[qubes-users] A quick survey on usage patterns?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Hi everyone,

anyone willing to share how do you use Qubes environment: tempaltes, VMs, 
etc?
I think besides "tinfoil hat" community many of us do still use traditional 
services like dropbox, g suite, signal, telegram etc.

How do you manage that? A signle VM for several apps? One VM per app? How 
do you print? How do you scan?

As for myself, I have several "per-project" VMs with VPNs and corporate 
messengers, and also a shared one with stuff like evernote and dropbox. I 
removed skype, webex, zoom etc from my work desktop -- I use iPad for all 
of those. I do not even have a webcam and microphone on my work system. 
However, sending a link from the desktop (Qubes) to iPad is not as easy as 
I wish it to be, and the same applies to importing a file. You?

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Re: [qubes-users] new xen kernel 5.xx

[Alex Smirnoff]

Is there another way to boot to an older kernel rather than boot from other 
media and edit xen.cfg?


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[qubes-users] HCL -- Intel NUC10i7 issues with kernel-latest

[Alex Smirnoff]

5.9.14 does not make it to X11 (empty screen with cursor). 5.8.16 works 
just fine.

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Re: [qubes-users] qubes-os // stand-alone reactos fails

[Alex Smirnoff]

I think there is a way to pass /dev/sdX disk device directly to a qube.. 


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

Apparently, it is not going to work, too :(

https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP/issues/6640

Chances we get seamless windows apps anytime soon are slim.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

Soo, I gave it a try and guess what? MS Office artifacts are still there, 
with freerdp it is even worse than with native seamless mode. Apparently 
(even if I check "turn hardware graphics acceleration off") Office uses 
some obscure DirectX calls that translate to X11 in very unpleasant way 
that is very unfriendly to window decorator metrics, sloppy focus and 
virtual desktops. I remember I had similar problems with Wine/Crossover as 
well.

https://imgur.com/ff4QoWM

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

Damn it, this group auto moderation kills messages with imgur hyperlinks on 
spot, however..
I gave it a try and it is even worse. Artifacts of the same origin appear 
on MS Office windows with freerdp just like with seamless mode. Apparently 
it uses some DirectX calls that translate to X11 methods that are extremely 
unfriendly to sensible desktop environment with virtual desktops, sloppy 
focus and custom window decorations.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:10:13 PM UTC+2 Alex Smirnoff wrote:

> From what I remember RDP can handle both.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:00:05 PM UTC+2 evado...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> very interesting, but if it will be user then need to solve the say 
>> WinVM-to-AppVM file transfers.
>> And not sure about clipboard.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

>From what I remember RDP can handle both.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:00:05 PM UTC+2 evado...@gmail.com wrote:

> very interesting, but if it will be user then need to solve the say 
> WinVM-to-AppVM file transfers.
> And not sure about clipboard.
>
>
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[qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

It would be an ideal solution for me. And should not be very hard. What rdp 
client are they based on?

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:57:50 AM UTC+2 Guerlan wrote:

>
> This project:
> https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/ 
> 
> does what Qubes do to Linux and Windows 7, but to Windows 10 on KVM, by 
> using RDP. Not the best approach but no one is working on the Windows 10 
> port of the windowing thing. Maybe some people could work on porting this 
> to Qubes, and maybe some prople from Qubes could direct funds to this. 
> I even opened an issue about this:
> https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/issues/112
> I miss using Windows properly when I work on Qubes.
> Would be nice if people from here could make some noise there to bring 
> attention :)
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Are "smart" monitors/TVs a security issue?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Assuming poor software quality of typical TV firmware and codecs, DVB 
should be pretty easy exploitable. However, I doubt a compromised TV could 
do serious harm to your computer via HDMI. Speaking on your demo.. there is 
a lot of factors to be involved. Chaining a Xen exploit to Chrome might be 
possible.. but unprobable, for a multitude of reasons.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Are "smart" monitors/TVs a security issue?

[Alex Smirnoff]

To my best knowledge, no PC graphic card ever supported ethernet over HDMI.


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[qubes-users] xen resource reporting

[Alex Smirnoff]

It is rather a xen issue, but I did not find xen groups alive enough, so..

I have a 6-core cpu, so.. xen thinks there are two "CPU's" per core, 
probably due to HT.
And it does, apparently, cause a lot of confusion.

from "xenpm start 1:
Socket 0
 Core 0 CPU 0
 Core 1 CPU 2
 Core 2 CPU 4
 Core 3 CPU 6
 Core 4 CPU 8
 Core 5 CPU 10

But, when I try to get CPU states, xenpm assumes the core count to the cpu 
count! thus, it tries to get status of CPU0-CPU5, which succeeds only for 
even CPUs, odd CPUs get dropped and return error when xenp tries to control 
them, and CPU6-CPU10 are ingored.

also, xenpm get-cpufreq-para returns obviously incorrect values (for even 
CPUs only, again, for odd ones it just "falied to get cpufreq parameter" 
and 6-10 are igored), as well as xentop. At the same time, values at 
get-cpufreq-average are apparently right. 

Is it a known issue?

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[qubes-users] Re: Are "smart" monitors/TVs a security issue?

[Alex Smirnoff]

For "native" thunderbolt monitors there certainly could be an issue! For 
HDMI/DP, honestly, do not know how much a malicious device could do.


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[qubes-users] Re: More smooth Win7 seamless mode tweaks?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Well-well-well. Seems that "seamless" mode is not that seamless at all. MS 
Office, for example, tends to throw windows and even _window parts_ that 
get "sticky", "always on top" and de facto not managed by xfce at all :((

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[qubes-users] Re: Nore smooth Win7 seamless mode tweaks?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Mostly it settled down by itself, but still does not work well with 
focus-follows-mouse setting. I get a lot of screen artifacts, especially 
when multiple Windows windows overlap. Is it a known bug?


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[qubes-users] Nore smooth Win7 seamless mode tweaks?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Just installed my first Win7 VM. Not exactly a pleasant look. Programs try 
to start fullscreen and somewhat misbehave later-- say, when I try to 
resize MS Word window, it does not understand the geometry change event and 
some parts of it just become invisible. Was it always like that or 
something is not quite right with my system? Any hints/tweaks/fixes known?

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[qubes-users] browser plugin?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Is there a browser plugin that adds "open URL in disposable VM" function? 
like private tab on steroids :)

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[qubes-users] Re: Intel CPU frequency scaling and boost mode?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Ah. As I said, it is all tricky. First, enable legacy boot. It is greyed 
out in bios setup; you need to turn off "modern standby" first. Now you can 
boot.

But, it is going to be 800x600 and no network (neither wired or wireless). 
On the next step you need a USB network card. Once you get *some* network, 
do sudo qubes-dom0-update kernel-latest kernel-latest-qubes-vm. Then edit 
/boot/efi/EFI/qubes/xen.cfg 
and get rid of rhgb, it is broken.
And if you are lucky, you now have a working system!

I wonder why Qubes does not have offline update mechanism or more recent 
installation media. All this crazy stuff reminds me of installing Slackware 
in 1996 on a random hardware from local flea market.

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:00:06 PM UTC+2 adrian...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi there - I am struggling to get past the boot screen with my gen10 intel 
> - care to share any helpful tips of how things worked for you that might be 
> helpful?
>
>

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[qubes-users] Re: device widget sends "device removed" / "device available" at random times

[Alex Smirnoff]

I have random disconnects like that with cheap chinese USB hub i ordered on 
Aliexpress. Never seen with built-in USB ports :)


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Re: [qubes-users] Intel CPU frequency scaling and boost mode?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Though I played a bit with xenpm and apparently frequency scaling works as 
intended! It is just not reported properly even to dom0.


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Re: [qubes-users] Intel CPU frequency scaling and boost mode?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Tried to modprobe it explicitly, does not load :-/

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 12:02:55 AM UTC+2 Jarrah wrote:

>
> > I just installed (not to say it was easy) Qubes on gen10 intel NUC.
> > It has a "mobile" type CPU, 1.6Ghz with turbo boost up to 4GHz.
> > However, Xentop never shows frequencies higher than 1.6 no matter if I 
> have 
> > a CPU-intensive task or not. Does turbo boost work as expected?
>
>
> There is a lengthy discussion at 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4604 about this with some
> potential fixes.
>
> I just resolved a similar issue on 4.1 where my laptop was locked to 800
> MHz. The `xen-acpi-processor` kernel module was the problem there. Your
> issue may be something else, but that thread is likely the best place to
> find information about it.
>
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[qubes-users] Intel CPU frequency scaling and boost mode?

[Alex Smirnoff]

Hi fellow qubes users,

I just installed (not to say it was easy) Qubes on gen10 intel NUC.
It has a "mobile" type CPU, 1.6Ghz with turbo boost up to 4GHz.
However, Xentop never shows frequencies higher than 1.6 no matter if I have 
a CPU-intensive task or not. Does turbo boost work as expected?

Also, I have an arduino-based analog meter controlled by USB I used on my 
previous systems to collect and display system load metering. However, most 
of the data is available in dom0 only. What is the best practice to send it 
to an AppVM?

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[qubes-users] Re: win7 seamless mode, teams, vmware

[Alex Smirnoff]

I would rather use native Teams client. 

However, regarding Win7 seamless mode (to which I am yet to give a try), is 
there a chance we will ever get rid of that ugly double window decorations? 
:)

On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 12:50:27 PM UTC+2 Rasta Bude wrote:

> Hello,
> I try to run Windows 7 in seamless mode at my Qubes. So far everything ist 
> working great. I just have some problems with microsoft teams there. I only 
> see a white screen and cannot login. If I install a normal Windows 7 HVM 
> like in the description without Qubes Windows tools then it is running. Can 
> u tell me what I can try to fix this? It will be good for my work, to run 
> Teams in seamless mode, because then I don't need to copy the file between 
> vm's and else. I even tried it with several Windows7 images, And I am only 
> able to install a seamless Windows 7HVM via qvm-create-windows-qube.sh, 
> because I don't find how to activate the *seamless mode* in a Winodws 7 
> HVM. The Quibes documentary is not up to date at this section and said u 
> can do this in the Qubes Manager, but there I cannot find this option.
> Maybe there is a working *solution* *via terminal? T*hat will be really 
> great, then I can try to install a fresh win7 hvm with my own Iso, where 
> all the updates are integrated...Maybe this will work.:)
> Or ist it possible to run *vmware on the qubes fedora or debian template*? 
> But I don't think so, because at Debian I always get an error GNU C 
> compiler 6.4.1 not found and at Fedora it install vmware, but while 
> installing it started uninstalling and cannot finish the installation. But 
> if this is possible it will be a solution, too and I am very thankful to 
> hear how to fix that problem.:)
> Stay healthy, Best wishes and much thanks for ur support.
>

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Re: [qubes-users] [unofficial] Qubes security advisory

[Alex Smirnoff]

I would make a full forensic image and then start investigating. Otherwise 
the evidence is very fragile.

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 12:20:32 AM UTC+2 tetra...@danwin1210.me 
wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 04:04:30PM -0400, Chris Laprise wrote:
> >On 10/25/20 10:24 PM, 'J.M. Porup' via qubes-users wrote:
> >>One morning last week, I launched a disposable Debian 10 template with 
> my preset
> >>defaults of no netvm and a blank page preset--but instead a default page 
> of
> >>"https://www.youtube.com/"; appeared. It only happened once, but it was 
> enough.
> >
> >So to clarify, you launched a dispVM with no networking, and a youtube 
> >page was loaded and rendered on screen?
> >
> >That seems highly unlikely to be an accidental input or glitch.
>
> No, he's saying the Firefox homepage in his Debian-10 template was 
> changed from about:blank to youtube.com, leading the debian-10 
> template-based DispVM to launch Firefox with youtube.com as the default 
> page.
>
> Ergo someone compromised his Debian-10 template and changed the Firefox 
> homepage... or, there was an error in the template configuration leading 
> to him accidentally changing the hompeage in what sounds like a 
> stressful situation.
>
> J.M., assuming you are indeed correct about a major attack, most of the 
> major Xen vulnerabilities that threaten a Qubes full compromise involve 
> sys-net. Since Five Eyes may get advance notice of Xen holes, if your 
> machine was indeed fully rooted it could be you were hit by the PCI 
> vulnerability from a while back.
>
> Due to precisely these kinds of issues, there is discussion for using 
> the much-harder-to-exploit OpenBSD as an operating system for the 
> sys-net VM:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5294
>
> You may want to give it a go (after buying a new laptop, of course).
>
> Additionally, if a sys-net based attack is indeed a concern for your 
> threat model, consider disabling wi-fi entirely and using an ethernet 
> cable, wi-fi drivers are generally terrible.
>
> Nevertheless if you are really up against serious Five Eyes type 
> adversaries then it's unlikely you'll be able to keep *any* computer 
> secure for long and should probably buy that cabin in the Rockies you 
> always wanted...
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: HCL - intel NUC10i7FNK

[Alex Smirnoff]

I had to update it first. Also, removed rhgb to get around the password 
prompt bug. 
What an amazing system! I installed it to evaluate if it is suitable for 
our company environment and instantly fell in love with it. However, the 
answer to my main question is still "no" :(. Unless we buy certified 
hardware for everyone, at least, and some of us badly need properly working 
Win10 guest with seamless desktop app integration and clipboard :(

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:28:26 PM UTC+2 Ludovic Bellier wrote:

> Le 30/10/2020 à 19:52, Alex Smirnoff a écrit :
> > Now, that's strange! my dom0 is on the latest kernel, but sys-net is 
> > not, so, no network there.
> >
> Its normal, all VMs keep the default kernel, not the latest.
>
> You should change the sys-net VM kernel to latest:
>
> - open Qube Manager
>
> - select sys-net
>
> - right clic, choose Qube-settings
>
> - Advanced tab, change the kernel to 5.x.x
>
> - Apply and restart sys-net
>
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: HCL - intel NUC10i7FNK

[Alex Smirnoff]

Now, that's strange! my dom0 is on the latest kernel, but sys-net is not, 
so, no network there.


>
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: HCL - intel NUC10i7FNK

[Alex Smirnoff]

apparently I messed with the keyboard somehow, I cannot type in the password. 
it ignores all keystrokes :(




Sent from my BlackBerry -- I don't believe it's more secure, but I've got a 
physical keyboard!



  Original Message  


From: qubes-u...@zyrianes.net
Sent: October 30, 2020 7:26 PM
To: qubes-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [qubes-users] Re: HCL - intel NUC10i7FNK


Le 30/10/2020 à 17:57, Alex Smirnoff a écrit :
> Ah, apparently it was just a glitch, second time I tried my keyboard
> remained functional.

Good.

> However, still no luck: after I updated dom0 to the latest kernel, my
> Qubes system just got stuck on "Enter disk password" stage. I see some
> corrupted image below

It's same for me, I see the corrupted image on each boot (since 6 months
now), but (on my host) it's only a display problem, I can give the disk
password (you should see the bullet [3] for each character) and the boot
process continues. Note that this step concerns giving the LUKS
credentials (not the user password!), and the GUI you see is Plymouth
[1] with this artwork [2].

> which slightly changes over time, and that's it. And I cannot switch
> to text console to see what is happening there like I could on a
> regular linux. WIll try booting from a rescue image now. Anyway, Qubes
> on NUC10 is apparently very unstable. I wonder why there is no ISO
> image with the latest kernel already in place.
>
You can't switch to tty (text console) because the boot process is on
the LUKS uncryption step, so the rootfs isn't yet available (so the init
process isn't launch and neither the login process).

Don't worry, Qubes OS on NUC10 is stable, I use it daily.

I agree an ISO image with, on start, the choice between default or
latest kernel will be great.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Plymouth

[2] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-artwork/tree/master/plymouth/qubes-dark

[3]
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-artwork/blob/master/plymouth/qubes-dark/bullet.png

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: HCL - intel NUC10i7FNK

[Alex Smirnoff]

Ah, apparently it was just a glitch, second time I tried my keyboard 
remained functional.
However, still no luck: after I updated dom0 to the latest kernel, my Qubes 
system just got stuck on "Enter disk password" stage. I see some corrupted 
image below which slightly changes over time, and that's it. And I cannot 
switch to text console to see what is happening there like I could on a 
regular linux. WIll try booting from a rescue image now. Anyway, Qubes on 
NUC10 is apparently very unstable. I wonder why there is no ISO image with 
the latest kernel already in place.

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:53:29 PM UTC+2 Ludovic Bellier wrote:

> Le 30/10/2020 à 16:37, Alex Smirnoff a écrit :
> > How did you set up the sys-usb qube without losing the USB keyboard 
> > and mouse?
> >
> Hi Alex,
>
> I followed the Qubes documentation, first I added the sys-usb Qube 
> [1], then I added my USB keyboard available for login [2].
>
>
> [1] https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usb-qubes/#creating-and-using-a-usb-qube
>
> dom0/Terminal : sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.sys-usb
>
> [2] 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usb-qubes/#enable-a-usb-keyboard-for-login
>
> dom0/Terminal : sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.usb-keyboard
>
>

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[qubes-users] Re: HCL - intel NUC10i7FNK

[Alex Smirnoff]

How did you set up the sys-usb qube without losing the USB keyboard and 
mouse?

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