Re: [qubes-users] Zotero Install Help

2019-06-15 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

jonmchenry...@gmail.com wrote on 6/14/19 9:28 PM:

Community,

I am attempting to install Zotero to my Fedora-30 template so that I can then 
use it in my personal template.

There is no RPM package for the application so I have to download the tar.bz2 
file.  I extracted in /opt and then copied the desktop file over to 
/usr/share/applications .  I then ran the command in Dom0 to update the 
Fedora-30 appmenus.


You did this part in your template, then shut it down, right? And next, 
booted up your AppVM and did the following? The sequence is important.



 Then refreshed the appmenu in the personal appvm and the entry appeared and 
was added.  However, when I click on the entry in the appmenu for the personal 
appvm, that program will not start.  Is there a link from the personal appvm to 
the fedora-30 template that I'm missing?  I've never added a program manually 
to a template vm or appvm before.  Thanks for your help!

You might have found it already, but see 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts/.


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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes Package updater - No network connection was detected

2019-06-15 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

atrainonl...@gmail.com wrote on 6/14/19 9:55 PM:

So I'm trying to update everything I can with Qubes and I keep running into an 
issue when I try to run the Package Updater in Qubes.  Originally I was going 
to use Tor when I set up Qubes but it never worked so I had to revert back to 
using my VPN.  With the help of some people here, I think I got everything 
converted over, but this program won't work.


Not sure what you mean by Package Updater, or what isn't working.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Does Qubes-OS 4.0.1 have support for KDE or GNOME desktop environment?

2019-06-15 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

Chris Laprise wrote on 6/15/19 12:50 AM:

On 6/14/19 6:00 PM, Jon deps wrote:


I'd like to put back the  Default memory settings  but  don't know 
what they are


What GPU does your system have? I'm running KDE comfortably in only 
1.5GB dom0 memory, and my graphics are Intel HD integrated.


I don't recall the exact procedure to set dom0 memory. It begins with 
changing GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and then you run 
a command to update it.



Defaults are dom0_mem=min:1024M dom0_mem=max:4096M.

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Re: [qubes-users] usb keyboards

2019-06-15 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

Jon deps wrote on 6/14/19 10:11 PM:

2) is this normal behavior that I can't just plug in any USB kb to my 
PS2 convertr/port,  it  MUST be the  hardware that qubes knows or 
something ?



if #2 is the case, what is the trick to start using a new USB -> PS2 
converter -> PS2 port ?    for reference


Hardware issue, not Qubes. Only some USB keyboards are compatible with 
PS/2 converters.


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[qubes-users] has any one get fully worked archlinux template?

2019-06-15 Thread travorfirefuelcan
subj

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Re: [qubes-users] has any one get fully worked archlinux template?

2019-06-15 Thread Frédéric Pierret
Hi,

Why do you think someone would take take time to answer you if you don't
take time to write a proper demand? Some keywords for you: 'Hi',
'Thank', 'you'

On 6/15/19 4:31 PM, travorfirefuel...@gmail.com wrote:
> subj
>

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Re: [qubes-users] has any one get fully worked archlinux template?

2019-06-15 Thread unman
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 04:39:29PM +0200, Frédéric Pierret wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Why do you think someone would take take time to answer you if you don't
> take time to write a proper demand? Some keywords for you: 'Hi',
> 'Thank', 'you'
> 
> On 6/15/19 4:31 PM, travorfirefuel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > subj
> >


I found OP's request refreshingly economical

I have in the past run arch,  but not recently.

unman

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes Package updater - No network connection was detected

2019-06-15 Thread unman
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 02:55:09PM -0700, atrainonl...@gmail.com wrote:
> So I'm trying to update everything I can with Qubes and I keep running into 
> an issue when I try to run the Package Updater in Qubes.  Originally I was 
> going to use Tor when I set up Qubes but it never worked so I had to revert 
> back to using my VPN.  With the help of some people here, I think I got 
> everything converted over, but this program won't work.
> 

You havent explained what the problem is, or what you have done to try
to fix it.

Check the contents of /etc/qubes-rpc/policy/qubes.UpdatesProxy
It's possible that templates are still set to use the non-working whonix

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Re: [qubes-users] has any one get fully worked archlinux template?

2019-06-15 Thread Mike Keehan
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
travorfirefuel...@gmail.com wrote:

> subj
> 

yes

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes Package updater - No network connection was detected

2019-06-15 Thread Jon deps
On 6/14/19 9:55 PM, atrainonline-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org 
wrote:

So I'm trying to update everything I can with Qubes and I keep running into an 
issue when I try to run the Package Updater in Qubes.  Originally I was going 
to use Tor when I set up Qubes but it never worked so I had to revert back to 
using my VPN.  With the help of some people here, I think I got everything 
converted over, but this program won't work.



you seem to be doing something fundamentally incorrect,  afaik,  your 
Templates netvm  (qvm-prefs   ) should be set to 
'none'  (dom0 terminal qvm-prefs  netvm none )   all 
'updating'proceeds by the order  of   the   qubes.UpdatesProxy 
sequence



https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/rpc-policy/   or so


if you change anything in there   write down  the  exact  order  or the 
original  so you can fall back   as needed



anything not correct in there might break  your  opsec  or  break your 
updates . but maybe you knew all this ?


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Does Qubes-OS 4.0.1 have support for KDE or GNOME desktop environment?

2019-06-15 Thread john s.

On 6/15/19 12:50 AM, Chris Laprise wrote:

On 6/14/19 6:00 PM, Jon deps wrote:

On 6/5/19 8:00 PM, Chris Laprise wrote:

On 6/2/19 3:41 AM, Finn wrote:

I've installed Qubes-OS 4.0.1 and it's XFCE desktop environment but I
would rather prefer either KDE or GNOME desktop environment. I found
this document[1] where mentioned that Qubes-OS is migrating towards
GNOME but at the time of installation only XFCE (neither KDE nor GNOME)
is available. I was wondering, is there a way I can use my preferred
desktop environment? Or, I have to wait for GNOME until migration is 
not

fully completed because it seems currently there is no support for KDE.


[1]: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usability-ux/


KDE does have support AFAIK, although its no long the default. If you 
can get used to the blank-space network icon, then I recommend KDE as 
there are many pluses.


I don't believe Qubes is actually going to migrate to Gnome. There 
was an aborted attempt and Gnome 3's paradigm (tablet touch UI, 
melded WM/app widgets) doesn't seem compatible with Qubes' concept.





seems to want about 4 times  the dom0  RAM   and still  buggy  am 
getting all these  flashing  windows bar and applications menu  hit 
and miss giving dom0 memory boost 800 MiB and minimal qubes memory 400 
MiB or so ,  so gave up



btw,  is there any documentation on recommended RAM for  dom0  using XFCE

I'd like to put back the  Default memory settings  but  don't know 
what they are


What GPU does your system have? I'm running KDE comfortably in only 
1.5GB dom0 memory, and my graphics are Intel HD integrated.


I don't recall the exact procedure to set dom0 memory. It begins with 
changing GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and then you run 
a command to update it.





so your 1.5GB  of dom0  memory  is  NOT  the  dom0 "memory boost" in the 
Qubes Global Settings?  which I'm assuming is akin to  "maxmem"  for 
other VMs ?



I also have intel integrated graphics,  maybe kabylake generation


at minimal qube memory 1564  and  dom0 memory boost  5138  I am 
still finding it unusable   the  app menus  don't appear ,  I keep 
fighting the taskbar widgets  which then somehow  I make appear on the 
desktop not the  taskbar,  then  can't get them back on the taskbar, 
etc,  which maybe a / the KDE learning curve . nice to see something 
less austere  using Qubes, that I might be able to understand   but


if it requires me to change something in Grub  and not just the  Global 
Settings  ...maybe time to give up  :)




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Re: [qubes-users] Zotero Install Help

2019-06-15 Thread jonmchenry110
awokd,

Thanks for responding.  I completed the process all over again from scratch, 
ensuring that the sequence was correct.  I'm still getting the same result.  
Not sure what to do from here, but the feeling that there is something so 
simple that I'm missing is driving me nuts lol.  I can use Zotero online but 
it's not as seamless without the desktop client.  I'm using this for my 
dissertation.

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Re: [qubes-users] Zotero Install Help

2019-06-15 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

jonmchenry...@gmail.com wrote on 6/15/19 10:51 PM:


Thanks for responding.  I completed the process all over again from scratch, 
ensuring that the sequence was correct.  I'm still getting the same result.  
Not sure what to do from here, but the feeling that there is something so 
simple that I'm missing is driving me nuts lol.  I can use Zotero online but 
it's not as seamless without the desktop client.  I'm using this for my 
dissertation.


If you just want a quick and dirty way to do it, create a Standalone VM 
based from a template. It will act like an ordinary VM then, so you'll 
have to update it separately, etc.


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[qubes-users] Re: usb keyboards

2019-06-15 Thread Jon deps

On 6/15/19 12:21 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:

Jon deps wrote on 6/14/19 10:11 PM:

2) is this normal behavior that I can't just plug in any USB kb to my 
PS2 convertr/port,  it  MUST be the  hardware that qubes knows or 
something ?



if #2 is the case, what is the trick to start using a new USB -> PS2 
converter -> PS2 port ?    for reference


Hardware issue, not Qubes. Only some USB keyboards are compatible with 
PS/2 converters.




so there is a list or some guidelines for USB keyboards?  didn't see one 
on qubes.org



and sounds like no tutorial on  non PS2,  non laptop  computers for USB 
keyboards .



maybe pixelfairy's method  could be added  to some document . else 
like me  , at the beginning,  may  fail and get locked out of new 
installs .


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[qubes-users] Aorus Devices

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Does Qubes-OS 4.0.1 have support for KDE or GNOME desktop environment?

2019-06-15 Thread Chris Laprise

On 6/15/19 4:44 PM, john s. wrote:

On 6/15/19 12:50 AM, Chris Laprise wrote:

On 6/14/19 6:00 PM, Jon deps wrote:

On 6/5/19 8:00 PM, Chris Laprise wrote:

On 6/2/19 3:41 AM, Finn wrote:

I've installed Qubes-OS 4.0.1 and it's XFCE desktop environment but I
would rather prefer either KDE or GNOME desktop environment. I found
this document[1] where mentioned that Qubes-OS is migrating towards
GNOME but at the time of installation only XFCE (neither KDE nor 
GNOME)

is available. I was wondering, is there a way I can use my preferred
desktop environment? Or, I have to wait for GNOME until migration 
is not
fully completed because it seems currently there is no support for 
KDE.



[1]: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usability-ux/


KDE does have support AFAIK, although its no long the default. If 
you can get used to the blank-space network icon, then I recommend 
KDE as there are many pluses.


I don't believe Qubes is actually going to migrate to Gnome. There 
was an aborted attempt and Gnome 3's paradigm (tablet touch UI, 
melded WM/app widgets) doesn't seem compatible with Qubes' concept.





seems to want about 4 times  the dom0  RAM   and still  buggy  am 
getting all these  flashing  windows bar and applications menu  hit 
and miss giving dom0 memory boost 800 MiB and minimal qubes memory 
400 MiB or so ,  so gave up



btw,  is there any documentation on recommended RAM for  dom0  using 
XFCE


I'd like to put back the  Default memory settings  but  don't know 
what they are


What GPU does your system have? I'm running KDE comfortably in only 
1.5GB dom0 memory, and my graphics are Intel HD integrated.


I don't recall the exact procedure to set dom0 memory. It begins with 
changing GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and then you 
run a command to update it.





so your 1.5GB  of dom0  memory  is  NOT  the  dom0 "memory boost" in the 
Qubes Global Settings?  which I'm assuming is akin to  "maxmem"  for 
other VMs ?


Right, its the base dom0 memory settings, which you can also add 
temporarily from grub menu (hit 'e', make change then boot). My dom0 
'memory boost' in Qubes Global Settings is only 160MB.


The dom0 kernel I'm using is 4.19.43.




I also have intel integrated graphics,  maybe kabylake generation


Mine is Ivy Bridge, much older.

at minimal qube memory 1564  and  dom0 memory boost  5138  I am 
still finding it unusable   the  app menus  don't appear ,  I keep 
fighting the taskbar widgets  which then somehow  I make appear on the 
desktop not the  taskbar,  then  can't get them back on the taskbar, 
etc,  which maybe a / the KDE learning curve . nice to see something 
less austere  using Qubes, that I might be able to understand   but


if it requires me to change something in Grub  and not just the  Global 
Settings  ...maybe time to give up  :)


What happens if you change to sddm, what I'm using? In fact, it seems I 
removed lightdm from dom0.


Also, for something easy to try, you can turn off the compositor with 
Alt-Shift-F12. And the KDE compositor settings are under Display / 
Compositor.


If none of that works, it may simply be a compatibility problem that the 
old Fedora 25 possesses.


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[qubes-users] Re: Does Qubes-OS 4.0.1 have support for KDE or GNOME desktop environment?

2019-06-15 Thread Jon deps

On 6/16/19 12:49 AM, Chris Laprise wrote:

On 6/15/19 4:44 PM, john s. wrote:

On 6/15/19 12:50 AM, Chris Laprise wrote:

On 6/14/19 6:00 PM, Jon deps wrote:

On 6/5/19 8:00 PM, Chris Laprise wrote:

On 6/2/19 3:41 AM, Finn wrote:

I've installed Qubes-OS 4.0.1 and it's XFCE desktop environment but I
would rather prefer either KDE or GNOME desktop environment. I found
this document[1] where mentioned that Qubes-OS is migrating towards
GNOME but at the time of installation only XFCE (neither KDE nor 
GNOME)

is available. I was wondering, is there a way I can use my preferred
desktop environment? Or, I have to wait for GNOME until migration 
is not
fully completed because it seems currently there is no support for 
KDE.



[1]: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usability-ux/


KDE does have support AFAIK, although its no long the default. If 
you can get used to the blank-space network icon, then I recommend 
KDE as there are many pluses.


I don't believe Qubes is actually going to migrate to Gnome. There 
was an aborted attempt and Gnome 3's paradigm (tablet touch UI, 
melded WM/app widgets) doesn't seem compatible with Qubes' concept.





seems to want about 4 times  the dom0  RAM   and still  buggy  am 
getting all these  flashing  windows bar and applications menu  hit 
and miss giving dom0 memory boost 800 MiB and minimal qubes memory 
400 MiB or so ,  so gave up



btw,  is there any documentation on recommended RAM for  dom0  using 
XFCE


I'd like to put back the  Default memory settings  but  don't know 
what they are


What GPU does your system have? I'm running KDE comfortably in only 
1.5GB dom0 memory, and my graphics are Intel HD integrated.


I don't recall the exact procedure to set dom0 memory. It begins with 
changing GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and then you 
run a command to update it.





so your 1.5GB  of dom0  memory  is  NOT  the  dom0 "memory boost" in 
the Qubes Global Settings?  which I'm assuming is akin to  "maxmem"  
for other VMs ?


Right, its the base dom0 memory settings, which you can also add 
temporarily from grub menu (hit 'e', make change then boot). My dom0 
'memory boost' in Qubes Global Settings is only 160MB.


The dom0 kernel I'm using is 4.19.43.




I also have intel integrated graphics,  maybe kabylake generation


Mine is Ivy Bridge, much older.

at minimal qube memory 1564  and  dom0 memory boost  5138  I am 
still finding it unusable   the  app menus  don't appear ,  I keep 
fighting the taskbar widgets  which then somehow  I make appear on the 
desktop not the  taskbar,  then  can't get them back on the taskbar, 
etc,  which maybe a / the KDE learning curve . nice to see 
something less austere  using Qubes, that I might be able to 
understand   but


if it requires me to change something in Grub  and not just the  
Global Settings  ...maybe time to give up  :)


What happens if you change to sddm, what I'm using? In fact, it seems I 
removed lightdm from dom0.


Also, for something easy to try, you can turn off the compositor with 
Alt-Shift-F12. And the KDE compositor settings are under Display / 
Compositor.


If none of that works, it may simply be a compatibility problem that the 
old Fedora 25 possesses.




Well,  I'm trying to not doing anything that I might break the system, 
hence  no sddm ,  no grub tweaks ..


So, does it make any difference  how  I setup  the   two  Qubes Global 
Settings?



I'll try out the  compositor thing  though, sort of don't want to 
touch Grub  even for temp settings  :)




Maybe I can try  it  on my  old thinkpad  ,  esp  if you happen to  have 
specifics  on  making  the  1.5gb  of dom0  permanent,so far the 
thinkpad  may be running the KDE better than the   modern  hardware  ...


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Re: [qubes-users] Zotero Install Help

2019-06-15 Thread unman
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 03:51:15PM -0700, jonmchenry...@gmail.com wrote:
> awokd,
> 
> Thanks for responding.  I completed the process all over again from scratch, 
> ensuring that the sequence was correct.  I'm still getting the same result.  
> Not sure what to do from here, but the feeling that there is something so 
> simple that I'm missing is driving me nuts lol.  I can use Zotero online but 
> it's not as seamless without the desktop client.  I'm using this for my 
> dissertation.
> 
> -- Jon
> 

Look at the contents of the exec line in that desktop file.
Try changing it to:
bash -c "/ opt/Zotero_linux-x86_64/zotero -url %U"

Then update applications. Start the qube and make sure the exec line is
fine - should work properly now.

unman

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