Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-13 Thread Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users
Ralf Reköndt via Ql-Users wrote: > A simple bootstrap loader would do the trick, right? Why a complete > SMSQ/E in EPROM? As far as I remind, TT has written such one, having it > it one of my TT disks (for Atari). What advantage would that have compared to the full SMSQ/E? None. Marcel

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users
On Tue, 12 May 2020 07:34:08 +0200, Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote: > I am in the middle of multiple tests with CF/IDE and SD/IDE readers with > different type/size of CF and SD > > Few words about the 2 machine I am using : > > - Q40 with 1 IDE controller card with primary channel (master

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
> If it is the drives, well, that's the problem Thierry has mentioned. By the way I doubt the ISA bus reset is required, which is adding to the delay. Neither QDOS Classic nor my own Utility ROMs use it. Never seen any issue. ___ QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
Hi, > I could be wrong, and for sure I am, but I noted that smsq/e 3.36b in > eprom boots in an instant and I  suspect that smsq/e 3.36 start so fast > that sometime for unknown reasons hangs before the boot, this explain > the few hangs I have. > Apart from spinning up mechanical drives, I don

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Tobias Fröschle via Ql-Users
Well, you can bring up the OS from ROM without working mass storage. That's definitely an advantage, especially for the early days, when we didn't have fast storage (i.e. floppy only). Compared to the Atari, that's ROM-TOS vs. Disk-TOS (but not running from ROM) Tobias > Am 12.05.2020 um 19:12

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users
Yep, I am using last version of 3.36b. I revert back to initial original eprom, waiting the brand new Eprom (10 items exactly the same) i ordered from China Unfortunately I bought 4 eprom second hand from eBay, they are branded ST M27C1024 12F even if they look different from external: 2 have

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Ralf Reköndt via Ql-Users
A simple bootstrap loader would do the trick, right? Why a complete SMSQ/E in EPROM? As far as I remind, TT has written such one, having it it one of my TT disks (for Atari). Am 12.05.2020 um 18:28 schrieb Peter Graf via Ql-Users: Ralf Reköndt via Ql-Users wrote: Hmm, so why use it in an EPRO

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Ralf Reköndt via Ql-Users wrote: > Hmm, so why use it in an EPROM? You need some kind of ROM to boot the machine and load the OS. This can be a separate loader, like inside the Q68, but then it needs to access mass storage to load the OS. In case of the Q40 and Q60, the OS can boot completely wi

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote: > Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote: >> This issue seems to address newer SMSQ/E in Eprom, I used second >> hand ST M27C1024 eprom 120ns. I ordered completely new eprom from >> China the same Brand but with 100ns.not sure where is the >> problem. > > SMSQ/E

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Ralf Reköndt via Ql-Users
Hmm, so why use it in an EPROM? Am 12.05.2020 um 15:48 schrieb Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users: Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote: This issue seems to address newer SMSQ/E in Eprom, I used second hand ST M27C1024 eprom 120ns. I ordered completely new eprom from China the same Brand but with 100ns.

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users
Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote: > This issue seems to address newer SMSQ/E in Eprom, I used second > hand ST M27C1024 eprom 120ns. I ordered completely new eprom from > China the same Brand but with 100ns.not sure where is the > problem. SMSQ/E never executes from EPROM, it is always copi

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
Hi, Yes, thanks, that will be in the next version of SMSQE. I sent Fabrizio a preview version with that fix already included, I presume that is what Fabrizio is using I'm not sure whether that is his problem, though. Woflgang > >> Just a question - what happens if you re-load (per LRESPR

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users
On Tue, 12 May 2020 10:27:07 +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote: > Just a question - what happens if you re-load (per LRESPR ,not > automatically at boot time) Yes, I was about to ask the same question, but you bet me to it. It is probably the same issue as the one I encountered with my H

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-12 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
Hi, (...) > - Same Q60 as before but with SMSQ/e 3.36 on rom..here the situation > is more complex. (...) Just a question - what happens if you re-load (per LRESPR ,not automatically at boot time) 1 - the same version of SMSQ/E as the one in your Eproms? 2 - the same as the one you would lo

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users
Hi, I am in the middle of multiple tests with CF/IDE and SD/IDE readers with different type/size of CF and SD Few words about the 2 machine I am using : - Q40 with 1 IDE controller card with primary channel (master/slave) and secondary (master/slave) on the same Card so in total 4 IDE device

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
I have everything needed right here. If anyone wants to take it on and gives me a part list, I'll make a care package. Dave On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:09 PM Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2020 15:38:42 -0500, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote: > > > A

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users
On Mon, 11 May 2020 15:38:42 -0500, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote: > A small circuit can split the master/slave into two isolated masters > that would work in most or all cases. Is this of interest as a possible > solution? I thought about it but the problem is with finding all the deprecated 40 p

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
A small circuit can split the master/slave into two isolated masters that would work in most or all cases. Is this of interest as a possible solution? Dave On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:35 PM Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:42:31 +0200, Peter

[Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users
On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:42:31 +0200, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote: > Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote: > > -    As a slave I have a 4 GB Toshiba SD HC with a CF adapter Type II. > > Ah! Very good idea! With the right passive CF-IDE adapters, those might > not suffer the same problem as the SD

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory

2011-02-22 Thread Dave Park
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > Lee Privett wrote: > > Thanks, I think it is reporting sectors rather than memory as I > > seem to get twice as much, however it is telling me what I want to know. > > No, it's RAMTOP, i.e. the highest RAM address, but below the RAM are > the

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory

2011-02-22 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Lee Privett wrote: > Thanks, I think it is reporting sectors rather than memory as I > seem to get twice as much, however it is telling me what I want to know. No, it's RAMTOP, i.e. the highest RAM address, but below the RAM are the ROMs etc. On a QL you will probably have to subtract 131072 to de

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory

2011-02-22 Thread Lee Privett
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Memory peek_l(163872) I believe contains address of end of RAM. /Petri On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Lee Privett wrote: > I have a JM basic system and I am trying to check the memory it has before and after I plug the expanderam card in. No joy as far as I

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory

2011-02-22 Thread Petri Pellinen
peek_l(163872) I believe contains address of end of RAM. /Petri On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Lee Privett wrote: > I have a JM basic system and I am trying to check the memory it has before > and after I plug the expanderam card in. No joy as far as I can determine, > keywords in QDOS but

[Ql-Users] Memory

2011-02-22 Thread Lee Privett
I have a JM basic system and I am trying to check the memory it has before and after I plug the expanderam card in. No joy as far as I can determine, keywords in QDOS but I seem to remember a Peek somewhere, anyone? Lee - Back to the QL- ___ QL-Use

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-24 Thread matrassyl
Good news, I had forgotten to patch one of the IO component executable of BlackKnight. It is now giving me a tough game of chess on the Q60, at least tough for me as I am not a good chess player. If it beats me too often I will make it play GNU chess! Many thanks for the help from everyone. Re

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-24 Thread matrassyl
2009 18:11 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction matras...@aol.com wrote: > I have acquired the Black Knight Chess Program. I was informed it > would not work on modern QL systems but have found that it will when > the memory in the system is reduced. That is Black Knight will

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-23 Thread matrassyl
-v-d.com Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:47 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction > Hello,? You could try some of the memory reset utilities like Peter Beule's RES, available on my website at http://www.dilwyn.uk6.net/tk/index.html or if you have my PD library CD it's

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-23 Thread matrassyl
Thanks Tony, this works OK on QPC2, either respr or alchp, but not on the Q60. Duncan -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:49 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction matras...@aol.com wrote, On 20/02/09 22:44

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-23 Thread Marcel Kilgus
matras...@aol.com wrote: > I have acquired the Black Knight Chess Program. I was informed it > would not work on modern QL systems but have found that it will when > the memory in the system is reduced. That is Black Knight will not > run unless memory is reduced to 8MB or less, if this is done it

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-23 Thread Tony Firshman
matras...@aol.com wrote, On 20/02/09 22:44: Hello, I have acquired the Black Knight Chess Program. I was informed it would not work on modern QL systems but have found that it will when the memory in the system is reduced. That is Black Knight will not run unless memory is reduced to 8MB or le

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-23 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Hello, I have acquired the Black Knight Chess Program. I was informed it would not work on modern QL systems but have found that it will when the memory in the system is reduced. That is Black Knight will not run unless memory is reduced to 8MB or less, if this is done it will run on QPC2? 3.33

[Ql-Users] Memory Reduction

2009-02-22 Thread matrassyl
Hello, I have acquired the Black Knight Chess Program. I was informed it would not work on modern QL systems but have found that it will when the memory in the system is reduced. That is Black Knight will not run unless memory is reduced to 8MB or less, if this is done it will run on QPC2? 3.33

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-22 Thread ZN
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:39:50 +0200, Palenicek Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Nasta, Thanks for great info. > Thanks, thinking more about it, I should still address my time critical > routines into this slow-ULA memory rather than to expanded memory, > because slow memory is equally slow o

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-21 Thread Palenicek Jan
Hi Nasta, Thanks for great info. >available memory bandwidth, and usually less. When all is said and done, >you come out with about 50-60% bandwidth long term. Thanks, thinking more about it, I should still address my time critical routines into this slow-ULA memory rather than to expanded mem

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-21 Thread ZN
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:03:44 +0200, Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ZN wrote: >> The actual sharing is quite complex and effectively slows down the CPU >> access buy some 40% or so, unless there is shadowing involved, like with >> the GC and SGC. > [...] > > Ah, look who's still alive

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-21 Thread Marcel Kilgus
ZN wrote: > The actual sharing is quite complex and effectively slows down the CPU > access buy some 40% or so, unless there is shadowing involved, like with > the GC and SGC. [...] Ah, look who's still alive :-) Thanks for the details, that was interesting for me, too. Marcel _

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-20 Thread ZN
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:35:43 +0200, Palenicek Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Marcel! > >> I'm no hardware guy, but I'm pretty sure the ULA locks ALL internal >> memory during screen refresh, i.e. depending on model (EU/US) 50 or 60 >> times per second. The CPU cannot access anything at al

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-14 Thread Palenicek Jan
Thanks Marcel! >I'm no hardware guy, but I'm pretty sure the ULA locks ALL internal >memory during screen refresh, i.e. depending on model (EU/US) 50 or 60 >times per second. The CPU cannot access anything at all during these >times. OK, I will measure read/write time in the vram anyway. ULA shou

Re: [Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-13 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Palenicek Jan wrote: > I am working on some timing critical routines for standard QL w/wo > SandyQboard 512 (no GC, no Aurora). Do you know how is memory shared > between CPU and ULA? Do you know how (if at all) is memory delayed > when you need to access videoram at the same time ULA is accessing

[Ql-Users] Memory contention (CPU / ULA)

2007-08-13 Thread Palenicek Jan
Hi all, I am working on some timing critical routines for standard QL w/wo SandyQboard 512 (no GC, no Aurora). Do you know how is memory shared between CPU and ULA? Do you know how (if at all) is memory delayed when you need to access videoram at the same time ULA is accessing it? Is there any