[RBW] Re: AT 0154
Cool! BTW - What spindle length are you looking for and are you going by the Sheldon Brown suggestions for the AT? On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS
XT (I think it's XT; it's certainly XT quality) 122.5 cup and cone bb bearing assembly, new, no package, $30 shipped. New, never mounted SOMA double tongue, double loops (that's four strap holes, folks!), silver, large, $15 shipped. REDUCED Pair Gaerne crabon fibre road shoes, well used but still very usable for someone who wears a 44/10, WITH pair of Look Delta pedals and cleats, pedals scuffed but bearings just re-lubed, $35 shipped for it all. Planet Bike Roadie pump for 57 - 58 cm frame, used 4 times, $20 shipped. SOLD MKS GR-9 platforms, well used and tabs broken off, but still eminently flippable and eminently usable, $15 shipped. Boiled wool mittens, excellent, fit medium hand, $15 shipped. Bellwether heavy winter gauntlets, leather palm and wind shields at fingter tips, 12 long from middle finger tip to end of cuff, size Medium, very good. These are nice heavy gloves, but I have found my fingers are warmer in a size large with a half inch of room at the fingertips. $25 shipped. Dupont Hollowfill cycling gloves with Illuminite Large gloves: rather lofty and not tight fitting, $15 shipped. Eleven-Gear 28 oz ss vacuum waterbottles with sippy spouts and hinged dome lids over spouts. The spouts' air valve sometimes goes wonky, meaning that water will dribble from the spout when you turn your bike upside down, but this never affects drinking. $15 each shipped, $25 shipped for two of them. (Original cost was $30 each.) 700C fixed/ss wheelset, Weinmann Concave rims, 36 spokes (rear 14 G stainless and built by moi), front original zincs, Normandy hubs (rear fw), both straight and true, $70 shipped. Prices include shipping within CONUS. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Can't Open RBW Site
Anyone else having this problem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What parts are going on Roadeos
Mine arrived yesterday. Standard white with red trim. Phil Wood hubs with Open Pro Rims/DT Swiss/ and Schwalbe Kojaks New Ultegra shifters and derailleurs Tektro 538 brakes Lugged stem and seatpost Banana bag on bars Dura Ace pedals and headset Soba Bars with red cloth tape King bottle cages Brooks swift saddle Riv did the build and it is immaculate. The bike is an inverse paint scheme to my custom All Round which is red with white fill. Took it around the block last night and very much look forward to getting my ya-yas out later today after dog walking and iron communion (the gym). On Dec 9, 11:29 am, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Now that Roadeos are being delivered I'd be interested to know what parts folks are putting on them. Campy, Sram, Shimano., TA Sugino, Ultegra Dura Ace etc and what the cost is coming to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What parts are going on Roadeos
Threaded. On Dec 9, 11:29 am, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Now that Roadeos are being delivered I'd be interested to know what parts folks are putting on them. Campy, Sram, Shimano., TA Sugino, Ultegra Dura Ace etc and what the cost is coming to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What parts are going on Roadeos
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:06 -0800, steven wrote: Mine arrived yesterday. Standard white with red trim. Phil Wood hubs with Open Pro Rims/DT Swiss/ and Schwalbe Kojaks New Ultegra shifters and derailleurs Ultegra 10? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Can't Open RBW Site
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:04 -0800, Ray wrote: Anyone else having this problem? Not me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Can't Open RBW Site (On Mac?)
Still can't get in. The link says. Hmm… it looks like you’ve followed an old link. You can either go to the Rivendell home page, or if you think there’s a problem with the site, let us know. Seems this happened once or twice before. Something to do with Mac's or with Firefox, or something. Do any of you techies know what my problem might be? Thanks. Ray --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [RBW] Can't Open RBW Site To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:04 AM Anyone else having this problem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Can't Open RBW Site
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Anyone else having this problem? http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/rivbike.com -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Can't Open RBW Site
Thanks, Seth, but what's that mean to me? I have not changed one thing on my computer, and I accessed the site yesterday. What is my problem? --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Can't Open RBW Site To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:20 AM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Anyone else having this problem? http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/rivbike.com -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Can't Open RBW Site
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Thanks, Seth, but what's that mean to me? I have not changed one thing on my computer, and I accessed the site yesterday. What is my problem? I don't know. I was just showing you a website that could help you tell if the site is down or not. That's all. I don't know what else to tell you. Call riv? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS: Soba bars and E6
Hi Patrick, Are the E6/E6Z the older style w/ clear ring or newer style w/ opaque ring? Curtis On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: Soba Bars (44cm) - $65 Schmidt E6 *and* E6Z (secondary lamp) - $100 (must take both!) price includes shipping! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS - Ostrich bag and decaleur, VO front and rear racks, TA pedals, Zeus brake levers / maybe honjo hammered fenders for 650b
Well, it was the one benefit of 2 1/2 weeks of delirious swine fluin between feverish hallucinations, I figured...I need a new bike...and somehow the usual inhibitions wore off. And then right back to bed. It's a great bike, surprisingly fast, and very comfortable. Speedy uphill too. Not sure why that is. I'm used to a low trail bike for a load on the front, so with a load on the front, this takes a little getting used to, but with 12 lbs on the front and 20 on the back...pretty good loaded too (hence why I removed the racks and changed them out for ones I had). I love the handlebars! - Nitto Randos I think. All in all a very comfortable fast stable bike. And this is my first SON hub light...far far nicer than the battery LEDs I've been using. I ride a lot early in the morning and while I don't mind riding in the dark, this bike with the greater light has been revelatory. My wife has a riv too, and they're a nice pair! On Dec 9, 8:08 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm glad somebody bought it. I can't tell you how tempted I was! On Dec 9, 4:59 pm, rb b...@projectblu.com wrote: Hello - I am the delighted new owner of a beautiful Saluki that you will recognize, and a sometimes poster here as well. This is a lovely bike, rides very nicely, fast and stable; but there are some parts on it that are either duplications of what I already have, or don't fit with how I use/will use the bike. The list - front VO constructeur rack and integrated decaleur + Ostrich bag (I have a bag and will use a different rack) rear VO constructeur rack (I need a rack that has further setback, will entertain a swap) TA pedals (too small for my very big and wide feet) Zeus brake levers (slightly embarrassing to say, but I will be putting brifters on). These levers are supremely beautiful and work like a Leica. The racks are in virtually new condition, no wear of any sort, as is the bag The pedals are of course vintage, but are in excellent shape (and I will include the leather covered toe clips) And the brake levers are in immaculate condition And...if you have a Saluki already...and would like these fenders in addition to the racksI will ship you the fenders with the racks already installed (a giant PITA that installation is, i did it on another bike...painful!)...and even if you have fenders already, perhaps we can just trade...fenders with racks for fenders without, assuming they're honjos or similar, and drilled for a Saluki. Pricing front rack, bag, and decaleur - rack - $110.00, bag and decaleur $105.00 rear rack $65 TA pedals - $125 Zeus brake levers - I just don't know what the market for these is...I gladly will entertain suggestions. Here is a link to photos of the parts taken by the previous owner of the bikeit's almost sacreligious to take these parts off, this bike is so well put together / integrated...but the racks don't do what I need them to; and as much as I enjoy the beauty of the pedals and levers, they don't fit me as well as others I already have. http://tinyurl.com/yhlyju9 Please email me off list if you are interested. Thanks, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
On Dec 10, 4:16 am, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Cool! BTW - What spindle length are you looking for and are you going by the Sheldon Brown suggestions for the AT? On the Saluki/AHH; an offset 122.5mm spindle works well for a 2-ring Sugino AT, 127mm for a triple. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: Cycletex asked: What spindle length are you looking for and are you going by the Sheldon Brown suggestions for the AT? --- I put a Sugino AT on an old Schwinn World Voyageur last summer. The longest BB I could find was 122.5, and I had to dent the chainstay to clear the granny ring. (A neighbor walked over and said, “Wow. I’ve seen you do a lot of things to bikes, but I’ve never seen you use a hammer. Bad day?”) A 125 or maybe even a 127 would’ve worked better, I think. Since this question comes up from time to time, I just measured the OE bottom bracket for Sugino AT triple cranks. It's 125mm with a 9mm driveside offset. Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length
Thanks Jason. The Sheldon Brown bottom bracket page lists a 115.5mm shimano un73 and 2mm spacer for the Sugino AT. Is that really going to work? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html That gives a 42.5 chainline. I wish I knew more about this stuff but I'm learning. On Dec 10, 11:06 am, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: Cycletex asked: What spindle length are you looking for and are you going by the Sheldon Brown suggestions for the AT? --- I put a Sugino AT on an old Schwinn World Voyageur last summer. The longest BB I could find was 122.5, and I had to dent the chainstay to clear the granny ring. (A neighbor walked over and said, “Wow. I’ve seen you do a lot of things to bikes, but I’ve never seen you use a hammer. Bad day?”) A 125 or maybe even a 127 would’ve worked better, I think. Since this question comes up from time to time, I just measured the OE bottom bracket for Sugino AT triple cranks. It's 125mm with a 9mm driveside offset. Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tips for best methods w. applying Ressurectio Decals?
Update for this thread: I tried the wet method with the Resurrectio decals, and it was a complete failure. The wet decal simply would not adhere whatsoever to the frame, and it ruined the decal. I tried the go for it method with the other main - tube decal, but I suppose the frustration from the first one being ruined cause me to pull it off too quickly and an otherwise good placement also was ruined. Anybody have any tips for getting decal gunk off? I'm guessing blasting it with a heatgun may be the best best... On Nov 23, 7:02 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Michael, my Trek is an early 610, and it was a fun re-build. I used the go for it method used in the video, but I'll admit I have a long history of applying stickers and such. I may try the wet method next time, but I'm somewhat skeptical. Let us know how it works out, and of course post some pics. Marty On Nov 22, 9:29 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the tips guys. It looks like the soapy water method is the one I'll be going with, seems to be the most forgiving if you don't have a surgeon's steady hand. Marty: What model Trek is yours, it looks like a supreme restoration. I believe mine is a 1985 model 550. Not nearly as beautiful on the lugwork as a Rivendell (I've also got a QB) but man do I have what some might call an irrational attachment to it. Happy riding y'all. On Nov 22, 8:21 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Bigger stickers, but the concept is the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERd5SQsq-3U On Nov 22, 12:01 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I got a set of the over typeResurrectiodecals for an old frame I recently got powdercoated, but I'm hesitant to slap them on, for fear of making some (as yet unknown) 1st timer mistakes. I'm guessing temperature would be a critical thing here, i.e: apply in a room temperature (70 degree) environment, but no other pitfalls immediately come to mind. This may just be a matter of common sense (i.e: go slow), but if anyone has bits of wisdom I'd greatly appreciate 'em. It's been a long haul bringing this one back from the dead, and I'd like to do the finishing touch right. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length
On Dec 10, 12:20 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Jason. The Sheldon Brown bottom bracket page lists a 115.5mm shimano un73 and 2mm spacer for the Sugino AT. Is that really going to work? No, not on the Atlantis. Spindle lengths vary according to: cranksets, and frame spacing, and # of chainrings, and and the shape of the chainstays. One size does not fit all. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length
The 135 rear spacing throws it a bit, I think, and the wide chainstays. I rat an AT on my Rambouillet (or Saluki--can't recall now) for a while (with a 135 OLD rear hub) and had to go crazy long for the spindle. Tried a Shimano 127 and the granny bottomed out on the chainstay before I even tightened the crank bolt. A 130 Phil Wool shifted as far to the right as possible almost worked, but I ended up using a used custom PW spindle that was (as I recall) 140mm long. The 130mm spindle would've probably been okay, but the tread was too asymmetrical for me--the left hand pedal was a centimeter or more closer to the BB than the right one. I found it uncomfortable. And the Granny was uncomfortably close to the stay. I eventually sold the cranks and BB (separately) and put a Sugino XD on there which I find pretty satisfactory if not as classic in appearance. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of John McMurry Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:23 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length On Dec 10, 12:20 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Jason. The Sheldon Brown bottom bracket page lists a 115.5mm shimano un73 and 2mm spacer for the Sugino AT. Is that really going to work? No, not on the Atlantis. Spindle lengths vary according to: cranksets, and frame spacing, and # of chainrings, and and the shape of the chainstays. One size does not fit all. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length
-Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of John McMurry Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:49 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length On Dec 10, 1:33 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I ran an AT on my Rambouillet (or Saluki--can't recall now) for a while (with a 135 OLD rear hub) and had to go crazy long for the spindle. Tried a Shimano 127 and the granny bottomed out on the chainstay before I even tightened the crank bolt. Did you recall spacing the drive-side cup out any? Here's a picture of clearances using 123mm Phil Wood BB on a double AT, on my Hilsen: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2421/3923293131_0d96604b1c_b.jpg The 127.5mm Shimano BB fit well when doing a triple chainring test fit, but required a few mm's of drive-side spacers for clearance. John McMurry Burlington, VT I didn't try spacers, but that might've solved the problem. I know shifting the 130mm PW to the right almost worked. The granny was pretty close to the chainstay but would've probably been okay. Shifting the left hand pedal inward too far causes issues with my ITB band in my left knee--I went with the longer spindle mainly just to get pedal tread symmetry... That's an admirably dirty AHH you have there! I love a well-used bike. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WAS: AT 0154 NOW: Sugino AT spindle length
+1 data point. I have a Sugino AT, with 48/34 double chainrings on a BStone RB-1. And I'm also using a 123mm Phil Wood bottom bracket, with good chainline and clearance between small ring and chainstay. Dave, who successfully used a 127mm Shimano cartridge bottom bracket when he had a Sugino AT double on a BStone XO-1 with its wider chainstays == John McMurry wrote: On Dec 10, 1:33 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I rat an AT on my Rambouillet (or Saluki--can't recall now) for a while (with a 135 OLD rear hub) and had to go crazy long for the spindle. Tried a Shimano 127 and the granny bottomed out on the chainstay before I even tightened the crank bolt. Did you recall spacing the drive-side cup out any? Here's a picture of clearances using 123mm Phil Wood BB on a double AT, on my Hilsen: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2421/3923293131_0d96604b1c_b.jpg The 127.5mm Shimano BB fit well when doing a triple chainring test fit, but required a few mm's of drive-side spacers for clearance. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What parts are going on Roadeos
If there was a blue ribbon for uncoventional builds I would likely win. Updated Photo set here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36302...@n08/sets/72157622875811028/ Build: Handle bar: Nitto RM013 Riv Dirt Drop Levers: Tektro Shifters: Suntour Barcon NOS Cables/Housing: Jagwire Titanium Finish Stem: Nitto Technomic Delux Tape: Soma Thick and Zesty Bell: Crane Brass Headset: Stronglight A9 Brakes: Shimano Ultrega BR-B600 (KoolStop Shoes) Seatpost: Salsa Shaft, cut down Saddle: Broks B-17 Bottom Bracket: Phil Wood 118.5 Crankset: Shimano Deore XT (730) Pedals: Sakae Low Fats (I have wide Feet) Tires: Jack Brown Green Rims: Mavic A117 Hubs: Phil Wood Rivy Freewheel Freewheel: IRD 6sp 13-28 Bags: Acorn Roll and Handlebar bag (likely putting my carridice longflap on the back) Parts were a mix of deal hunting, stuff I had and some new from Rivendell. Some of you might even recognise stuff you sold. Rob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tips for best methods w. applying Ressurectio Decals?
for some adhesives wd40 works surprisingly well. does a good job on bar tape residue. On Dec 10, 10:00 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Update for this thread: I tried the wet method with the Resurrectio decals, and it was a complete failure. The wet decal simply would not adhere whatsoever to the frame, and it ruined the decal. I tried the go for it method with the other main - tube decal, but I suppose the frustration from the first one being ruined cause me to pull it off too quickly and an otherwise good placement also was ruined. Anybody have any tips for getting decal gunk off? I'm guessing blasting it with a heatgun may be the best best... On Nov 23, 7:02 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Michael, my Trek is an early 610, and it was a fun re-build. I used the go for it method used in the video, but I'll admit I have a long history of applying stickers and such. I may try the wet method next time, but I'm somewhat skeptical. Let us know how it works out, and of course post some pics. Marty On Nov 22, 9:29 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the tips guys. It looks like the soapy water method is the one I'll be going with, seems to be the most forgiving if you don't have a surgeon's steady hand. Marty: What model Trek is yours, it looks like a supreme restoration. I believe mine is a 1985 model 550. Not nearly as beautiful on the lugwork as a Rivendell (I've also got a QB) but man do I have what some might call an irrational attachment to it. Happy riding y'all. On Nov 22, 8:21 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Bigger stickers, but the concept is the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERd5SQsq-3U On Nov 22, 12:01 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I got a set of the over typeResurrectiodecals for an old frame I recently got powdercoated, but I'm hesitant to slap them on, for fear of making some (as yet unknown) 1st timer mistakes. I'm guessing temperature would be a critical thing here, i.e: apply in a room temperature (70 degree) environment, but no other pitfalls immediately come to mind. This may just be a matter of common sense (i.e: go slow), but if anyone has bits of wisdom I'd greatly appreciate 'em. It's been a long haul bringing this one back from the dead, and I'd like to do the finishing touch right. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
I'm going to try a Shimano BB with 127.5 spindle and 2mm of spacers on the drive side. I think that's what was recommended when I last checked the ibob archives. I'll let everyone know if it works. On Dec 10, 1:16 am, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Cool! BTW - What spindle length are you looking for and are you going by the Sheldon Brown suggestions for the AT? On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tips for best methods w. applying Ressurectio Decals?
Goo Gone does wonders. On Dec 10, 1:54 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: for some adhesives wd40 works surprisingly well. does a good job on bar tape residue. On Dec 10, 10:00 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Update for this thread: I tried the wet method with the Resurrectio decals, and it was a complete failure. The wet decal simply would not adhere whatsoever to the frame, and it ruined the decal. I tried the go for it method with the other main - tube decal, but I suppose the frustration from the first one being ruined cause me to pull it off too quickly and an otherwise good placement also was ruined. Anybody have any tips for getting decal gunk off? I'm guessing blasting it with a heatgun may be the best best... On Nov 23, 7:02 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Michael, my Trek is an early 610, and it was a fun re-build. I used the go for it method used in the video, but I'll admit I have a long history of applying stickers and such. I may try the wet method next time, but I'm somewhat skeptical. Let us know how it works out, and of course post some pics. Marty On Nov 22, 9:29 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the tips guys. It looks like the soapy water method is the one I'll be going with, seems to be the most forgiving if you don't have a surgeon's steady hand. Marty: What model Trek is yours, it looks like a supreme restoration. I believe mine is a 1985 model 550. Not nearly as beautiful on the lugwork as a Rivendell (I've also got a QB) but man do I have what some might call an irrational attachment to it. Happy riding y'all. On Nov 22, 8:21 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Bigger stickers, but the concept is the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERd5SQsq-3U On Nov 22, 12:01 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I got a set of the over typeResurrectiodecals for an old frame I recently got powdercoated, but I'm hesitant to slap them on, for fear of making some (as yet unknown) 1st timer mistakes. I'm guessing temperature would be a critical thing here, i.e: apply in a room temperature (70 degree) environment, but no other pitfalls immediately come to mind. This may just be a matter of common sense (i.e: go slow), but if anyone has bits of wisdom I'd greatly appreciate 'em. It's been a long haul bringing this one back from the dead, and I'd like to do the finishing touch right. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tips for best methods w. applying Ressurectio Decals?
Second the Goo Gone. Too bad about the decal install - sounds frustrating, and I can only say been there done that. As a young designer, I was weaned on press-type - long before computers. Hours spent rubbing each letter down on a presentation board was tedious at best, and it did give me an appreciation for holding off on the caffeine until the job was done. You really want to get into a zen- like mode when you apply decals. Given your experience, you now know more about installing these things than most cyclists, so I say go for it again. Chances are it will turn out great. Marty On Dec 10, 2:59 pm, Rocky B rivvyr...@gmail.com wrote: Goo Gone does wonders. On Dec 10, 1:54 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: for some adhesives wd40 works surprisingly well. does a good job on bar tape residue. On Dec 10, 10:00 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Update for this thread: I tried the wet method with the Resurrectio decals, and it was a complete failure. The wet decal simply would not adhere whatsoever to the frame, and it ruined the decal. I tried the go for it method with the other main - tube decal, but I suppose the frustration from the first one being ruined cause me to pull it off too quickly and an otherwise good placement also was ruined. Anybody have any tips for getting decal gunk off? I'm guessing blasting it with a heatgun may be the best best... On Nov 23, 7:02 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Michael, my Trek is an early 610, and it was a fun re-build. I used the go for it method used in the video, but I'll admit I have a long history of applying stickers and such. I may try the wet method next time, but I'm somewhat skeptical. Let us know how it works out, and of course post some pics. Marty On Nov 22, 9:29 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the tips guys. It looks like the soapy water method is the one I'll be going with, seems to be the most forgiving if you don't have a surgeon's steady hand. Marty: What model Trek is yours, it looks like a supreme restoration. I believe mine is a 1985 model 550. Not nearly as beautiful on the lugwork as a Rivendell (I've also got a QB) but man do I have what some might call an irrational attachment to it. Happy riding y'all. On Nov 22, 8:21 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Bigger stickers, but the concept is the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERd5SQsq-3U On Nov 22, 12:01 am, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I got a set of the over typeResurrectiodecals for an old frame I recently got powdercoated, but I'm hesitant to slap them on, for fear of making some (as yet unknown) 1st timer mistakes. I'm guessing temperature would be a critical thing here, i.e: apply in a room temperature (70 degree) environment, but no other pitfalls immediately come to mind. This may just be a matter of common sense (i.e: go slow), but if anyone has bits of wisdom I'd greatly appreciate 'em. It's been a long haul bringing this one back from the dead, and I'd like to do the finishing touch right. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? He could call it the Tiggua brand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? He could call it the Tiggua brand. I thought the name for that brand was surly. Seriously though, what would be the point? Rivendell made it's name as lugged, steel. Changing that now doesn't do anything than dilute the brand as far as I can tell. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
think about staying in business and making money. sell more framesets, sell more parts, sell more complete bikes. surlys are sorta ugly. surly have ugly decals and are heavy, and don't think there are quill stemmed ones either. think about a bike that looks as great as an orange or green Sam, that rides great, looks great, and cost 30% less. On Dec 10, 1:40 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? He could call it the Tiggua brand. I thought the name for that brand was surly. Seriously though, what would be the point? Rivendell made it's name as lugged, steel. Changing that now doesn't do anything than dilute the brand as far as I can tell. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Hey Eddie, I thought this would be a great idea years ago. Waterford could TIG them for sure, but GP has really hung his hat on lugged steel. Me personally, I would probably pick USA TIG'ed steel over Taiwan lugs for the same price, assuming the designs were as similar as possible. We may well be a tiny minority on that though and it will surely never happen. Regards, Doug P.S. How about TIG'gua ;^) P.P.S. I would see it as more of a way to do domestically built frames/forks for similar money to the less expensive RBW designs, not another Taiwan produced frameset (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) a la Surly, Kogswell, Velo-Orange etc. that just happens to be even less moolah... On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? He could call it the Tiggua brand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
I think a TIG'd Riv would be great-- and was mentioned a few times in the early days (if i remember correctly). To me, it is more about how the bike fits and rides then how it looks-- though how it looks is important too. If it isnt a direction they are interested in going, I can respect that. But it would be nice. How about a Musa TIG'd line? and I like Tiggua for a name too. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great. i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded forks, and a new line of steel open face quills to fill the void Salsa left in the market and add some variety to the limited flat angle Nittos. I love Nittos, but sometimes I'd rather have rise at the extension rather than at the quill height. i even think well chosen powder coated colors with stickers on top could do the trick. On Dec 10, 2:05 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I think a TIG'd Riv would be great-- and was mentioned a few times in the early days (if i remember correctly). To me, it is more about how the bike fits and rides then how it looks-- though how it looks is important too. If it isnt a direction they are interested in going, I can respect that. But it would be nice. How about a Musa TIG'd line? and I like Tiggua for a name too. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
I guess my thought on this is why would RBW want to drop into the Surly/Soma price arena? GP has said many times he thinks Surly makes a great product. As far as a TIG'ed Roadeo equivalent goes, I think it would cannibalize Roadeo sales to some degree since it could be lighter and that is where the Roadeo is supposed to be competing. Difference in opinion on the reason to consider TIG, I guess... Regards, Doug On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great. i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded forks, and a new line of steel open face quills to fill the void Salsa left in the market and add some variety to the limited flat angle Nittos. I love Nittos, but sometimes I'd rather have rise at the extension rather than at the quill height. i even think well chosen powder coated colors with stickers on top could do the trick. On Dec 10, 2:05 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I think a TIG'd Riv would be great-- and was mentioned a few times in the early days (if i remember correctly). To me, it is more about how the bike fits and rides then how it looks-- though how it looks is important too. If it isnt a direction they are interested in going, I can respect that. But it would be nice. How about a Musa TIG'd line? and I like Tiggua for a name too. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 14:13 -0800, eflayer wrote: i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great. i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded forks, and a new line of steel open face quills to fill the void Salsa left in the market and add some variety to the limited flat angle Nittos. I love Nittos, but sometimes I'd rather have rise at the extension rather than at the quill height. I believe Grant is firmly of the opinion that it is lugged or nothing, as far as he and Rivendell are concerned. I think you should write him direct with your suggestions, as he is the sole arbiter of the Rivendell style. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
i did write him on this exact topic a few days ago. just said it was an idea i had and no need, on his part, to respond. then i thought i'd put it out to the universe to see what others thought. On Dec 10, 2:23 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 14:13 -0800, eflayer wrote: i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great. i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded forks, and a new line of steel open face quills to fill the void Salsa left in the market and add some variety to the limited flat angle Nittos. I love Nittos, but sometimes I'd rather have rise at the extension rather than at the quill height. I believe Grant is firmly of the opinion that it is lugged or nothing, as far as he and Rivendell are concerned. I think you should write him direct with your suggestions, as he is the sole arbiter of the Rivendell style. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Doesn't Rivendell sell T-shirts that say Always steel, always lugged? :D I think there are already plenty of TIG constructed bikes that pretty well match Rivendell's design philosophy. For example, Surly LHT, Box Dog Pelican (that was reviewed in the latest Bicycle Quarterly) and Bruce Gordon bikes. On Dec 10, 5:59 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i did write him on this exact topic a few days ago. just said it was an idea i had and no need, on his part, to respond. then i thought i'd put it out to the universe to see what others thought. On Dec 10, 2:23 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 14:13 -0800, eflayer wrote: i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great. i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded forks, and a new line of steel open face quills to fill the void Salsa left in the market and add some variety to the limited flat angle Nittos. I love Nittos, but sometimes I'd rather have rise at the extension rather than at the quill height. I believe Grant is firmly of the opinion that it is lugged or nothing, as far as he and Rivendell are concerned. I think you should write him direct with your suggestions, as he is the sole arbiter of the Rivendell style. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
I think for offroad you'd want plastic fenders like SKS.They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. I'm planning on getting a pair for my bike. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Well done USA made Tiggs are not necessarily cheap. Mike Flanigan (AntBike) and Bruce Gordon make excellent Tigged bikes. They are not as pricey as lugged, but more than $650.00. Nor do I see what Grant can do that Surly, Kogswell, VO, etc., etc. are not already, to squeeze a lighter, nicer looking Tigg bike from Taiwan. Well, that is other than putting the Rivendell name on it. I think Grant has too much invested in the Rivendell name to want to use it to sell a somewhat more expensive Surly. On Dec 10, 4:59 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i did write him on this exact topic a few days ago. just said it was an idea i had and no need, on his part, to respond. then i thought i'd put it out to the universe to see what others thought. On Dec 10, 2:23 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 14:13 -0800, eflayer wrote: i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great. i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded forks, and a new line of steel open face quills to fill the void Salsa left in the market and add some variety to the limited flat angle Nittos. I love Nittos, but sometimes I'd rather have rise at the extension rather than at the quill height. I believe Grant is firmly of the opinion that it is lugged or nothing, as far as he and Rivendell are concerned. I think you should write him direct with your suggestions, as he is the sole arbiter of the Rivendell style.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Tee shirts come in batches and it would be easy to update them to: Always steel, mostly tigged, sometimes lugged...and now look at all the money we have in the bank? On Dec 10, 3:14 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't Rivendell sell T-shirts that say Always steel, always lugged? :D I think there are already plenty of TIG constructed bikes that pretty well match Rivendell's design philosophy. For example, Surly LHT, Box Dog Pelican (that was reviewed in the latest Bicycle Quarterly) and Bruce Gordon bikes. On Dec 10, 5:59 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i did write him on this exact topic a few days ago. just said it was an idea i had and no need, on his part, to respond. then i thought i'd put it out to the universe to see what others thought. On Dec 10, 2:23 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 14:13 -0800, eflayer wrote: i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great. i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded forks, and a new line of steel open face quills to fill the void Salsa left in the market and add some variety to the limited flat angle Nittos. I love Nittos, but sometimes I'd rather have rise at the extension rather than at the quill height. I believe Grant is firmly of the opinion that it is lugged or nothing, as far as he and Rivendell are concerned. I think you should write him direct with your suggestions, as he is the sole arbiter of the Rivendell style.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. And then some. They are pretty big fenders. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. That can get annoying real fast. On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I think for offroad you'd want plastic fenders like SKS. They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. I'm planning on getting a pair for my bike. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. René- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] nitto tig-welded steel stem
Big Dog Cyclery had Nitto make a 90 degree rise tig-welded steel stem with a two-bolt faceplate, the Nitto UI-2. I have the UI-2 stem on my bike, and the 90 degree rise along with the quill at the minimum insertion line allows the top of the handlebars to be about level with the saddle. Take a look at the stem at http://tullios.com/Nitto.htm. There's also a couple of posts about the stem at Tullio's blog, http://tullios.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-09-27T22%3A39%3A00-04%3A00. Still not many options, but better than zero. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Try VeloOrange for well designed and inexpensive tig welded bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Tiggua...Tagua. Both nuts! What next? Plaid Pleather? On Dec 10, 6:34 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Try VeloOrange for well designed and inexpensive tig welded bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Well, I have a 1996 All Rounder (lugged), a ~1995 Ritchey (fillet brazed) and a 1998 Gunnar Crosshairs (TIG). Two of the three were made in Waterford WI. The Gunnar rides great. Handles superbly, light, stiff enough (Reynolds 853 in those days). But it doesn't inspire. It's the utility bike, the one I put in the trunk when I take a trip somewhere, the one I ride in iffy weather but it's only the bike of choice when I intend to ride a lot off road. I don't go down to the basement and say I want to ride the Gunnar. I go downstairs and say I want to ride the Riv or I want to ride the Ritchey. Neither the Riv nor the Ritchey have a superior ride to the Gunnar. They're not exactly the same but they're all very good. The Riv is the most comfortable bike I have ever owned and is the most adaptable bike I can imagine- it lives up to its name. It's been a mountain bike, a commuter bike, a racing club training ride bike, a randonneuse and it's done them all with aplomb. The Ritchey is pretty comfortable and is the best-handling race bike I ever had, better than any fancy Reparto Corsa Italian job or anything specialized for racing. I think that bike around corners, I don't steer it. The Gunnar sort of splits the difference between them and handles particularly well off-road. But the Gunnar doesn't inspire and I think that is purely about aesthetics. The undeniable craftsmanship of the Gunnar frame is very evident. But TIG welds just don't move me the way a finely shaped and filed lug does or the graceful curve of a fillet. Call me shallow and vain, it'd be true enough, but the aesthetic of TIG doesn't do it for me. I don't think it's a worse way to stick tubes together from a mechanical perspective- TIG frames have proven to be effective and durable. I don't look down on TIG frames- they just don't make my heart sing. Obviously there are many people who feel the opposite and more power to 'em. I'm delighted that choices remain in the world of cycling and we can all pick up something that stirs us and makes us chafe to get out for a ride. As for a TIG'd Rivendell... it would ride like a Riv. It would be functionally the same as a Riv. But it wouldn't be a Riv IMHO. A Riv to me is not defined by frame geometry or shellac or twine. It's defined by the overall aesthetic as expressed through the details- the curving shoreline, the cutouts, the bar height relative to the saddle, the fat tires, etc. etc. YMMV. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] nitto tig-welded steel stem
On Dec 10, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Richard wrote: Big Dog Cyclery had Nitto make a 90 degree rise tig-welded steel stem with a two-bolt faceplate, the Nitto UI-2. I have the UI-2 stem on my bike, and the 90 degree rise along with the quill at the minimum insertion line allows the top of the handlebars to be about level with the saddle. Take a look at the stem at http://tullios.com/Nitto.htm. There's also a couple of posts about the stem at Tullio's blog, http://tullios.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-09-27T22%3A39% 3A00-04%3A00. Still not many options, but better than zero. OK, if I read the blog I'll probably find the answer to this... but did Todd reopen Tullio's? Or is this new ownership? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis
From yesterday's blog posting: We're working on two new bikes. The SimpleOne is a replacement for the Quickbeam. Sizes 54 thru 64, same geometry, basically the same frame. We may have complete bikes, but at least frames. And a new bike, kind of an Atlantis replacement, name not announceable yet, but details will follow. We have some of the last Japanese-built Atlantises, and with the dollar at a 14-year low against the Yen, that may be the end of it. (People often call up disappointed that we don't have something anymore, even when we announce that it's going away for several months. It's understandable. I've done the same, but right now, we're telling you: Want a Japanese-built Atlantis? Call 800-345-3918...---G -- http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/172 In case you missed that, let me echo it: Want a Japanese built Atlantis? Call now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
I feel the same as you about the ultimate aesthetic. What got me thinking on this topic is my new tigged 2009 Fuji Touring. It rides as good as, if not better than, any other steel bike I have ever owned. Tigged in China. Not so pretty of paint or quality of welds. But there is absolutely something about the frameset and the ride that is blowing my mind. I was riding it the other day and thought, wow if only Grant would do one of these with same lively ride, but with the touches only he could do for the aesthetics...even to a tigged bike. I think the Fuji must be using some lighter springier tubes or something. Think the Roadeo fits into the lightweight flyer class. That is my preferred style of riding. Nothing more than an occasional small trunk bag of weight. So I still want a lightweight Riv, tigged, tall headtube, threaded fork, vbrakes, and 700C. Grant could do it best. Gunnar Sport is close, but no quills, brazeons?, no vbrakes...but good geo. On Dec 10, 4:16 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: Well, I have a 1996 All Rounder (lugged), a ~1995 Ritchey (fillet brazed) and a 1998 Gunnar Crosshairs (TIG). Two of the three were made in Waterford WI. The Gunnar rides great. Handles superbly, light, stiff enough (Reynolds 853 in those days). But it doesn't inspire. It's the utility bike, the one I put in the trunk when I take a trip somewhere, the one I ride in iffy weather but it's only the bike of choice when I intend to ride a lot off road. I don't go down to the basement and say I want to ride the Gunnar. I go downstairs and say I want to ride the Riv or I want to ride the Ritchey. Neither the Riv nor the Ritchey have a superior ride to the Gunnar. They're not exactly the same but they're all very good. The Riv is the most comfortable bike I have ever owned and is the most adaptable bike I can imagine- it lives up to its name. It's been a mountain bike, a commuter bike, a racing club training ride bike, a randonneuse and it's done them all with aplomb. The Ritchey is pretty comfortable and is the best-handling race bike I ever had, better than any fancy Reparto Corsa Italian job or anything specialized for racing. I think that bike around corners, I don't steer it. The Gunnar sort of splits the difference between them and handles particularly well off-road. But the Gunnar doesn't inspire and I think that is purely about aesthetics. The undeniable craftsmanship of the Gunnar frame is very evident. But TIG welds just don't move me the way a finely shaped and filed lug does or the graceful curve of a fillet. Call me shallow and vain, it'd be true enough, but the aesthetic of TIG doesn't do it for me. I don't think it's a worse way to stick tubes together from a mechanical perspective- TIG frames have proven to be effective and durable. I don't look down on TIG frames- they just don't make my heart sing. Obviously there are many people who feel the opposite and more power to 'em. I'm delighted that choices remain in the world of cycling and we can all pick up something that stirs us and makes us chafe to get out for a ride. As for a TIG'd Rivendell... it would ride like a Riv. It would be functionally the same as a Riv. But it wouldn't be a Riv IMHO. A Riv to me is not defined by frame geometry or shellac or twine. It's defined by the overall aesthetic as expressed through the details- the curving shoreline, the cutouts, the bar height relative to the saddle, the fat tires, etc. etc. YMMV. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
A small company can't be all things to all customers. RBW probably has a corner on the new-production, non-custom, lugged-steel market. It's hard to imagine what RBW could do with TIG that Surly hasn't done already (Surly bikes are wonderful and smart and high quality, and a $100 powdercoat remedies any color complaints). Of course, Surly is not alone in the TIG market... If Riv doesn't do lugs, and do them well, then what is their brand identity? I seem to recall that the older reduced-price offerings - i.e. Romulus/ Redwood - were thought to cannibalize Rambouillet sales. I suppose when GP considers new frame offerings, he has to look at the potential for bringing in new customers to the brand, rather than giving current customers lower price alternatives. Back when we had Atlantis frames and bikes for sale, it was the lugs (and a certain amount of name identity) that justified a frameset that, at $1400 a couple years ago, was 50%+ more expensive than a nicely equipped complete LHT. On Dec 10, 3:52 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: think about staying in business and making money. sell more framesets, sell more parts, sell more complete bikes. surlys are sorta ugly. surly have ugly decals and are heavy, and don't think there are quill stemmed ones either. think about a bike that looks as great as an orange or green Sam, that rides great, looks great, and cost 30% less. On Dec 10, 1:40 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? He could call it the Tiggua brand. I thought the name for that brand was surly. Seriously though, what would be the point? Rivendell made it's name as lugged, steel. Changing that now doesn't do anything than dilute the brand as far as I can tell. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
The potential noise doesn't bother me, but the potential accident does. However, led by your suggestions, I just found out that Planet Bike makes a set of fenders for 29er moutnain bikes that will cover up to a 2.3 tire, and these fit the prescription perfectly. I'll be ordering a set of those. Here's a review: http://twentynineinches.com/2007/02/13/planet-bike-freddy-fenders-cascadia-for-29ers/ René On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. And then some. They are pretty big fenders. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. That can get annoying real fast. On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I think for offroad you'd want plastic fenders like SKS.They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. I'm planning on getting a pair for my bike. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. René- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
My T-shirt says Still Lugged Steel. Vindication will come. Just you wait. The answer to your question don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really good job on a tigged frame? is of course Yes, they could. The follow on is Why?. They have developed a niche market that they understand and serve well. The notion of sell more bikes, make more money isn't necessarily true. The bicycle business (Shimano excepted) is a tough place for anyone to make money. Differentiating yourself from the broader market (lugged frames) and selling to a smaller but more appreciative clientele (us) is highly effective. Bankruptcy courts are crowded with the bones of small companies that felt they had to grow too fast. My sense is they've got a decent small business going, they know what they're doing, and they've got a very clear identity in the market. Sometimes the best decision is to stick to what you do well and keep doing it. dougP On Dec 10, 4:16 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: Well, I have a 1996 All Rounder (lugged), a ~1995 Ritchey (fillet brazed) and a 1998 Gunnar Crosshairs (TIG). Two of the three were made in Waterford WI. The Gunnar rides great. Handles superbly, light, stiff enough (Reynolds 853 in those days). But it doesn't inspire. It's the utility bike, the one I put in the trunk when I take a trip somewhere, the one I ride in iffy weather but it's only the bike of choice when I intend to ride a lot off road. I don't go down to the basement and say I want to ride the Gunnar. I go downstairs and say I want to ride the Riv or I want to ride the Ritchey. Neither the Riv nor the Ritchey have a superior ride to the Gunnar. They're not exactly the same but they're all very good. The Riv is the most comfortable bike I have ever owned and is the most adaptable bike I can imagine- it lives up to its name. It's been a mountain bike, a commuter bike, a racing club training ride bike, a randonneuse and it's done them all with aplomb. The Ritchey is pretty comfortable and is the best-handling race bike I ever had, better than any fancy Reparto Corsa Italian job or anything specialized for racing. I think that bike around corners, I don't steer it. The Gunnar sort of splits the difference between them and handles particularly well off-road. But the Gunnar doesn't inspire and I think that is purely about aesthetics. The undeniable craftsmanship of the Gunnar frame is very evident. But TIG welds just don't move me the way a finely shaped and filed lug does or the graceful curve of a fillet. Call me shallow and vain, it'd be true enough, but the aesthetic of TIG doesn't do it for me. I don't think it's a worse way to stick tubes together from a mechanical perspective- TIG frames have proven to be effective and durable. I don't look down on TIG frames- they just don't make my heart sing. Obviously there are many people who feel the opposite and more power to 'em. I'm delighted that choices remain in the world of cycling and we can all pick up something that stirs us and makes us chafe to get out for a ride. As for a TIG'd Rivendell... it would ride like a Riv. It would be functionally the same as a Riv. But it wouldn't be a Riv IMHO. A Riv to me is not defined by frame geometry or shellac or twine. It's defined by the overall aesthetic as expressed through the details- the curving shoreline, the cutouts, the bar height relative to the saddle, the fat tires, etc. etc. YMMV. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: nitto tig-welded steel stem
Todd still owns Big Dog Cyclery. On Dec 10, 6:18 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Dec 10, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Richard wrote: Big Dog Cyclery had Nitto make a 90 degree rise tig-welded steel stem with a two-bolt faceplate, the Nitto UI-2. I have the UI-2 stem on my bike, and the 90 degree rise along with the quill at the minimum insertion line allows the top of the handlebars to be about level with the saddle. Take a look at the stem athttp://tullios.com/Nitto.htm. There's also a couple of posts about the stem at Tullio's blog, http://tullios.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-09-27T22%3A39% 3A00-04%3A00. Still not many options, but better than zero. OK, if I read the blog I'll probably find the answer to this... but did Todd reopen Tullio's? Or is this new ownership? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
This topic is raised too often. The search function applies to conceptual conversations, as well. Thanks, erik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
I'm going to reveal my ignorance here but how do Sugino's AT cranks differ from the XD? My Atlantis came with XD triple cranks and a cartridge 115 bb. The chainline looked like the bb was too long but everything worked. When the original died, I replaced it with a 110. Chainline is perfect. The granny clears but not by much, so I have a note to self to use 113 next time. So what is about ATs that's so different from XDs? Side note on your seasonal desire for go-fast vs touring: Pop a set if light wheels with racy tires on your Atlantis. It completely changes the character of the bike. Looks funny as hell but it's a different bike. dougP On Dec 9, 9:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
i did a search on tigged and did not find much. maybe Grant will surprise you/us and announce the Atlantis replacement will be tigged. then he will have order new tee shirts. On Dec 10, 5:05 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: This topic is raised too often. The search function applies to conceptual conversations, as well. Thanks, erik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
On Dec 10, 7:36 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I feel the same as you about the ultimate aesthetic. What got me thinking on this topic is my new tigged 2009 Fuji Touring. It rides as good as, if not better than, any other steel bike I have ever owned. Tigged in China. Not so pretty of paint or quality of welds. But there is absolutely something about the frameset and the ride that is blowing my mind. One of my local shops has a Fuji Touring set up in their window- it's a nice dark evergreen color. Kind of a british racing green I suppose. Beautiful bike! I'm glad to hear it rides as nice as it looks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS Items
Hi All, Making some room, so I can get some other bike stuff... Paypal preffered or postal money order, I pay shipping to lower 48. Please reply off list. Brooks B-67 $95 Package of: Albatross Bars the wide ones Heat treated 25.4 clamp $55 Nitto 12cm Technomic Deluxe Stem $35 Paul Thumbies with Dura Ace shifter levers $55 MKS Brake Levers $25 Would like to sell all together but will consider parts. Nitto Technomic 9cm non deluxe long quill 25.4 $35 Nitto Periscopa new in package never used or inserted $35 Marks Rack new in package never used or opened $90 Sackville Saddlesack first generation very lightly used $95 Musa Butternut Pants size XL used lots of life left $25 Wheel Set: Phil Wood rear 36h 7 speed freewheel Sunrace 11-28, bought from Riv, Rich built, 500 miles Suntour XC9000 front 32h Skewers included Mavic MA3 rims, straight and true, great shape $320 pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/d_nawrocki/sets/72157622851523397/ Thanks, Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
I'll bet the Atlantis never goes up for sale. If it does let me know Ryan. I'm on my third through my own ignorance but I'd be happy to take that one off your hands if and when you decide to part ways. I won't sell the one I have now but I'd give it a sister with a different hairdo given the opportunity. Your going to like that bike. If not you know where to find me. On Dec 10, 7:13 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I'm going to reveal my ignorance here but how do Sugino's AT cranks differ from the XD? My Atlantis came with XD triple cranks and a cartridge 115 bb. The chainline looked like the bb was too long but everything worked. When the original died, I replaced it with a 110. Chainline is perfect. The granny clears but not by much, so I have a note to self to use 113 next time. So what is about ATs that's so different from XDs? Side note on your seasonal desire for go-fast vs touring: Pop a set if light wheels with racy tires on your Atlantis. It completely changes the character of the bike. Looks funny as hell but it's a different bike. dougP On Dec 9, 9:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
it actually, to me, rides way better than it looks. I have updated mine with Ultegra/Open Pros, B17, and upjutting Salsa SUL quill. Don't think I'm imagining the ride qualities. Even sold as a touring bike, it seems lighter duty than that to me, and the geometry rides like a faster bike than the typical long wheel based, heavy tubed, touring machine. Would love to hear from someone else who owns one to find out if I am imagining things or not. On Dec 10, 5:40 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 10, 7:36 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I feel the same as you about the ultimate aesthetic. What got me thinking on this topic is my new tigged 2009 Fuji Touring. It rides as good as, if not better than, any other steel bike I have ever owned. Tigged in China. Not so pretty of paint or quality of welds. But there is absolutely something about the frameset and the ride that is blowing my mind. One of my local shops has a Fuji Touring set up in their window- it's a nice dark evergreen color. Kind of a british racing green I suppose. Beautiful bike! I'm glad to hear it rides as nice as it looks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
Have PB fenders on one bike. And wife uses them on her steel steed. Really good protection from mud and rocks. And the long mud flap seems to work better than most. Beware, though, the fenders do have the Planet BIke name etched into the plastic. Not overly visible, but there. Covered mine with reflective tape. Which itself will soon be covered by black 3M reflective tape. Many years ago Moots did a set of fenders for mountain bikes. Too short. They were the first I used that really worked. The front was held on with zip ties to the fork if I remember correctly. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 6:50�pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The potential noise doesn't bother me, but the potential accident does. However, led by your suggestions, I just found out that Planet Bike makes a set of fenders for 29er moutnain bikes that will cover up to a 2.3 tire, and these fit the prescription perfectly. I'll be ordering a set of those. Here's a review:http://twentynineinches.com/2007/02/13/planet-bike-freddy-fenders-cas... Ren� On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. And then some. �They are pretty big fenders. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. That can get annoying real fast. On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I think for offroad you'd want plastic fenders like SKS. � �They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. �I'm planning on getting a pair for my bike. � � You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. Ren�- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib�...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Just not sure the TIG welded guys are doing that much better these days. Haven't really seen Surly (or others) flying off the sales floor this year. Have nothing against them. Have owned TIG made bikes in the past and am picking up another one tomorrow. But as others have said many times, it's just not the identity of Rivendell. I can put Nitto, Baggins, shellac on other bikes, but that does not make them a Rivendell. My bigger wonder is - what if other companies started making lugged bikes again? Specialized has dipped it piggy that went wee wee wee back into the steel bike craze with the '10 Allez. And previously with the Stumpjumper reissue. What if they came out with those and the Expedition? With lugs? Actually think it would be neat. But would it work in this day and age? (Of course, Fender, not to mention Martin, make a lot of money making guitars that look like they were made back in the day. So who is to say it wouldn't work in other areas.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 7:50�pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: it actually, to me, rides way better than it looks. �I have updated mine with Ultegra/Open Pros, B17, and upjutting Salsa SUL quill. Don't think I'm imagining the ride qualities. �Even sold as a touring bike, it seems lighter duty than that to me, and the geometry rides like a faster bike than the typical long wheel based, heavy tubed, touring machine. �Would love to hear from someone else who owns one to find out if I am imagining things or not. On Dec 10, 5:40�pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 10, 7:36 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I feel the same as you about the ultimate aesthetic. �What got me thinking on this topic is my new tigged 2009 Fuji Touring. �It rides as good as, if not better than, any other steel bike I have ever owned. �Tigged in China. �Not so pretty of paint or quality of welds. But there is absolutely something about the frameset and the ride that is blowing my mind. One of my local shops has a Fuji Touring set up in their window- it's a nice dark evergreen color. � Kind of a british racing green I suppose. � � Beautiful bike! � I'm glad to hear it rides as nice as it looks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
I'll paint it black, like the song says... the PB logo, I mean... :-D I don't know if having the logos visible will bother me, but if it does I'll do something about them. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Have PB fenders on one bike. And wife uses them on her steel steed. Really good protection from mud and rocks. And the long mud flap seems to work better than most. Beware, though, the fenders do have the Planet BIke name etched into the plastic. Not overly visible, but there. Covered mine with reflective tape. Which itself will soon be covered by black 3M reflective tape. Many years ago Moots did a set of fenders for mountain bikes. Too short. They were the first I used that really worked. The front was held on with zip ties to the fork if I remember correctly. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 6:50�pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The potential noise doesn't bother me, but the potential accident does. However, led by your suggestions, I just found out that Planet Bike makes a set of fenders for 29er moutnain bikes that will cover up to a 2.3 tire, and these fit the prescription perfectly. I'll be ordering a set of those. Here's a review: http://twentynineinches.com/2007/02/13/planet-bike-freddy-fenders-cas... Ren� On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. And then some. �They are pretty big fenders. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. That can get annoying real fast. On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I think for offroad you'd want plastic fenders like SKS. � �They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. �I'm planning on getting a pair for my bike. � � You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. Ren�- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib�...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
I suspect Grant is as likely to sell TIG welded steel bikes as he is to sell lugged carbon fiber. Bill On Dec 10, 1:38 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? He could call it the Tiggua brand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS Items
Dave, How many speeds are the Dura Ace Shift levers? If they are 9 speed and you decide to separate them from the bars I will take them and the Paul Thumbies. Thanks Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:43 PM, nawr...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, Making some room, so I can get some other bike stuff... Paypal preffered or postal money order, I pay shipping to lower 48. Please reply off list. Brooks B-67 $95 Package of: Albatross Bars the wide ones Heat treated 25.4 clamp $55 Nitto 12cm Technomic Deluxe Stem $35 Paul Thumbies with Dura Ace shifter levers $55 MKS Brake Levers $25 Would like to sell all together but will consider parts. Nitto Technomic 9cm non deluxe long quill 25.4 $35 Nitto Periscopa new in package never used or inserted $35 Marks Rack new in package never used or opened $90 Sackville Saddlesack first generation very lightly used $95 Musa Butternut Pants size XL used lots of life left $25 Wheel Set: Phil Wood rear 36h 7 speed freewheel Sunrace 11-28, bought from Riv, Rich built, 500 miles Suntour XC9000 front 32h Skewers included Mavic MA3 rims, straight and true, great shape $320 pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/d_nawrocki/sets/72157622851523397/ Thanks, Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Riv/Grant are leaders, not followers. A tigged Atlantis is called an LHT. Probability of Grant copying Surly is zero. dougP On Dec 10, 5:22 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i did a search on tigged and did not find much. maybe Grant will surprise you/us and announce the Atlantis replacement will be tigged. then he will have order new tee shirts. On Dec 10, 5:05 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: This topic is raised too often. The search function applies to conceptual conversations, as well. Thanks, erik- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
I'll reveal mine too. According to my limited understanding it was designed for a long asymmetric spindle and the driveside of modern cranksets like the XD take that into account so modern symmetric BBs work. I asked the bike shop to futz with it and the granny was still too close with a really long spindle. So I'm putting an XD on with a 113 BB and all will be well. Anyone want some AT cranks? But Doug, then what excuse would I have for the Rambouillet? :) I have 1.25 Paselas on the Atlantis now just out of curiosity with some 1.75s in reserve. Ryan On Dec 10, 5:13 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I'm going to reveal my ignorance here but how do Sugino's AT cranks differ from the XD? My Atlantis came with XD triple cranks and a cartridge 115 bb. The chainline looked like the bb was too long but everything worked. When the original died, I replaced it with a 110. Chainline is perfect. The granny clears but not by much, so I have a note to self to use 113 next time. So what is about ATs that's so different from XDs? Side note on your seasonal desire for go-fast vs touring: Pop a set if light wheels with racy tires on your Atlantis. It completely changes the character of the bike. Looks funny as hell but it's a different bike. dougP On Dec 9, 9:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
We'll see! I do like catching and releasing, though if one is going to stick around with me I think this'll be it. If not you're just an email away. :) Ryan On Dec 10, 5:50 pm, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: I'll bet the Atlantis never goes up for sale. If it does let me know Ryan. I'm on my third through my own ignorance but I'd be happy to take that one off your hands if and when you decide to part ways. I won't sell the one I have now but I'd give it a sister with a different hairdo given the opportunity. Your going to like that bike. If not you know where to find me. On Dec 10, 7:13 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I'm going to reveal my ignorance here but how do Sugino's AT cranks differ from the XD? My Atlantis came with XD triple cranks and a cartridge 115 bb. The chainline looked like the bb was too long but everything worked. When the original died, I replaced it with a 110. Chainline is perfect. The granny clears but not by much, so I have a note to self to use 113 next time. So what is about ATs that's so different from XDs? Side note on your seasonal desire for go-fast vs touring: Pop a set if light wheels with racy tires on your Atlantis. It completely changes the character of the bike. Looks funny as hell but it's a different bike. dougP On Dec 9, 9:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
Ryan: The Atlantis will grow on you; it's so versatile you won't want to part with it. OK, you may want to leave it in fully touring mode and add a lightweight go-fast, that I can understand. But if you did let it go, you'd miss it. If you absolutely, positively need a dedicated go-fast to keep the Atlantis company, maybe a Rodeo? That's both ends of the spectrum in the world of sensible bikes. dougP On Dec 10, 7:44 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: We'll see! I do like catching and releasing, though if one is going to stick around with me I think this'll be it. If not you're just an email away. :) Ryan On Dec 10, 5:50 pm, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: I'll bet the Atlantis never goes up for sale. If it does let me know Ryan. I'm on my third through my own ignorance but I'd be happy to take that one off your hands if and when you decide to part ways. I won't sell the one I have now but I'd give it a sister with a different hairdo given the opportunity. Your going to like that bike. If not you know where to find me. On Dec 10, 7:13 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I'm going to reveal my ignorance here but how do Sugino's AT cranks differ from the XD? My Atlantis came with XD triple cranks and a cartridge 115 bb. The chainline looked like the bb was too long but everything worked. When the original died, I replaced it with a 110. Chainline is perfect. The granny clears but not by much, so I have a note to self to use 113 next time. So what is about ATs that's so different from XDs? Side note on your seasonal desire for go-fast vs touring: Pop a set if light wheels with racy tires on your Atlantis. It completely changes the character of the bike. Looks funny as hell but it's a different bike. dougP On Dec 9, 9:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
While I haven't tried Extremes, there's absolutely no reason not to run 2.0 Marathon XR's on or off road on a Bombadil. I've used them touring and on rugged, fast single track. I'm a pretty aggressive rider and I don't feel limited by the XR's. They roll pretty well on roads, though they are a heavy tire and slow to accelerate. They also aren't the best for fast sweeping turns on blacktop, but that's not what a Bombadil is best for either . . . I run the Planet Bike fenders when my Bombadil is set up as a tourer with Schwalbe 50mm Supremes and they fit fine. See my bike on the Bombadil pool on Flickr. The XR's also fit, but I tend not to use fenders on the bike as an MTB. Dave On Dec 10, 7:18 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'll paint it black, like the song says... the PB logo, I mean... :-D I don't know if having the logos visible will bother me, but if it does I'll do something about them. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Have PB fenders on one bike. And wife uses them on her steel steed. Really good protection from mud and rocks. And the long mud flap seems to work better than most. Beware, though, the fenders do have the Planet BIke name etched into the plastic. Not overly visible, but there. Covered mine with reflective tape. Which itself will soon be covered by black 3M reflective tape. Many years ago Moots did a set of fenders for mountain bikes. Too short. They were the first I used that really worked. The front was held on with zip ties to the fork if I remember correctly. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 6:50 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The potential noise doesn't bother me, but the potential accident does. However, led by your suggestions, I just found out that Planet Bike makes a set of fenders for 29er moutnain bikes that will cover up to a 2.3 tire, and these fit the prescription perfectly. I'll be ordering a set of those. Here's a review: http://twentynineinches.com/2007/02/13/planet-bike-freddy-fenders-cas... Ren On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. And then some. They are pretty big fenders. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. That can get annoying real fast. On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I think for offroad you'd want plastic fenders like SKS. They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. I'm planning on getting a pair for my bike. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. Ren - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...
Mountain bikes with tires?? Heresy! How are you going to get muddy/dirty? That's half the fun :) Brian On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: While I haven't tried Extremes, there's absolutely no reason not to run 2.0 Marathon XR's on or off road on a Bombadil. I've used them touring and on rugged, fast single track. I'm a pretty aggressive rider and I don't feel limited by the XR's. They roll pretty well on roads, though they are a heavy tire and slow to accelerate. They also aren't the best for fast sweeping turns on blacktop, but that's not what a Bombadil is best for either . . . I run the Planet Bike fenders when my Bombadil is set up as a tourer with Schwalbe 50mm Supremes and they fit fine. See my bike on the Bombadil pool on Flickr. The XR's also fit, but I tend not to use fenders on the bike as an MTB. Dave On Dec 10, 7:18 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'll paint it black, like the song says... the PB logo, I mean... :-D I don't know if having the logos visible will bother me, but if it does I'll do something about them. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Have PB fenders on one bike. And wife uses them on her steel steed. Really good protection from mud and rocks. And the long mud flap seems to work better than most. Beware, though, the fenders do have the Planet BIke name etched into the plastic. Not overly visible, but there. Covered mine with reflective tape. Which itself will soon be covered by black 3M reflective tape. Many years ago Moots did a set of fenders for mountain bikes. Too short. They were the first I used that really worked. The front was held on with zip ties to the fork if I remember correctly. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 6:50 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The potential noise doesn't bother me, but the potential accident does. However, led by your suggestions, I just found out that Planet Bike makes a set of fenders for 29er moutnain bikes that will cover up to a 2.3 tire, and these fit the prescription perfectly. I'll be ordering a set of those. Here's a review: http://twentynineinches.com/2007/02/13/planet-bike-freddy-fenders-cas. .. Ren On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. And then some. They are pretty big fenders. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. That can get annoying real fast. On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I think for offroad you'd want plastic fenders like SKS. They sell a size (P55 I think) that will accommodate up to 2.0 tires. I'm planning on getting a pair for my bike. You will pick up many pebbles riding dirt, and metal fenders are just going to be too loud IMHO. On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I am debating whether to install fenders on my new Bombadil, which I still haven't had time to finish assembling, but should be done by Saturday at the latest, as all I have left is to install the shifters and fine tune the brakes. I have switched the knobby tires to Specialized El Capitan Control 2Bliss, 2.2 front and 2.0 rear, which now give good clearance. This is essentially a 56mm wide front knobby tire and a 51mm wide rear tire. I'd like to install fenders, which at this point would have to be Giles Berthoud stainless steel fenders in 700x60, but am wondering if there would be negative risks if I went mountain biking with the fenders. Someone told me that a rock or something else could get stuck between tire and fender with catastrophic consequences. I'm also planning to use Marathon Extreme tires when I'm riding it in the road primarily and only need easy dirt trail capability, and just discovered there is a Marathon Supreme version in 2.0 as well. Will the 1.6 Marathon Extremes (42mm wide) look odd or behave oddly with 60mm fenders? Let me know what you think about mountain biking and going off-road with fenders. Ren - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com
[RBW] Re: Old pictures of First bike Tour.
Manny: Great story. I love the pix of loading the bikes to take stuff back to the car - pillows? dogs? Wow! You guys have learned a lot in a short time. One tour leads to another: where to next? dougP On Dec 9, 5:13 am, Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: Manny, THAT was an awsome story! Way to go! It expresses what is really important in life and I am so proud of you and, Duy and Ryan. I am all alone out here in NC but I feel inspired to do something similar. Congratulations on clearing out the head and reviving the heart! Surf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
on 12/10/09 1:38 PM, eflayer at eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. One of the things I think Rivendell does stand for is focusing on what you do well. IMO, therein lies its strength and validity. That, in and of itself, sets it apart from most companies these days. As companies in general grow and expand, they tend to dilute what it is that made them special. There are too many examples to drag out here, but LL Bean, Eddie Bauer, CC Filson have all made choices and come under pressures related to those choices. Retail/manufacturer general history is well outside the scope of this group, to be sure, but diversification often becomes its own end. Rivendell methodically rethinks what they offer, and finds ways to create bicycles which have been really missing in the scheme of things. They do that by clearly defining the borders of what they offer. Borders are not necessarily limits. Rivendell has chosen to work deeply in a specific area, not topically in several. This gets to some deeper ideas of aestethics in general, and one of the things which attracted me to Rivendell in the beginning - the idea that they have set some real limits in their design tents - lugged, steel. When GP mentioned, some many readers ago, that they might consider doing a specific model non-lugged, my reaction was really why? I'm pretty sure they asked themselves the same question, and they never pursued that thread - in fact, they strengthened their comment in word and deed to the idea of lugged steel. Grant has said repeatedly that he loves lugs - likes looking at them, designing them, building bikes around them. He's made a successful company which employs a good number of people and lets him design and build beautiful, practical, adaptable lugged steel art. What good would come from diluting that focus? - Jim -- -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
on 12/10/09 1:52 PM, eflayer at eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: think about a bike that looks as great as an orange or green Sam, that rides great, looks great, and cost 30% less. Now, I thought that the Sam was a great riding, beautiful looking lugged bicycle frame that cost 50% of a Japanese/US-made lugged bicycle. It's funny, because a few years ago, there were a number of iBob threads which were talking about how, if Riv ever brought out a bicycle frame that was under a grand, that would be increadible and everyone would buy it. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AT 0154
The (unloaded) Atlantis shakedown ride was tonight. Wow! What can I say that hasn't already been said...I was afraid it would ride heavy, what with it being a touring bike with 26 wheels. Not the case. It's very spritely. If I want it to go straight, it does. If I want it to turn--a lot or a little--it does exactly what I want with no surprises. Ryan On Dec 10, 8:33 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Ryan: The Atlantis will grow on you; it's so versatile you won't want to part with it. OK, you may want to leave it in fully touring mode and add a lightweight go-fast, that I can understand. But if you did let it go, you'd miss it. If you absolutely, positively need a dedicated go-fast to keep the Atlantis company, maybe a Rodeo? That's both ends of the spectrum in the world of sensible bikes. dougP On Dec 10, 7:44 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: We'll see! I do like catching and releasing, though if one is going to stick around with me I think this'll be it. If not you're just an email away. :) Ryan On Dec 10, 5:50 pm, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: I'll bet the Atlantis never goes up for sale. If it does let me know Ryan. I'm on my third through my own ignorance but I'd be happy to take that one off your hands if and when you decide to part ways. I won't sell the one I have now but I'd give it a sister with a different hairdo given the opportunity. Your going to like that bike. If not you know where to find me. On Dec 10, 7:13 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I'm going to reveal my ignorance here but how do Sugino's AT cranks differ from the XD? My Atlantis came with XD triple cranks and a cartridge 115 bb. The chainline looked like the bb was too long but everything worked. When the original died, I replaced it with a 110. Chainline is perfect. The granny clears but not by much, so I have a note to self to use 113 next time. So what is about ATs that's so different from XDs? Side note on your seasonal desire for go-fast vs touring: Pop a set if light wheels with racy tires on your Atlantis. It completely changes the character of the bike. Looks funny as hell but it's a different bike. dougP On Dec 9, 9:43 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Lucked into a 56 Atlantis. Yar, thar be a fine vessel, be she. http://tiny.cc/63aSB To be finished once I get a long spindle BB for the Sugino AT cranks. I can't figure out if I want to go plain beige or crazy splash bar tape. Ryan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Dear Eddie, I don't want to be the one to pour tomato ketchup all over your chocolate cake but let me quote from http://www.rivbike.com/article/bicycle_making/the_big_picture All of our frames are lugged steel. Steel, because it's the best material for frames, in terms of toughness, longevity, proportions, repairability, and safety; lugged, because it's better to create a joint with a low-stress sleeve of beautiful steel, than to merely melt steel together, or even joint it with brass fillets. You may personally prefer welded frames, or fillet-brazed frames, and that's fine. We prefer them lugged, and so that's all we make. Rivendells are lugged steel frames, there are lots of others who make tigged steel frames, do it well and do it to a price point. If you look, you will find someone making exactly what you want, how you want and at a price you can afford. You cannot say that for any other consumer durable. How long this happy state of affairs will continue in this present state of financial apocalypse, who can tell. But if there is something you want/need/desire and it's availalble now and you have the money then buy it. For it may not be available this time next year. Merry Christmas to all and thanks for all the wonderful emails that have entertained me so much this past year. George Millwood Sydney, Australia where it has almost been too hot to ride this past fortnight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
