brief comment is below. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM, DasIch dasdas...@googlemail.com wrote: 1. Definition of the

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 08/04/2011 00:36, Anthony Scopatz wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 07/04/2011 22:41, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:32:24 -0400 Tres

Re: [Python-Dev] Information about how cpython in benchmarked

2011-03-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Nick Stinemates nstinema...@gmail.com wrote: This is really great to hear and something I would be hugely interested in contributing to. Lurking has paid off :) Nick Once I get the machine in place, and the team engaged, I am sure they'll be looking for help.

Re: [Python-Dev] Documenting the buildbots

2011-03-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: For the record, I added a page documenting our continuous integration setup at: http://docs.python.org/devguide/buildbots.html Regards Antoine. that's awesome. should we document how to donate/add a buildbot

Re: [Python-Dev] Documenting the buildbots

2011-03-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:14:10 -0400 Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: For the record, I added a page documenting our continuous

Re: [Python-Dev] Information about how cpython in benchmarked

2011-03-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg tleeuwenb...@gmail.com wrote: PyPy maintains http://speed.pypy.org/, which provides very clear information about the relative performance of PyPy trunk against some

[Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
Hello everyone: I wanted to take a moment to outline another idea which came out of PyCon 2011 this year from numerous sources - a Python Core Mentorship Program predicated on the idea that Python-Core, and Python as a whole would be served by further lowering the barrier to entry of

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone: The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask questions when you don't have to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM,  exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone: The new list will also

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone: I wanted to take a moment to outline another idea which came out of PyCon 2011 this year from numerous sources - a Python Core Mentorship Program predicated on the idea that Python-Core, and Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: If you don't want a specific party snooping the site, just block that specific party. Why make a walled garden that *nobody* outside can look

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org writes: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if outsiders can be directed

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote: In a message of Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:14:02 -0400, Jesse Noller writes: Ben, In principle I agree with you - I would like open archives for the specific reasons you cite, but I value the ability for people who may

Re: [Python-Dev] Mentorship list

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Tommy tommywol...@gmail.com wrote: I was kinda hoping that a private list would have much less noise, and would serve the actual mentoring better. Maybe a mailing list isnt't the ideal tool? That is a hope I would like to see realized. I don't think we will be

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote: So... start two mentoring groups, one open, one closed, and see which one survives. I'd rather not. I'd rather walk away from the idea entirely. In fact, this entire thread is quickly becoming an example of why people

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Jesse Noller
Some remarks below. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM, DasIch dasdas...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Guys, I'm interested in participating in the Google Summer of Code this year and I've been looking at projects in the Wiki, particularly speed.pypy.org[1] as I'm very interested in the current VM

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:33:55 +0100 DasIch dasdas...@googlemail.com wrote: 3. Several benchmarks (at least the Django and Twisted ones) have dependencies which are not (yet) ported to 3.x and porting those dependencies

Re: [Python-Dev] blogroll for the new blog

2011-03-21 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: Doug Hellmann wrote: We are nearly ready to launch the new blog for python-dev. Cool. But I always thought planet.python.org was a kind of blog for python-dev. How will python-dev blog be different? Will add

Re: [Python-Dev] VM and Language summit info for those not at Pycon (and those that are!)

2011-03-20 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Nick Coghlan, 12.03.2011 12:43: I posted my rough notes and additional write-ups for Wednesday's VM summit and Thursday's language summit: http://www.boredomandlaziness.org/2011/03/python-vm-summit-rough-notes.html

Re: [Python-Dev] VM and Language summit info for those not at Pycon (and those that are!)

2011-03-20 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 07:32:34 -0400 Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: The reason why there was no mention is probably because no one intimately familiar with Cython was there, and if they were - it was not brought

Re: [Python-Dev] VM and Language summit info for those not at Pycon (and those that are!)

2011-03-20 Thread Jesse Noller
...snip IMHO, taking modules that currently only have a C implementation due to performance constraints and rewriting them in Cython is a much more worthwhile thing to do than adding an alternative pure Python implementation that other Python runtimes wouldn't use anyway. And at least

Re: [Python-Dev] VM and Language summit info for those not at Pycon (and those that are!)

2011-03-20 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Jesse Noller, 20.03.2011 13:51: ...snip IMHO, taking modules that currently only have a C implementation due to performance constraints and rewriting them in Cython is a much more worthwhile thing to do than adding

Re: [Python-Dev] Please retract my committer rights

2011-03-18 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 3/17/2011 1:45 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2011/3/16 Thomas Hellerthel...@ctypes.org: I would like my committer rights to be retracted. I have been contributing to Python here and there for 10 years now, and it was a

[Python-Dev] New committers coming online

2011-03-14 Thread Jesse Noller
As agreed to at the language summit, I have pinged the IronPython, Jython and PyPy teams for committers on their respective teams who (do/did not) have commit rights prior to PyCon. These people are: Jeff Hardy (IronPython) Alex Gaynor (PyPy) Carl Friedrich Bolz (PyPy) Maciej Fijalkowski (PyPy)

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Martin v. Löwis, 08.03.2011 23:47: I think everything here is as it should be. People who really cared about forwards compatibility could have known, but factually, most people don't care enough. Those then learn for the

Re: [Python-Dev] CPython hg transition complete

2011-03-05 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: I'm very happy to announce that the core Python repository switch to Mercurial is complete and the new repository at http://hg.python.org/cpython/ is now officially open for cloning, and for commits by those who had commit

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-02 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:43:27 -0800 Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: But I wouldn't be surprised if some people had regrets about the way the community works (I can recall at least one such case) and it would be

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-02 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:43:27 -0800 Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: But I wouldn't be surprised if some people had regrets about the way

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, In http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of past contributors, as in:        First, we did a survey of all

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Antoine Pitrou writes:   Following the example given in the original article, I was considering   a single freeform question: why did you stop contributing after your   last patch to CPython? (of course, that text

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's get PEP 380 into Python 3.3

2011-02-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: Now that the language moratorium is lifted, let's make sure to get PEP 380 implemented for Python 3.3. I think there are some minor issues to be resolved, but I don't think that should stop someone from doing a first

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: Le dimanche 20 février 2011 à 23:22 +0100, Georg Brandl a écrit : On behalf of the Python development team, I'm delighted to announce Python 3.2 final release. Python 3.2

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #10348: concurrent.futures doesn't work on BSD

2010-12-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I would like to know if it should be considered as a release blocker. Georg Brandl said yes on IRC. Under the condition that it is within reason to fix it before the release. What *should* be possible is to disable

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #10348: concurrent.futures doesn't work on BSD

2010-12-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote: Hi, FreeBSD 7.2 3.x buildbot is red since some weeks (or months?) because of a concurrent.futures failure. The problem is that test_concurrent_futures uses many (multiprocessing) POSIX semaphores, whereas

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #10348: concurrent.futures doesn't work on BSD

2010-12-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 29.12.2010 18:54, schrieb Jesse Noller: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I would like to know if it should be considered as a release blocker. Georg Brandl said yes on IRC

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #10348: concurrent.futures doesn't work on BSD

2010-12-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: If the functionality is not supported then users get an import error (within multiprocessing). However, RDM's understanding is correct, and the test is creating more than supported. Hmm. The tests do the absolute

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #10348: concurrent.futures doesn't work on BSD

2010-12-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Dec 29, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 29.12.2010 22:34, schrieb Jesse Noller: On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: If the functionality is not supported then users get an import error (within multiprocessing

Re: [Python-Dev] On breaking modules into packages Was: [issue10199] Move Demo/turtle under Lib/

2010-11-03 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:26:53 + Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Antoine is firmly of the opinion that making TestCase instances unpickleable is a feature... Apparently you didn't really understand

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing maintenance

2010-10-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: You mean: actively feeling responsible for it? I guess nobody - as for many other modules in the standard library. Or do you mean: who is willing to work on it, in principle? Both. Originally the module is/was meant

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing maintenance

2010-10-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Who is doing multiprocessing maintenance these days? I thought Ask Solem had been given commit privs for that, but I haven't seen any activity from him; and Jesse is, mostly, absent. Is anyone working on the

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug week-end on the 20th-21st?

2010-10-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, The first 3.2 beta is scheduled by Georg for November 13th. What would you think of scheduling a bug week-end one week later, that is on November 20th and 21st? We would need enough core developers to be

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing maintenance

2010-10-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:01:43 -0400 Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Who is doing multiprocessing maintenance these days? I thought Ask

[Python-Dev] PyCon 2011 Reminder: Call for Proposals, Posters and Tutorials - us.pycon.org

2010-10-25 Thread Jesse Noller
emails sent. January 19th, 2011: Early bird registration closes. March 9-10th, 2011: Tutorial days at PyCon. March 11-13th, 2011: PyCon main conference. March 14-17th, 2011: PyCon sprints days. Contact Emails: Van Lindberg (Conference Chair) - v...@python.org Jesse Noller (Co-Chair) - jnol

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I would like to recommend that the Python core developers start using a code review tool such as Rietveld or Reviewboard. I don't really care which tool we use (I'm sure there are plenty of pros and cons to each) but I

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:52 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 02:47 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I would like to recommend that the Python core developers start using a code review tool such as Rietveld or

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:53 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: Not to mention; there's a lot to be learned from doing them on both sides. At work, I learn about

Re: [Python-Dev] Mark PEP 3148 as Final?

2010-09-27 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: I saw the code for PEP 3148 go by on python-checkins the other day. Is there anything left to be done on that front, or can the PEP be marked Final? Cheers, Nick. Argh, yes :)

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment:  http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014r2=85013pathrev=85014

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:29:51 -0400 Fred Drake fdr...@acm.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: the first thing on the agenda is a complete rewrite of the developer docs

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 08:40 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: That's right.  It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and current. I'm sure you don't think

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