Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-26 Thread darklampz
Thanks for the support! Altough right now I'm not planning on using a VPN so I 
might look at that in the future.
I'm sorry I probably still can't understand how updates work in Qubes: I set 
the updateVM to sys-firewall as you said, I tried running sudo yum update in 
the fedora template and it still runs through TOR. I see a 
package updater utility in system tools, but it hasn't got internet since it's 
in dom0 so I can't do anything from that. If I try updating from sys-firewall 
directly, it only updates that specific VM. Also, I don't know how to update 
the whonix VM, since Tor can't run because it isn't up to date. 
Sorry for my noobyness. Have a great day

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Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-26 Thread Yuraeitha
On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 8:21:37 PM UTC+1, dark...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the lenghty response! Indeed the errors were python-code related, 
> but it turns out the problem was in the sys-net domain not starting correctly 
> because of the card reader, which was seemingly seen as a network adapter. 
> Now that I fixed that everything seems to work properly and I'm loving it.
> One last thing: I set qubes to update packages over tor. I immediately 
> regretted 
> the decision. Is there a way to download update w/o Tor?
> Regards

Glad you love it already, you will likeliy only grow even happier with Qubes 
over time :-) It's an amazing project indeed! and there is still a lot of new 
things going on, expanding the idea of what Qubes is about further. Like the 
recent news here https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2018/01/22/qubes-air/ as far as 
I understood it it's not changing Qubes or the ideas and principles behind 
Qubes, but it is however expanding what you can opt-in and with choices you 
have with Qubes. 

Ad for changing updates over Tor, yes, and it's super easy too :-)
Go to Qubes menu ---> System Tools ---> Global Qubes Settings. In there, change 
the UpdateVM away from sys-whonix, and put it to sys-firewall. There are many 
in the list, but on any default install, you can only use sys-whonix or 
sys-firewall, the former for Tor, and the latter for regular network. 

If you expand your default setup to include an VPN connection, multiple of VPN 
connections, or multiple of Tor connections, combine, or have multiple of 
firewalls, then here too is where you'll change where Qubes gets its updates 
from :-)

Note in Qubes 4, Qubes will handle the default pre-installed template updates, 
so that templates has no internet themselves (unlike Qubes 3.2. where every 
template has internet on their own). You still update the same way, but Qubes 
will handle the distribution of template packages. As far as I know, this too 
will follow this setting, although I'm only almost sure, not entire, I did not 
yet check if my assumption here is true or not.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-25 Thread darklampz
Thanks for the lenghty response! Indeed the errors were python-code related, 
but it turns out the problem was in the sys-net domain not starting correctly 
because of the card reader, which was seemingly seen as a network adapter. Now 
that I fixed that everything seems to work properly and I'm loving it.
One last thing: I set qubes to update packages over tor. I immediately 
regretted 
the decision. Is there a way to download update w/o Tor?
Regards

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Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-25 Thread Yuraeitha
On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 4:28:30 PM UTC+1, dark...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm back and you were right! There was some efi junk on ssd that once deleted 
> let me install smoothly. Although I'm now facing another issue: when I boot 
> up for the first time, the qubes configuration goes all the way until a point 
> when it gives me a pci-related error (I'll try reproducing it again but I 
> dumbly closed the window). Anyways, the os let's me enter the desktop nd 
> I can't open VMs. This means that whatever VM I click on won't open. The only 
> VM that opens is sys-usb. 
> Regards

Were it by any chance python code errors? and happening the moment you tried to 
configure new VM's, network, etc. during the last step after first boot?

In which case, you can solve it either by identifying missing UEFI/BIOS 
settings, updating UEFI/BIOS (be sure you know what you do first, so you don't 
brick your hardware here), and lastly but not least, you can pull out the 
HDD/SSD/NMMe, whichever you use, and then put it in another computer. Install 
Qubes, fully update Qubes, and then pull the drive back out and put it back in 
your original machine. I've successfully done this a few times to bypass the 
Qubes 4 errors and other installation issues that normally are fixed with 
updates, but are not fixed in the install medium. This in particular helps in 
Qubes 4, where this step frequently happens during the last setup step on first 
boot on the Qubes 4 RC-1 / RC-2 and RC-3. Hopefully RC-4 is free of this issue.

Precausions!!

1): Using this method, it's best to only install with Grub, unless you know 
your way around UEFI/EFI install paths. If you use UEFI/EFI, then not only will 
it be tricky to regain any old EFI paths you had on the other machine, it will 
also be tricky to install on the current machine when you put it back in. If 
you on the other hand install with LegacyBIOS/Grub, then it should just work, 
plain and simple.

2: Might want to pull out any drives you got on the other machine, while 
installing Qubes, just in case anything should be written to the drives, like 
new grub configurations, etc. just to be safe, remove them. Then put them back 
in as they were when you pull the drive out you just installed Qubes on (best 
use same cables if any software is sensitive to the drive numbers). 

3: When you put it back in the old machine, and errors that were corrected 
between RC-3 and now today, will be fixed. 

I've had quite a lot of success on multiple different Qubes 4 machines using 
this method as of late.

Maybe worth a a try if you got a sparing computer around that can run Qubes?

Just keep in mind your Qubes will be exposed to unsafe hardware if the other 
machine isn't trustworthy. But for the most part, if its beween not getting 
Qubes to work, and this, then it's well worth the risk imho. Also the risk 
might be low, depending on what you pulled that machine through, and/or your 
public profile. Like probably only high profile people are heavily targeted, 
like really heavy profiles. You're probably not at much rish in this day and 
age, but you never know for sure though, but probably not big odds.

Either way, it's definitely worth it if its your last option to try.

Also your description of the issue sounds a lot like the issues I encounter, 
where it helps installing on another machine, update, and then put the drive 
back. It may be worth a shot if you got the means to do it. 

Further keep in mind if you break any still valid warrenties, and/or be sure 
you don't do something that might break your computer. Think twice, or triple, 
and ask if you got questions before doing something you're not sure about is 
doing. Just to be safer, there is always a risk when going into UEFI/BIOS 
settings, nevermind updating it which can brick your system if it breaks 
halffway or there is a corruption in your downloaded update file, poweroutages 
during UEFI/BIOS update, instability causing freezes, etc. etc.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-25 Thread darklampz
I'm back and you were right! There was some efi junk on ssd that once deleted 
let me install smoothly. Although I'm now facing another issue: when I boot up 
for the first time, the qubes configuration goes all the way until a point when 
it gives me a pci-related error (I'll try reproducing it again but I dumbly 
closed the window). Anyways, the os let's me enter the desktop nd I can't 
open VMs. This means that whatever VM I click on won't open. The only VM that 
opens is sys-usb. 
Regards

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Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-25 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Thu, January 25, 2018 10:14 am, darkla...@gmail.com wrote:
> 4.0. I'll try asap.

Sorry, thought of a third option right after hitting send...

You might have leftover junk in the EFI partition from other OSes. You
could look around in /boot/efi/EFI to see if there's anything to delete to
free up space. It's pretty easy to end up with a non-booting system if
there are other OSes on the same drive, so use caution if that's the case
(don't think it is in yours).

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Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-25 Thread darklampz
4.0. I'll try asap.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installation error: need at least 3mb more on /boot/efi

2018-01-25 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Thu, January 25, 2018 9:10 am, darkla...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> as per title, when trying to install on a laptop (with new partitions
> automatically created by the installer) I get this error. I've seen
> another person with the same problem but he was upgrading qubes, qhereas
> I'm on a fresh install.
> Thanks for your help!

3.2 or 4.0? In 3.2 I believe the installer re-uses the existing EFI
partition instead of creating a new one. 4.0 might be the same. So a
couple options are:
- completely wipe the drive before installing Qubes on it (e.g. secure
erase if SSD). If that doesn't work,
- manually specify partition sizes on install. I'd set EFI at 512MB.

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