[RBW] Re: 650b conversion question

Wow, is that raw metal? On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Eric Norris wrote: > Tektro R559s worked fine on the 650B conversion of my ’95 Road Standard: > > https://flic.kr/p/GVJBjL > > --Eric Norris > campyonly...@me.com >

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

Jay, Thanks to that article you linked to, I finally got it. Now I understand it. Still some practical questions: - Why is the typical setup Neo-Retros in the front with their lower mechanical advantage that requires so much more force to be applied? Because they're less finicky to adjust and

Re: [RBW] 650b conversion question

Tektro R559s worked fine on the 650B conversion of my ’95 Road Standard: https://flic.kr/p/GVJBjL --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com > On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > > I've used the

[RBW] Re: 650b conversion question

There are some brake pad holders that drop down an extra cm or so, if the brakes don't quite reach. Had to use them on a 700c to 650b mixte conversion on the rear where the brake is mounted in kind of an odd location. Feels like it lost some power, extending the arms that far, but they still do

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

I'll have to go and re-read everything, can't figure out how I could have understood it in reverse. No matter what, it seems the Touring are going in the front when I get home this weekend. But I still want to understand it. René On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Jay Lonner

[RBW] Re: 650b conversion question

Ahhh, makes perfect sense. Tim, not bad for eyeballing it off the tape measure. I actually never knew what the numbers meant. Thank you all for educating me! René On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Tim Gavin wrote: > If your bike currently fits 700 x 38, then the

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

My cantilever education is ongoing. I must have read Sheldon's guides a dozen times over the years, but when it comes to actually getting the brakes to work it's like being back in school where I do the reading but blank on the test. Anyway, I've had Neo-Retros on my Hunq since I got it, and

[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake question...

"Per my education, the Neo-Retro needs the cable yoke to be as high as possible" You were educated incorrectly, or made the wrong conclusion from your education. The Mechanical Advantage (MA) of wide profile cantilever brakes like the Paul Neo-Retro is mathematically pretty FLAT as a function

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b conversion question

If your bike currently fits 700 x 38, then the R559/Silver brake calipers may not offer enough reach (19mm greater) for 650b wheels. R559/Silver calipers are great for 650b conversions of frames designed for "short reach" (39-49 mm reach) brake calipers. If your bike fits 700 x 38, then it's

Re: [RBW] 650b conversion question

Most likely it will work. It worked for my bike, a late 90s Riv Custom (or Road Standard, we're not sure), went from 700x30 Grand Bois Cypres/no fenders to 650Bx38 with fenders. The limiting factor on larger 650B tires on my bike is the clearance from the chainstays, there's enough clearance at

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

I knew (and remembered) the Hunqapillar was re-designed but I don't think I knew about the Atlantis. That will be interesting! On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:38:22 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Since John brought up Toe Clip Overlap. A lot of list members know this, > but maybe

[RBW] Re: 650b conversion question

Thanks for the insight Toshi. I guess I'll give it a try at some point and see what happens. More as an experiment than a true need. I figured the BB drop based on both wheels having 38mm tires, not a skinnier one on the 700c. René On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Toshi Takeuchi

Re: [RBW] 650b conversion question

I've used the Tektro R559 for multiple 700c to 650b conversions, so they do work. The amount of brake reach that is required for the conversion will depend upon the placement of the brake bolt in relation to the wheel, which is not fixed from bike to bike, so looking at the wheels themselves will

[RBW] 650b conversion question

Hi all, Perusing the RBW website, I came upon the Tektro R559 that come on the Homer and Cheviot since the Silver brakes stopped being. I'm not sure if they're the same brake as the Silvers I got with my Homer originally, but there was a line there stating that they were good for 650b

[RBW] Cantilever brake question...

Hi all, I've had Paul Cantis on my Atlantis (and Hunqapillar) since I acquired them. Paul Centerpulls on the Homer after using the original Silver brakes, and now will have Compass brazed Centerpulls on the custom. I've also read everything I could find, including BQ's excellent volume on brakes

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Joe: I have a 50cm Cheviot and it's 650b. On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:59:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > The 51 Appaloosa and 52 Clem are 650b. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Re: WTB: 51 Atlantis

Hi Bruce, how are you? Yes I love my Saluki and still very grateful that you offered it. Yes, they sent me those pictures too. I believe they're insisting on selling it as a complete and I am not at all interested in many of the parts. Also, communication with them is a little strange. I could

[RBW] Re: WTB: 51 Atlantis

He sent me the pictures also. The serial number needs one more digit. He says he's had it 4 or 5 years, but nothing on prior history. I got mine in early '03 & sn is AT0519. My wife's has a dim past but hers is AT0488, but we know it spent a lot of its life in storage. So AT039x is likely

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

The 51 Appaloosa and 52 Clem are 650b. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Upsetting smaller ppl are being sized out of a good bike. On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:52:12 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: > > "I don't have any opinion on what happens under 53cm" > > I don't have any inside info but my bet would be that they would keep the > 26" wheels on the 51 & under.

[RBW] Re: WTB: 51 Atlantis

Either the pics posted so far are *extremely* bad, or that is not the stock color. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

"I don't have any opinion on what happens under 53cm" I don't have any inside info but my bet would be that they would keep the 26" wheels on the 51 & under. Hadn't looked at the geo charts in ages but looked just now to find out that 47 is no longer listed. My 5' 2" wife has a 47 and she's

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

I don't have any opinion on what happens under 53cm. I would pick up the phone and call them, or try Will again with Brian CC'd. Bill On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 2:52:06 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote: > > Bill I emailed Will. So is it your understanding 51 and below will still > be 26"? Or

[RBW] Re: WTB: 51 Atlantis

Kellie: (Delighted that you enjoy riding your Saluki btw) I also dropped a note to Larry Black about that Atlantis and he emailed me some better pictures. It is the correct stock paint.It appears to be AT039 and he's put a nice new saddle and some other bits on it. If you or anyone else

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Michael: this list has many Rivendells for sale. Granted, few Atlantis. Hmmm, guess that speakers to how much ppl hang on to their bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

I bought an Appaloosa and I couldn't be happier with it. It's incredible. You can wait around for a used Atlantis to come up for sale, but I have found that not many do. I watch Craigslist and the amount of Rivendells for sale (I get the email notifications) is maybe 1 every 8 months or so.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Bill I emailed Will. So is it your understanding 51 and below will still be 26"? Or they won' t producing The lower sizes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[RBW] FS: Jack Brown Blues, Mark's Rack, Hold Fast Straps

All prices include shipping to CONUS. Jack Brown - $100 < 50 miles on these Mark's - $100 Hold Fast - $25 brown waxed canvas I can't post photos now, but I'll be happy to text or email them upon request. Please let me know if you have any questions. Will -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Who did you email? Dave told me that there were 53, 56 and 59 that are all 650B. I didn't ask for a complete size run. I nudged him that so many people these days are too shy to call, that they really should get the Geo Charts up. On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-7, Kellie

[RBW] Re: Where to get a new headbages?

Jenn Green can make amazing badges from basic metal to more precious. She can do many things to enhance a badge. I used her when I wanted one for my Scissortail 650B. Her prices are reasonable for a handmade design. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Bill: I asked Rivendell this question via email yesterday regarding new Atlantis orders. I haven't heard back. All Atlantis will be 650b, or certain sizes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Not using toe clips will remove the "C" but the "Toe" and the "Overlap" may well remain. On 08/24/2016 04:29 PM, John wrote: Regarding toe-clip overlap on trail rides, choosing a Hunqapillar won't solve that problem, but choosing platform pedals will solve it for either an Atlantis or Hunq.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Kellie, I think the issue you're having is that both bikes in the title of this thread are aimed at the same spot: Touring bikes you can ride off road. Neither is intended for full-on "crash into boulders" mountain biking, and the only reason that caveat comes up is that some bonehead may

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Since John brought up Toe Clip Overlap. A lot of list members know this, but maybe they "know" and have forgotten. Some people for sure don't know this. The Atlantis and the Hunqapillar have been redesigned for 650B, and the sizing has changed too. There are no new geo charts up yet. I was

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Regarding toe-clip overlap on trail rides, choosing a Hunqapillar won't solve that problem, but choosing platform pedals will solve it for either an Atlantis or Hunq. John On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 9:57:50 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote: > > Just wondering what you guys think? I really want an

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

My original post IS NOT which bike is better or which one is a better bang for the buck. I truly believe every Rivendell is a wonderous machine and recognize there's overlap between the models. I want to know which is better for off-road riding, especially carrying some weight, like off-road

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Also If you really want to use the bike primarily for trail riding, I'm not sure the long chainstays of the Appaloosa are the best option. I have a Clem that's even longer, so my experience is base on that: I do like it and I do ride it on trails and it is undeniably comfortable on rough

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Kellie, I read through all the above responses only quickly, but one thing I don't think I saw mentioned was the issue of toe clip overlap (TCO), or likelihood of interference between your foot and the front tire during slow-speed maneuvering and tight turns. For how you describe wanting to

Re: [RBW] Things that fit, commuter edition

Rick, Thanks for posting. That's interesting, especially as I'm getting a large sackville for my AHH. I'm guessing that first picture is the Pack-It Garment Folder. Is that a medium or large? Thanks. Tim On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:31 AM, 'Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch <

Re: [RBW] Atlantis vs Appaloosa

This thread has touched a few sensitive issues in me, and you've seen I'm not too good at managing them... - Want vs. Need - Want/Need it now vs. Can/should wait - It's perfect now vs It's no longer perfect - Fiscal discipline Very interesting range of responses from everyone, there are people

[RBW] Re: Where to get a new headbages?

Cool. Thanks for the info! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email

[RBW] Re: FS: nitto, vtg trek frame, sugino, brooks, nigel smythe, thompson, more

update on what is left and price drops. all items include shipping (excluding the trek) -Nitto R-14 with tombstone. 90$ -Thompson Elite seatpost, silver 27.2 basically new- 70$ -Nygel Smythe Large Loafer. tan canvas. also almost new- 80$ -Sugino xd2 crankset. 170mm arms. cranks are used but

[RBW] Re: Where to get a new headbages?

A friend here in Baltimore recently bought a used Atlantis without a head badge. He called Rivendell to ask if he could buy one. Grant (I think, or another employee) said that he simply needed to see a picture of the bike with his name on it, like on written on a piece of tape or something is

[RBW] Re: FS: shoes, speedplay frogs, clips, saddle, seatpost, tire liners, computer stuff, cleat covers, bell.

*Pics are here:* https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/395g70 *To clarify on the shoe and cleat/pedal pics:* *Specialized Road shoes* size 44 (red stitching and black/yellow footbed)-$40 *Specialized mountain shoes* size 44 (semi-walkable, comes with stock specialized footbed and blue BGFit

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Hi Chris: yes I saw your AHH up on the list. No more Rivendells? For price comparison, how old is your AHH? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Where to get a new headbages?

If you own the bike then the only reason they wouldn't sell you one is that they don't have one to sell you. I think you have a Bleriot. I bet they don't have those. I think you have a Hillborne. I bet they do have those. I think you have a Rambouillet. I bet they don't have those.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Kellie, I've been following this thread with interest. I had to satisfy an Atlantis itch for myself, so I think I can relate. If I would waited a little longer and purchased a smaller one that fit me better, I might still have one. It sounds like there is an Atlantis calling deep down in

[RBW] Re: Where to get a new headbages?

If I own rhe bike and prove it I don't see why they would'nt sell me one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Where to get a new headbages?

Why would gou not be entitled to buy a replacement if you own the bike? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Good Morning Kellie, I am in the same boat as you. That means that I want an Atlantis but it is out of my budget. There is a butterscotch Appaloosa frameset at my LBS here in Dallas. Very tempting to get it NOW. I just read Bill Lindsay's thoughts, and it reinforced my thinking, which is

[RBW] Re: Where to get a new headbages?

1. If you call Rivendell wanting to buy a headbadge, first thing they'll do is determine whether they have them. If they have them, then they'll ask to be convinced that you actually have the bike you claim to have. If they know you and know what bike you bought from them, no problem. If

[RBW] Where to get a new headbages?

Very good questions and I look forward to learning answers to them. When I was refurbishing my Romulus, I spoke with Keven at Rivendell about replacement stickers. They were able to provide those. However, he cautioned me not to lose the headbadge as they did not have anymore, and I'd be out

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Well certainly in agreement that $2700 is pretty rich for that Atlantis. Especially if you don't like any of the offered components on it now and would change them out. I think Grant is very good at marketing his bikes as he speaks to his love of his products. I've noticed he refers to many

[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

That's a good one, nice and dry, before the rain. JohnS On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 12:47:10 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote: > > @JohnS: > I'm also here: http://IMAGinations.zenfolio.com/p379094782/e7bb99e76 > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] FS: shoes, speedplay frogs, clips, saddle, seatpost, tire liners, computer stuff, cleat covers, bell.

Hi John: Can I get a pic of the shoes? Cheers, Patrick On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Lungimsam wrote: > 1. Used size 44 Specialized road shoes, used, but with new inserts.- 35$ > 2. New in package Speedplay light action cleat covers - 8$ > 3. Used Velo cheapy black

[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

If it were me, I would dissassemble the headset and inspect not only the cups/headtube but also the fork crown/crown race. Dollars to donuts, based on your description, one or both of those surfaces isn't mating correctly. On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:02:58 PM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote: > >

[RBW] Where to get a new headbages?

If I ever lose mine? 1. Will RBW supply a new badge if needed? Even for older models? 2. If not, is there a company that can make repros? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Agreed...if you can't afford a custom, I think that functionally Grant's production bikes give up very little if anything. Whatever you go with will be a superb bike, I think. The customs are lovely however. On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 12:08:03 AM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote: > > The

Re: [RBW] My head badge is loose

3M makes a double-sided outdoor tape (black) that’s a better choice than the white stuff you typically find. My local Ace Hardware sells it. Comes in two strengths—both a super sticky and weatherproof. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com > On Aug 24,

Re: [RBW] My head badge is loose

Be careful on that headtube paint though. Once I used wd40, goof off, and other chemical things to remove sticker goo from the wife's bike and one of them seemed to take the finish off the paint. Now it is matte in the spot the sticker was. Top tube. Maybe start first rubbing with water. Then

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Components are NOT even new! He said "mechanically like new." Not even sure what that means. Glad you all commented on the color because I love the stock color! So $2700, that's like a new frame and used componentry. I think I'm gonna pass on this one. -- You received this message because you

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

there was a 51 on ebay a few months ago, sold for $1900 complete with albas and standard riv build. On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 12:25:07 AM UTC-4, drew wrote: > > The college park guy has ridiculous ideas of pricing. I've contacted him > several times and its become clear that selling the

[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One on Appaloosa

I had the 700c version, liteskin, and they measured 57mm on 25mm external width rims. With a wider rim, they'd likely measure closer to 60mm. I fit them on my Clem just fine - I ended up switching for Furious Freds as I added a front child seat and the extra height from the tires made me a

[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One on Appaloosa

BIg Ones are made for a very defined purpose - beach racing. I would not expect Schwalbe to make a narrower version, that does not fit the intent of the tire. Those of us running them on the street are like doctors prescribing drugs off-label, it may work but it's not the intended use. Bill

Re: [RBW] My head badge is loose

Rather than pry it off, saw some dental floss between the badge and headtube.That'll cut through the adhesive. Clean the whole thing up with your adhesive cleaner of choice (wd-40, simple green, ect) I'd recommend some kind of thin foam double sided tape. But yes, in a nutshell, it really

[RBW] My head badge is loose

I was cleaning up the Hilsen the other day and noticed that the head badge was loose. I saw a dark ring around the outside (glue or adhesive?) and then noticed that, although it's not hanging by a thread or about to fall off, the badge is very loosey goosey on the head tube. If I were going to

[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

John's post just reminded me that I swapped the Sele Anatomica for a Brooks Cambium. There is a big difference in rail lengths on these saddles and that would certainly change how the frame is loaded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

Steve said "Bike crash - over in an instant, much too fast to feel any emotion." I crashed last week. There was a slight rustling from the back of the bike, like a leaf or something brushing the wheel. I looked down to check it out, then when I looked up again I was heading for the kerb! I had

[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One on Appaloosa

from here: http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016 Size and Weight Measurements Size and Weight Measurements (Bike Wheel: 622-17C, Pressure: 35 psi / 2.4 bar) Measured Weight 458 grams Measured Width Carcass 57 mm Measured Width Tread 57 mm Measured Height 54

[RBW] Schwalbe Big One on Appaloosa

I often wonder about these too. And Super Moto's. As it is I am running 54 Thunderburts on my Joe. A heavily used (stretched out) one on the stock build rim measures 52.3mm and doesn't have a ton of clearance. Enough. But I am thinking Big Ones or SMs would be tight indeed. I still wonder what

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

Kellie, ask for the birthday price. Don't be afraid. You wont hurt his (Larry's) feelings with the lowball offer. Iirc he offered me this bike(or a 54 he had but looks like same pics) for my birthyear price of 1968. I asked about another bike once and he admitted he was asking for too much and