Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Tobias Fröschle via Ql-Users]

Done.

> Am 20.01.2020 um 22:02 schrieb Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users 
> :
> . Ignore!

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[Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users]

Test email, using different email address. Ignore!

Dilwyn
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[Klaus Frank]

Hello Dilwyn,
I recieved your email - too.
Regards
Klaus

-Oprindelig meddelelse- 
From: Derek Stewart 
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:12 AM 
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test email 


On 12/05/17 20:35, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Just a test to see if latest emails are getting through or not
Dilwyn
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Hi Dilwyn,

I received your email from the QL-USERS list.

I have a little busy to respond.

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[Derek Stewart]

On 12/05/17 20:35, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Just a test to see if latest emails are getting through or not
Dilwyn
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Hi Dilwyn,

I received your email from the QL-USERS list.

I have a little busy to respond.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Dilwyn Jones]

Oh, OK, I'll send 1,500 test emails to Tobias now as it's going direct to 
him by mistake.

(UK NHS hacking at work again)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Tobias Fröschle

Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 8:39 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

No. Doesn't work. Not at all :D



Am 12.05.2017 um 21:35 schrieb Dilwyn Jones <dilwy...@yahoo.com>:

Just a test to see if latest emails are getting through or not
Dilwyn
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[Tobias Fröschle]

No. Doesn't work. Not at all :D


> Am 12.05.2017 um 21:35 schrieb Dilwyn Jones :
> 
> Just a test to see if latest emails are getting through or not
> Dilwyn
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[Dilwyn Jones]

Just a test to see if latest emails are getting through or not
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Marcel Kilgus]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> I currently pay GBP9.59 for the domain and email forwarding, and £21.60 for
> the hosting per year. Personal email addresses from 123-reg with pop, imap
> and webmail cost GP2.99+VAT *EACH*, with 5GB space (well, it says "from
> £2.99".and here in rip-off Britain, "from" means you will usually be
> charged  more than that, you hardly ever end up paying the price you see).

I currently pay 7€ per month and everything basically just works. Had
this contract since 2001, some time in between the company (Puretec)
was bought by 1and1. I've never been a huge 1and1 fan, but it still
works fine, so I'm pretty happy regardless.

I don't even use 90% of what's included in the package, so basically I
could give you hosting and up to 492 eMail addresses (of the 500
addresses included ;) ) with your own domain for free if you want
that.

All the best, Marcel

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[Dilwyn Jones]

Umm, what price do you pay for your coffee exactly, Marcel???


I don't drink coffee at all ;) But I checked that a hosting package
similar to mine costs 5GBP on 1and1, so I figured it's probably about
one Starbucks coffee or 2 regular ones ;)

Marcel

I currently pay GBP9.59 for the domain and email forwarding, and £21.60 for
the hosting per year. Personal email addresses from 123-reg with pop, imap
and webmail cost GP2.99+VAT *EACH*, with 5GB space (well, it says "from
£2.99".and here in rip-off Britain, "from" means you will usually be
charged  more than that, you hardly ever end up paying the price you see).

Every single step in this seems to involve paying for something extra just
to get a minimally working something to keep an unpaid time-consuming hobby
going, this is the point at which I have to make a decision whether to spend
to do things properly, or give up trying to do things properly. I'm more 
inclined towards the latter at the moment.


Dilwyn 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Marcel Kilgus]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> Umm, what price do you pay for your coffee exactly, Marcel???

I don't drink coffee at all ;) But I checked that a hosting package
similar to mine costs 5GBP on 1and1, so I figured it's probably about
one Starbucks coffee or 2 regular ones ;)

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Dilwyn Jones]

Umm, what price do you pay for your coffee exactly, Marcel???
 

On Monday, May 8, 2017 12:30 PM, Marcel Kilgus  
wrote:
 

 Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> Modern IT is getting so bad we will soon be better off going back to pencil
> and paper.

I don't quite get why you don't just click yourself your own hosting
provider including a domain and eMail service and be done with it.
This costs as much as two coffees per month but I've been using mine
for 15 years now and never looked back. Sounds like the free stuff is
not working out for you so well anyway.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Dilwyn Jones]

BTW if Dilwyn's site is down I think I am right in saying that Urs' The 
Distribution has an image of the site,

Slightly out of date unless Urs has updated it since I last checked.

If anyone wants to host a copy of my site temporarily until I'm back on my 
feet (I am getting there slowly!) I'd be happy to send them a copy of my 
site on DVD or other means, ready to upload (I haven't got space left in my 
Dropbox, sorry). In fact, if anyone wants to take it over completely they'd 
be welcome, then I can get back to writing QL software again.


I'm not rushing to get it back online until these problems are sorted, I 
have far more important things to worry about in my life at the moment.


The remaining email issues to sort out are:

1. Investigate why such a high percentage of emails via the dilwyn.me.uk 
forwarding just "vanish". I've tinkered with several email providers in the 
last few days (and roped others in to send test emails) and that part of the 
equation is pretty consistent across all providers. As it's a paid service, 
I expected 123-reg to help. Their communication has been less than helpful. 
Even with spam filtering and flagging set to lowest possible setting, the 
number of test emails which failed to arrive was well into double digits, 
and consistent across the various emailing services used. This has actually 
frightened me - I'd always assumed people who told me I never replied to 
their emails either mistyped my email address or sent them to old email 
addresses or whatever, or that spam filtering knocked out one or two genuine 
messages, but no, our tests showed that just under 15% of emails forwarded 
via my domain during the tests failed to arrive. About 5% took 24 hours or 
more to arrive. I'm not an IT pro, but do you think this means I should not 
renew with 123-reg next time? Or not bother with a 'domain' at all?


2. Duplicate Gmails in Windows Live Mail. Looking at Gmail forums, it's a 
very common problem, none of the suggested fixes work in my case.


Dilwyn 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Dilwyn Jones]

Marcel Kilgus wrote:
Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Modern IT is getting so bad we will soon be better off going back to 
pencil

and paper.


I don't quite get why you don't just click yourself your own hosting
provider including a domain and eMail service and be done with it.
This costs as much as two coffees per month but I've been using mine
for 15 years now and never looked back. Sounds like the free stuff is
not working out for you so well anyway.
Neither is much of the paid stuff I use. For paid stuff, you expect support 
but my experience of support has not been good.


I pay for the dilwyn.me.uk domain and pay for the web space.

Frankly the domain has been so unreliable and support so poor I should just 
do away with it.


I use free services because I'm on a low income and can't afford the prices 
for what is just a hobby nowadays.


Dilwyn 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Geoff Wicks]

On 08/05/2017 12:30, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Modern IT is getting so bad we will soon be better off going back to pencil
and paper.

I don't quite get why you don't just click yourself your own hosting
provider including a domain and eMail service and be done with it.
This costs as much as two coffees per month but I've been using mine
for 15 years now and never looked back. Sounds like the free stuff is
not working out for you so well anyway.


I agree with Marcel on this. I used a free host for several years and 
was very satisfied until it was taken over by another firm. Initially 
all went well but slowly the advertising on the site became more and 
more doubtful until it reached the point where Norton rated the site as 
being dangerous, not because of my content but because of the advertising.


I did think of closing the site, but a revival of interest in the advice 
content gave me second thoughts. Since 2011 I have used a commercial 
host, 1&1, and I have been very satisfied. Last year I payed £55.75 for 
the hosting and the domain.  Although the QL interest in the site is 
diminshing I am developing non- QL content so that I can justify 
maintaining the site.


The main snag with a commercial host is that they assume you are a 
business and you get regular requests to update your contract with new 
facilities.


BTW if Dilwyn's site is down I think I am right in saying that Urs' The 
Distribution has an image of the site,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

The main snag
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Marcel Kilgus]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> Modern IT is getting so bad we will soon be better off going back to pencil
> and paper.

I don't quite get why you don't just click yourself your own hosting
provider including a domain and eMail service and be done with it.
This costs as much as two coffees per month but I've been using mine
for 15 years now and never looked back. Sounds like the free stuff is
not working out for you so well anyway.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Dilwyn Jones]

Thanks for your patience Alain.
This email saga is proving to be very stressful. I am now getting duplicates 
of all Gmail emails in my Windows Live Mail inbox just to add to my woes. It 
seems from gmail forums that this is a very common problem and almost as 
many reasons and fixes as there are versions of WLM, none of which work for 
me. I absolutely hate Gmail, not one thing has gone right since I started 
using it. Google should stick to search engines.


Purely in terms of emails, it's an inconvenience. However, as I am a person 
who uses different passwords for all websites, I have about 30 pages of 
login details to wade through before the old email addresses are 
discontinued shortly. As such, the email problems make it risky for me to 
change logins everywhere because emails currently randomly don't get through 
with no error messages, turn up in random numbers (usually duplicates), and 
sometimes turn up days after being sent.


Until these problems are sorted, I'm effectively out of the QL scene, I'm 
not going to risk making changes until I have no choice (the old email 
addresses expire end of the month)


Modern IT is getting so bad we will soon be better off going back to pencil 
and paper.


Dilwyn 


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[Alain HAOUI]

Oops...I am really sorry for you.
I was preparing a new released package for sending.
I think I will wait a little.
Good luck.
Alain

-Message d'origine-
De : Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Dilwyn 
Jones
Envoyé : dimanche 7 mai 2017 21:28
À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Objet : Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

At least his hacked emails didn't end up here, he he, I don't know where mine 
are ending up, half of them just vanish without trace. Things were so bad I had 
to resort to Yahoo (hence Graeme's comment)

Dilwyn

-Original Message-
From: Alain HAOUI
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:05 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

Yes, With the compliments of the new French president 


-Message d'origine-
De : "Dilwyn Jones" <dilwy...@yahoo.com> Envoyé : ‎07/‎05/‎2017 19:01 À : "QL 
Users List" <ql-us...@q-v-d.com> Objet : [Ql-Users] Test email

Just testing to see that the change of email address worked.
Dilwyn
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[Dilwyn Jones]

At least his hacked emails didn't end up here, he he, I don't know where 
mine are ending up, half of them just vanish without trace. Things were so 
bad I had to resort to Yahoo (hence Graeme's comment)


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Alain HAOUI

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:05 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

Yes, With the compliments of the new French president 


-Message d'origine-
De : "Dilwyn Jones" <dilwy...@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : ‎07/‎05/‎2017 19:01
À : "QL Users List" <ql-us...@q-v-d.com>
Objet : [Ql-Users] Test email

Just testing to see that the change of email address worked.
Dilwyn
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[Dilwyn Jones]

Ralf Reköndt wrote:

But the site is down :-(
Yes, a disaster occurred while trying to get my new email accounts and 
domain forwardings to work.


Of course I have backups here, when everything is working again, everything 
will be uploaded again (when I have a day with nothing else to do).


Ironically, I'd just been discussing a possible mirror of the site with 
someone on QL Forum. Bad timing. I'm suffering from "everything is going 
wrong" syndrome at the moment.


Dilwyn 


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[Alain HAOUI]

Yes, With the compliments of the new French president  


-Message d'origine-
De : "Dilwyn Jones" <dilwy...@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : ‎07/‎05/‎2017 19:01
À : "QL Users List" <ql-us...@q-v-d.com>
Objet : [Ql-Users] Test email

Just testing to see that the change of email address worked.
Dilwyn
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Ralf Reköndt]

But the site is down :-(


Am 07.05.2017 um 19:12 schrieb Dilwyn Jones:

Groan...:)
Thank you...wish I could say the sameabout my website :(
  


 On Sunday, May 7, 2017 7:05 PM, Graeme Gregory  wrote:
  

  


On Sun, 7 May 2017, at 05:58 PM, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Just testing to see that the change of email address worked.

Yahoo, Dilwyn is back!


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[Dilwyn Jones]

Groan...:)
Thank you...wish I could say the sameabout my website :(
 

On Sunday, May 7, 2017 7:05 PM, Graeme Gregory  wrote:
 

 

On Sun, 7 May 2017, at 05:58 PM, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> Just testing to see that the change of email address worked.

Yahoo, Dilwyn is back!

:-D
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[Dilwyn Jones]

Just testing to see that the change of email address worked.
Dilwyn
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[Ql-Users] Test email

[Dilwyn Jones]

Just testing my email accounts after reinstalling Windows.

Please ignore this email (unless you have just read it in which case you can’t, 
so recursively re-enter the Ignore procedure ...)
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Dave Park]

I didn't get this email. Something must be wrong with your set-up!

Dave


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Dilwyn Jones
dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.ukwrote:

 Just testing my email accounts after reinstalling Windows.

 Please ignore this email (unless you have just read it in which case you
 can’t, so recursively re-enter the Ignore procedure ...)
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[George Gwilt]

On 14 May 2013, at 15:01, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 Please ignore this email (unless you have just read it in which case you 
 can’t, so recursively re-enter the Ignore procedure ...)

Duly ignored . . 

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Dilwyn Jones]

Don't! Just as I was trying to get Windoze Live Mail set up, an Asian voice
rang me on the landline number unavailable  to tell me something was wrong
with my PC and Micro$oft had asked them to call me to put it right. Aaaargh.
Coincidence, but a spooky one nonetheless!

(Oh, and despite playing silly buggers with them, we didn't manage to get
them to tell us who they were!)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Dave Park

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:03 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

I didn't get this email. Something must be wrong with your set-up!

Dave


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Dilwyn Jones
dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.ukwrote:


Just testing my email accounts after reinstalling Windows.

Please ignore this email (unless you have just read it in which case you
can’t, so recursively re-enter the Ignore procedure ...)
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[Norman Dunbar]

On 14/05/13 15:16, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Don't! Just as I was trying to get Windoze Live Mail set up, an Asian voice
rang me on the landline number unavailable  to tell me something was
wrong
with my PC and Micro$oft had asked them to call me to put it right.


Quite the opposite I imagine. I get about 3 or 4 a week now, so it seems 
everyone is trying that little scam.


I listen politely, it's their long distance call after all, and when I 
get fed up, I tell them to:


* F*ck off! or
* I'm an IT Professional, and I know what you are up to, so f*ck off! or
* I use Linux, not Windows, so f*ck off!

Although I had one the other day, and I waited for her to tell me I had 
a Windows problem online, and I just told her to go away!.


They always do.

Sometimes it;s best not to be too smart with them though, a friend did 
so a while back and before they hung up they told him that they would 
call him randomly and frequently at around 03:00 in the morning for 
p155ing them about!


I find that while the wait for my ancient laptop running XP to start 
up (or, a VirtualBox VM actually!) they get very very irritated at the 
time it takes to boot up - must be expensive calling from abroad.




(Oh, and despite playing silly buggers with them, we didn't manage to get
them to tell us who they were!)
You won't. They closest (for certain values of closest) you will get is 
we are the technical support team for Virgin Media, BT, and a whole 
list of other Broad band suppliers, and Microsoft.


Still, it's fun - when I can be bothered.


Cheers,
Norm.


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Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
Thorpe House
61 Richardshaw Lane
Pudsey
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United Kingdom
LS28 7EL

Company Number: 05132767
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[Norman Dunbar]

On 14/05/13 15:03, George Gwilt wrote:



Duly ignored . .

U! You sure? ;-)


Cheers,
Norm.

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Registered address:
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[George Gwilt]

On 14 May 2013, at 15:25, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 
 
 Duly ignored . .
 U! You sure? ;-)


More or less. I was really wondering why QDOS doesn't have a vector setting 
long words to ASCII when suddenly - ping! - there was this ignorable email 
which I inadvertently sensed out of my eye's corner.

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[Norman Dunbar]

On 14/05/13 15:31, George Gwilt wrote:


More or less. I was really wondering why QDOS doesn't have a vector setting 
long words to ASCII when suddenly - ping! - there was this ignorable email 
which I inadvertently sensed out of my eye's corner.


Aha, I see. You inadvertently sensed it, and accidentally replied! :-)

I think the problem is because the instruction to ignore it is at  the 
bottom. However, it matters not. If you obey the instruction to ignore 
it, then obviously, you didn't ignore it.


Thus, we enter Dilwyn's recursive ignoring it scenario!

I'm having a bad day!


Cheers,
Norm.

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Registered address:
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[George Gwilt]

On 14 May 2013, at 16:06, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 
 More or less. I was really wondering why QDOS doesn't have a vector setting 
 long words to ASCII when suddenly - ping! - there was this ignorable email 
 which I inadvertently sensed out of my eye's corner.
 
 Aha, I see. You inadvertently sensed it, and accidentally replied! :-)
 
 I think the problem is because the instruction to ignore it is at  the 
 bottom. However, it matters not. If you obey the instruction to ignore it, 
 then obviously, you didn't ignore it.
 
 Thus, we enter Dilwyn's recursive ignoring it scenario!
 
 I'm having a bad day!

Ah! I now see the problem. I must have ignored the instruction to ignore the 
email - or part thereof. Does that count as recursion?

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Petri Pellinen]

Speaking of recursion... This is probably old news to everybody but there
is a nice Google Easter egg: Googling recursion gives you a Did you mean
'recursion' link :)


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM, George Gwilt grggw...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 14 May 2013, at 16:06, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 
  More or less. I was really wondering why QDOS doesn't have a vector
 setting long words to ASCII when suddenly - ping! - there was this
 ignorable email which I inadvertently sensed out of my eye's corner.
 
  Aha, I see. You inadvertently sensed it, and accidentally replied! :-)
 
  I think the problem is because the instruction to ignore it is at  the
 bottom. However, it matters not. If you obey the instruction to ignore it,
 then obviously, you didn't ignore it.
 
  Thus, we enter Dilwyn's recursive ignoring it scenario!
 
  I'm having a bad day!

 Ah! I now see the problem. I must have ignored the instruction to ignore
 the email - or part thereof. Does that count as recursion?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Wolfgang Lenerz]

Hi,

 More or less. I was really wondering why QDOS doesn't have a vector
 setting long words to ASCII

Perhaps this will help.

; on entry, D0 = long int to convert to ascii
; A0 = space for ascii chars
; D1-D3,D7 : smashed
cvtlong   CMP.L #$8000,D0
  BEQ.S oor ; don't convert this
  LEA   table,A2
  MOVEQ #11,D1
  MOVEQ #0,D7
  BTST  #31,D0  ; is it minus?
  BEQ.S binlop1
  NEG.L D0
  BSET  #0,D7
binlop1   SUBQ.W#1,D1   ; get rid of excess 0s
  CMP.L (A2)+,D0
  BLT.S binlop1
  SUBQ.L#4,A2
  MOVE.WD1,(A0)+; this will be length of final 
figure

  TST.W D7  ; was it minus?
  BEQ.S binlop2
  ADDQ.W#1,-2(A0)
  MOVE.B#'-',(A0)+
binlop2   MOVE.L(A2)+,D3; merci Thierry!
  MOVEQ #-$30,D2
binlop3   SUB.L D3,D0
  DBMI  D2,binlop3  ; sub this until neg (i.e. 
subbed too much)

  NEG.B D2
  MOVE.BD2,(A0)+; figure now
  ADD.L D3,D0   ; overshot one
  DBRA  D1,binlop2  ; do it until no more...
cvtoutMOVEQ #0,D0
  RTS

oor   MOVEQ #-4,D0
  RTS

table dc.l  10
  dc.l  1
  dc.l  1000
  dc.l  100
  dc.l  10
table2dc.l  1
  dc.l  1000
  dc.l  100   ; 64
  dc.l  10
  dc.l  1

Wolfgang

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[George Gwilt]

On 14 May 2013, at 16:24, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

 Hi,
 
  More or less. I was really wondering why QDOS doesn't have a vector
  setting long words to ASCII
 
 Perhaps this will help.
 
 ; on entry, D0 = long int to convert to ascii
 ; A0 = space for ascii chars
 ; D1-D3,D7 : smashed
 cvtlong   CMP.L #$8000,D0
  BEQ.S oor; don't convert this
  LEA   table,A2
  MOVEQ #11,D1
  MOVEQ #0,D7
  BTST  #31,D0  ; is it minus?
  BEQ.S binlop1
  NEG.L D0
  BSET  #0,D7
 binlop1   SUBQ.W#1,D1   ; get rid of excess 0s
  CMP.L (A2)+,D0
  BLT.S binlop1
  SUBQ.L#4,A2
  MOVE.WD1,(A0)+; this will be length of final figure
  TST.W D7  ; was it minus?
  BEQ.S binlop2
  ADDQ.W#1,-2(A0)
  MOVE.B#'-',(A0)+
 binlop2   MOVE.L(A2)+,D3; merci Thierry!
  MOVEQ #-$30,D2
 binlop3   SUB.L D3,D0
  DBMI  D2,binlop3  ; sub this until neg (i.e. subbed too 
 much)
  NEG.B D2
  MOVE.BD2,(A0)+; figure now
  ADD.L D3,D0   ; overshot one
  DBRA  D1,binlop2  ; do it until no more...
 cvtoutMOVEQ #0,D0
 RTS
 
 oor   MOVEQ #-4,D0
  RTS
 
 table dc.l  10
  dc.l  1
  dc.l  1000
  dc.l  100
  dc.l  10
 table2dc.l  1
  dc.l  1000
  dc.l  100   ; 64
  dc.l  10
  dc.l  1
 
 Wolfgang

Interesting. I used:



George
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[Wolfgang Lenerz]

Wolfgang


Interesting. I used:



George
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SCNR

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[George Gwilt]

On 14 May 2013, at 16:54, George Gwilt wrote:

 
 Interesting. I used:
 


 This is what should have appeared earlier!!

At entry:
D0.L contains the (positive) number
A0 points to the end of the area to
contain the ASCII result

 At exit
D0 = 0
A0 points to the start of the number

LTODSWAPD0
BEQ.S   LTODW2
MOVE.W   D0,D1
BEQ.S   LTODW
EXT.L   D1
DIVU#10,D1
SWAPD1
MOVE.W D1,D0
SWAPD0
DIVU#10,D0
SWAPD0
ADDI.W  #48,D0
MOVE.B  D0,-(A0)
SWAPD0
MOVE.W   D0,D1
MOVE.L  D1,D0
BRA.S   LTOD
LTODW1  DIVU#10,D1
SWAPD0
LTODW2  ADDI.W  #48,D0
MOVE.B  D0,-(A0)
CLR.W   D0
LTODW   SWAPD0
BNE.S   LTODW1
RTS 

This, and a further routine to deal with negatives, is in the Library files on 
my website.


 
 
 George

George

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[George Gwilt]

On 14 May 2013, at 16:57, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

 And that works?

A treat.

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test email

[WILLIAM WAUGH]

Oh lucky you, we get two or three a day, although I couldn't say it's PC stuff 
as I didn't use to answer them on the understanding their calling software mark 
you as live if you answered, HA I forgot our answer machine was on so they 
know it's live anyway, they come up as Internation out of area as we have 
relatives abroad it is an annoyance though.
I once got a location (an area in India - surprise) put it into Google maps and 
was amazed at the number of call centres that came up in that area- thanks 
Google, try it some time you;ll be impressed (or not)
Something should be done - petition the Indian high commission or something - 
an embargo on lucky beads wont suffice I think

All the best - Bill




 From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 15:24
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test email
 

Quite the opposite I imagine. I get about 3 or 4 a week now, so it seems 
everyone is trying that little scam.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Ade Vickers]

Tony Firshman wrote: 

 
 That reminds me of a shaggy dog story (slightly amended)  as 
 to why there was a dead person in the shower surrounded by 
 empty shampoo bottles:
 
 1 Wet hair
 2) Apply shampoo and rub in
 3) Rinse
 4) Repeat
 
 The dead guy was a QL programmer.
 

Surely in that case the instructions would have needed to be:

REPeat
   Wet_Hair
   Apply_shampoo_and_rub_in
   Rinse
END REPeat

?

(line numbers ommitted because life's too short)

Cheers!
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Tony Firshman]

On Jan 10, at 09:11 | Jan10, Ade Vickers wrote:

 Tony Firshman wrote: 
 
 
 That reminds me of a shaggy dog story (slightly amended)  as 
 to why there was a dead person in the shower surrounded by 
 empty shampoo bottles:
 
 1 Wet hair
 2) Apply shampoo and rub in
 3) Rinse
 4) Repeat
 
 The dead guy was a QL programmer.
 
 
 Surely in that case the instructions would have needed to be:
 
 REPeat
   Wet_Hair
   Apply_shampoo_and_rub_in
   Rinse
 END REPeat
 
 ?
 
 (line numbers ommitted because life's too short)
 
 Cheers!
 Ade. 
 
 
Pedant (8-)#

(Pot calling the kettle black).

Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Ade Vickers]

Tony Firshman wrote:
 
 On Jan 10, at 09:11 | Jan10, Ade Vickers wrote:
 
  Tony Firshman wrote: 
  
  
  That reminds me of a shaggy dog story (slightly amended)  
 as to why 
  there was a dead person in the shower surrounded by empty shampoo 
  bottles:
  
  1 Wet hair
  2) Apply shampoo and rub in
  3) Rinse
  4) Repeat
  
  The dead guy was a QL programmer.
  
  
  Surely in that case the instructions would have needed to be:
  
  REPeat
Wet_Hair
Apply_shampoo_and_rub_in
Rinse
  END REPeat
  
  ?
  
  (line numbers ommitted because life's too short)
  
  Cheers!
  Ade. 
  
  
 Pedant (8-)#
 
 (Pot calling the kettle black).
 

The sad thing is, I really had to rack my brains to remember the repeat/end
repeat structure... It's been far too long since I used SuperBASIC in anger.

But yes, it was a bit of a pedant call, sorry (is there a sheepish grin
emoticon?)

Cheers!
Ade.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[gdgqler]

On 9 Jan 2012, at 19:04, Andrew Stephen wrote:

 On Jan 10, 2012 4:50 AM, gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Please ignore this.
 
 George
 
 4/10
 
 While polite, the plea lacked sincerity. Little attention to form or
 substance. Better effort required.
 

How about:

I would be extremely grateful if you would ignore this email if you receive 
it. But, if you don't (ignore it I mean) there is not a lot I can do about it.

Of course, I must apologise for giving you all so many useless words to read.

Actually, the reason for this test was to see whether the email was sent back 
to me as one of the group. I can now tell you that it wasn't.

So thanks to those who did not ignore this.

George

PS Please ignore this.

GG
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Tony Firshman]

On Jan 10, at 09:37 | Jan10, Ade Vickers wrote:

 Tony Firshman wrote:
 
 On Jan 10, at 09:11 | Jan10, Ade Vickers wrote:
 
 Tony Firshman wrote: 
 
 
 That reminds me of a shaggy dog story (slightly amended)  
 as to why 
 there was a dead person in the shower surrounded by empty shampoo 
 bottles:
 
 1 Wet hair
 2) Apply shampoo and rub in
 3) Rinse
 4) Repeat
 
 The dead guy was a QL programmer.
 
 
 Surely in that case the instructions would have needed to be:
 
 REPeat
  Wet_Hair
  Apply_shampoo_and_rub_in
  Rinse
 END REPeat
 
 ?
 
 (line numbers ommitted because life's too short)
 
 Cheers!
 Ade. 
 
 
 Pedant (8-)#
 
 (Pot calling the kettle black).
 
 
 The sad thing is, I really had to rack my brains to remember the repeat/end
 repeat structure... It's been far too long since I used SuperBASIC in anger.
 
 But yes, it was a bit of a pedant call, sorry (is there a sheepish grin
 emoticon?)
 
;-) baabaa

I only commented really as I am usually the pedant.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Dilwyn Jones]

So thanks to those who did not ignore this.

George

PS Please ignore this.

GG

Would that be 'ignore the PS' or 'ignore the GG'?


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[gdgqler]

On 10 Jan 2012, at 10:25, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 
 So thanks to those who did not ignore this.
 George
 PS Please ignore this.
 GG
 Would that be 'ignore the PS' or 'ignore the GG'?

Just the this.

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Geoff Wicks]

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From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:30 AM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test


Pedant (8-)#

(Pot calling the kettle black).

Tony



Why the sudden outbreak of testy emails ;-)?

Best Wishes,



Geoff 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Tony Firshman]

On Jan 10, at 12:17 | Jan10, Geoff Wicks wrote:

 
 
 --
 From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:30 AM
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Test
 
 Pedant (8-)#
 (Pot calling the kettle black).
 Tony
 
 Why the sudden outbreak of testy emails ;-)?
 
Not at all - didn't you see the smile. It was a J O K E.
  and the 'pot' comment was against *me* (8-)#

Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Marcel Kilgus]

Tony Firshman wrote:
 Pedant (8-)#
 (Pot calling the kettle black).
 Tony
 
 Why the sudden outbreak of testy emails ;-)?
 
 Not at all - didn't you see the smile. It was a J O K E.
   and the 'pot' comment was against *me* (8-)#

WSH!

That's the sound of Geoff's joke going right over your head ;-)

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Tony Firshman]

On Jan 10, at 13:12 | Jan10, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

 Tony Firshman wrote:
 Pedant (8-)#
 (Pot calling the kettle black).
 Tony
 
 Why the sudden outbreak of testy emails ;-)?
 
 Not at all - didn't you see the smile. It was a J O K E.
   and the 'pot' comment was against *me* (8-)#
 
 WSH!
 
 That's the sound of Geoff's joke going right over your head ;-)
 
Nope - betweens my legs (8-)#

Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Ade Vickers]

Tony Firshman wrote:

 On Jan 10, at 13:12 | Jan10, Marcel Kilgus wrote:
 
  Tony Firshman wrote:
  Pedant (8-)#
  (Pot calling the kettle black).
  Tony
  
  Why the sudden outbreak of testy emails ;-)?
  
  Not at all - didn't you see the smile. It was a J O K E.
    and the 'pot' comment was against *me* (8-)#
  
  WSH!
  
  That's the sound of Geoff's joke going right over your head ;-)
  
 Nope - betweens my legs (8-)#

Oooh, that's a low blow

;-)

Cheers!
Ade.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Billy]

On 10/01/2012 13:35, Ade Vickers wrote:

Tony Firshman wrote:


On Jan 10, at 13:12 | Jan10, Marcel Kilgus wrote:


Tony Firshman wrote:

Pedant (8-)#
(Pot calling the kettle black).
Tony

Why the sudden outbreak of testy emails ;-)?


Not at all - didn't you see the smile. It was a J O K E.
  and the 'pot' comment was against *me* (8-)#

WSH!

That's the sound of Geoff's joke going right over your head ;-)


Nope - betweens my legs (8-)#

Oooh, that's a low blow

;-)

Cheers!
Ade.


What else would you expect of testy mails (oh no there's another pun)

All the best - Bill (ducking)
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[gdgqler]

Please ignore this.

George
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[Dave Park]

Ignored. 

Dave

On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please ignore this.
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Andrew Stephen]

On Jan 10, 2012 4:50 AM, gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please ignore this.

 George

4/10

While polite, the plea lacked sincerity. Little attention to form or
substance. Better effort required.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Norman Dunbar]

Please ignore this.


I always have problems with these types of emails. For example, if I 
ignore it, I have in actual fact followed the instructions to the letter 
and in doing so, cannot possibly have ignored it!


I once had an argument with a college lecturer who handed out an 
exam paper with 20 questions. You know the one, where you are supposed 
to read all the questions before starting.


Questions 1 - 19 were all decent enough and testing questions, question 
20 simply stated do questions 1 to 5 only.


My argument was that in doing so, we have actually carried out 1 to 5 
AND 20 which meant that we should have failed! Eventually, I wore him 
down and he agreed that I was correct.


Sometimes, I wonder if my mother and father were married at the time of 
my conception! ;-)



Cheers,
Norm.

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Registered address:
Thorpe House
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Pudsey
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United Kingdom
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Billy]

On 09/01/2012 19:42, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Please ignore this.


I always have problems with these types of emails. For example, if I 
ignore it, I have in actual fact followed the instructions to the 
letter and in doing so, cannot possibly have ignored it!


I once had an argument with a college lecturer who handed out an 
exam paper with 20 questions. You know the one, where you are 
supposed to read all the questions before starting.


Questions 1 - 19 were all decent enough and testing questions, 
question 20 simply stated do questions 1 to 5 only.


My argument was that in doing so, we have actually carried out 1 to 5 
AND 20 which meant that we should have failed! Eventually, I wore him 
down and he agreed that I was correct.


Sometimes, I wonder if my mother and father were married at the time 
of my conception! ;-)



Cheers,
Norm.


Quite right Norman, question 5 should have ended with a GOTO 20

All the best - Bill
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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[Tony Firshman]

On Jan 9, at 19:42 | Jan9, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 Please ignore this.
 
 I always have problems with these types of emails. For example, if I ignore 
 it, I have in actual fact followed the instructions to the letter and in 
 doing so, cannot possibly have ignored it!
 
 I once had an argument with a college lecturer who handed out an exam 
 paper with 20 questions. You know the one, where you are supposed to read all 
 the questions before starting.
 
 Questions 1 - 19 were all decent enough and testing questions, question 20 
 simply stated do questions 1 to 5 only.
 
 My argument was that in doing so, we have actually carried out 1 to 5 AND 20 
 which meant that we should have failed! Eventually, I wore him down and he 
 agreed that I was correct.
 
 Sometimes, I wonder if my mother and father were married at the time of my 
 conception! ;-)
 
 

He he.

I *know* mine weren't.  I often wondered why they did not celebrate their 
wedding anniversary.  I found out after they had both died that it was August 
1945 and I was born in November 1945.

It was the war you see - but those were so different times.

Tony

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[tobias.froesc...@t-online.de]

ignored
;)

-Original-Nachricht-
Von: gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com
An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Betreff: [Ql-Users] test
Datum: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:16:37 +0100

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[Ql-Users] Test

[jms1]

Ignore
Hi folks,
Just testing speed of receiving from the group
John

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[Ql-Users] Test

[Klaus Frank og Vita Frank]

This is a test to see if it works.

Klaus
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[Ql-Users] test

[Urs Koenig (QL)]

Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
  I'd be willing to have a go at doing an example QL Today in PDF 
  format, just to see how it could be done and how big the resulting 
  file would be. As they say on Top Gear how hard can it be?
 
 That should take all of 6 minutes:
 
 1 minute : take the staples off  put pages them in my scanner.
 2 minutes scan even pages
 2 minutes scan odd pages
 1 minute prepare PDF...
 
 I could do that when QL Today gets here.
 
I'm a bit late with my contribution to this thread, but I was abroad some
days last week.

I've been discussing the topic electronic QL Today earlier this year with
Jochen. My intention was and still is to bring all back issues back to live.
They are a very good knowledge base and must not be lost.

What I can do:
1. I have a storage box with all issues (both international and German
editions) in pristine condition.
2. I also have an All-In-One (AIO) device, model HP Photosmart Premium Fax
C309a, which has a duplex scan engine. It produces dual layer (bitmap and
searchable text in selected language) PDF's in version 1.6 (Acrobat version
7 and above).
3. I have a full featured ADOBE ACROBAT PRO version 9.4 software package
which is a good help in case I need to assemble multiple PDF files to a
single file.

What I did so far:
I unstapled and scanned some issues of QL Today.

Some more information:
1. The XEROX WorkCentre 7655 (which I had at work in 2009) produced PDF's
compliant with the older version 1.4 (Acrobat version 5 and above).
2. Compared to the XEROX the HP Photosmart Premium Fax C309a produces much
larger files. Example:
- XEROX: The 54 pages PDF file of the Open University QL case study is 4.3MB
- HP: The 59 pages PDF of QL Today V1 I 1 is 50.2MB
3. All issues of QL Today would rather fill a DVD than a CD.

The QL case study can be downloaded here:
http://tinyurl.com/ql-is-25

Jochen allowed me to share a sample issue with you guys for further
discussion. Here's issue 1 of volume 1 (May/June 1996):
http://www.cowo.ch/downloads/1996-05_QLToday_V01I1.pdf

For future issues of QL Today I would suggest that Jochen would send me a
clean and unstapled single sided printout, a so called Master-Copy, the
same day he sends out the new issue to his printer. This would fasten up
scanning and give better results (no backpage shining through, no glitches
due to staples, etc.). I would then be able to produce the electronic QL
Today within a few days and supply Jochen for further distribution.
Distribution could easily be made by Jochen's QL Update Portal for
instance.

Anyone?

Cheers, Urs

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[Ql-Users] test message

[Bruce N]

Testing list  please ignore.

- 
Bruce  

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[SMSQ - Jochen Merz]

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Anton Preinsack wrote:


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Re: [Ql-Users] test

[Norman Dunbar]

Hi Geoff,

 One thing is certain and that is that I am a liar

Which is very similar to my all time favourite :

Everything I say is a lie.


Cheers,
Norman.
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[Ql-Users] test

[Dilwyn Jones]

Test email only, please ignore.
Dilwyn
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Re: [Ql-Users] test

[Norman Dunbar]

Evening Dilwyn,

 Test email only, please ignore.

I tried to ignore it, but it said that I *had to* ignore it, so if I had
ignored it, then I would have followed the instructions in the email and
that would have meant that I had not, in fact, ignored it!

My brain hurts after that!

Cheers,
Norman.
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Re: [Ql-Users] test

[Dilwyn Jones]

Evening Dilwyn,


Test email only, please ignore.


I tried to ignore it, but it said that I *had to* ignore it, so if I had
ignored it, then I would have followed the instructions in the email and
that would have meant that I had not, in fact, ignored it!

My brain hurts after that!

Cheers,
Norman.

E.

So was this as a result of dreaming up an in-depth assembler article on 
condition-testing and decision-making, perchance?


On the other hand, if you had ignored it, you would have failed to ignore 
what it said and an exception condition would have been generated which you 
could not have ignored and your condition-testing routine would have gone 
into an infinite loop which you could ignore because it would seem as though 
it was ignoring you.


Hang on, the men in white coats are here to take me away...

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Re: [Ql-Users] test

[Tony Firshman]

gdgqler wrote:


On 24 Jan 2009, at 17:14, Dilwyn Jones wrote:


Evening Dilwyn,


Test email only, please ignore.


I tried to ignore it, but it said that I *had to* ignore it, so if I 
had
ignored it, then I would have followed the instructions in the email 
and

that would have meant that I had not, in fact, ignored it!

My brain hurts after that!

Cheers,
Norman.

E.

So was this as a result of dreaming up an in-depth assembler article 
on condition-testing and decision-making, perchance?


On the other hand, if you had ignored it, you would have failed to 
ignore what it said and an exception condition would have been 
generated which you could not have ignored and your condition-testing 
routine would have gone into an infinite loop which you could ignore 
because it would seem as though it was ignoring you.


Hang on, the men in white coats are here to take me away...



My comment is intentionally blank.

George

PS

Except for *GEORGE* 
There is a notice on  posh piano where I rehearse saying that Nothing 
must be placed on this piano - I have added (except this notice). 

The other one I like is the notice on the *only* way in to a local 
primary school where 90% of the children arrive.  This gate must be 
closed at all times.  I have yet to see kids thrown over the gate (8-)#


You are all *very* polite. In comp.sys.sinclair (or something like that) 
they are not so gentlemanly!


Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] test

[Andy Barber]

Seen in Brixton, South London, by the 2, 3  332 bus stop. (There is only one 
stop there that does these three routes.)

Fire Door. Must be locked at all times.




From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Saturday, 24 January, 2009 18:08:52
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] test

gdgqler wrote:
 
 On 24 Jan 2009, at 17:14, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 
 Evening Dilwyn,
 
 Test email only, please ignore.
 
 I tried to ignore it, but it said that I *had to* ignore it, so if I had
 ignored it, then I would have followed the instructions in the email and
 that would have meant that I had not, in fact, ignored it!
 
 My brain hurts after that!
 
 Cheers,
 Norman.
 E.
 
 So was this as a result of dreaming up an in-depth assembler article on 
 condition-testing and decision-making, perchance?
 
 On the other hand, if you had ignored it, you would have failed to ignore 
 what it said and an exception condition would have been generated which you 
 could not have ignored and your condition-testing routine would have gone 
 into an infinite loop which you could ignore because it would seem as though 
 it was ignoring you.
 
 Hang on, the men in white coats are here to take me away...
 
 
 My comment is intentionally blank.
 
 George
 
 PS
 
 Except for *GEORGE* 
There is a notice on  posh piano where I rehearse saying that Nothing must be 
placed on this piano - I have added (except this notice). 
The other one I like is the notice on the *only* way in to a local primary 
school where 90% of the children arrive.  This gate must be closed at all 
times.  I have yet to see kids thrown over the gate (8-)#

You are all *very* polite. In comp.sys.sinclair (or something like that) they 
are not so gentlemanly!

Tony

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[Ql-Users] test

[Dilwyn Jones]

Test message - please ignore.
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[Ql-Users] test

[Dilwyn Jones]

Test email - please ignore.

Dilwyn Jones
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Re: [ql-users] Test to see if our SPA?-filter does eat all ql-usersemails...

[P Witte]

Congratulations! This is the first ql-user mail that has ever been filtered 
out by my system. This was due to the word SPAM in the Subject, which is how 
my ISP marks what it considers to be spam. (Interestingly, of the mails my 
ISP thinks are spam, 80% are false positives, while it only catches about 
half of those that really are spam. Luckily it lets me decide manually!)

However, if you thought the reason you arent getting any mails on the 
ql-users list is due to your spam filter, you are probably wrong. Its more 
likely down to the summer holidays (and the thought police, who think pure 
silence is preferable to a little impure chit-chat that keeps us friends).

Per

- Original Message - 
From: Koenig Urs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Test to see if our SPAM-filter does eat all 
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[ql-users] Test to see if mailing list emails reach my email account or being blocked by our internal IT-policy...

[Koenig Urs]

 
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Re: [ql-users] Test to see if mailing list emails reach my email account or being blocked by our internal IT-policy...

[Ralf Reköndt]

Has safely arrived 8^).

Cheers...Ralf R.

-Original Message-
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:51:24 +0100
Subject: [ql-users] Test to see if mailing list emails reach my email
account or being blocked by our internal IT-policy...
From: Koenig Urs 
To: 


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[P Witte]

Arrived safely - but with the text removed ;)

Per
- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Subject: [ql-users] Test to see if mailing list emails reach my emailaccount 
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Re: [ql-users] Test

[Norman]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please ignorejust changing my email address - checking done it right.
 

Hmmm.

If I read the original email and follow the instructions to ignore it then I 
haven't actually ignored it have I ?

On the other hand, if I simply ignore it without reading it, then I still won't 
have ignored it - because I will have done what it said to do anyway ?

I think I need help !


Cheers,
Norm.

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[ql-users] Test

[Robert Newson]

Please ignorejust changing my email address - checking done it right.

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[ql-users] TEST with greetings!

[hitchies]

Test - please accept seasons' greetings and then ignore!
ATB to all the list.
John in Wales
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Re: [ql-users] test: PLEASE IGNORE

[Wolfgang Lenerz]

On 8 Oct 2004 at 9:27, David Gilham wrote:

 this is a test please ignore
done.
grin

Wolfgang

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Re: [ql-users] Test

[Dilwyn Jones]

 No - QPAC2 is the most modern, although if you are really looking for a
 desktop, then you might consider just using Dilwyn Jones' launchpad which
uses
 the Pointer Environment and is designed to run on standard QLs (or so I
believe)
 --
 Rich  Mellor

1. QPAC1 and QPAC2 were were completely different packages, not a more
recent version of the other. The name stands for QL Pointer Accessories.
QPAC1 was a collection of little programs like calculator, calendar,
typewriter, and so on. QPAC2 is a collection of menus and utilities and so
on.

2. It would be better to compare QPAC2 to QRAM perhaps, the first pointer
environment for QL systems. QRAM quickly became superceded by what we now
know as the pointer environment.

To use pointer environment you'll need:

Expanded memory - you could probably just about squeeze it on to a 128K QL,
but it wouldn't be worth the effort - not much software would work!

Toolkit 2 - again, not essential but a bit like using a canoe with no
paddles, not impossible but hard work. Toolkit 2 is built into most disk
interfaces.

Mouse - desirable, but less essential as keyboard control of the pointwer
environment is better on the QL than Windows, for example.

Pointer Environment Idiot's Guide by Norman Dunbar. A free little
publication which can be downloaded from the web or obtained on disk from PD
libraries, a nice gentle introduction to pointer environment, its components
and terminology.

On the QL, pointer environment comes in two main guises:

1) SMSQ/E, the successor to QDOS, has pointer environment built in.

2) The original pointer environment for QDOS is installed with three files
called PTR_GEN, WMAN, and HOT_REXT

PTR_GEN is the pointer environment system itself. This adds the on-screen
pointer, the mouse handling routines, saving and restoring window contents
as you switch from program to program with CTRL C and so on. Basically, an
enhanced console or CON driver.

WMAN is the Window Manager. This gives us the nice, pretty, standardised
look of program displays written for this system.

HOT_REXT installs hotkeys and so on.

To get you going at a basic level, get a copy of the files PTR_GEN, WMAN and
HOT_REXT. Assuming you have Toolkit 2 (or at least the command LRESPR which
is usually present in the cut down toolkits on older disk interfaces) and
write a little boot program like this:

100 LRESPR FLP1_PTR_GEN
110 LRESPR FLP1_WMAN
120 LRESPR FLP1_HOT_REXT
130 REMark LRESPR any other other extensions your programs need here
200 HOT_GO : REMark enable hotkey job

Once you've got that part up and running, execute a program or two with EXEC
commands and get used to how CTRL C works with pointer environment
installed. Go through the pointer environment Idiot's Guide and you'll be
pleasantly surprised!

Finally, Rich mentioned the Launchpad utility. This is a front end for your
QL, it will work only with Pointer Environment and Toolkit 2 installed, and
needs expanded memory (512K minimum, not tested on anything less than that).
It will work on QDOS or SMSQ/E. It lets you set up icons on the desktop to
execute programs when you click on the icon, rather than have to remember an
EXEC command for each program. You can set up something akin to a Windows
START menu with it (very loose comparison!) and it gives you some system
control menus a bit like Windows Control Panel (loose comparison again).

Suits my needs exactly, but then I wrote it.

Good luck with getting into pointer environment, Adrian! Hope the above
intro to the system helps!

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How much does the Pointer Environment cost these days? Will it run on a 
QL+GC? A QL + 512k Expanderam + FDD? A 128K QL? Does it need any extra 
hardware, e.g. a mouse - or, perhaps the more pertinent question would be - 
CAN a mouse be added to a standard(ish) QL  run with the modern equivalent 
of the pointer environment? Is that still QPTR2?

Ah, so many questions...
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Re: [ql-users] Test

[Tony Firshman]

On  Fri, 27 Aug 2004 at 09:18:50, Adrian Vickers wrote:
(ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

I changed my e-mail address, and it all went quiet

How much does the Pointer Environment cost these days? Will it run on a
QL+GC? A QL + 512k Expanderam + FDD? A 128K QL? Does it need any extra
hardware, e.g. a mouse
Extra ram certainly.  It will also need a floppy disk to read the
software.

Mouse can be used.  However the cursor keys. enter etc are perfectly
good substitutes.  I never use a mouse at shows, and rarely on my sH
mouse equipped BBS.
- or, perhaps the more pertinent question would be - CAN a mouse be
added to a standard(ish) QL  run with the modern equivalent of the
pointer environment?

Yes, but with above provisos.
 Is that still QPTR2?

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Re: [ql-users] Test

[RWAPSoftware]

In a message dated 27/08/2004 11:03:49 GMT Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

On   Fri, 27 Aug 2004 at 09:18:50, Adrian Vickers wrote:
(ref:  [EMAIL PROTECTED])

I changed my  e-mail address, and it all went quiet

How much does the  Pointer Environment cost these days? Will it run on a
QL+GC? A QL +  512k Expanderam + FDD? A 128K QL? Does it need any extra
hardware, e.g.  a mouse
Extra ram certainly.  It will also need a floppy disk to read  the
software.
I have some trump cards, a Gold Card and even a Super Gold Card here for  
sale - together with various disk drive units (including ED drives new and  used).



Mouse can be used.  However the cursor keys. enter etc are  perfectly
good substitutes.  I never use a mouse at shows, and rarely  on my sH
mouse equipped BBS.
- or, perhaps the more pertinent  question would be - CAN a mouse be
added to a standard(ish) QL   run with the modern equivalent of the
pointer  environment?
I have a QIMI here for sale.  You can also use a sermouse on a  standard QL 
can you not??



Yes, but with above provisos.
 Is that still  QPTR2?


No - QPAC2 is the most modern, although if you are really looking for a  
desktop, then you might consider just using Dilwyn Jones' launchpad which uses  
the Pointer Environment and is designed to run on standard QLs (or so I  believe)
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