[Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

2014-10-07 Thread pgraf
Hi,

I hope to offer three presentations, two of my software projects and 
one hardware:

* QLPUI: GUI with modern look  feel, themes, proportional fonts, 
and other features not yet available on the QL. Runs completely 
without Pointer Environment.

* QLwIP: Native ethernet and TCP/IP: Ethernet connectivity, 
webserver, email, browser and file transfer without emulation.

* Q68: Compact and modern QL compatible mainboard, running QDOS 
Classic and Minerva

While each of the projects might in some way be of fundamental 
interest, the QLis30 website rightfully asks to keep presentations 
short.

Any input where I should set the priorities?

All the best
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

2014-10-07 Thread peet vanpeebles
QLwIP sounds very interesting!

Peter



 From: pg...@q40.de pg...@q40.de
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2014, 9:00
Subject: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority
 

Hi,

I hope to offer three presentations, two of my software projects and 
one hardware:

* QLPUI: GUI with modern look  feel, themes, proportional fonts, 
and other features not yet available on the QL. Runs completely 
without Pointer Environment.

* QLwIP: Native ethernet and TCP/IP: Ethernet connectivity, 
webserver, email, browser and file transfer without emulation.

* Q68: Compact and modern QL compatible mainboard, running QDOS 
Classic and Minerva

While each of the projects might in some way be of fundamental 
interest, the QLis30 website rightfully asks to keep presentations 
short.

Any input where I should set the priorities?

All the best
Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

2014-10-07 Thread pgraf
As for presentations... is it possible to do some setup work inside 
the hall on Friday already?

That would make things more relaxed and productive on Saturday, as 
there are usually some problems to solve. A one day event might turn 
out very short anyway ;-)

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

2014-10-07 Thread Dilwyn Jones

Fantastic, Peter!

And if Geoff and the other organisers are listening, it would be great to be 
able to listen in to this via Skype if it is set up in time (and I am back 
home in time on Saturday morning).


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: pg...@q40.de

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:00 AM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

Hi,

I hope to offer three presentations, two of my software projects and
one hardware:

* QLPUI: GUI with modern look  feel, themes, proportional fonts,
and other features not yet available on the QL. Runs completely
without Pointer Environment.

* QLwIP: Native ethernet and TCP/IP: Ethernet connectivity,
webserver, email, browser and file transfer without emulation.

* Q68: Compact and modern QL compatible mainboard, running QDOS
Classic and Minerva

While each of the projects might in some way be of fundamental
interest, the QLis30 website rightfully asks to keep presentations
short.

Any input where I should set the priorities?

All the best
Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

2014-10-07 Thread Ralf Reköndt
Well, I have tried QLPUI and I can say it is a Brainsmasher. I know, that 
TT had a similar one in mind for the QL in the first place but that was 
abandoned and after all the FLRUN and DP and whatsoever software it had been 
a problem. There had never been an ICE and GIGAmouse and PE, if his ideas 
had been implimented.


So now we have the chance, to get a new and real GUI.

Ok, we have PE, but QLPUI would be a lot better.

Cheers...Ralf

- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones




Fantastic, Peter!

And if Geoff and the other organisers are listening, it would be great to 
be able to listen in to this via Skype if it is set up in time (and I am 
back home in time on Saturday morning).


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: pg...@q40.de

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:00 AM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

Hi,

I hope to offer three presentations, two of my software projects and
one hardware:

* QLPUI: GUI with modern look  feel, themes, proportional fonts,
and other features not yet available on the QL. Runs completely
without Pointer Environment.

* QLwIP: Native ethernet and TCP/IP: Ethernet connectivity,
webserver, email, browser and file transfer without emulation.

* Q68: Compact and modern QL compatible mainboard, running QDOS
Classic and Minerva

While each of the projects might in some way be of fundamental
interest, the QLis30 website rightfully asks to keep presentations
short.

Any input where I should set the priorities?

All the best
Peter 


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 presentations priority

2014-10-07 Thread John Gilpin

Hi Peter,

thank you for your comments.

This is, and has been for some time, QUANTA's sentiments exactly!! :-)

Hence our two-day workshops/AGMs with dinner the night before the first 
day for setting up as required in Manchester.


We (Sarah  I) are looking forward to meeting you all at the dinner in 
Edinburgh.


Kind Regards,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Membership Secretary
and QUANTA Treasurer
membership @quanta.org.uk
treasurer @quanta.org.uk

On 07/10/2014 10:07, pg...@q40.de wrote:

As for presentations... is it possible to do some setup work inside
the hall on Friday already?

That would make things more relaxed and productive on Saturday, as
there are usually some problems to solve. A one day event might turn
out very short anyway ;-)

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[Ql-Users] QL-is-30 Edinburgh

2014-03-31 Thread Colin Mckay
The latest suggestion was that in terms of a meeting room, the event would
extend over one day, i.e. a Saturday.

 

Supposing the hours will be between 10am until 6pm, i.e. 8 hours, how will
the various topics suggested by Geoff relate to each other in terms of time,
and sound interference?

 

An outside interest  could be introduced in the form of a talk from a member
of Edinburgh University's Computing Department on general computer
developments, just to give the boffins of the QL world something to aim for,
also general interest.

 

Will the event be open to the public? If so, then a two day meeting could be
more appropriate with only one day open to the public. QL people would be
needed to deal with the public. SQLUG can provide at best only four members,
unless some coffin lids will be prised open.  

 

Colin McKay

 

34 Taylor Avenue Tel/fax  01505 70 4471

Kilbarchan

Johnstone

Renfrewshire

PA10 2LS

 

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-is-30 Edinburgh

2014-03-31 Thread Dilwyn Jones
An outside interest  could be introduced in the form of a talk from a 
member

of Edinburgh University's Computing Department on general computer
developments, just to give the boffins of the QL world something to aim 
for,

also general interest.
This sort of thing was done in the Lucerne, Switzerland meeting a few years 
ago, when non-QL friends of Urs König's such as Marcus Limmaker gave talks 
during the QL meeting. That worked quite well and was quite interesting and 
surprisingly relevant. Although that event was longer than one day long so 
was easier to accommodate.


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-is-30 Edinburgh

2014-03-31 Thread Geoff Wicks

Thanks for the email. You have raised a lot of important points.

On 31/03/2014 09:56, Colin Mckay wrote:

The latest suggestion was that in terms of a meeting room, the event would
extend over one day, i.e. a Saturday.

  


Supposing the hours will be between 10am until 6pm, i.e. 8 hours, how will
the various topics suggested by Geoff relate to each other in terms of time,
and sound interference?
This is not possible to say at this stage. It depends on who attends and 
what they have to offer. Not everyone is happy to give a presentation - 
some may prefer to give demonstrations at their table. At QL2004 and 
QLis21 I had two software authors whose work I wanted to profile, but 
both disliked public speaking. They agreed to let me present their 
programs and to be present to correct me if I made mistakes and to 
answer any questions.


How to divide the time is one of the great problems. A criticism of 
QLis21 is that there was too much planned. I had planned a mixture of 
technical and general items and expected people to choose what they 
attended. In practice this did not work out. For example Dilwyn and 
Marcel had a full hall for a presentation on EasyPtr.
  


An outside interest  could be introduced in the form of a talk from a member
of Edinburgh University's Computing Department on general computer
developments, just to give the boffins of the QL world something to aim for,
also general interest.

A good suggestion and not ruled out. Anyone any ideas?

  


Will the event be open to the public? If so, then a two day meeting could be
more appropriate with only one day open to the public. QL people would be
needed to deal with the public. SQLUG can provide at best only four members,
unless some coffin lids will be prised open.


In principle QL shows are open to everyone.

I am not happy with two day events because my experience is that the 
second day tends to be a downer. At QLis21 people worked very hard on 
the first day and were tired as a result. Many enjoyed a relaxation in 
the bar after the show dinner and some overindulged. The next day few 
people ate breakfast. Most got up after 10.00 and went straight home. I 
had just 8 people for my GD2 colour tutorial that today is one of the 
most popular items on my website.


It is harder to find venues for two days and I suspect they are the more 
expensive venues.
  


Colin McKay

  


34 Taylor Avenue Tel/fax  01505 70 4471

Kilbarchan

Johnstone

Renfrewshire

PA10 2LS

  


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[Ql-Users] QL is 30 - Cambridge

2014-01-07 Thread Colin Mckay
As an extreme fringe member of this interchange I ask this:

The intention appears to be to do more than just turn up to an empty room on
the morning of the show, and quickly set up tables and chairs, also lay out
a number of extension leads. For better preparation, how many people are
there within practical reach of Cambridge to do suitable physical management
of the event?

 

Colin McKay

 

 

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL is 30 - Cambridge

2014-01-07 Thread John Gilpin

One of QUANTA's points exactly, Colin.

QUANTA Members in the Cambridge area? - I can't recall more than one or 
two if that and then there is always the problem of convincing such 
members that they really ought to get fell in and help (who?) probably 
those who travel halfway across the country to get there and can only do 
that if QUANTA picks up the travelling and accommodation costs.


When I first saw your name against this topic, I thought (yes just for a 
brief second) that you were offering to run an Edinburgh Workshop - it 
doesn't even have to be the QL is 30 one!!


Good to hear from you Colin.

All the Best.

Kind Regards,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Membership Secretary.
members...@quanta.org.uk

On 07/01/2014 10:51, Colin Mckay wrote:

As an extreme fringe member of this interchange I ask this:

The intention appears to be to do more than just turn up to an empty room on
the morning of the show, and quickly set up tables and chairs, also lay out
a number of extension leads. For better preparation, how many people are
there within practical reach of Cambridge to do suitable physical management
of the event?

  


Colin McKay

  

  


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[Ql-Users] QL is 30 event!

2014-01-05 Thread John Alexander

Um my last email seems to have got eaten by da internet here it is again:



I have written to Mike who runs the Cambridge Raspberry Jam to see if we 
can invade one of those after all it gets us to Cambridge in a nice 
place  with kindred spirits around .


Emulation of the QL via the Pi may also be a talking point.

It's only been a day and he's not come back as of yet so lets see what 
he comes back with!


Any further ideas from the list ?

John A
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Koenig (QL)
Derek Stewart wrote:
 Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...

Hi folks,

back on the QL retro track (after being busy with the JAGUAR for a while) I
would like to share my thoughts about a QL-is-30 event. I already had some
email back and forth with Rich last spring.

1. The QL (community) definitely deserves such an event.

2. Such an event should be hold in the home country of Sinclair and the QL,
in England.

3. It should be an international event, addressing visitors from all over
the world.

4. It should be held at an attractive place/city where beside the show
visitors (and their families) can enjoy other activities may it be
historical, cultural or just shopping/dining.

5. Catering does not have to be a priority as because of #4 there will be
plenty of restaurants/c-stores/markets of all quality and price ranges
available. And, BYO food/drinks always works at such events.

6. The event should be 2 days, a full weekend. Held in either in late
April/Mai or in September/October 2014 (to leave the summer free for family
vacations and avoid the cold and travel-unfriendly winter).

7. The event should be a good mixture of activities in a meeting room
(traditional QL show style), with desks for tinkerers, users and traders and
sessions  talks in a lecture room.

8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien retro
computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

9. The event should be promoted to a much wider audience than only posting
it to ql-users and ql-forum. More forums, retro-magazines, facebook, twitter
and the like. Even e-mailshots to (former) Sinclair/QL users.

Taking all this together my favourite location is Cambridge may it be at the
Cambridge Campus of the Anglia Ruskin University (with the option to visit
the Sinclair building) or in the Centre for Computing History. London would
also be an option as it is always worth visiting. I'm pretty sure
continental visitors mostly agree with my thoughts.

Together with my Swiss QL friends I ran the QL-Mac-are-25 international
show - the last big scale QL show - in Lucerne 4 years ago with a similar
concept. The website (with facts  figures, pictures, videos and
presentations) of that event is still up at http://tinyurl.com/ql-mac-show.
We had some 50 visitors. Thanks to the remaining funds of the Swiss Sinclair
User Group and donations by QUANTA and others the event has been fully
sponsored and could be ran as a free entry event (no admission fee). Total
costs were CHF 3257 whereof CHF 2532 were for the posh venue (rooms and
associated services). All work and travel by us enthusiast was voluntary and
unpaid.

10 days ago there was the E-JAGFEST 2013 in Duisburg, Germany - a two days
international event celebrating the 20th anniversary of the ATARI JAGUAR -
which was ran on a similar concept. There were some 50 visitors from
Germany, the Netherlands, the UK and Switzerland. Budget was tight, so a
fair admission fee applied. And back to topic, two QLers - Jochen and myself
- attended. Here's a playlist of videos about that event
http://tinyurl.com/Jag-is-20. Jochen and myself can be seen in part 10.

Even life is not easy and things get complicated sometime, I would
definitely work hard to attend such an event. Excuses like my car is not
fit, I don't like trains, a 4 hours trip within Britain is horrible, etc.
sound strange to me (and most likely to other continentals who will travel
much longer ways and days). If you're a Sinclair/QL enthusiast then such
things should not stop one from attending the show.

Just my two pennies...

QL forever!

Cheers, Urs


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Peter
Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:

 [...]
 
 8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
 addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien retro
 computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost 
negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with 
even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is 
primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not 
travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very 
clear focus on the QL!

I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10 
or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent 
German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can 
be.

Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all 
Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL 
will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority 
prefers a general event, it's fine.

All the best
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 03/12/2013 15:15, Peter wrote:

Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:


[...]

8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien retro
computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
clear focus on the QL!

I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
be.

Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
prefers a general event, it's fine.



I agree with Peter on this.  We need to think small - quality not 
quantity. If a meeting of 10 people results in benefits for the whole QL 
community then it is a worthwhile event.


Small events are easier and cheaper to organise. You can use smaller and 
cheaper halls - workplaces, schools, church halls or - dare I say it - a 
scout hut. Catering can also be done cheaply and easily. Tea, coffee, 
biscuits plus soup and rolls.


For this reason I liked the idea of a possible Edinburgh event 
especially as Peter and other German users had expressed an interest. It 
would be the core of a good meeting.


I have already announced my intention not to renew my Quanta 
subscription in January. I would be happy to give the £20 saved as a 
contribution to the cost of a hall,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Dave Park
I think we should hold the event in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Las Vegas has many convention halls and are ideally set-up for hosting such
a popular and successful event. Las Vegas has also worked hard to build the
infrastructure required to feed the massing hordes. Furthermore, Vegas has
entertainment and services needed to properly support the QL community in
the manner to which it has become accustomed. Why Las Vegas, though? It's a
holiday destination. Once you accept that for most people, traveling
internationally to get to any location means taking a holiday or vacation,
you logically end up in a situation where it makes sense only if the
location is vacation-friendly.

Las Vegas is vacation-friendly!

Now, I can hear what you're saying... Dave just suggested Las Vegas
because it's in Murica! No, not so. It will require less travel for all
you Europeans than it would for me. For me it would be a 4,200 mile (6,760
km) round trip drive. But I'd do it. :)

Sorry, I can't go on any longer :)

Folks, I love and care for you all, but I want to bang your heads together.
It doesn't matter if the show is large or small, here or there. We can
barely even put on a show, so the fact one might happen at all is a
miracle. There have been at least three good offers to host a show, and one
clear request for movement and funding by Quanta, and yet nothing has
happened. It is now very VERY late in the day to hit the April/May target
for a show. Everyone feels let down and nobody feels responsible.

For my money, I think Rich's (RWAP's) offer to host a show was the most
sound, and represented the combination of good location, minimal cost, and
best exposure to other users to grow the community. However, watching us
squabbling like little girls must have been very off-putting for him. We
should be thankful if he even thinks it's worth serving this community any
more.

We should all be ashamed.

Dave


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On 03/12/2013 15:15, Peter wrote:

 Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:

  [...]

 8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
 addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien
 retro
 computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

 Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
 negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
 even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

 I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
 primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
 travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
 clear focus on the QL!

 I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
 or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
 German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
 be.

 Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
 Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
 will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
 prefers a general event, it's fine.


 I agree with Peter on this.  We need to think small - quality not
 quantity. If a meeting of 10 people results in benefits for the whole QL
 community then it is a worthwhile event.

 Small events are easier and cheaper to organise. You can use smaller and
 cheaper halls - workplaces, schools, church halls or - dare I say it - a
 scout hut. Catering can also be done cheaply and easily. Tea, coffee,
 biscuits plus soup and rolls.

 For this reason I liked the idea of a possible Edinburgh event especially
 as Peter and other German users had expressed an interest. It would be the
 core of a good meeting.

 I have already announced my intention not to renew my Quanta subscription
 in January. I would be happy to give the £20 saved as a contribution to the
 cost of a hall,

 Best Wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Kenn Van Hauen
Agree! Let's get behind Rich's offer. Kenn

Sent from my iPad

 On 3 Dec 2013, at 19:26, Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com wrote:
 
 I think we should hold the event in Las Vegas, Nevada.
 
 Las Vegas has many convention halls and are ideally set-up for hosting such
 a popular and successful event. Las Vegas has also worked hard to build the
 infrastructure required to feed the massing hordes. Furthermore, Vegas has
 entertainment and services needed to properly support the QL community in
 the manner to which it has become accustomed. Why Las Vegas, though? It's a
 holiday destination. Once you accept that for most people, traveling
 internationally to get to any location means taking a holiday or vacation,
 you logically end up in a situation where it makes sense only if the
 location is vacation-friendly.
 
 Las Vegas is vacation-friendly!
 
 Now, I can hear what you're saying... Dave just suggested Las Vegas
 because it's in Murica! No, not so. It will require less travel for all
 you Europeans than it would for me. For me it would be a 4,200 mile (6,760
 km) round trip drive. But I'd do it. :)
 
 Sorry, I can't go on any longer :)
 
 Folks, I love and care for you all, but I want to bang your heads together.
 It doesn't matter if the show is large or small, here or there. We can
 barely even put on a show, so the fact one might happen at all is a
 miracle. There have been at least three good offers to host a show, and one
 clear request for movement and funding by Quanta, and yet nothing has
 happened. It is now very VERY late in the day to hit the April/May target
 for a show. Everyone feels let down and nobody feels responsible.
 
 For my money, I think Rich's (RWAP's) offer to host a show was the most
 sound, and represented the combination of good location, minimal cost, and
 best exposure to other users to grow the community. However, watching us
 squabbling like little girls must have been very off-putting for him. We
 should be thankful if he even thinks it's worth serving this community any
 more.
 
 We should all be ashamed.
 
 Dave
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 On 03/12/2013 15:15, Peter wrote:
 
 Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
 
 [...]
 
 8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
 addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien
 retro
 computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).
 Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
 negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
 even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.
 
 I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
 primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
 travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
 clear focus on the QL!
 
 I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
 or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
 German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
 be.
 
 Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
 Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
 will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
 prefers a general event, it's fine.
 I agree with Peter on this.  We need to think small - quality not
 quantity. If a meeting of 10 people results in benefits for the whole QL
 community then it is a worthwhile event.
 
 Small events are easier and cheaper to organise. You can use smaller and
 cheaper halls - workplaces, schools, church halls or - dare I say it - a
 scout hut. Catering can also be done cheaply and easily. Tea, coffee,
 biscuits plus soup and rolls.
 
 For this reason I liked the idea of a possible Edinburgh event especially
 as Peter and other German users had expressed an interest. It would be the
 core of a good meeting.
 
 I have already announced my intention not to renew my Quanta subscription
 in January. I would be happy to give the £20 saved as a contribution to the
 cost of a hall,
 
 Best Wishes,
 
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Dilwyn Jones
If a QL Is 30 happens at all (and it's more likely in September next year 
than April) wouldn't it be great if Peter was able to bring a Q68 (and any 
other personal QL projects he has working by then!) to show us at such a 
meeting!


Dilwyn Jones

-Original Message- 
From: Peter

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:


[...]

8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien 
retro

computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).


Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
clear focus on the QL!

I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
be.

Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
prefers a general event, it's fine.

All the best
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-12 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 11/11/2013 22:31, John Gilpin wrote:


On 11/11/2013 19:54, Geoff Wicks wrote:

On 11/11/2013 19:14, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 10/11/13 16:57, Geoff Wicks wrote:

On 09/11/2013 20:27, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 09/11/13 16:21, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening all,

new job, no time for hardly anything at the moment, so a serious 
delay

in replying.

In the event of there being a QL is 30 event, in the UK or 
abroad, it is

highly unlikely that I would attend.

Cheers,
Norm.


Hi,

Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!

Best Wishes,


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Please do not be silly...



I am not being silly. You are the one that's being silly.

Someone has to organise a UK show and Quanta has refused to do it,

Best wishes,


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Hey, Hang on Geoff,

I cannot find any record of QUANTA refusing to organise a UK show - 
ever.


Who's organised the AGM weekend for the past decade or so?

If QUANTA have failed to organise the right TYPE of event, then that's 
a different issue. It hasn't been for the want of asking for someone 
else (or some other sub-group) to put on a suitable event that QUANTA 
can use to hold their AGM at.


I seem to recall that it was you who condemned one of the very few 
other offers of help as unsuitable venue - a point that the QUANTA 
Committee had to agree with after receiving your report.


Another occasion of  You die if you do and you die if you don't I 
think!!


Can YOU get information from the QUANTA Membership regarding just what 
they do want 


As usual John you have missed the point. We are talking about a specific 
event.


When I suggested the Birmingham venue was unsuitable I continued to work 
for an alternative and in fact organised the activity program for that 
event.


That is the difference between Quanta and me,

Best wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-12 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 11/11/2013 20:59, Richard Mellor t/as RWAP Services wrote:

On Mon, November 11, 2013 8:54 pm, Tobias Fröschle wrote:

Am 11.11.2013 um 21:00 schrieb Peter Graf:


SQLUG could probably find a location and maybe pay for the hall in
Edinburgh or even possibly Glasgow.

Would be somewhere different and attract people both from the continent
and Britain?

Who would come?

QL is 30 in Scotland sounds cool :) I would try to come.

Peter

I might as well - It's way too long I have not been there.

Tobias


Actually, it might be a good idea - but the main issue is whether speakers
would be willing to travel!




Good to see so much interest and let's hope it can be pursued, but can 
we be clear on one point. This would not be an alternative to a 
continental event.


This would be a UK event. Who is going to finance and organise?

Best wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Quanta workshops: probably about 20 people. Based on committee members, 
local NEMQLUG group members and a small number who travelled from further 
afield.


Hence why Rich is making the effort to try to organise something so 
different for next year, to try to improve attendance. Hopefully, if he can 
get people talking about it now, he can succeed in making it a much better 
attended event than a Quanta workshop.


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Wolfgang Lenerz

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:53 AM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

Hi,


Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!


Let's not get sidetracked.

I'd like to repeat my earlier question : can anyone guestimate how many
people would attend? What about the last 6 or 7 shows, either in the UK
or abroad : how many people came (roughly?).


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Peter
Hi all,

as for estimations on how many people attend QL meetings, we had 6 at the 
German QL meeting yesterday. The meeting was local and not widely 
announced. Nevertheless it took 7 hours and there was so much activity, 
that we ran out of time. I have not seen such a busy meeting since the Q40 
prototype meeting with Tony Tebby in Eindhoven 1997.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz

Hi,

Quanta workshops: probably about 20 people. Based on committee members,
local NEMQLUG group members and a small number who travelled from
further afield.



Thanks Dilwyn. This is for UK events, right?



 as for estimations on how many people attend QL meetings, we had 6 at
 German QL meeting yesterday. The meeting was local and not widely
 announced. Nevertheless it took 7 hours and there was so much
 activity, that we ran out of time. I have not seen such a busy
 meeting since the Q40 prototype meeting with Tony Tebby in Eindhoven
 1997.



Thanks Peter, all the people who attended were local, right?


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread John Gilpin

Hi Wolfgang,

Over the past few years the attendance at the QUANTA events (2-day 
workshop, Evening dinner, and Annual General Meeting - held in 
Manchester) the average attendance -including Committee Members, has 
been about 17.


Regards,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Membership Secretary  Treasurer.



On 11/11/2013 07:53, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

Hi,


Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!


Let's not get sidetracked.

I'd like to repeat my earlier question : can anyone guestimate how 
many people would attend? What about the last 6 or 7 shows, either in 
the UK or abroad : how many people came (roughly?).



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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 11/11/2013 07:53, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

Hi,


Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!


Let's not get sidetracked.

I'd like to repeat my earlier question : can anyone guestimate how 
many people would attend? What about the last 6 or 7 shows, either in 
the UK or abroad : how many people came (roughly?).


Then let's be serious. What is the minimum number you would want at a 
continental show to ensure its viability?
Personally I would see nothing wrong with an attendance as low as 12. 
With the type of people who would be likely to attend a continental show 
you are likely to get a good cross fertilisation of ideas that will, 
either directly or indirectly, benefit the entire QL community.


Unfortunately we cannot say the same about the UK because, unlike the 
continent, there is no experience of running small scale shows,


Best Wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 11/11/2013 15:27, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

Hi,


Then let's be serious. What is the minimum number you would want at a
continental show to ensure its viability?


Actually, none. I just want to get a feel for the number that *might* 
come. Suppose someone were to organize something. Would it make sense 
to organise a location that can hold 20 people? 30? 100? etc


I'm quite aware that any number anyone can give is highly speculative, 
but at least I'd get a feel of what one might expect.



Personally I would see nothing wrong with an attendance as low as 12.
With the type of people who would be likely to attend a continental show
you are likely to get a good cross fertilisation of ideas that will,
either directly or indirectly, benefit the entire QL community.


Ah yes, quality not quantity...:-)

Thanks for your input!


I am suprised that so far no one has referred to the numbers attending 
the 25 year Lucerne show. I believe  about 20 people attended.


I am not sure that the Quanta attendance figures in their present form 
are  helpful, so a little amplification. As far as I can tell of the 
people who have recently attended a Quanta show only four have ever been 
to a continental event.  There is a complication that attendees at 
Quanta shows represent only about one twentieth of the UK QL community 
and a further complication that there have been no UK shows in the south 
for over 10 years. Thus the number of potential UK attendees is probably 
higher than 4, but I suspect you could still count the total on your 
fingers,


Best Wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread jms1
SQLUG could probably find a location and maybe pay for the hall in 
Edinburgh or even possibly Glasgow.


Would be somewhere different and attract people both from the continent 
and Britain?


Who would come?


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Ralf Reköndt
I would prefer Eindhoven. Ok, there were the best venues of my my QL-Life, 
my fault ;-). But I think, it would be best for all (except Sjef...;-)) to 
have a place to travel.


Cheers---Ralf


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SQLUG could probably find a location and maybe pay for the hall in 
Edinburgh or even possibly Glasgow.


Would be somewhere different and attract people both from the continent 
and Britain?


Who would come? 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Derek Stewart

On 10/11/13 16:57, Geoff Wicks wrote:

On 09/11/2013 20:27, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 09/11/13 16:21, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening all,

new job, no time for hardly anything at the moment, so a serious delay
in replying.

In the event of there being a QL is 30 event, in the UK or abroad, it is
highly unlikely that I would attend.

Cheers,
Norm.


Hi,

Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!

Best Wishes,


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Please do not be silly...


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Dilwyn Jones



Quanta workshops: probably about 20 people. Based on committee members,
local NEMQLUG group members and a small number who travelled from
further afield.



Thanks Dilwyn. This is for UK events, right?

Yes.

Dilwyn


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 11/11/2013 19:14, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 10/11/13 16:57, Geoff Wicks wrote:

On 09/11/2013 20:27, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 09/11/13 16:21, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening all,

new job, no time for hardly anything at the moment, so a serious delay
in replying.

In the event of there being a QL is 30 event, in the UK or abroad, 
it is

highly unlikely that I would attend.

Cheers,
Norm.


Hi,

Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!

Best Wishes,


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Please do not be silly...



I am not being silly. You are the one that's being silly.

Someone has to organise a UK show and Quanta has refused to do it,

Best wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Peter Graf
 SQLUG could probably find a location and maybe pay for the hall in 
 Edinburgh or even possibly Glasgow.
 
 Would be somewhere different and attract people both from the continent 
 and Britain?
 
 Who would come?

QL is 30 in Scotland sounds cool :) I would try to come.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Tobias Fröschle

Am 11.11.2013 um 21:00 schrieb Peter Graf:

 SQLUG could probably find a location and maybe pay for the hall in 
 Edinburgh or even possibly Glasgow.
 
 Would be somewhere different and attract people both from the continent 
 and Britain?
 
 Who would come?
 
 QL is 30 in Scotland sounds cool :) I would try to come.
 
 Peter

I might as well - It's way too long I have not been there.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread Petri Pellinen
I would be very tempted to come over for a QL30 event in Edinburgh.

/Petri



On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:01 PM, jms1 j...@supanet.com wrote:

 SQLUG could probably find a location and maybe pay for the hall in
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 Would be somewhere different and attract people both from the continent
 and Britain?

 Who would come?



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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-11 Thread John Gilpin


On 11/11/2013 19:54, Geoff Wicks wrote:

On 11/11/2013 19:14, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 10/11/13 16:57, Geoff Wicks wrote:

On 09/11/2013 20:27, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 09/11/13 16:21, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening all,

new job, no time for hardly anything at the moment, so a serious 
delay

in replying.

In the event of there being a QL is 30 event, in the UK or abroad, 
it is

highly unlikely that I would attend.

Cheers,
Norm.


Hi,

Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!

Best Wishes,


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Please do not be silly...



I am not being silly. You are the one that's being silly.

Someone has to organise a UK show and Quanta has refused to do it,

Best wishes,


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Hey, Hang on Geoff,

I cannot find any record of QUANTA refusing to organise a UK show - ever.

Who's organised the AGM weekend for the past decade or so?

If QUANTA have failed to organise the right TYPE of event, then that's a 
different issue. It hasn't been for the want of asking for someone else 
(or some other sub-group) to put on a suitable event that QUANTA can use 
to hold their AGM at.


I seem to recall that it was you who condemned one of the very few other 
offers of help as unsuitable venue - a point that the QUANTA Committee 
had to agree with after receiving your report.


Another occasion of  You die if you do and you die if you don't I think!!

Can YOU get information from the QUANTA Membership regarding just what 
they do want?


Regards to all,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Membership Secretary.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-10 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 09/11/2013 20:27, Derek Stewart wrote:

On 09/11/13 16:21, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening all,

new job, no time for hardly anything at the moment, so a serious delay
in replying.

In the event of there being a QL is 30 event, in the UK or abroad, it is
highly unlikely that I would attend.

Cheers,
Norm.


Hi,

Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!

Best Wishes,


Geoff
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-10 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz

Hi,


Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...


How very kind of you to offer to organise and finance the UK event!


Let's not get sidetracked.

I'd like to repeat my earlier question : can anyone guestimate how many 
people would attend? What about the last 6 or 7 shows, either in the UK 
or abroad : how many people came (roughly?).



Wolfgang

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-09 Thread Norman Dunbar

Evening all,

new job, no time for hardly anything at the moment, so a serious delay 
in replying.


In the event of there being a QL is 30 event, in the UK or abroad, it is 
highly unlikely that I would attend.


Cheers,
Norm.

--
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Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
27a Lidget Hill
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-09 Thread Derek Stewart

On 09/11/13 16:21, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening all,

new job, no time for hardly anything at the moment, so a serious delay
in replying.

In the event of there being a QL is 30 event, in the UK or abroad, it is
highly unlikely that I would attend.

Cheers,
Norm.


Hi,

Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-06 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz

Hi,
Just out of idle curiosity, does anybody have a reasonable guestimate at 
how many people (say Qlers only) would be likely to attend such an 
event? What if it was held outside of the UK?


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-06 Thread Ralf Reköndt

OK, I think, Eindhoven is good for that.

- Original Message - 
From: Geoff Wicks 
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30



On 06/11/2013 14:22, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

Hi,
Just out of idle curiosity, does anybody have a reasonable guestimate 
at how many people (say Qlers only) would be likely to attend such an 
event? What if it was held outside of the UK?


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There is no evidence of widespread interest in the UK.

I suspect something would be possible on the continent provided it was 
not too ambitious. There is a greater tradition of running smaller 
events in terms of attendance,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-06 Thread G WICKS





 From: Ralf Reköndt ralf.rekoe...@t-online.de
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2013, 18:52
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30
 

OK, I think, Eindhoven is good for that.

@@
Unfortunately Eindhoven is probably not available. It was used as a venue 
because Sjef v.d. Molengraaf was on the staff there. When a new head was 
appointed he did not know Sjef and was reluctant to let him use the school.

Having said that the Netherlands would be a good location because it is 
accessible from many other countries.

I think there is far more chance of an event on the continent than in the UK. 
Quanta has no desire to run a QLis30 event and is recent record on running 
shows has been abysmal,

Best Wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-11-06 Thread Ralf Reköndt

As I said.

- Original Message - 
From: G WICKS


Having said that the Netherlands would be a good location because it is 
accessible from many other countries.


I think there is far more chance of an event on the continent than in the 
UK. Quanta has no desire to run a QLis30 event and is recent record on 
running shows has been abysmal,


Best Wishes,


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