Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-05 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Christian Gollwitzer wrote: [... much good stuff deleted ... ] > wish is a type A program, it creates an interpreter and therefore must > link to the actual library. So is Tkinter. But Tkagg is not, it extends > a preexisting interpreter. Thanks, Christian. That's a good summary,

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-05 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 04.10.14 07:53, schrieb Ned Deily: In article , Kevin Walzer wrote: A Tcl library compiled for 8.5 can be loaded into 8.6 with no re-compiling required because of stubs. It has nothing to do with Python per se; that's just the way linking with OS frameworks work. > [...] When Python

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-03 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 10/3/14, 3:55 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > > Even if there were no incompatibilities, on OS X with Tcl and Tk (and > > other) frameworks, the version number is embedded in the path to the > > shared library and the linker normally creates an absolute path at that.

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-03 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 10/3/14, 3:55 PM, Ned Deily wrote: Even if there were no incompatibilities, on OS X with Tcl and Tk (and other) frameworks, the version number is embedded in the path to the shared library and the linker normally creates an absolute path at that. Is this because Python lacks the concept of s

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-03 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Hmm, I'm not sure that the other projects would need an update. In Tcl > world, there is the concept of stub libraries, an extra level of > indirect linking provided by both the Tcl and Tk core. If the extensions > link to the stub library (the standa

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-03 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 03.10.14 00:08, schrieb Ned Deily: So, to really support Tk 8.6, the only viable option at the moment would be for us to ship our own versions of Tk, like the Windows installer does. But it wouldn't be acceptable, IMO, to force other projects and users to migrate to 8.6 in the middle of a rel

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-02 Thread Ned Deily
In article , "Peter Tomcsanyi" wrote: > "Ned Deily" wrote in message > news:nad-40cb03.10344701102...@news.gmane.org... > > The python.org 3.4.x series of installers will likely never change from > > linking with Tk 8.5 by default. That would break a number of important > > third-party Python

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-02 Thread Peter Tomcsanyi
Thanks again for quick and informative reply. "Ned Deily" wrote in message news:nad-40cb03.10344701102...@news.gmane.org... The python.org 3.4.x series of installers will likely never change from linking with Tk 8.5 by default. That would break a number of important third-party Python package

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-01 Thread Ned Deily
In article , "Peter Tomcsanyi" wrote: > "Ned Deily" wrote in message > news:nad-d2ddcb.14070824062...@news.gmane.org... > It's October... > So I tried Python 3.4.2rc1 and it seems that it still links to Tk 8.5 on > Mac. > Does it mean that there is no plan to link to Tk 8.6 in Python 3.4.2 on

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-01 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 10/1/14, 7:51 AM, Peter Tomcsanyi wrote: "Ned Deily" wrote in message news:nad-d2ddcb.14070824062...@news.gmane.org... The easiest option would be a downloadable package that would allow the default python.org 8.5-linked _tkinter to be overridden with an 8.6 version. There may be some news

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Tomcsanyi
"Ned Deily" wrote in message news:nad-d2ddcb.14070824062...@news.gmane.org... The easiest option would be a downloadable package that would allow the default python.org 8.5-linked _tkinter to be overridden with an 8.6 version. There may be some news on that front in the near future. It's Octo

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-27 Thread Peter Tomcsanyi
"Christian Gollwitzer" wrote in message news:loh45o$14g$1...@dont-email.me... As I said, it doesn't have a special interface, you just load it and that's it. So if you do a tk.eval("package require tkpng"), your Tk.PhotoImage will magically recognize PNG. I will try it on the Mac, but on Wi

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-26 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Am 26.06.14 14:37, schrieb Christian Gollwitzer: > > Am 26.06.14 12:39, schrieb Peter Tomcsanyi: > >> "Christian Gollwitzer" wrote in message > >> news:lofciv$nq6$1...@dont-email.me... > >>> For PNG image support you can load either the Img package whi

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-26 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 26.06.14 14:37, schrieb Christian Gollwitzer: Am 26.06.14 12:39, schrieb Peter Tomcsanyi: "Christian Gollwitzer" wrote in message news:lofciv$nq6$1...@dont-email.me... For PNG image support you can load either the Img package which gives support for a large variety of images, or the smaller

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-26 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 26.06.14 12:39, schrieb Peter Tomcsanyi: "Christian Gollwitzer" wrote in message news:lofciv$nq6$1...@dont-email.me... For PNG image support you can load either the Img package which gives support for a large variety of images, or the smaller tkpng package. My first Google search for "tkpn

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-26 Thread Peter Tomcsanyi
"Christian Gollwitzer" wrote in message news:lofciv$nq6$1...@dont-email.me... For PNG image support you can load either the Img package which gives support for a large variety of images, or the smaller tkpng package. My first Google search for "tkpng" "python" gave no usable results. So I am n

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-25 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 25.06.14 21:26, schrieb Peter Tomcsanyi: "Christian Gollwitzer" wrote in message news:lodruv$k45$1...@dont-email.me... may I ask which features of 8.6 you need in particular? I need two of them: - Angled text - PNG image support with alpha channel (even if it seems a bit limited, particula

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-25 Thread Peter Tomcsanyi
"Christian Gollwitzer" wrote in message news:lodruv$k45$1...@dont-email.me... Hi Peter, may I ask which features of 8.6 you need in particular? Hi Christian, I need two of them: - Angled text - PNG image support with alpha channel (even if it seems a bit limited, particularly I still did not

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-25 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 6/25/14, 1:49 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: I can also add, tcl or tk or tkinter (8.6) is on Windows quite buggy. In fact, simply*unusable*. How so? Please report bugs at http://core.tcl.tk/tcl/reportlist or http://core.tcl.tk/tk/reportlist, as needed. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by K

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-25 Thread Ned Deily
In article , "Peter Tomcsanyi" wrote: > Many thanks for the quick reply. > I will try the MacPorts version, but I am quite Windows-based (I do the Mac > installation for somebody else), so I am not sure how to install all the > other packages that we use (NumPy, MatPlotLib, Pillow and maybe som

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-25 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Hi Peter, Am 24.06.14 20:11, schrieb Peter Tomcsanyi: I use the Python 3.4.1 installer from https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-341/ The Windows installation comes with Tcl/Tk version 8.6 which has some new features (compared to 8.5) that are very important to me. may I ask which

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-24 Thread Peter Tomcsanyi
"Ned Deily" wrote in message news:nad-d2ddcb.14070824062...@news.gmane.org... Probably easier, though, is to install Python 3.4 from MacPorts which does provide its own version of Tcl/Tk 8.6.1, the Cocoa version by default or optionally an X11 version: # after installing the base MacPorts sudo

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-24 Thread Ned Deily
In article , > Maybe this is not the right place for this kind of question... can anyone > suggest a better place so that the question has a chance to be read by the > person who is actually creating the installation packages? Should I try to > send this as a bug to bugs.python.org? P.S. Yes, i

Re: Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-24 Thread Ned Deily
In article , "Peter Tomcsanyi" wrote: > I use the Python 3.4.1 installer from > https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-341/ > > The Windows installation comes with Tcl/Tk version 8.6 which has some new > features (compared to 8.5) that are very important to me. > > But the Mac install

Python 3.4.1 installer on Mac links Python to old Tcl/Tk

2014-06-24 Thread Peter Tomcsanyi
Hello, I use the Python 3.4.1 installer from https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-341/ The Windows installation comes with Tcl/Tk version 8.6 which has some new features (compared to 8.5) that are very important to me. But the Mac installer does not include Tcl/Tk and the page: htt